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TeeJay1952

TeeJay1952

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@mruj
My daughter just left. She was at table and picked up stem pulled really hard a few times with minimal cloud expelled. She left and I knocked out plug and cut in half reinserted and 4 - 5 BIG clouds. Emptied and other half same result.
It is all about airflow. No matter what the vape. AIRFLOW causes meds to well vaporize. Other value is temp. We will talk about draw styles another time.;)
 
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woolspinner

woolspinner

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mruj said:
and my wife usually gets super high after 2 puffs from a joint... will UD destroy her? :D
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Speaking from the experience of a (former) light-weight who would take one hit from a bong and be pretty damned high my answer inclines to "no". In my case, which is not to say it applies to your wife, what really knocked me on my ass was all the crap in the smoke. Once I got rid of that, I could pleasantly take two hits from a vape and not get wasted, just feel good. Unfortunately/fortunately I must/can vape more than that now for the same effect. That came as a result of not monitoring my own use (tolerance) to keep it low. If you measure your dosage and monitro use, you can maintain your tolerance pretty well, I should think.
 
Madcap79

Madcap79

Jack of all trades, master of none.
A medium grind works best for me. Don't pack your stems too tight, especially the nylon ones. If you pull too hard on the first pull it will compact the herb even more and set it that way. I usually take one or two light puffs to 'set' the herb and then increase my draw speed from there. Also, the nylon stems will provide a hotter hit than the glass at the same temp setting. I use a vvps and adjust the temp down for the nylon and up for the glass. This same effect can be achieved by adding the extension cord for nylon and moving the screen up just a bit in the glass.

I'll try to post a pic of the different bowls shortly.
 
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mruj

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TeeJay1952 said:
@mruj
My daughter just left. She was at table and picked up stem pulled really hard a few times with minimal cloud expelled. She left and I knocked out plug and cut in half reinserted and 4 - 5 BIG clouds. Emptied and other half same result.
It is all about airflow. No matter what the vape. AIRFLOW causes meds to well vaporize. Other value is temp. We will talk about draw styles another time.;)
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Can we talk about draw styles before tonight? :) I reaaaalllyy want to see major clouds!! :)
now that I think of it, I think I vaped little too much last night while trying to produce vapor.. lol.. As far as I remember, it was 4-5 hits from glass stem and 3-4 hits from the nylon... that nylon is out of this world btw..
 
woolspinner

woolspinner

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mruj said:
yeah, no the underdog works for sure, no problems with that.. just trying to figure out the right way to use it..

as far as joints go, 1/8th is usually enough for 3 weeks for me and wife (although she smokes little)... so it'd be accurate to say each of my joints are around 0.2gr... they don't look so small to me to be honest.. :)

for grinding, do I grind reaaaaally well? I'll also push the screen little closer to the heater..

thanks!!
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Hmm...you may need to "reset" from combustion by taking a t-break, if possible, to rinse your system. I understand for regular users this can be very beneficial when switching from combustion to vaping.
 
darkrom

darkrom

Great Scott!
mruj said:
yeah, no the underdog works for sure, no problems with that.. just trying to figure out the right way to use it..

as far as joints go, 1/8th is usually enough for 3 weeks for me and wife (although she smokes little)... so it'd be accurate to say each of my joints are around 0.2gr... they don't look so small to me to be honest.. :)

for grinding, do I grind reaaaaally well? I'll also push the screen little closer to the heater..

thanks!!
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Ahhh I was a .5g to 1g at a time smoker before finding the ways of the vaporizer. For me I'm one of the people who ended up using drastically less.

Sometimes I grind to dust and get bigger hits. Sometimes I do a nice chunky grind and get slightly better flavor and even smoother hits. Personal preference try it all.
 
SSVUN~YAH

SSVUN~YAH

You Must Unlearn, What You Have Learned...
Madcap79 said:
A medium grind works best for me. Don't pack your stems too tight, especially the nylon ones. If you pull too hard on the first pull it will compact the herb even more and set it that way. I usually take one or two light puffs to 'set' the herb and then increase my draw speed from there. Also, the nylon stems will provide a hotter hit than the glass at the same temp setting. I use a vvps and adjust the temp down for the nylon and up for the glass. This same effect can be achieved by adding the extension cord for nylon and moving the screen up just a bit in the glass.

I'll try to post a pic of the different bowls shortly.
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Exactly my technique as well! I stumbled upon it while using my 14mm Helix attachment.
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I start out slow and when I see vapor I pull harder. While gradually spinning the GonG/stem/Helix attachment the whole time, stir and repeat!
 
Madcap79

Madcap79

Jack of all trades, master of none.
Likes2vape said:
So is that a ss tip with some silicone tube over it inserted into a glass stem? Was it something you made or was it a UD option at one point?
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You can buy the SS stem with the silicone sleeve from UD and then insert it into the direct draw glass tube.

Also @Aimless Ryan here are the bowls (stems) I possess.

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mikeben

mikeben

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Had a Dog for about three weeks now and I tamed her pretty well. Here are my tips to make her "heal".

I can make a Nylon stem last a long time. I over packed with too much of a dry herb bed for a small piece of a kief disc the other day and got almost nothing, but if you leave some room for air it's great. I can milk one load through a bubbler for about 12-15 good draws. Needs only one stir usually, and it's just easier to clean than the glass. More unique too.

Glass you get a good session too, but you have to be more careful with things like not leaving your dog on top of the stem too long if using with a bubbler. Of course the glass is slightly better flavor and, as I found out, the concentrates are easier to work with having the bigger screen. Great to mix it up with and really nice quality glass is used.

Either way, dry you get a nice quick 3-5 min session, but water roughly will double your dog time. Concentrates add a few more min, water again will roughly double it.

My suggestion, keep your screen basket about one third back in your stem. Otherwise it burns through your stuff too fast. One third back you get a really nice steady draw and your material lasts a while. The more you are able to get out of your material the higher you will fly.

You can get off on such a small amount with the Dog, that's the nice thing. I notice it helps even a daily user like me get high a few hours on really small amounts. Sometimes I do two bowls but that's my limit at one time.

If you do get the VVPS 12.2 is my default temp, because it just seems to be the sweet spot for everything. I only go higher for dabs but even then your really only need to go up to 12.8 at most.
 
mikeben

mikeben

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TeeJay1952 said:
15 draws from Nylon stem? (known as the one hitter?)
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Yeah in a Grav Labs showerhead bubbler Helix mouthpiece. Set the dog at 12.2 screen pushed about 35 percent back. 80 percent full so air can get in. Stirred once. I only buy really high grade stuff and shred it really fine in my SC Small ti.

Of course they were wispy the last three or four but it was still pulling. It does this with glass too.
 
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mruj

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I tried to do a single hit from the nylon stem last night, and I coughed probably for 5 minutes straight.. so much smoke.. lol.. I'm getting the hang of this.

I'll try pushing the screen down little bit further tonight and give the glass stem a better go

I also feel like I might need another extension cable as the UD feels really hot in my hand.. not warm, but hot, or I might just buy one of those dimmers..
 
Aimless Ryan

Aimless Ryan

Came to read about grinders; fucked combustion
I don't understand how one load = one hit.

With my Arizer Air, 0.03 or 0.04 g lasts 8 to 10 minutes at 410° (probably 20 hits, if not more). The UD seems to function/operate similar to how the Air functions/operates, but with electricity and what looks like possibly more thermal mass, surrounded by insulation.

Can someone help me understand what's going on here?
 
Melting Pot

Melting Pot

Sick & Twisted
Aimless Ryan said:
I don't understand how one load = one hit.

With my Arizer Air, 0.03 or 0.04 g lasts 8 to 10 minutes at 410° (probably 20 hits, if not more). The UD seems to function/operate similar to how the Air functions/operates, but with electricity and what looks like possibly more thermal mass, surrounded by insulation.

Can someone help me understand what's going on here?
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I dont own an air but i have a solo.
And I don't weigh my loads.
But you could probably get 5 or 6 s/s tip loads out of 1 solo stem. I'm in hospital so I can't do the test.

Hope this clears it up for you.
 
RUDE BOY

RUDE BOY

Space is the Place
@Melting Pot I Hope and pray this stay in the hospital is short and you get home to your 'Dogs sooner then later.

I don't think I can get .02 to stay put in a solo stem but pretty sure I use less than that in one of the SS tips for my UD. I too only get 3 and at max 4 hits outta one hitting it dry, With my little tiny Flex mini rig(picked up from our old friend EveryDayAmnesiac) and a NonG I only get 1 to 2 hits before it's cashed.

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