TboneToker
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grab your evo and blow through the bottom, the heat coming out of the top, how hot is your temp gauge reading for the air there? I am curious (when it's at 12 oclock)
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grab your evo and blow through the bottom, the heat coming out of the top, how hot is your temp gauge reading for the air there? I am curious (when it's at 12 oclock)
somerandomguy1
Well-Known Member
I'm getting around 500-530
CuckFumbustion
Lo and Behold! The transformative power of Vapor.
Temp controls the heat of the bamboo and that is the point where the rubber leaves the road. The amount in the ELB is the other big variable. And even that isn't a constant. If you draw. How long you leave the ELB in before and after a draw, another factor.
The air dragging over the heated bamboo seems to be the biggest thing to focus on, then the duration of heat and how much and how dense is that pack anyway? Generally a loose pack will stack on the cap when I draw and will crust and set there until I give it a stir with my pipe reamer.A heat resistant mat, bakers mat or a dab mat might be good. I have a mesh mat with a silicone place mat on top of it that has a 1'4 edge raised above it.Good at keeping things from rolling off my desk, sometimes.Try your local restaurant supply shop. I use a Spill-Stop bar service mat for my counter and some of their interlocking mesh in the bottom of the sink, you can cut it to desired size. I started a thread on this a long time ago, it was called Rubber Baby Bumpers, but the discussion went nowhere and now my pic links are dead (fuck you ImageShack). I really like the bar service mats.
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A few rubber corks and some ISO will save you from needing a sink to wash in. Empty and warm water rinse 2x. Plug each end and add ISO. Shake and agitate. Empty repeat with warm water. etc. For stubborn ones use ISO and sea salt. Works wonders. 100% ISO is worth the money.
I also own small silicone bowls and containers, if I do need to clean the outside of my other glass. ISO only.Had one rip out along the seam. I can almost crimp it to make it work. But if it doesn't, well just not worth trying. However....
Having a round screen or ELB in the adapter above the EVO, not only is good to catch those caps that won't stay on, They also catch the larger particles when you vape normally.
So I will take out any ELB that is already in the EVO and do a full screen draw. Don't even have to raise the temp. Pure convection power. The screen gets all the heat.
Thick clouds too!
[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Not boxed, But just got a #2 EVO today. 
Remember when you were trying to get me to buy one @kellya86?
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t-dub
Vapor Sloth
Ahhh yes, the old "shake and break" method. I started the PBW thread to avoid the hazards of this style of cleaning. If you like ISO and salt, more power to you, but some of us have found a better way. The Spill-Stop bar service mat is soft, flexible and can hold a lot of liquid down away from your glass.
CuckFumbustion
Lo and Behold! The transformative power of Vapor.
Better?
Not a fan of using chemicals. However admitting, I never try to let my pieces get too far gone between cleans. It affects the taste, i figure. Will check out the PBW thread tho for more extreme cleaning. I do ISO clean every week, So that keeps the build up at bay. So you might use/need less PBW cleaning sessions to get in those tight areas. How do you feel about baking soda and vinegar? How well does PBW rinse off?"shake and break"
I see what you are trying to avoid. Probably should at least go into my method further to avoid any shaking and breaking.Generally, I move the piece as little as necessary to do the job. That includes moving it to the cleaning area. Usually I just hold the HD sideways with corks and swish in a semi circle. Once I slow it down, the ISO coats the inside surface more than just splashing around. I don't violently shake or be brutish with it. Salt is the abrasive. If that doesn't work, then some patient soaking. Then I might consider it a job for PBW or not. Not far from a restaurant supply store either.
3rd method? There is a HD cleaning video put out by Vapexhale, But that involves a bath towel. skip.
The Spill-Stop bar service mat? Machine washable too? If you are going to use a bar mat, gawsh there are several choices. You can be choosy and get a heavy duty one or get one with your favorite sponsor.
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t-dub
Vapor Sloth
Unlike ISO, PBW actually puts oxygen back into the water so it is much more environmentally responsible than dumping ISO down the drain every week. It is also safer on skin than ISO as well.
One of PBW's properties is that it is free rinsing. It also has buffers to deal with hard water. PBW is better for the environment, safer on skin and easier and less expensive to use than ISO. You really should look into it. The other part of the equation is my HydroTube Flush Device. I shot this video before finding the Spill-Stop products but it gives you an idea of what some of us are doing. The glove is for thermal protection and increases grip for enhanced safety. You can tell this video is old because the Rezblock is the original green color.
CuckFumbustion
Lo and Behold! The transformative power of Vapor.
That I really didn't figure in.
Putting oxygen back in the water? So that might clue me in to how it works. Other users of PBW could explain how well it cleans, but never had any answer about health and safety concerns, much less environmental. I will delve a little deeper about the chemical makeup of it and will probably try it now, once I get to know it more. Then retool my weekly glass cleaning project. Shock proof mats, rubber gloves, PBW, and maybe a tube brush. Off to the Restaurant supply store. Need a french coffee press too. 
As far as your lab setup. Using silicone beverage hose to plug into the sockets of the water pieces. That sold me right there.
Well it's cheaper to buy by the foot, so that's another corner cut.The PBW Test #1 video shows the gunk melt off of some problem pieces for those who want to see it work it's magic.
Oh and another money sever for me, I would also save on ISO and use it only for the dry glass for reclaim.
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
Last post on this as we are off topic. PBW is basically a mix of an oxyclean like product and sodium metasilicate which is TSP substitute that is professionally bound and buffered to work well in hard water. Its primary function is to clean tap systems and brew kettles.
CuckFumbustion
Lo and Behold! The transformative power of Vapor.
Thanks I will check out the thread further. Now, to put things back on topic.
How do you clean your EVO folks? I ordered some long nylon test tube brushes that seemed to have a narrow enough diameter to fit through. If there is a more gentle method or tools, I'd like to hear it.
Cleaned the grunge off of my shield O.K. with some hand safe laundry soak and elbow grease. Just being extra careful around the stitching. If there is a more gentle method that works well with the fabric.
O.K. So I got my 2nd EVO in the mail today and out from the cold. But I didn't give it nearly enough time to warm up after it has been setting on my porch and perhaps sitting overnight in a few cold mail trucks before arriving here.
So It would turn on red and after a while flash red. No heat activity. Know from experience with other electronics that they need to get to room temp to work functional at 100%. So, I rechecked the FC thread about this and after 30+ minutes of it sitting idle. I turned it on and everything worked fine. So lesson re-learned. It does stay cold for a long time BTW. So that red indication is actually a good thing to have going. But if I didn't know beforehand, I might have thought the worse. Thanks for the forewarning FC.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
If you don't have any other vapes and can afford it, keep them both and alternate occasionally. These two complement each other wonderfully and take care of any vape need you will ever have other than not being portable.
Enialis
Well-Known Member
Hello everybody! Long time lurker (since '09) first time poster!
Got into vaping last May after a machinery accident involving the loss of my foot.
I started with an Herbalizer but was never quite satisfied with it, and the amount of herb it was going through to get me where I needed. (I blame this on balloons, and a 1oz a week habit smoking/vaping)
I wound up ordering an EVO with a HydraBomb (there was a minor issue with the order that just came up recently, and Jazelle from customer service took care of it for me like you wouldn't believe.)
Very satisfied with the EVO + Hydratube combo, I actually ordered it as a back-up vape to use the Hydratube with my Herbalizer + @Ratchett SonG adapter, but the Herbalizer has been collecting dust mostly since I got the EVO.
As a heavy user (I still vape about a 1oz a week, but I'm getting a lot more mileage out of it) the EVO scratches an itch that the Herbalizer couldn't.
My bank blocked all debit card purchases from Great Britain and China, which means no DHgate, which means no inverted EVO fun yet as my LHS's all sell DHgate clones for $100+. And the only other glass piece I haven't managed to break is my Klein Incycler, but I'm not trying to spend $30+ for a 14/18 M2M adapter from DHgate at my local headshop to test it.
Once I find that damned stack of Christmas gift cards, you will be mine FC-MOD.
Trying to find ways to get LESS medicated off of the EVO in the daytime, but I feel that I might just need to buy a log for that issue. (Is it just me, or does the EVO seem to share A LOT in common with log vapes?)
Favorite temps are between 12-1:30 solo and 3 o'clock sharp for sharing with my non-vaping girlfriend.
Anyways, I've read just about everything on this forum, so I'm ready to start interacting with people after getting over the social anxiety of it all. Gonna head over to the Herbalizer forum soon and introduce myself there and ask for a little advice, then respond to probably every relevant non-necro thread i can find. See you around!
@stickstones, I just missed your post, if you have any tips on how to use the EVO and the Herbalizer in a complimentary way that I may have missed please help! But I should probably just catch your next post over in the Herbie thread, don't want to derail this thread with my 2nd post on the site haha!
Got into vaping last May after a machinery accident involving the loss of my foot.
I started with an Herbalizer but was never quite satisfied with it, and the amount of herb it was going through to get me where I needed. (I blame this on balloons, and a 1oz a week habit smoking/vaping)
I wound up ordering an EVO with a HydraBomb (there was a minor issue with the order that just came up recently, and Jazelle from customer service took care of it for me like you wouldn't believe.)
Very satisfied with the EVO + Hydratube combo, I actually ordered it as a back-up vape to use the Hydratube with my Herbalizer + @Ratchett SonG adapter, but the Herbalizer has been collecting dust mostly since I got the EVO.
As a heavy user (I still vape about a 1oz a week, but I'm getting a lot more mileage out of it) the EVO scratches an itch that the Herbalizer couldn't.
My bank blocked all debit card purchases from Great Britain and China, which means no DHgate, which means no inverted EVO fun yet as my LHS's all sell DHgate clones for $100+. And the only other glass piece I haven't managed to break is my Klein Incycler, but I'm not trying to spend $30+ for a 14/18 M2M adapter from DHgate at my local headshop to test it.
Once I find that damned stack of Christmas gift cards, you will be mine FC-MOD.
Trying to find ways to get LESS medicated off of the EVO in the daytime, but I feel that I might just need to buy a log for that issue. (Is it just me, or does the EVO seem to share A LOT in common with log vapes?)
Favorite temps are between 12-1:30 solo and 3 o'clock sharp for sharing with my non-vaping girlfriend.
Anyways, I've read just about everything on this forum, so I'm ready to start interacting with people after getting over the social anxiety of it all. Gonna head over to the Herbalizer forum soon and introduce myself there and ask for a little advice, then respond to probably every relevant non-necro thread i can find. See you around!
@stickstones, I just missed your post, if you have any tips on how to use the EVO and the Herbalizer in a complimentary way that I may have missed please help! But I should probably just catch your next post over in the Herbie thread, don't want to derail this thread with my 2nd post on the site haha!
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CuckFumbustion
Lo and Behold! The transformative power of Vapor.
Herbie has a fan and can do bags. EVO no fan. Herbie is less tippy and has no glass internals other than the EVO (which can be used upside down.) So you can keep it where you wouldn't want to place the EVO.
Herbie is digital for controlled temps.
EVO - a simple analog dial and an imaginary clock setting. 
I own an EQ which does what the EVO is not designed to do. Both use the same adapters sizes. So I can do things like air dry my HT with the fan from the EQ.
No heat, just air.My CFX can use the ELB's so thats another form of contrast and compliment with a desktop and a portable. I like the option of being able to take a half vaped ELB out of my EVO and put it in my CFX and leave the house.
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Seek
Apprentice Daydreamer
You might want a log for that, but the EVO can vape as little as 0.05g very well and efficiently too. It looks like it shouldn't work well, but it does. It just feels like using a Thor's hammer to break open an egg, unlike logs. Logs are good for letting them run 24/7 next to you so you can easily and quickly vape a 0.05g in a minute and then continue whatever you were doing. You shouldn't 24/7 an EVO.
Well, they're both efficient narrow-bowl direct-draw vapes, but that's about it.
They have way more differences than similarities.
We shouldn't compare vapes in model threads, so if you want more about this, search the "Ask FC" for threads like these:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/e-nano-or-vapexhale-evo.19335/
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/bong-vape-lsv-or-enano-or-evo.17542/
Baron23
Well-Known Member
It has always seemed to me that the EVO was indeed a variation of the log vape but instead of the herb going into a stem it goes in an ELB and into the base unit but the concepts are very close IMO.
I LOVE my EVO. But I also love my Enano log vape and indeed the Enano will run nicely with very small loads if that's what you are looking for.
Enialis
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the info guys, seems like most EVO owners prefer the e-nano as a log, which I'm keeping in mind for the future, I'll keep anymore questions EVO related. Thanks for the welcome guys!
I didn't quite catch the original poster to quote, but unless you plan on replacing the Herbalizer with another bag vape I would keep it.
My friends are 50/50 split, they either know how to use vapes of all kinds or have only seen a Volcano. I let my less CIVILIZED lower tolerance friends that aren't daily tokers blow themselves bags and pass the EVO around the group of more CIVILIZED smokers who know their glass. vapers/smokers? My friends can't afford vapes but I've never heard them complain about using mine so conversation gets confusing.
I didn't quite catch the original poster to quote, but unless you plan on replacing the Herbalizer with another bag vape I would keep it.
My friends are 50/50 split, they either know how to use vapes of all kinds or have only seen a Volcano. I let my less CIVILIZED lower tolerance friends that aren't daily tokers blow themselves bags and pass the EVO around the group of more CIVILIZED smokers who know their glass. vapers/smokers? My friends can't afford vapes but I've never heard them complain about using mine so conversation gets confusing.
kellya86
Herb gardener...
Wow... that's 4 grams a day....
So if you load 0.1 per elb, that's 40 elbs per day...
I just don't have the time to do this.... or the tolerance....
I made some shatter from my trim yesterday, I haven't had a nail, or any concentrate for about a month....
I had a nice big blob...
Followed by a nice long sleep...
It wasnt intentional, i just layed back due to the headrush after my never ending exhale, then woke up a few hours later....
Iv never knocked myself out like this before....
Kind of a waste of a dab really....
I was still high when I woke...
Enialis
Well-Known Member
That sounds about right, once I'm medicated i'll stay there though.
I fill 6 ELB's, Hit them all once at 12. Rotate. Hit them all at 1:30 then rotate them all again and finish them off at 3.
Repeat the whole process 2 or 3 times then reload them all enough to 1 hit on 3 o'clock while I go about my day.
Start over in 2-3 hours.
My tolerance skyrocketed after coming off opiates from my accident and the other issues that came with losing most of my foot. Before the accident i was a 1/4-1/2oz a week smoker/vaper. (Switched to vaping exclusively after tripping and breaking most of my glass collection because there was a $700 herbalizer sitting on the table collecting dust.)
shaolinmilk
Well-Known Member
4 grams may seem like a lot to the casual user, but it's actually not when you're a medical user. When I want to get medicated fast, the EVO is always there! I love the EVO and cannot imagine vapor to taste any better than this. Seriously.
jackstraw62
Low temp deadhead vaporist
happens to me too. lots of use. this is why you get extras. I have one now that screen and the cap at the end are held together by a small weld.
Elb down!!!!!!!
Why did this happen???
Iv used the same one 4 times a day(ish), since September..... so only a few months......
Is this normal....
Oh well, time to break out a new one....
Seek
Apprentice Daydreamer
Most of them can be used thousands of times before they start to deteriorate. Only few weak ones that have the welds badly made from the factory will live shortly. I have used about 4 ELBs in rotation for 3 years, 3-5 ELBs per day and only like 3 have broken in these 4 years and had to be replaced.
I wouldn't recommend torching it because it degrades the metal. Maybe still safe to vape but a black ELB looks disgusting. The welds wouldn't probably get broken from that, they were made by heat in the first place, maybe it might shorten their lifespan though.
Just get a glass mason jar just tiny enough to hold all the ELBs you want to clean, pour some acetone in it, put ELBs in, close it, shake for 15 seconds, take them out, rinse and they're like new. And you can keep the acetone in the closed jar to reuse it many times.
Acetone is friendly to glass and stainless steel (but not friendly to silicone) and it cleans much faster than any other solvent I've tried.
I wouldn't recommend torching it because it degrades the metal. Maybe still safe to vape but a black ELB looks disgusting. The welds wouldn't probably get broken from that, they were made by heat in the first place, maybe it might shorten their lifespan though.
Just get a glass mason jar just tiny enough to hold all the ELBs you want to clean, pour some acetone in it, put ELBs in, close it, shake for 15 seconds, take them out, rinse and they're like new. And you can keep the acetone in the closed jar to reuse it many times.
Acetone is friendly to glass and stainless steel (but not friendly to silicone) and it cleans much faster than any other solvent I've tried.