Yep, its the adjustable one. Im using it on a d020-d from dhgate.
Discontinued The Venus Apollo
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I just cut a block of wood down and used a dremel to sand out the inside. I like the magnet idea to get it to stick to the herb chamber. Im gonna see if i can figure out a way to make that work.
cool thanks! do u find that having that door increases time of vapor production?
IAmKrazy2
Darth Vapor
@villekille2
The more i see impressions and pictures the more I want one. Great work. Your forum responses to customers and potential customers is top notch. Not easy while balancing manufacturing. Keep up the stellar work.
The more i see impressions and pictures the more I want one. Great work. Your forum responses to customers and potential customers is top notch. Not easy while balancing manufacturing. Keep up the stellar work.
Mister G
Deceptively Old Fart
It is obvious how much @villekille2 cares about his product, his well thought out answers on this forum are what I wish all vape makers were capable of.
So if I order one of these 2nd round pre-orders, it will ship on Tuesday 3/15?
I was going to wait but why further delay the inevitable? I am very happy with my current vapes, so I should not purchase this. But I also feel companies such as this should be supported. VAS can drive you crazy, can't it?
So if I order one of these 2nd round pre-orders, it will ship on Tuesday 3/15?
I was going to wait but why further delay the inevitable? I am very happy with my current vapes, so I should not purchase this. But I also feel companies such as this should be supported. VAS can drive you crazy, can't it?
I also have the bottom intake covered so combined with the door there is quite a bit of resistance now but still not uncomfortable. With a slow draw i came damn close to combusting. It definitely extracts much faster now with much shorter sessions and bigger clouds
lazylathe
Almost there...
@IAmKrazy2
@Mister G
I feel your pain bro's!!!!
All I need now are some good milk shot videos to push me over the edge and order one!
I love the progression of this vape and the answers and support from the manufacturer! Others could take a note or two from @villekille2 !!
Does anyone know if one of these vapes has landed up in Canada yet??
May have to be the first! Lol!!
@GTAVaper
The website mentions:
BATTERY INFO.
recommended and tested types include:
Efest 3100mAh 18650 Li-Mn batteries button top
Keeppower 3200mAh IMR NH1832 Button top "high drain"
Sony VTC5 18650 2700mAh button top
@Mister G
I feel your pain bro's!!!!
All I need now are some good milk shot videos to push me over the edge and order one!
I love the progression of this vape and the answers and support from the manufacturer! Others could take a note or two from @villekille2 !!
Does anyone know if one of these vapes has landed up in Canada yet??
May have to be the first! Lol!!
@GTAVaper
The website mentions:
BATTERY INFO.
recommended and tested types include:
Efest 3100mAh 18650 Li-Mn batteries button top
Keeppower 3200mAh IMR NH1832 Button top "high drain"
Sony VTC5 18650 2700mAh button top
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Yes on button tops, my flat tops do not work.
Edit. Sunday morning porn pics, Here is the Apollo with a 4" long 18mm male straight stem.
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GTAVaper
Well-Known Member
@lazylathe,
I have one ordered from very early in the second pre-order but have also asked Ville to hold onto my order for a little since he also had previously mentioned that the Helios release will also be coming soon and I may also want to purchase one of those and have them both shipped at the same time.
So if you order yours and the Helios doesn't come in early April like I am hoping......then you may very well have the first Apollo on Canadian soil - that is if someone else has not yet received one. But if the Helios impresses me the way that I'm hoping for ......then I may very well have the first Helios in Canada.
@Joel W. ,
I saw the batteries listed on the site but didn't know if this list also excluded flattops.....thanks for confirming.
I was looking at other battery alternatives and it seems that most high drain batteries are flat top. However, I believe that I've found some suitable high capacity, 10A CD button top batteries available from FastTech that would work well and also have a very safe chemistry. The Panasonic/Sanyo NCR18650GA (3450mAh, 10A)
See Review at http://budgetlightforum.com/node/42074
I was also wondering if that 18mm stem in your photo would sleeve inside the original stem with the male joint facing upwards and the gasket in place between the 18mm (I think stem part is 15mm) glass stem and the original glass. If that worked then you would have both an extendable mouth piece as well as the male joint to insert into a glass bubbler
I have one ordered from very early in the second pre-order but have also asked Ville to hold onto my order for a little since he also had previously mentioned that the Helios release will also be coming soon and I may also want to purchase one of those and have them both shipped at the same time.
So if you order yours and the Helios doesn't come in early April like I am hoping......then you may very well have the first Apollo on Canadian soil - that is if someone else has not yet received one. But if the Helios impresses me the way that I'm hoping for ......then I may very well have the first Helios in Canada.
@Joel W. ,
I saw the batteries listed on the site but didn't know if this list also excluded flattops.....thanks for confirming.
I was looking at other battery alternatives and it seems that most high drain batteries are flat top. However, I believe that I've found some suitable high capacity, 10A CD button top batteries available from FastTech that would work well and also have a very safe chemistry. The Panasonic/Sanyo NCR18650GA (3450mAh, 10A)
See Review at http://budgetlightforum.com/node/42074
I was also wondering if that 18mm stem in your photo would sleeve inside the original stem with the male joint facing upwards and the gasket in place between the 18mm (I think stem part is 15mm) glass stem and the original glass. If that worked then you would have both an extendable mouth piece as well as the male joint to insert into a glass bubbler
The 4" male stem does indeed slip inside the stock stem. It would need a gasket to seal well, yes.
I have not tried too hard to attach the Apollo to a bubbler yet. I am having to much fun with it right now as is.
I am about to tig weld my herb chamber to my threaded non stock rose v2 piece, for a tight seal. I am hooked on this configuration.
It really reminds me of an LSV with say 30% less power overall which only means a little longer warm up time but it's just as hot, once warmed up.
Edit: the welded herb chamber/ stem adapter installed.
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lazylathe
Almost there...
Is there any info on the Helios?
Tried to find a thread but was unsuccessful.
Only found it mentioned in this thread a few times.
The Helios sounds similar to the Herbalizer? Halogen desktop unit?
Just waiting to hear back from ville before ordering the Apollo.
A portable halogen vape would be amazing!
GTAVaper
Well-Known Member
If you are looking for a portable halogen vape version of the Helios then you can check out the Venus vaporizer. It's the one with the glass dome on Ville's site.
The Helios is supposed to be an upgraded Venus, from what I understand, but not including the internal LiPo batteries and intended for use primarily as a plug-in table top halogen vaporizer.
However, with a DC input you could attach your own battery pack if you wanted to take it camping or use it outdoors.
I haven't seen any mention of the Helios outside of these threads. From reading past postings, I believe that it is intended to launch very shortly as well......but so far no pics or information on what the upgraded design would consist of.
I am hoping for RGB led lighting of vapours with different lighting effects as well as perhaps a differently shaped glass vapour collection chamber.
I was watching the vacuum cleaner testing of the Apollo again and was struck by the thought that the glass vase used in that test has a nice hourglass shape that would probably look nice as a vapour collection bowl - either in that size or a bit smaller if that size is too big for the unit.
Having a slightly taller glass bowl with multi-coloured LED's would be amazing from a visual perspective when using such a device in a dark room......and maybe serve a double use as a room multi-coloured "nightlight" that also lets you see where you've left the vape so you don't stumble into it in the dark
The Helios is supposed to be an upgraded Venus, from what I understand, but not including the internal LiPo batteries and intended for use primarily as a plug-in table top halogen vaporizer.
However, with a DC input you could attach your own battery pack if you wanted to take it camping or use it outdoors.
I haven't seen any mention of the Helios outside of these threads. From reading past postings, I believe that it is intended to launch very shortly as well......but so far no pics or information on what the upgraded design would consist of.
I am hoping for RGB led lighting of vapours with different lighting effects as well as perhaps a differently shaped glass vapour collection chamber.
I was watching the vacuum cleaner testing of the Apollo again and was struck by the thought that the glass vase used in that test has a nice hourglass shape that would probably look nice as a vapour collection bowl - either in that size or a bit smaller if that size is too big for the unit.
Having a slightly taller glass bowl with multi-coloured LED's would be amazing from a visual perspective when using such a device in a dark room......and maybe serve a double use as a room multi-coloured "nightlight" that also lets you see where you've left the vape so you don't stumble into it in the dark
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vapen00b
Many vapes & accessories. Always happy to help
The 4" male stem does indeed slip inside the stock stem. It would need a gasket to seal well, yes.
I have not tried too hard to attach the Apollo to a bubbler yet. I am having to much fun with it right now as is.
I am about to tig weld my herb chamber to my threaded non stock rose v2 piece, for a tight seal. I am hooked on this configuration.
It really reminds me of an LSV with say 30% less power overall which only means a little longer warm up time but it's just as hot, once warmed up.
Edit: the welded herb chamber/ stem adapter installed.
Nice mods, pal! I'd love to see some videos while on duty
If you had a chance to feature them in motion pictures, that d be greatly appreciated!
Having a slightly taller glass bowl with multi-coloured LED's would be amazing from a visual perspective when using such a device in a dark room......and maybe serve a double use as a room multi-coloured "nightlight" that also lets you see where you've left the vape so you don't stumble into it in the dark
I really like your ideas about the "ambilight" - I'm sure @villekille2 would like that!
tennstrong
Well-Known Member
To preface: I haven't been on the site in a number of months since glassblowing and I just wanted to see how vaporizers had progressed and really like the 18650 method on this one. (combined with the halogen bulb 
) Sorry if this comes off as rude: some of the battery suggestions are not particularly safe or well trusted batteries: namely the efest and "keeppower" batteries. These batteries are rewraps from sony/lg/samsung and often are not same from batch to batch and can raise dangers. I'd rather not see any malfunctioning from the batteries when there shouldn't be on such a nice, high end device.
Here are some safe 18650 button top batteries currently:
LG HG2 3000mAh
Sony VTC5 2600mAh
LG HE (2 or 4) [version] 2500mAh
Samsung 25R (2 or 5) [version] 2500mAh
I'd highly recommend the 25rs, lightningvapes and illumn are commonly trusted battery sellers : http://www.lightningvapes.com/products/samsung-inr-18650-25r-battery?variant=934440937
) Sorry if this comes off as rude: some of the battery suggestions are not particularly safe or well trusted batteries: namely the efest and "keeppower" batteries. These batteries are rewraps from sony/lg/samsung and often are not same from batch to batch and can raise dangers. I'd rather not see any malfunctioning from the batteries when there shouldn't be on such a nice, high end device.Here are some safe 18650 button top batteries currently:
LG HG2 3000mAh
Sony VTC5 2600mAh
LG HE (2 or 4) [version] 2500mAh
Samsung 25R (2 or 5) [version] 2500mAh
I'd highly recommend the 25rs, lightningvapes and illumn are commonly trusted battery sellers : http://www.lightningvapes.com/products/samsung-inr-18650-25r-battery?variant=934440937
GTAVaper
Well-Known Member
I am planning on trying the Panasonic NCR18650GA unprotected button top batteries that have up to 10A continuous current draw.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/42074
This link also has a comparison to other decent potential batteries that are compared to the NCR18650GA batteries. The NCR battery chemistry is also a very safe Li chemistry to use.
I am guessing that the power for the Apollo is regulated and that with the 2 - 18650's powering it that the current draw wouldn't exceed 10A like it would in an e-cig mod.
Also, the 3500 mAh would give an extra long life for vaping. Also, I have used eFest batteries in the past without any issue and don't care if it is a re-wrap since it is a re-wrap of a pretty decent battery......probably already matched with a slightly lesser bin than the originals.
I disagree completely that any of the recommended batteries are going to be dangerous......and one of the recommended batteries is actually one of the most respected high drain batteries currently on the market, i.e., the Sony VTC5 18650.
The KeepPower are also re-wrapped Panasonics and have been tested here by a highly respected reviewer .......and found to be a good choice.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?388203-Test-Review-of-Keeppower-IMR18650-3200mAh-(Black)-2014
The e-Fest also seem to keep up with the re-wrapped KeepPower Panasonics
You can compare battery performance at this site:
http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Common18650comparator.php
These are all good batteries......but the more relevant question that would assist in people choosing their own aftermarket batteries would be:
So I am guessing that any 10A rated continuous discharge button top batteries are going to be just fine.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/42074
This link also has a comparison to other decent potential batteries that are compared to the NCR18650GA batteries. The NCR battery chemistry is also a very safe Li chemistry to use.
I am guessing that the power for the Apollo is regulated and that with the 2 - 18650's powering it that the current draw wouldn't exceed 10A like it would in an e-cig mod.
Also, the 3500 mAh would give an extra long life for vaping. Also, I have used eFest batteries in the past without any issue and don't care if it is a re-wrap since it is a re-wrap of a pretty decent battery......probably already matched with a slightly lesser bin than the originals.
I disagree completely that any of the recommended batteries are going to be dangerous......and one of the recommended batteries is actually one of the most respected high drain batteries currently on the market, i.e., the Sony VTC5 18650.
The KeepPower are also re-wrapped Panasonics and have been tested here by a highly respected reviewer .......and found to be a good choice.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?388203-Test-Review-of-Keeppower-IMR18650-3200mAh-(Black)-2014
The e-Fest also seem to keep up with the re-wrapped KeepPower Panasonics
You can compare battery performance at this site:
http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Common18650comparator.php
These are all good batteries......but the more relevant question that would assist in people choosing their own aftermarket batteries would be:
- What is the constant current draw for the Apollo when using the 2nd generation 20W bulb? (at 6v near end of battery discharge, 3v per batt - probably only 4A)
- .....and with the hotter 35W bulb (hopefully a high surface area 2nd gen bulb will become available), also near end of discharge (~6v total) then perhaps only 6A or 7A max.
So I am guessing that any 10A rated continuous discharge button top batteries are going to be just fine.
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Nice mods, pal! I'd love to see some videos while on duty
If you had a chance to feature them in motion pictures, that d be greatly appreciated!
I uploaded a quick video with my UFO (biggest glass I have). It took me a few tries to keep it short and sweet and by this time my lungs were done. I could not hold a hit in for shit. My lungs are like a weak little baby's lungs, but old and abused..
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Y3Es6Ugep0HubnCl1wl1JsY6bmVuF-YQNg/view?usp=sharing
tennstrong
Well-Known Member
I agree it probably does not use nearly what e-cigarette mods are demanding currently, yet e-fest batteries are not consistent in their labeled amp draw/mAh and often require looking for specific batches of particular color wrapped batteries to acquire a set that has what they claim.
Sorry I didn't mention Panasonic- they are also a good battery maker and one of the actual manufacturers.
I specifically mentioned that I recommend the VTC5 actually, just not the other two. The test you linked dates back to 2014, batches of batteries rewrapped change constantly for the most part. (and yes, there are sub-10a rated cells rewrapped; I'm not sure how much battery protection is built into this vaporizer but if you are using a 8a sony rewrap you may well be approaching limitations on any device). 10a cells may be rewrapped with 8a and such commonly used for laptops. I'd be exctremely surprised if they are still rewrapping the same battery from nearly 2 years ago. (first of all due to manufacturing progression, production batteries have had iterations and improvements; which are unknown to the end user when using or buying rewraps due to their volatile nature of changing cells, the batteries could be extremely old/clearance or they could be newly rewrapped but it remains unknown without constant up to date testing on rewrapping companies)
For up to date battery testing I highly recommend Mooch315 (a professional battery tester): https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/mooch.256958/ ; clearly stating "The non-Samsung/Sony/LG/Panasonic/Sanyo batteries can change what is used under the wrap at any time." I wouldn't buy rewrapped batteries (ever preferably) but especially if they are not currently and regularly tested by a professional to ensure they are a safe battery for your personal use.
Agreed that the discharge rate would be helpful in choosing a safe battery for use, yet by buying original (or batch-tested/proven rewrapped) batteries and avoiding unnecessary complications you don't quite need the full spectrum of information.
Edit in response to my recommended batteries above- all are available in button top form, I only included button top approved batteries. The LG HG2s in specific are out of stock on my trusted sites, but may be available from other trustworthy sites.( http://www.illumn.com/18650-lg-18650hg2-3000mah-high-discharge-button-top.html ) For another example of my listed batteries above in button top, here is the LG HE4 button top https://www.imrbatteries.com/lg-he4-18650-2500mah-20a-button-top-battery/
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GTAVaper
Well-Known Member
Originals are going to be the best of course. The KeepPowers are likely going to be completely alright as well.
The battery reviewer that I linked to is a very well known reviewer and I trust his testing.
The e-Fest has underwent a couple of changes and although they used to be LG's, it is not known what they are right now (at least to me).
But if the test is out there then you could likely find out what re-wrap they are by using the comparator tool and matching the re-wrap with an original and looking for an identical discharge curve. But that is kind of a lot of work.
But the thing with the e-Fest is also that they are LiMn - which is a very safe battery chemistry as well that will only vent in the case of failure rather than catching on fire.
But people can make their own choices with respect to batteries. I will probably just use the e-Fests in some flashlights that aren't high drain instruments and use the 3500 mAh Panosonic NCR 18650GA's that I previously referenced because of the extra capacity. I also highly doubt that even with a 50 watt bulb that the 10A rated continuous drain for these batteries would be an issue.
It is my opinion that none of the recommended batteries should not cause any problems and there are no real safety concerns over these specific batteries......especially since the current draw for the Apollo would like not even come near the batteries rated continuous current draw.
Now if you were talking about Trustfire batteries.....that would be another story completely and there would be an issue there.
Edit: Just looked at your link and your battery guy does have good recommendations for original batteries. The LG HG2 is also a good option but I think that when I looked for them from my regular source .....all I could find were flat top. If they are available in button top they would also be great batteries.
2nd Edit:
Just playing around with the comparator and discharge curves and compared the LG HE4 with the Sanyo/Panasonic 3350mAh NCR18650BL. For a current draw of 5A, the LG only outperforms for the first 370mAh of life and then the S/P performs much better and has a longer life after that initial surge.
http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Common18650comparator.php
? estimate max required A at lowest voltage point that you'd want to discharge batteries to (~3.0v x2cells is 6v) to power relevant bulb.....very ballpark
Likewise, at 7A the S/P takes over a performance lead from the LG at the 500mAh usage point. At 10A and above is where the LG's will perform much better over an increasing percentage of its lifespan........from the discharge curve overlays generated by linked comparator
At 15W the Sanyo/Panasonic's are pretty useless.
Kind of interesting data......if the current draw is 7A
or less, the Sanyo NCR gives much better performance than the LG HE4 over its discharge life.
Oooops, kind of forgot that I was in the Venus Apollo vaporizer thread.....
.....thought I was on a different forum there for a second
......and now, back to the Apollo
The battery reviewer that I linked to is a very well known reviewer and I trust his testing.
The e-Fest has underwent a couple of changes and although they used to be LG's, it is not known what they are right now (at least to me).
But if the test is out there then you could likely find out what re-wrap they are by using the comparator tool and matching the re-wrap with an original and looking for an identical discharge curve. But that is kind of a lot of work.
But the thing with the e-Fest is also that they are LiMn - which is a very safe battery chemistry as well that will only vent in the case of failure rather than catching on fire.
But people can make their own choices with respect to batteries. I will probably just use the e-Fests in some flashlights that aren't high drain instruments and use the 3500 mAh Panosonic NCR 18650GA's that I previously referenced because of the extra capacity. I also highly doubt that even with a 50 watt bulb that the 10A rated continuous drain for these batteries would be an issue.
It is my opinion that none of the recommended batteries should not cause any problems and there are no real safety concerns over these specific batteries......especially since the current draw for the Apollo would like not even come near the batteries rated continuous current draw.
Now if you were talking about Trustfire batteries.....that would be another story completely and there would be an issue there.
Edit: Just looked at your link and your battery guy does have good recommendations for original batteries. The LG HG2 is also a good option but I think that when I looked for them from my regular source .....all I could find were flat top. If they are available in button top they would also be great batteries.
2nd Edit:
Just playing around with the comparator and discharge curves and compared the LG HE4 with the Sanyo/Panasonic 3350mAh NCR18650BL. For a current draw of 5A, the LG only outperforms for the first 370mAh of life and then the S/P performs much better and has a longer life after that initial surge.
http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Common18650comparator.php
? estimate max required A at lowest voltage point that you'd want to discharge batteries to (~3.0v x2cells is 6v) to power relevant bulb.....very ballpark
Likewise, at 7A the S/P takes over a performance lead from the LG at the 500mAh usage point. At 10A and above is where the LG's will perform much better over an increasing percentage of its lifespan........from the discharge curve overlays generated by linked comparator
At 15W the Sanyo/Panasonic's are pretty useless.
Kind of interesting data......if the current draw is 7A
or less, the Sanyo NCR gives much better performance than the LG HE4 over its discharge life.Oooops, kind of forgot that I was in the Venus Apollo vaporizer thread.....
.....thought I was on a different forum there for a second
......and now, back to the Apollo
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tennstrong
Well-Known Member
Cool findings, wish I could like this comment twice! (especially about feeling like you're on another forum xD) Makes it even more interesting to know the amp draw, though with a halogen bulb I agree that it most likely does not reach a full 7a depending on the efficiency. (just a note on your results, you meant 7a when you said 7w just for end reader clarification; quick edit: I might be wrong here after rereading you could mean either). Half of me wants to keep going on about the % difference in battery strain that you mentioned, but this is an apollo thread and not a batteries-for-the-apollo thread.Originals are going to be the best of course. The KeepPowers are likely going to be completely alright as well.
The battery reviewer that I linked to is a very well known reviewer and I trust his testing.
The e-Fest has underwent a couple of changes and although they used to be LG's, it is not known what they are right now (at least to me).
But if the test is out there then you could likely find out what re-wrap they are by using the comparator tool and matching the re-wrap with an original and looking for an identical discharge curve. But that is kind of a lot of work.
But the thing with the e-Fest is also that they are LiMn - which is a very safe battery chemistry as well that will only vent in the case of failure rather than catching on fire.
But people can make their own choices with respect to batteries. I will probably just use the e-Fests in some flashlights that aren't high drain instruments and use the 3500 mAh Panosonic NCR 18650GA's that I previously referenced because of the extra capacity. I also highly doubt that even with a 50 watt bulb that the 10A rated continuous drain for these batteries would be an issue.
It is my opinion that none of the recommended batteries should not cause any problems and there are no real safety concerns over these specific batteries......especially since the current draw for the Apollo would like not even come near the batteries rated continuous current draw.
Now if you were talking about Trustfire batteries.....that would be another story completely and there would be an issue there.
Edit: Just looked at your link and your battery guy does have good recommendations for original batteries. The LG HG2 is also a good option but I think that when I looked for them from my regular source .....all I could find were flat top. If they are available in button top they would also be great batteries.
2nd Edit:
Just playing around with the comparator and discharge curves and compared the LG HE4 with the Sanyo/Panasonic 3350mAh NCR18650BL. For a current draw of 5A, the LG only outperforms for the first 370mAh of life and then the S/P performs much better and has a longer life after that initial surge.
Likewise, at 7A the S/P takes over a performance lead from the LG at the 500mAh usage point. At 10A and above is where the LG's will perform much better over an increasing percentage of its lifespan.
At 15W the Sanyo/Panasonic's are pretty useless.
Kind of interesting data......if the current draw is 7W or less, the Sanyo NCR gives much better performance than the LG HE4 over its discharge life.
Oooops, kind of forgot that I was in the Venus Apollo vaporizer thread.....
.....thought I was on a different forum there for a second
......and now, back to the Apollo
Nevermind this edit above post is correct(ed XD): ugh gotta say it- how are you estimating your wattage output when the amp draw and internal resistances are unknown? are you also estimating voltage draw? [estimating vdraw would explain partially the discharge curve etc that you came up with for a 5/7a load]
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vapen00b
Many vapes & accessories. Always happy to help
Thanks a lot man. Wow, that bowl fills up quickly.. And that swirling vapor even after the draw..
If you had the chance to film the mod and how you attach it, I'd like to see that. And it won't harm your lungs
Really curious to see that in detail - seems to work fantastically.
There is not to much to it other than finding and adding that threaded female fitting over the herb chamber for the 18mm male stem to seat very close to the heater screen.
PPN
Volute of Vapor
Definitly thicker vapor than the Venus I tried!
A good step forward and a vape I will get.....if possible.