Discontinued Thermovape Cera

[shark sandwich]

With two 3.7 volt cells in parallel, each would only need to provide half of those three or four amps. With parallel batteries you'd need to use protected cells, but with three or four cells you'd probably have such low amperage demands that a much larger percent of the total power of the cells would be useable. I may build an extra long cera "butt" from burl, with a parallel battery pack and switch on the side. Mine will be used largely for LL so more battery life is always better.

 

[Pipes]

With two 3.7 volt cells in parallel, each would only need to provide half of those three or four amps. With parallel batteries you'd need to use protected cells, but with three or four cells you'd probably have such low amperage demands that a much larger percent of the total power of the cells would be useable. I may build an extra long cera "butt" from burl, with a parallel battery pack and switch on the side. Mine will be used largely for LL so more battery life is always better.

First off, welcome to FC, lots of interesting information and fun here.
Quite the enthusiastic first post I must say. IMHO, if you can comfortably get a full load done per battery then that is well designed. If seeking more loads have more batteries on hand.?
If you were to redesign for what you seem to be seeking would not a single 26650 be a simpler way?
A PA on the other hand......
Just my

 

[shark sandwich]

Thanks pipes! I don't have my cera yet but do agree, it 's wonderfully designed! That said, i am a constant tinkerer- the more i use something, the more likely it is to get "special attention"- and i anticipate using the cera a lot! I'm not familiar with other battery types- i was thinking that with multi 18650s you could still have one of them inside the body.

 

[Pipes]

I do love tinkerers. Kind of reminds me of someone. hmmmm.
Suppose making a "snap on" parallel battery pack is possible if using the side holes for the positive side. It would be hard to tie in the switch though. Also putting batteries in parallel causes other concerns.
Now practicality is another story. IMO, thinking outside the box is fun as can inspire other ideas.

 

[Sonics420]

So after using the cera all day with EO I decide to plug in the LL.. Ive already got the technique down so I want to test the battery. 6 bowls all evenly browned. 1 2250 battery lasted through my 6 bowls which was a little over an hour..the Cera never got too hot to handle below the pin holes.

I made it thru my session with the thermal condom and tip from the last page. I think the ceramic mp would burn u after 2 bowls

 

[OF]

So after using the cera all day with EO I decide to plug in the LL.. Ive already got the technique down so I want to test the battery. 6 bowls all evenly browned. 1 2250 battery lasted through my 6 bowls which was a little over an hour..the Cera never got too hot to handle below the pin holes.

This is great! This post, and the others like it from happy owners confirming the performance of Cera is very much appreciated by me. My thanks to one and all.

Hopefully those who lost faith and cancelled will reorder, IMO it's a loss to them to not be getting on board as early as they can. To those still waiting, hang in there a little longer, you won't regret it.

For sure Cera is not for everyone. No practical product could be I think, we're a pretty diverse bunch in the main (forget the outliers for the moment), but IMO it excels at what it sets out to do. After some considerable inspection and use it's hard to think of what should have been done differently (no, I don't want to start up the latching switch game again.....). A machine to be proud of.....and IMO that has value in addition to it's utility.

Pride of ownership is rare in our world, it's worth celebrating when you find it. It's super neat to own 'the best' of anything, more so if it's so useful?

OF

 

[Highnstein]

My Cera mouth piece is slightly blue from raw denim jeans. Usually it wipes off but it looks like a bit stayed. I have tried wiping it with rubbing alcohol with no help. Any tips on cleaning the ceramic?

 

[YeeeBuddy]

This is great! This post, and the others like it from happy owners confirming the performance of Cera is very much appreciated by me. My thanks to one and all.

OF

I feel like its the least we can do after all the time you spend helping us noobies. So back to Cera I am continually impressed with the LL's efficiency, I almost laughed at first when i saw the small size of the bowl, I usually take down that much in one bong load. I am getting just as medicated off 2 litttle 3/4 full cera bowls than my normal 3-4 huge bong tokes, gotta be using less than half as much flower compared to when i was combusting. Litterally if i can keep this up Cera is gonna pay for itself in under 2 months plus make me healthier, pretty much exactly what i was looking for in my first vape . I really dont see the need to own any other at this point.

I got my 4 2250's today from amazon, 26 bucks shipped for 4 almost seems too cheap LOL I'm considering buying 4 more at that price since they've been discontinued. Can i charge a 2900 and a 2250 at the same time with the TET charger?

 

[OF]

My Cera mouth piece is slightly blue from raw denim jeans. Usually it wipes off but it looks like a bit stayed. I have tried wiping it with rubbing alcohol with no help. Any tips on cleaning the ceramic?

I'd try scrubbing it with a plastic scrubber in the sink, I had good luck with that getting rid of some metal scuff marks.

Otherwise, I say torch the sucker! Nuke it until it glows. That Zirconia is a lot tougher than most anything on it.

I feel like its the least we can do after all the time you spend helping us noobies. So back to Cera I am continually impressed with the LL's efficiency,

Can i charge a 2900 and a 2250 at the same time with the TET charger?

Thanks for the kind words, but trust me it's far from the least you can do....on the other side of taking it for granted (or one's entitlement) there's the whole realm of attacks to choose from. I vastly prefer either of the other two......as I'm sure you understand.

I agree, you've made a first rate choice, kinda spoiled yourself in that way. I know what you mean about the Amazon deal, just today I got my backup spares for my backup spares I got last week. I too saw those soon to be gone little rascals at half the price I paid a little while back and figuring they have very long shelf life and it's only money..... I think I have enough for now at least.

And yes, you can charge two different types with that charger. Unlike some others, those are to completely independent channels (a real clue there is some with two slots have only one LED????).


OF

 

[JCat]

I first got over zealous with my loading and had a clog like this even when warmed up. I tried to run it as dry as possible and if possible upside down to help gravity and the air work its magic. If this isn't working, I also took the O-rings off and hit the inlet area with my torch for a short bit to try and get things melting. Next time load a bit slower, I'm still trying to get a handle on this thing too!

Just to be clear though ... the only air intake on the EO carts is through the holes the set screws are in correct? (as when the core was new, before I used it, if I blocked the 4 set screw holes while inhaling with a seal around the top of the core (core alone not plugged in to the body or mouthpiece) it would form a perfect seal ... no air intake at all apart from through the 4 set screw holes.

All that being said ... I think you're right though ... I "over-zealously" loaded

 

[OF]

Just to be clear though ... the only air intake on the EO carts is through the holes the set screws are in correct?

All that being said ... I think you're right though ... I "over-zealously" loaded

No, that's not right. The setscrews fill those holes completely. The four inlets (slight smaller in fact) are below the screws. Look carefully at the bottom of the EO cart. There's a tapered ring, actually a bevel in the body, around the threaded connector? The inlets are in that ring, partially blocked, and hard to see. The exact same holes, more exposed and easier to see, are on the LL core if you have one of those.

And don't worry about an 'enthusiastically overloaded core'. Those of us who haven't done so either have not enough stash or poetry in their souls. Or just got theirs and haven't got around to it yet. Just remember next time you're tempted to why not?

OF

 

[JCat]

No, that's not right. The setscrews fill those holes completely. The four inlets (slight smaller in fact) are below the screws. Look carefully at the bottom of the EO cart. There's a tapered ring, actually a bevel in the body, around the threaded connector? The inlets are in that ring, partially blocked, and hard to see. The exact same holes, more exposed and easier to see, are on the LL core if you have one of those.

And don't worry about an 'enthusiastically overloaded core'. Those of us who haven't done so either have not enough stash or poetry in their souls. Or just got theirs and haven't got around to it yet. Just remember next time you're tempted to why not?

OF

I guarantee that there is no air flow apart from where the set screws are. (I know the flow from the LL comes from below, but on the EO it's pushed so far in you can't see those holes at all ... I can't get a fingernail in the gap.) When I put my fingers over all 4 holes and form a vacuum with my mouth over the top of the hole and inhale there is no flow (before I loaded). If I take 1 or more finger off the set screw holes then I get "some" air flow (extremely restricted as I indicated initially).

 

[OF]

I guarantee that there is no air flow apart from where the set screws are. (I know the flow from the LL comes from below, but on the EO it's pushed so far in you can't see those holes at all ... I can't get a fingernail in the gap.) When I put my fingers over all 4 holes and form a vacuum with my mouth over the top of the hole and inhale there is no flow (before I loaded). If I take 1 or more finger off the set screw holes then I get "some" air flow (extremely restricted as I indicated initially).

Perhaps that's happening in your core when it's cold (because it's already plugged at the vents.....) but it's not how it works when it's being run.

I have two cores here, one a little fuller than the other. One behaves like you suggest, the other does not (it draws much freer since it's got no excess at the vents). I just put the 'slow' one it the Cera, warmed it up a bit and 'popped it clear' and found I could then block the four holes and draw normally (until it cooled enough to plug again). At the risk of your fingers getting burned, I suggest you try that test (test it in the state it's used in).

And you can definitely see at least part of the holes when the core is new (or very clean) and you look close enough. Early on in testing Tim and I discussed this very point. I wanted to open it up to test for easier production only to be advised that had already been investigated and optimized. The partial covering of the vents is precise and intentional.

Let me ask a rhetorical question that might set this straight? If it's not there to provide and control air input why did TV go to the expense of putting the bevel in the body? It would have been cheaper and far more sure to seal to not put in.

OF

 

[JCat]

Hi OF ... I did the test of plugging the holes BEFORE I used it for the first time ... ie. it had never received any oil and when I blocked the 4 set screws, no air flow at all (when cold as I had never plugged it in yet when I did this test).

I inspected and tested what I could on the core before I used it at all since my package was so severely damaged in shipping (one of my batteries was actually crushed to about half it's thickness in the middle)

 

[OF]

Hi OF ... I did the test of plugging the holes BEFORE I used it for the first time ... ie. it had never received any oil and when I blocked the 4 set screws, no air flow at all (when cold as I had never plugged it in yet when I did this test).

I inspected and tested what I could on the core before I used it at all since my package was so severely damaged in shipping (one of my batteries was actually crushed to about half it's thickness in the middle)

What can I say? I just ran the test I described. I have two cores that draw normally with the holes covered (one needs clearing first) and we all know the cart doesn't work right until you clear the plugged ports (or so we believe at least).

To be sure I just checked the cores again. The more full one is now much restricted but it does draw cold....my assumption is it's not completely plugged again this time? Different than before the test. The lesser filled one is quite free (for an oil cart).

Anything is possible, of course (or nearly so). Perhaps others can check theirs and let us know?

Again, any answer to my bevel question? I think it points to intent.

Thanks.

OF

 

[funkin]

I got my 4 2250's today from amazon, 26 bucks shipped for 4 almost seems too cheap LOL I'm considering buying 4 more at that price since they've been discontinued. Can i charge a 2900 and a 2250 at the same time with the TET charger?

Are these the "best" batteries people keep talking about, the ones you bought on amazon? If someone could post a link to where people are buying these, preferably on amazon, that'd be great. I know if I look on my own I'll end up buying a slightly different model.

 

[JCat]

What can I say? I just ran the test I described. I have two cores that draw normally with the holes covered (one needs clearing first) and we all know the cart doesn't work right until you clear the plugged ports (or so we believe at least).

To be sure I just checked the cores again. The more full one is now much restricted but it does draw cold....my assumption is it's not completely plugged again this time? Different than before the test. The lesser filled one is quite free (for an oil cart).

Anything is possible, of course (or nearly so). Perhaps others can check theirs and let us know?

Again, any answer to my bevel question? I think it points to intent.

Thanks.

OF

Hi OF,

Here's a pic ... I'm pretty sure the threaded connector is jammed all the way into the body of the core and no air is getting through ... here's a pic (I had suggested that this might have happened to Zeki based on my initial air flow test prior to loading):

 

[nopartofme]

Are these the "best" batteries people keep talking about, the ones you bought on amazon? If someone could post a link to where people are buying these, preferably on amazon, that'd be great. I know if I look on my own I'll end up buying a slightly different model.

Here's the link for the Amazon deal on four CGR 2250s. Haywood made a detailed post here with some more links, such as a place to buy at $9/battery if you don't want 4.

 

[Sonics420]

Are these the "best" batteries people keep talking about, the ones you bought on amazon? If someone could post a link to where people are buying these, preferably on amazon, that'd be great. I know if I look on my own I'll end up buying a slightly different model.

One of these batteries got me through 6 sessions, thats enough power for some people in 1 day..
I did a quick search through this thread - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AKQQ990/ref=pe_175190_21431760_M3T1_ST1_dp_1

I'll be ordering my 4 also.. I kind of feel like I dont need it but its a really good deal as they were saying.
ordered - is there a link to get the extra tenergy chargers we have?

 

[JCat]

I've been thinking about it ... there are quite a few scratch marks on my EO cart ... the plastic case was broken on the bottom ... the envelope was ripped open ... there's a good sized scratch/gouge near a set screw ...

What does everyone think? Is it possible that they took the core apart in Customs? ... That would explain there being no air flow at all before I had even tried it as they probably would have pushed the threaded piece all the way back in before tightening the set screws back up which would result in the current state of the intake holes all being completely sealed ... that would also explain the gouge around the one set screw and the fact that it looks pretty beaten up in general ...

 

[JoeKickass]

Glad the kinks seem to be getting ironed out!

Personally I'm holding out for a full size eo core powered by an imr 14500 (hopefully the Cera Mini?)

 

[Musicslv]

One of these batteries got me through 6 sessions, thats enough power for some people in 1 day..
I did a quick search through this thread - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AKQQ990/ref=pe_175190_21431760_M3T1_ST1_dp_1

I'll be ordering my 4 also.. I kind of feel like I dont need it but its a really good deal as they were saying.
ordered - is there a link to get the extra tenergy chargers we have?

Why are a lot of people buying up batteries? I ordered two when I ordered my Cera, figured that would last me quite a long while... is there somthing I dont know?

 

[Tweek]

That particular battery is being discontinued.

 

[Pipes]

Why are a lot of people buying up batteries? I ordered two when I ordered my Cera, figured that would last me quite a long while... is there somthing I dont know?

People are buying this particular battery because it has been discontinued and suits our application very well.

EDIT: Tweek is just too fast. Must have gotten his meds today.

 

[Rocco]

By Jones I go it! She arrived at my doorstep this morning and I swear my doorbell couldnt have sounded more heavenly as I awoke to its ringing and jumped up and looted my patio!
Got her out of the box got some camera shots that I will post with a review tonight or tomorrow after Im done going through some recording sessions with some of my fellow "School of Rock" classmates and local artists from the good OK state....

I got the Stainless Steel Loose Leaf and Essential Oil core, on batter and charger + mouthpiece cover and o-rings,etc..)
Cera is my main girl for sure! My goodness I was so impressed, all my small doubts about Cera were just gone as soon as I got the experience of hitting it. The battery that came with my order had a decent charge on it so I tested to see if it would glow in the dark ( it did ) and then proceeded to let her preheat before I loaded a medium size bowl in the LL, imediately upon inhale I was blowing out vapor that could was very satisfactory in taste and density, plues the bowl went a long ways considering the small size. So i finished that lad took the LL cart off and proceeded to put the EO core on, put about .4 in and went to town after a 10-15 seconnd warmup. Now I'm thoroughly medicated and ready for breakfast before I tackle this day. Like I said Ill post more later, until then cheers everybody!