Discontinued Thermovape Cera

Mr Mellish

Mr Mellish

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masaki said:
The persei + hercules is actually pretty simple once you get concept. Or you can caveman style and get a torch :)
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This is true. There is a bit of an intimidation factor but once you get past that, it's pretty simple and amazing.
 
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notoriousLrg

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Quetzalcoatl

Quetzalcoatl

DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
notoriousLrg said:
Anyone have experience with Pure Essentials canneatable oil ? It comes out of its syringe semi-solid, but I vaped it in a vial in my Solo, and its tasty and has good medicinal effect for me even at the lower temp. It would be nice to try in the cera eo, but I'm babying my Cera until it shuts down. so I'm trying to avoid anything that is suspect.

http://www.harborsidehealthcenter.com/shop/concentrates/solvent/peo-headband-is-peo-headband-is.html
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Is that CO2 oil? That stuff is excellent in the TV oil products.
 
OF

OF

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notoriousLrg said:
Anyone have experience with Pure Essentials canneatable oil ?

http://www.harborsidehealthcenter.com/shop/concentrates/solvent/peo-headband-is-peo-headband-is.html
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I have not tried that particular extract, but the "solvent" part gives me some concern. All the bad fouling I've experienced in Cera, Revolution/DART, Omicron and so on has been from solvent refined concentrates. Not all are problematic, of course.

By contrast, CO2 oils seem to be very clean. I've run a dozen or more through one of my EO cores without cleaning once. I've bought some at Harborside, Sparc in the city is a good source, as is Elemental in SJ.

My advice is to look for CO2 concentrates if you want to prolong the life of the cart, at the very least do a very careful (and demanding) foil test before bunging it in if it's solvent based.

Quetzalcoatl said:
Is that CO2 oil? That stuff is excellent in the TV oil products.
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Unfortunately, no it's not (look at the link). I agree CO2 extracts are the call. This may be fine, but it's not CO2 it seems.

OF
 
notoriousLrg

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OF said:
I have not tried that particular extract, but the "solvent" part gives me some concern. All the bad fouling I've experienced in Cera, Revolution/DART, Omicron and so on has been from solvent refined concentrates. Not all are problematic, of course.
OF
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Delivery dispatch lady told me it was C02, but it hard was to turn away when it showed up at my doorstep
:nod: without any clear definition on the label. I have been unable to find any information on this product on the internet - the label is vague "completely pure, unadulterated extraction of the cannablis plant", which makes it suspicious.

Thanks for the feedback :tup:. I have other uses for it.
 
Quetzalcoatl

Quetzalcoatl

DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
OF said:
I have not tried that particular extract, but the "solvent" part gives me some concern. All the bad fouling I've experienced in Cera, Revolution/DART, Omicron and so on has been from solvent refined concentrates. Not all are problematic, of course.

By contrast, CO2 oils seem to be very clean. I've run a dozen or more through one of my EO cores without cleaning once. I've bought some at Harborside, Sparc in the city is a good source, as is Elemental in SJ.

My advice is to look for CO2 concentrates if you want to prolong the life of the cart, at the very least do a very careful (and demanding) foil test before bunging it in if it's solvent based.



Unfortunately, no it's not (look at the link). I agree CO2 extracts are the call. This may be fine, but it's not CO2 it seems.

OF
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The tiny tiny text on the package picture (click it to make it bigger) says no butane or solvents which makes me believe it's CO2. It has that orange CO2 oil look at the end of the syringe, and it even comes in a syringe. Regular hash oil is gonna be way too thick to dispense out of that without being seriously cut with something like EJMix or propylene glycol. I don't recognize the brand either but it has some of the markers for being CO2. I guess CO2 isn't considered a solvent?
 
hoptimum

hoptimum

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OF said:
I have not tried that particular extract, but the "solvent" part gives me some concern. All the bad fouling I've experienced in Cera, Revolution/DART, Omicron and so on has been from solvent refined concentrates. Not all are problematic, of course.

By contrast, CO2 oils seem to be very clean. I've run a dozen or more through one of my EO cores without cleaning once. I've bought some at Harborside, Sparc in the city is a good source, as is Elemental in SJ.

My advice is to look for CO2 concentrates if you want to prolong the life of the cart, at the very least do a very careful (and demanding) foil test before bunging it in if it's solvent based.



Unfortunately, no it's not (look at the link). I agree CO2 extracts are the call. This may be fine, but it's not CO2 it seems.

OF
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To prolong the life of my Cera, it will see only CO2 oil from now on. I've been getting it from Sparc in those syringes.
 
scottfree

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I just found out tet is closed and my cera broke, does anyone know how to rebuild the core ?
 
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OF

OF

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scottfree said:
I just found out tet is closed and my cera broke, does anyone know how to rebuild the core ?
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Yes, but without the special materials (ceramic parts and heater wire) and tooling to wind the heater itself it's not a realistic idea I'm afraid? And even with the proper materials and a TV guy coaching you you should expect to goof up the first several you try........I sure did. Not as fiddly as making a Revolution/DART core, but still daunting.

OF
 
darkrom

darkrom

Great Scott!
I'm still bitter about this. The more I look back things surely felt different when Tim left. The T1 TET was really a whole different company than the CERA TET. I'm not saying cera didn't make great improvements over the T1, but as a company I didn't feel like I was just "reaching out to the guys" when I would contact them for a rebuild or something, if that makes any sense.
 
SameOldTim

SameOldTim

Previously Known as 'ThermoCoreTim'
Manufacturer
darkrom said:
I'm still bitter about this. The more I look back things surely felt different when Tim left. The T1 TET was really a whole different company than the CERA TET. I'm not saying cera didn't make great improvements over the T1, but as a company I didn't feel like I was just "reaching out to the guys" when I would contact them for a rebuild or something, if that makes any sense.
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It sure did feel different back then.... But lots of things changed after a few of us left. The owners at that time just didn't know how to run a business with pride and ethics and let it fall on its face. Luna clearly needed a few more months of R&D before release, and there are some things about Cera that should have been addressed in a v2.

I just hope the employees get all their pay at some point. :huh:

It could have been a great thing...
 
aj0125

aj0125

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For years I thought Thermovape was the one vaporizer company I could count on and have recommended their products to dozens of people. I now feel bad about making those recommendations and like darkrom feel a little bitter about how all of this went down. I just wish there would have been more warning and ability for everyone to get their stuff fixed before it went under. It was fun while it lasted, hopefully my Cera lasts a long time before crapping out...
 
OF

OF

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SameOldTim said:
It could have been a great thing...
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Not to quibble with an Hombre, but IMO it WAS a great thing. Sadly, it could have been better. And longer lived.

And in retrospect, perhaps it would have worked better if the original stuff was 'sold off', we'll never know.

Such downturns are reality. I don't think we should be upset at a personal level, or regret giving honest recommendations at the appropriate times. Rather, I'm grateful I was there, and more so that I have working gear to enjoy in the future (in exchange for not using it all the time like before......). No doubt about it, TV gear is special.

I'm very glad that Volcano isn't the only option, and excited about what the next vape might be.

OF
 
OF

OF

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masaki said:
Does the LL cart need to be rebuilt?
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Not unless you loose the heater, a rare failure. While there were several failures early on, after the heater winding fixture was added (basically identical elements after that) failures in LL all but disappeared as I was told. EO carts still 'wear out', but mostly because fouling was allowed to build up too much (of course with some concentrates that's more likely than others).

I'd say LL carts are many times more reliable than switches and straps? Tim, you agree?

OF
 
PB88123

PB88123

Vaporist
Dang just saw what happened.

I remember way back when someone saying how they don't need to sell many to stay in business but I guess it didn't work out.

Then another employee who was on here like 24/7 showing off the Cera and taking hit after hit then getting a divorce.

I stopped following once the Cera came out and all the issues.

Rough too with the little notice.
 
C-weed

C-weed

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I stopped following once I realized that there would never be a practical power button that was reachable without contortion of two hands.
 
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OF

OF

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C-weed said:
I stopped following once I realized that there would never be a practical power button that was reachable without contortion of two hands.
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You mean like the one on Luna, problematic as it is for some?

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C-weed

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OF said:
You mean like the one on Luna, problematic as it is for some?

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too bad the luna didn't come out sooner.....a larger following might have provided them with the capitol needed to facilitate non contorsionist needs....like mine.
 
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C-weed said:
too bad the luna didn't come out sooner.....a larger following might have provided them with the capitol needed to facilitate non contorsionist needs....like mine.
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Excellent point. Ironically some might also say too bad they didn't hold off and do some more testing so they could have uncovered and solved the switch and fit issues before they got into so many customer's hands. The 'back and forth' was not a situation that could last. The cost of warranty returns can easily be fatal to small companies as those who work around them for any time can attest.

Funny how that works out, I think. I guess it's as they say 'timing is everything'?

Thanks for the post and thought. I too wish it had been different/better.

OF
 
hoptimum

hoptimum

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OF said:
Excellent point. Ironically some might also say too bad they didn't hold off and do some more testing so they could have uncovered and solved the switch and fit issues before they got into so many customer's hands. The 'back and forth' was not a situation that could last. The cost of warranty returns can easily be fatal to small companies as those who work around them for any time can attest.

Funny how that works out, I think. I guess it's as they say 'timing is everything'?

Thanks for the post and thought. I too wish it had been different/better.

OF
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Personally, I think they gave up on the Thermovape Revolution too early. As good as the Cera is, the revolution remains one of my favorites
 
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