Tornado by Vestratto

[bridgesoid]

I have a question for all you avid tornado users, and I realise most people will say "don't", but what if some said did?

So...quite a ways back in time now when the Tornado was first generating discussion I remember, (perhaps incorrectly) Vestratto initially talking about swapping bowls out for back to back rips and then this seemed to be abandoned and yes their Tornado description states do not insert threaded bowls into hot evens...Buuuut... I do kind of want to be able to put more threaded bowls into the one oven in a shorter period of time.

Annnnd now spare bowls are finally available It got me thinking, I already leave my cap a little loose to prevent thread lock from quick 8 second cheap kitchen torch heat ups.. what if my bowl thread had a tiny nick of stripping notched at my preferred point of looseness? And then if it were to lock when hot initially I would just wait and unscrew with a magnet when cool and down the line when confident maybe pop in the hex tool unscrewing along nice smooth threads?

I understand this idea would be risky in terms of longevity, warranty, etc. but my curious brain wants to know how a fresh room temp bowl tastes after going in to a nice warm oven. Maybe it would only need a 4 or 5 second heat up that way, I might get even more terps like inductor users are enjoying? It could be like a sumptious pizza going in to a beautiful wood fired pizza oven . Fearless hotswapping with 2 bowls would be a lovely QOL and flexibility increase.

Now this is not the same thing by any means but an example of where a hack/hatchet job a little like this served me better than the original configuration is the Danivape V2 preorders. Like many my Dani V2 Beta would lock up, eventually locking up so bad that no freezer tricks or anything could free it up. I got it apart finally using 2 vices and a very long shifter and had to remove and reseat the heat ring. Not wanting to have it lock ever again I filed the inner of the bowl so it would catch and hold the bowl in place at the perfect height for extraction and widened the air intake grooves on the bowl for airflow.

Afterwards it functioned essentially like a Dynavap captive cap, now you could just push the cap down after loading and it locked, and pull a hot cap off anytime using a the base of silicone dab container in one motion (the container is like the one that comes with the Thermal Accumulator). I much preferred it afterwards, hot swapping and emptying bowls was quick and seamless and it is a very useful party carry now.

So with this in mind is this idea of a calculated micro binding point on a bowl thread at a desirable location simply rash, foolish and greedy? Or do others too dream of terpy b2b bowls and delicious wood fired pizza?

edit: To be clear in the tornado instance I'm not looking to bypass the threading but to make it have a feeling of gentle resistance (weak lock whilst everythings cold) at a notched point in the bowl thread, ideally only screwing the bowl on and off with no more force than can be provided by the magnets on one of those magnets on those dynavap debowler stands that have multiple magnets, perhaps with two magnets stacked on top of each other for unscrewing and single a magnet for screwing to load (in this way the magnets would hopefully serve as a kind of safety mechanism for anyone that picks up the Nado to help slow down the process of thread wear and stripping by users twisting too hard with their hands or other tools.

 

[PossumMD]

I have a question for all you avid tornado users, and I realise most people will say "don't", but what if some said did?

So...quite a ways back in time now when the Tornado was first generating discussion I remember, (perhaps incorrectly) Vestratto initially talking about swapping bowls out for back to back rips and then this seemed to be abandoned and yes their Tornado description states do not insert threaded bowls into hot evens...Buuuut... I do kind of want to be able to put more threaded bowls into the one oven in a shorter period of time.

Annnnd now spare bowls are finally available It got me thinking, I already leave my cap a little loose to prevent thread lock from quick 8 second cheap kitchen torch heat ups.. what if my bowl thread had a tiny nick of stripping notched at my preferred point of looseness? And then if it were to lock when hot initially I would just wait and unscrew with a magnet when cool and down the line when confident maybe pop in the hex tool unscrewing along nice smooth threads?

I understand this idea would be risky in terms of longevity, warranty, etc. but my curious brain wants to know how a fresh room temp bowl tastes after going in to a nice warm oven. Maybe it would only need a 4 or 5 second heat up that way, I might get even more terps like inductor users are enjoying? It could be like a sumptious pizza going in to a beautiful wood fired pizza oven . Fearless hotswapping with 2 bowls would be a lovely QOL and flexibility increase.

Now this is not the same thing by any means but an example of where a hack/hatchet job a little like this served me better than the original configuration is the Danivape V2 preorders. Like many my Dani V2 Beta would lock up, eventually locking up so bad that no freezer tricks or anything could free it up. I got it apart finally using 2 vices and a very long shifter and had to remove and reseat the heat ring. Not wanting to have it lock ever again I filed the inner of the bowl so it would catch and hold the bowl in place at the perfect height for extraction and widened the air intake grooves on the bowl for airflow.

Afterwards it functioned essentially like a Dynavap captive cap, now you could just push the cap down after loading and it locked, and pull a hot cap off anytime using a the base of silicone dab container in one motion (the container is like the one that comes with the Thermal Accumulator). I much preferred it afterwards, hot swapping and emptying bowls was quick and seamless and it is a very useful party carry now.

So with this in mind is this idea of a calculated micro binding point on a bowl thread at a desirable location simply rash, foolish and greedy? Or do others too dream of terpy b2b bowls and delicious wood fired pizza?

edit: To be clear in the tornado instance I'm not looking to bypass the threading but to make it have a feeling of gentle resistance (weak lock whilst everythings cold) at a notched point in the bowl thread, ideally only screwing the bowl on and off with no more force than can be provided by the magnets on one of those magnets on those dynavap debowler stands that have multiple magnets, perhaps with two magnets stacked on top of each other for unscrewing and single a magnet for screwing to load (in this way the magnets would hopefully serve as a kind of safety mechanism for anyone that picks up the Nado to help slow down the process of thread wear and stripping by users twisting too hard with their hands or other tools.

I do B2B bowls with it all the time and have only locked it bad enough to need a tool once. Very rarely I'll lock it where I have to wait a minute or two to undo it, but it's not the worst thing in the world given I've just had a second bowl. I haven't ever thought to modify it since it works as is for me.

 

[bridgesoid]

I do B2B bowls with it all the time and have only locked it bad enough to need a tool once. Very rarely I'll lock it where I have to wait a minute or two to undo it, but it's not the worst thing in the world given I've just had a second bowl. I haven't ever thought to modify it since it works as is for me.

Thank you so very much for replying, that is the best thing I have read in a good while Forget what I posted above, when I get off work tonight I'm going to follow your lead, no modifications necessary Muchas Gracias my friend!

 

[LongDelay]

Do you think it would suit people who like to do single hit extractions, to a dark roast? I feel like it might just not have enough cooling for that.

I vibe with TigoleBitties's experience with the scruffy woofers adapter. The TSWooden stem will probably be ok for OHE, but I don't torch anymore (too many combustions over the past 7 years) so I can't say for sure

 

[PrematureEvaporation]

I have the scruffy adapter and a long woody Dani stem with the intercooler in.

I roast to dark brown RTL every time and I use the Tornado solely native. I can’t finish the bowl in one draw due to the amount of vapour produced, but I usually get it done in 3-5 big puffs.

I’ll get a rough hit every now and then but I generally find RTL fairly tolerable through a stem. I could definitely see others not sharing that sentiment though. I’d say if you can handle the Anvil doing native RTL you’ll get on just fine with the Tornado and a stem.

I’d definitely be interested in giving the TSW stem a go, looks awesome and fairly priced. Generally speaking it’s hard to go wrong with TSWooden’s work.

 

[tasticleeze]

Hats off to those hardy billows my friends, I have tender lungs that must be encouraged and shielded from the hot, harsh world

 

[Mr_Hodag]

I'm building an induction heater that's compatible to the tornado. Since the tornado is 14mm in diameter, would a glass tube with an inner diameter of 5/8" (16mm) be big enough for the heater chamber or would thermal expansion cause issues?

 

[HoodiesAndHondas]

I have the scruffy adapter and a long woody Dani stem with the intercooler in.

I roast to dark brown RTL every time and I use the Tornado solely native. I can’t finish the bowl in one draw due to the amount of vapour produced, but I usually get it done in 3-5 big puffs.

I’ll get a rough hit every now and then but I generally find RTL fairly tolerable through a stem. I could definitely see others not sharing that sentiment though. I’d say if you can handle the Anvil doing native RTL you’ll get on just fine with the Tornado and a stem.

I’d definitely be interested in giving the TSW stem a go, looks awesome and fairly priced. Generally speaking it’s hard to go wrong with TSWooden’s work.

I still can’t decide on getting the Scruffywoofers adapter, or just buying the TSwooden stem. Maybe I should just get the TS now, and then get the Scruffy adapter later on when they’re available.

 

[GlassWindows]

And just like that, the Vestratto Tornado stems are all sold out.

 

[Mr_Hodag]

And just like that, they’re all sold out.

Fuck, where at?

 

[TedJones]

I'm building an induction heater that's compatible to the tornado. Since the tornado is 14mm in diameter, would a glass tube with an inner diameter of 5/8" (16mm) be big enough for the heater chamber or would thermal expansion cause issues?

I’d imagine that would be enough and a good fit. Just set my calipers at 5/8 and there’s some room on each side

 

[GlassWindows]

Fuck, where at?

Official Vestratto website.

 

[Mr_Hodag]

Official Vestratto website.

Dang it

 

[GlassWindows]

Dang it

Don’t fret, I emailed them asking if there would be a restock and if what they say is true, there will be a restock of the Tornado stems.

 

[PrematureEvaporation]

I still can’t decide on getting the Scruffywoofers adapter, or just buying the TSwooden stem. Maybe I should just get the TS now, and then get the Scruffy adapter later on when they’re available.

I mean outside of TSWooden’s work there’s not a huge amount of artisan stems out there with 9mm fitment. At the same time there’s lovely rosewood WPA and glass stems that might make it worth being able to swap around with an adapter? Then there’s the 8mm adapter which offers a lot more choice. I suppose it really just depends if you have your eye on a specific stem?

I feel that if I was getting my Tornado today I’d probably be more tempted by the TSW stem than getting the adapter and a stem. I prefer the simple construction of the dedicated stem, and I like that it makes it the length and width of an XL Anvil so you can use the utility case still

 

[PossumMD]

I mean outside of TSWooden’s work there’s not a huge amount of artisan stems out there with 9mm fitment.

He hasn't offered anything tornado specific yet, but I imagine scruffy will when he works through his current backlog. And if not, I see no reason why you couldn't go the custom route with him (mainly cos I kinda did. He had a spare super fancy one and knocked up a special adaptor for it). And for me at least, the price was kinda cheap when compared to the price of an official stem. Incredible service and support too. Can't recommend him enough.

Apologies if too off topic, have had a couple of beers.

 

[HoodiesAndHondas]

I mean outside of TSWooden’s work there’s not a huge amount of artisan stems out there with 9mm fitment. At the same time there’s lovely rosewood WPA and glass stems that might make it worth being able to swap around with an adapter? Then there’s the 8mm adapter which offers a lot more choice. I suppose it really just depends if you have your eye on a specific stem?

I feel that if I was getting my Tornado today I’d probably be more tempted by the TSW stem than getting the adapter and a stem. I prefer the simple construction of the dedicated stem, and I like that it makes it the length and width of an XL Anvil so you can use the utility case still

I’m going to go with the 8mm adapter, just because I already have 8mm stems and there’s just way more stem choices in that size.

Still might pick up the TSW stem. Just waiting to see if it’ll go any cheaper than $80 for 4/20 sales. If it doesn’t, I’ll still get it. Just figure I might as well wait to see if the price drops.

 

[C-weed]

And just like that, the Vestratto Tornado stems are all sold out.

Just for the record....I called it! said that on monday!

 

[GlassWindows]

Just for the record....I called it! said that on monday!

Indeed, you did. So trashy of them to open up sale early to certain people causing some of the more coveted colors to be sold out when general sale was opened.

 

[heater]

My tswooden stem arrived yesterday and I'm thankful for the timing. If I hadn't ordered this last week, I would have certainly ordered the T Stem. I like the look of this one better.

 

[coolbreeze]

My tswooden stem arrived yesterday and I'm thankful for the timing. If I hadn't ordered this last week, I would have certainly ordered the T Stem. I like the look of this one better.

Same. I do like the Anvil/Tornado stems but wood's more my aesthetic and the TSWooden ones are really beautifully designed.

 

[C-weed]

Indeed, you did. So trashy of them to open up sale early to certain people causing some of the more coveted colors to be sold out when general sale was opened.

Can I be nosey...and ask what color that you are referring to? I'm going to do a comparison video comparing the T-stem half rig Tornado stem... against an original wooden Dynavap Omni...should be interesting.

 

[freo_hazard]

What's peoples preferred packing method for the tornado? have been using the dynavaps/tempest stab and twist method and straw method when trying to get that last bit of bud in the bowl from my reload for so long that adjusting back to packing with my fingers straight from grinder is abit strange.

Have one of those cheap metal testing keyring magnets on the way from ebay for easy debowling (instead of using underside of my reload lid that just doesn't get deep enough trying to debowl into the reload) and hopefully reloading from the reload too when outdoors once I grab an adaptor for the tempest or a new stem that fits the tornado

Love the tornado it's crazy magic that it can put out that much vapour at once without irritation and with a completely even roast in the entire bowl so quickly as it does but my consumption has hugely increased coming from half bowl tempest sessions also I find it hard to load smaller amounts in the tornado without it falling out into the oven and causing combustion that I did twice yesterday.

Also destroyed 2 of my O rings on the tornado wpa during first clean that wasn't great and not including any spare o rings or CCD's kinda rubbed me wrong way lucky I had spare grey ones from my tempest kit that fit so not end of the world.

Hope we get some of those tornado tswooden stems down here at herbware, I noticed they have some anvil ones in stock I thought of grabbing but wouldn't want a wobble

 

[hotmeals]

What's peoples preferred packing method for the tornado?

I use the bowl as a scoop and scoop it right in

I find it hard to load smaller amounts in the tornado without it falling out into the oven

Try threading the Tornado upside down onto the bowl instead of inserting the bowl upside down into the Tornado

Also destroyed 2 of my O rings on the tornado wpa during first clean

Heating the Tornado up a little bit before trying to remove it helps it go smoothly if there's any reclaim buildup on the o rings

 

[HoodiesAndHondas]

What's peoples preferred packing method for the tornado? have been using the dynavaps/tempest stab and twist method and straw method when trying to get that last bit of bud in the bowl from my reload for so long that adjusting back to packing with my fingers straight from grinder is abit strange.

Have one of those cheap metal testing keyring magnets on the way from ebay for easy debowling (instead of using underside of my reload lid that just doesn't get deep enough trying to debowl into the reload) and hopefully reloading from the reload too when outdoors once I grab an adaptor for the tempest or a new stem that fits the tornado

Love the tornado it's crazy magic that it can put out that much vapour at once without irritation and with a completely even roast in the entire bowl so quickly as it does but my consumption has hugely increased coming from half bowl tempest sessions also I find it hard to load smaller amounts in the tornado without it falling out into the oven and causing combustion that I did twice yesterday.

Also destroyed 2 of my O rings on the tornado wpa during first clean that wasn't great and not including any spare o rings or CCD's kinda rubbed me wrong way lucky I had spare grey ones from my tempest kit that fit so not end of the world.

Hope we get some of those tornado tswooden stems down here at herbware, I noticed they have some anvil ones in stock I thought of grabbing but wouldn't want a wobble

I have a little metal scoop/tamp tool that I’ve been using. Works great, but it’s a little tedious, because I’m used to doing the stab-n-twist method with my Tempest and Dynavaps too.

I don’t tamp it very much. Just enough that flower doesn’t fall out when it’s upright. My current stash is really sticky, so that helps too.

I really want to get one of the Rogue Wax Works scoop/tamp tools. They’re longer than the one I have, so it should be even easier to handle.

And you’re spot on about the magic. I still don’t really get it. I use the same amount of flower that I used in my Tempest, yet the Tornado gives waaaay bigger hits and just hits me harder.