Discontinued Thermovape Cera

[JCat]

LOL! This site makes me laugh

You're acting like an ass ... (and I'm risking getting a warning or banned to say this) ... why don't you at least try to follow the rules and when you fail to do so, own up to your mistake and don't continue in the same vain (ie. when I get a warning for this ... either publicly or personally), I won't respond in the public forum ... if anything I'll apologize and explain my actions in a personal message to the moderator reprimanding me ... the moderators on this site are doing there best to balance moderation with freedom of speech ... the forum becomes useless if everyone posts anything with no regard to the value contributed--even this post, although I'm out of line, serves a purpose in my estimation as maybe it will communicate the message that the moderators are not moderating to be difficult but rather to keep the forum relevant and of value to everyone (not just us regulars ...)

Anyways ... just my 2cents.

Sorry momofthegoons .... should have probably kept my mouth shut but sometimes my sense of entitlement and aggravation gets the best of me

 

[OF]

First off, I have years and years of Lithium battery experience. I used to wire up my own 10cell RC helicopter batteries. Figuring out what one cell to order based on manufacturer recomended specs and offered batteries for sale isn't hard... I ordered the batteries based on specs that were giving to us on their site!There is no cautions anywhere on their site in regards to what I bought. I bought High quality japanese made cells with protection circuits wired in.... Just like what Thermovape recommends and sells for their Cera! I want to hear what you are saying from the horses mouth. Not some dude that shoves foil in their Cera. If we are suppose to use unprotected Lipo batteries why have they always said otherwise? Durka dur





Now please tell me how I rushed out and ordered the wrong ones again...
Looks to me that Thermovape rushed out a product without thorough
battery testing if what you say is true OF.

OK, I got it.

Your experience with battery packs is not germane in a single sell application like this is it? A single cell doesn't face the abuse from the stronger cells in the pack, right?

I disagree, it's not an easy decision to make wisely, especially with only part of the information to work on. Even with all the information TV didn't find it so. There are lots of "Japanese made cells with protection circuits wired in" available that are basically useless to us, basing a selection on that factor alone is clearly problematic.

We're not looking for OK batteries but the best for the job, right? Performance over other factors?

They have, from the start, said they only recommend the batteries they recommend, obviously they're looking for performance, not construction. Well, obvious to me. AFAIK they have never sold anyone a protected battery by that feature. In fact, the only two batteries they've ever sent to anyone are different chemesties but neither has protection.

You may not have bought the "wrong ones", just sub par. I have an opinion on how that might have happened, but happen it did. By actual testing, the TV recommended battery performs better or they'd likely recommend the ones you bought. They too have search engines and are sure to have considered them (for all I know I got one of them in the color coded Beta batteries, they're mostly protected). I don't think TV did anything like you suggest, they have an ongoing quest for the best possible battery for the job. I'm part of that test, I'm now on my sixth type for them I believe. I think most would not want to wait until the best possible battery ever is found, that's likely to be a never ending process. They should go with what works best, and look for better IMO. And I believe I'm not alone in that.

Finally, a personal request. I don't accuse you of lying just because I disagree with what you say, please extend that courtesy to me? TIA

OF

 

[2clicker]

As for anyone coming off not being nice it's OF with his response to myself and others. I can't imagine Thermovape appreciates his tone with their customers.

maybe you misunderstood OFs response...? seemed to me he was trying to be helpful. im quite sure TV is totally fine with how OF replies to other end users in this thread. how much of this thread have you read? OF is easily the greatest resource in this thread. dont expect a lot of love from others here when your taking shots at arguably the most respected member of this forum.

ohhh noooo... fuck you guys
I'll deal with Thermovape direct. You fools can choke on my dick

serially man? i think dealing with TV direct should have been your first course of action considering that is where you got all of your info about cells for the Cera. there has been plenty of talk of it in this thread that if read likely would have prevented you from purchasing the cells you did. either way the cells you bought will still work, just not as well as the one that TV specifically recommends for the Cera. i just dont see how TV is at fault for your purchase.

good luck getting it all sorted out.

 

[johnnyvapor]

You fools can choke on my dick

no we'll choke on our ceras but thank you anyway

 

[OF]

no we'll choke on our ceras but thank you anyway

Boy, do I hear that one! I finally got my Ti core yesterday, I even got to watch it built and tested (how cool is that?). Amazing, even on top of the SS version. Nealy half the weight (25 grams against 42), very pretty to look at and it seems to me it heats a bit faster and cools much faster than the SS one does.

So, after admiring it for a while I put half a gram of the same CO2 oil I'm using in the SS one (to make comparative testing possible down the road) and did a couple of brief 'melt in' heats to settle it. The first hit (maybe 20 seconds into the heating) was very rich and full and growing stronger.....I was using my little bubbler so I was watching the vapor coming off the Cera carefully. The second hit (still with power on) got thicker and thicker until the sucker tried to kill me! Seriously, a was watching that 1/4 tube get denser and denser and suddenly I was in deep trouble. Not since I gave up blazing have I had such a coughing fit. Even a couple of accidental brushes with combustion while 'over vaping' I've had don't compare. It lasted 20 minutes or more, easily. Every time I thought it was over, a minute or two later......

I don't 'do dabs' but it's anything like that I'm not likely to start any time soon.

That was almost 12 hours ago. It's still in the box where I carefully set it down. I haven't touched it or any other vape since then....slowly working up my courage perhaps? It's about lunch time, maybe after lunch I'll give it another chance.....a bit more carefully this time.

No question about it, I gave Cera too much leash and she laid me low! Choking doesn't really describe it. Some machine as the faithful are finding out....finally. Yesterday I saw another dozen or so in process (should ship yet this week you'd think). With the process improvements they're making the time to make each unit is continuing to come down. As they're picking up speed the backorder list is finally shrinking faster than it's growing.

OF

 

[Belgianvapor]

Boy, do I hear that one! I finally got my Ti core yesterday, I even got to watch it built and tested (how cool is that?). Amazing, even on top of the SS version. Nealy half the weight (25 grams against 42), very pretty to look at and it seems to me it heats a bit faster and cools much faster than the SS one does.

So, after admiring it for a while I put half a gram of the same CO2 oil I'm using in the SS one (to make comparative testing possible down the road) and did a couple of brief 'melt in' heats to settle it. The first hit (maybe 20 seconds into the heating) was very rich and full and growing stronger.....I was using my little bubbler so I was watching the vapor coming off the Cera carefully. The second hit (still with power on) got thicker and thicker until the sucker tried to kill me! Seriously, a was watching that 1/4 tube get denser and denser and suddenly I was in deep trouble. Not since I gave up blazing have I had such a coughing fit. Even a couple of accidental brushes with combustion while 'over vaping' I'v ehad don't compare. It lasted 20 minutes or more, easily. Every time I thought it was over, a minute or two later......

I don't 'do dabs' but it's anything like that I'm not likely to start any time soon.

That was almost 12 hours ago. It's still in the box where I carefully set it down. I haven't touched it or any other vape since then....slowly working up my courage perhaps? It's about lunch time, maybe after lunch I'll give it another chance.....a bit more carefully this time.

No question about it, I gave Cera too much leash and she laid me low! Choking doesn't really describe it. Some machine as the faithful are finding out....finally. Yesterday I saw another dozen or so in process (should ship yet this week you'd think). With the process improvements they're making the time to make each unit is continuing to come down. As they're picking up speed the backorder list is finally shrinking faster than it's growing.

OF

The faster cooling down time with the Ti core, does it also apply to a LL Ti core?
Because my cera stays warm (not hot) for a long time, so now when I pause or stop I take the
mouthpiece off so it can cool faster.

for all the people who have a problem with it being a momentary switch now, I must say,
that problem is solved in exactly ten seconds, you'll need 7 of them to search for a small piece of tin foil, the other 3 are needed to insert it in the back of the cera.
screw the switch back on, and voila, it stays on, it doesn't show on the outside that there is tin foil in it and it shuts off by unscrewing the cap a bit.

Just one more thing for all the cloud people here, I don't know if it's me but I get a lot of vapor after the
first inhale I take and it gets more and more after that. This is my first Tet product I have ever owned or used.

One thing I must admid is that I have to work some more to get my abv to become evenly brown
because now I have some really green parts and really dark parts.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

any more word on adapters? really would like an EO Core, but don't really need another battery holder. do the new batts fit in the old handle, i've seen some 18350s that do and some that don't.

 

[Trever]

That is also the route i'm most excited for Bob. I do alllllot of backpacking and dropping that beautiful peice of ceramic on a rock would be HORRIBLE.

 

[leetmode]

Boy, do I hear that one! I finally got my Ti core yesterday, I even got to watch it built and tested (how cool is that?). Amazing, even on top of the SS version. Nealy half the weight (25 grams against 42), very pretty to look at and it seems to me it heats a bit faster and cools much faster than the SS one does.

So, after admiring it for a while I put half a gram of the same CO2 oil I'm using in the SS one (to make comparative testing possible down the road) and did a couple of brief 'melt in' heats to settle it. The first hit (maybe 20 seconds into the heating) was very rich and full and growing stronger.....I was using my little bubbler so I was watching the vapor coming off the Cera carefully. The second hit (still with power on) got thicker and thicker until the sucker tried to kill me! Seriously, a was watching that 1/4 tube get denser and denser and suddenly I was in deep trouble. Not since I gave up blazing have I had such a coughing fit. Even a couple of accidental brushes with combustion while 'over vaping' I've had don't compare. It lasted 20 minutes or more, easily. Every time I thought it was over, a minute or two later......

I don't 'do dabs' but it's anything like that I'm not likely to start any time soon.

That was almost 12 hours ago. It's still in the box where I carefully set it down. I haven't touched it or any other vape since then....slowly working up my courage perhaps? It's about lunch time, maybe after lunch I'll give it another chance.....a bit more carefully this time.

No question about it, I gave Cera too much leash and she laid me low! Choking doesn't really describe it. Some machine as the faithful are finding out....finally. Yesterday I saw another dozen or so in process (should ship yet this week you'd think). With the process improvements they're making the time to make each unit is continuing to come down. As they're picking up speed the backorder list is finally shrinking faster than it's growing.

OF

This is torture, I wan't my Ti Cera now!!

 

[Tweek]

Stainless steel or Ti, this thing is a beast with oils...wow. That is all I will say right now

 

[Bob Loblaw]

That is also the route i'm most excited for Bob. I do alllllot of backpacking and dropping that beautiful peice of ceramic on a rock would be HORRIBLE.

lol, that isn't my concern personally as the videos noah posted has me convinced of it's durability, however i have plenty of 18350 battery devices that are, let us say, less light reflective? less noticable, more stealth? already have them? as well as plenty of 3-4v devices. buying a cart for it is very attractive. and more for my needs, i totally expect them to fulfill current orders first, but even a pre-order for an adapter would be fine with me, as long as it's guaranteed as well.

Stainless steel or Ti, this thing is a beast with oils...wow. That is all I will say right now

<------ unabashadley jealous

 

[Trever]

lol, that isn't my concern personally as the videos noah posted has me convinced of it's durability, however i have plenty of 18350 battery devices that are, let us say, less light reflective? less noticable, more stealth? already have them? as well as plenty of 3-4v devices. buying a cart for it is very attractive. and more for my needs, i totally expect them to fulfill current orders first, but even a pre-order for an adapter would be fine with me, as long as it's guaranteed as well.





<------ unabashadley jealous

My main concern is everything he broke was lesser than ceramic. Porcelain and glass?? Im afraid of it falling on like what tim said "concrete" or "rocks" and pop goes the cera ;(
Specially from a few feet

 

[Tweek]

My main concern is everything he broke was lesser than ceramic. Porcelain and glass?? Im afraid of it falling on like what tim said "concrete" or "rocks" and pop goes the cera ;(
Specially from a few feet

Most vapes are at a risk of breaking should you drop them on concrete or rocks.

 

[2clicker]

Most vapes are at a risk of breaking should you drop them on concrete or rocks.

T1 would survive...

i've seen some 18350s that do and some that don't.

really? ive got 2 T1 handle battery sleeves and on one of them the 17670 fits pretty tight. not sure you could get any 18mm cells in that one. the other however has a bit of play between the cell and sleeve and may just fit an 18650... damn if i could get my T1 handle to run an 18650 id be really stoked!

 

[Pipes]

T1 would survive...


damn if i could get my T1 handle to run an 18650 id be really stoked!

ThermoVape T1 handle mod

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Most vapes are at a risk of breaking should you drop them on concrete or rocks.

not either the persei, which i've personally driven over, or am guessing, the original TV 6v version.
if the cera really is that susceptible, like from a few feet, that is glass like, not really portable strong, imo. i've had inside out glass pipes that have survived multiple drops to hardened concrete. would love to see a durability/ break point test. anyone volunteer? lol

T1 would survive...
really? ive got 2 T1 handle battery sleeves and on one of them the 17670 fits pretty tight. not sure you could get any 18mm cells in that one. the other however has a bit of play between the cell and sleeve and may just fit an 18650... damn if i could get my T1 handle to run an 18650 id be really stoked!

sorry too many dabs, i meant 18650. which is what cera uses. my bad

ThermoVape T1 handle mod

niiiice, ur the man as always, pipes

 

[OF]

any more word on adapters? really would like an EO Core, but don't really need another battery holder. do the new batts fit in the old handle, i've seen some 18350s that do and some that don't.

Adapters are still on the list, just a ways down. Yesterday they took a look at my latest version (it's easy enough to do, it just takes time and resources.....a scheduling issue only IMO).

None of the 18650s I have fit my TV stuff, but the new batteries fit in all the 18650 based vapes I've tried them in (half a dozen or more). If that was the question?

Stainless steel or Ti, this thing is a beast with oils...wow. That is all I will say right now

Take it from the man who knows first hand! If anything Tweek is understating the nature of the beast, it can sneak up on you 'on little cat feet' and before you know it, it's too late......

Somebody should make them put a warning label on this sucker. Or training wheels, or something. At least a seatbelt?

Most vapes are at a risk of breaking should you drop them on concrete or rocks.

True enough, but breaking most of the vapes I own (only one, please) would just be a real problem until I got to the next one. I'd be able to get the replacement, should I decide to, at my leisure. However, just knowing your Cera met an untimely demise on some lonely mountain top in a remote corner of the world would be a heavy burden indeed to carry through life..... Better that than dropping it into some backwater like some of our more adventurous Members have pioneered I guess?

OF

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Adapters are still on the list, just a ways down. Yesterday they took a look at my latest version (it's easy enough to do, it just takes time and resources.....a scheduling issue only IMO).

None of the 18650s I have fit my TV stuff, but the new batteries fit in all the 18650 based vapes I've tried them in (half a dozen or more). If that was the question?

True enough, but breaking most of the vapes I own (only one, please) would just be a real problem until I got to the next one. I'd be able to get the replacement, should I decide to, at my leisure. However, just knowing your Cera met an untimely demise on some lonely mountain top in a remote corner of the world would be a heavy burden indeed to carry through life..... Better that than dropping it into some backwater like some of our more adventurous Members have pioneered I guess?

OF

thanks OF, yea Globbs was also lookin' to make his own adapters, might have to hit him up again.
glad to hear the batts fit (not really the question, but thanks anyway )

agreed on the sadness of broken vape and backwater. as someone who lost an ultra and dart already this season, losing stuff in the wilds is enough of an issue w/out worrying about it breaking

 

[OF]

thanks OF, yea Globbs was also lookin' to make his own adapters, might have to hit him up again.
glad to hear the batts fit (not really the question, but thanks anyway )

agreed on the sadness of broken vape and backwater. as someone who lost an ultra and dart already this season, losing stuff in the wilds is enough of an issue w/out worrying about it breaking

Just to keep in mind, an adapter only gets you part way there. You really need something to screw it onto. None of the VV heads I have is up to it. Persei will do it at 3.7 Volts but the losses in Persei causes lower performance. Iris (D9's VV head) is up to it (if you start with 7.4 Volts of battery) in theory but not practice. The electronics is up to the load (most likely) but the software locks it out even with the highest resistance custom core Tim could make me, 1.2 Ohms. Since some of D9's own products won't word with Iris for the same reason it's sure to get fixed on later versions, giving us a useful option.

Otherwise the Ultra and T1 supplies from TV really scream with either the reduced power custom or full tilt factory power oil carts. Even when the battery drops well under 3.3 Volts it's still mighty impressive. You'll like it.

I also know about the fear of loss, I bought a spare DART to stash away for just that reason. I've got no doubt TV will be willing and able to rebuild mine, and I have two Revolutions to fall back on, but..... For $40 I sleep better. I wonder how long before the collector value goes up?

OF

 

[2clicker]

ThermoVape T1 handle mod

you know i thought about doing that as well a while back, but didnt want to be unsafe.

sorry too many dabs, i meant 18650. which is what cera uses. my bad

haha. no sweat, but either way we are talking about the OD of the cell... both of which are 18mm. so if an 18350 would fit diameter wise in the T1 cell sleeve then the 18650 should as well. length is another question, but considering that 17670s fit length wise then it should be a go.

going to rethink the info in Pipe's post... suppose it shouldnt be too dangerous right...?

 

[Trever]

thanks OF, yea Globbs was also lookin' to make his own adapters, might have to hit him up again.
glad to hear the batts fit (not really the question, but thanks anyway )

agreed on the sadness of broken vape and backwater. as someone who lost an ultra and dart already this season, losing stuff in the wilds is enough of an issue w/out worrying about it breaking

If someone makes a solid adapter im in 100% my t1 has proven many times being its sturdyness. Dropped in the fire... Fallen off cliffs down in southern utah almost an hour retrieval time lol... falls out of my car almost twice a week... Yeah im in love <3 so sturdy of a design it actually kind of surprised me when they first announced that it would be a fully ceramic body, freaking awesome just not so practical for my daily usage.

 

[SameOldTim]

Hey guys!

Just another update, we are still putting together Cera's! Hopefully we aren't going to come across any more hurdles as production starts speeding up!

About the batteries. The Two batteries we are using are both the unprotected 18650 NMC's, The 2250 is discontinued from Panasonic and being replaced by the 2900Mah -PD.

The reason for such a specific battery is just as OF has said, performance! While there are some other batteries that will work and fire the cores, we want the most optimal performance as possible from all Cera's which is why we are shipping with the Unprotected NMC's. They give us a very high Amperage rating while still being a safe chemistry, the one thing you should keep tabs of is how dead your battery is. I like to use my core as my battery gauge, if it takes more than 6 seconds to start glowing then the battery might be low and its time to charge. (these times will change with temperature and humidity)

The thread adapters are something on the board, we just arent quite ready to start production on them.

Now to start putting together some switches!!! WOOT!

Cheers,
Tim

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

No Cera porn this time around, Tim?




Just kidding, puffing along with my Ultra/LR AVA. I've said it a thousand times by now, but the taste is unreal... Mt. Baker Vapor has some awesome stuff in stock. Well worth the price I paid for the atty.

Speaking of... is it possible to give me a ballpark timeframe as to when the adapters are going to start production? I know you're up to your eyes in work, but I'm extra curious about them, as the Ultra + LR CEO is the most financially feasible upgrade right now (short of getting a LR Evo that is). Soon as the adapter's out, I'm sold for it and the EO to slap on the little guy. Don't be too specific, if it's sometime in April, it's sometime in April.

Thanks, hope all goes smoothly and more people get their hands on Ceras!

 

[hektik8625]

Boy, do I hear that one! I finally got my Ti core yesterday, I even got to watch it built and tested (how cool is that?). Amazing, even on top of the SS version. Nealy half the weight (25 grams against 42), very pretty to look at and it seems to me it heats a bit faster and cools much faster than the SS one does.

So, after admiring it for a while I put half a gram of the same CO2 oil I'm using in the SS one (to make comparative testing possible down the road) and did a couple of brief 'melt in' heats to settle it. The first hit (maybe 20 seconds into the heating) was very rich and full and growing stronger.....I was using my little bubbler so I was watching the vapor coming off the Cera carefully. The second hit (still with power on) got thicker and thicker until the sucker tried to kill me! Seriously, a was watching that 1/4 tube get denser and denser and suddenly I was in deep trouble. Not since I gave up blazing have I had such a coughing fit. Even a couple of accidental brushes with combustion while 'over vaping' I've had don't compare. It lasted 20 minutes or more, easily. Every time I thought it was over, a minute or two later......

I don't 'do dabs' but it's anything like that I'm not likely to start any time soon.

Etc.......

OF

now that's the review I've been waiting for! So stoked! Exactly what I'm lookin for.... Can't wait even more now to get my ti cera eo..

 

[iamn3ko]

I emailed TET asking a question but never got an answer, just to clarify I'm simple terms please. I don't understand all the -PD, etc stuff...

The original 2500 18650 protected ones WILL NOT WORK? Or the new unprotected ones are just the recommended ones now and ones they are selling?