someTooL
Well-Known Member
Got to get that wooden sleeve. Having no issues myself with heat transfer using the Inductor. Very cool to the touch.
The Tempest by Mad Heaters & Phatpiggie
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Sorry, to be clear, I have not yet tried alternative stems on the Tempest. At least some of those stems would likely struggle with the Tempest/IH heat.
TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
I think it's telling that the native Tempest stem has a heat shield. It's by design and pretty much necessary with the heat mass in the tip being transferred to the stem during use.
The Stunner went with a carbon fiber wrapped stainless tube as a stem to deal with heat. The TA uses a wood bobbin as an insulator. All ball vapes of this format have to deal with the heat dissipation.
The Stunner went with a carbon fiber wrapped stainless tube as a stem to deal with heat. The TA uses a wood bobbin as an insulator. All ball vapes of this format have to deal with the heat dissipation.
General Disaster
A Country Member
I had wondered about that. If the stunner is using a simple steel tube wrapped in carbon fibre, the resin is going to act as a fairly good insulator, but that means there's going to be little cooling of the vapour?
TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
Exactly right. It's a straight shot to your mouth and after the steel gets warm there's no additional cooling. It preserves taste very well but the vapor is pretty warm. A cooling spiral would help for those needing more cooling.
kegstandman420
Active Member
Yeah the full bowl is much better wow. I was still loving the tempest in half bowl, but I had hoped for more and the full bowl is perfect!! And I finally got the mp and everything figured out. I think I like the one that was originally installed, I believe the helix. I use it dry a lot so that may. The other mp is definitely a nice touch for when the rigs come out. Now I just need a reload asap!
General Disaster
A Country Member
Fair enuff, but not for me, the old lungs are bad enough as it is, heat shrinking the remaining alveoli ain't my first priority!
It's such a nice device when you get the behaviour a bit sussed and it really starts to kick in. Think I've said this before, but right from the start it was really good, but when I found one of the sweet spots - wooo! It really shifts that vapour. Very impressive device, although I'd hope so for what it is, but you can't fake real quality, and this has it.
VapingYogi
Pranayama; of a sort.
Speaking about the heat of the stem.
When using the Helix tube, the Tempest stem is designed to dissipate the heat of the vapor using the radiator sleave. Most of the heat you feel in the stem itself is from the vapor rubbing against the sides of the radiator sleave and the heat shield is to allow that transfer to happen while protecting your fingers from the majority of it.
When using the Direct tube the radiator sleave doesn't do the cooling, in this instance cool air in brought in through the airport and is circulated around the radiator sleave, which cools the radiator sleave before it mixes with the vapor traveling down the center of the cooling unit. This is more like the experience you get with other stems on the market and if your finding it too hot to touch maybe trying the direct tube might be another option.
I saw for example, someone saying that Dynavap and Simrell stems dissipate the heat better, I have been playing around with different stems; a completely wood stem, wood with a stainless steel lining, a mix of wood and resin both lined and unlined and a handful of different dynavap stems.
When using a Simrell Vortex as an example that was previously mentioned; the heat to your fingers is definitely less than the heat to your fingers from the titanium Tempest stem with the Helix tube. The temperature of the vapor from the Vortex however is hotter and more like using the Tempest with the Direct tube.
When you use a Wooden sleave on the Tempest with a Helix tube, the lining of the wooden sleave provides the cooling (like the radiator sleave would) however the wood acts as insulation and decreases the heat you feel at your finger tips. The wooden sleave (using a helix tube) may get hotter than the Simrell vortex; but the vapor will be cooler.
I kind of feel that the Tempest stem accommodate so many different experiences that it has to be played around with to find the one that is right for you.
General Disaster
A Country Member
Heat from Head = Heat in vapour + heat in stem (and a little loss to the environment).
Classical Physics don't lie, as long as you don't squint too much and look in the cracks!
Nice explanation @VapingYogi, I can't see how people don't realise that heat is like water, it has a 'quantity' and if one part gets hotter it's because the other part has got cooler! It all adds up to how much heat went into the head to start with.
Classical Physics don't lie, as long as you don't squint too much and look in the cracks!
Nice explanation @VapingYogi, I can't see how people don't realise that heat is like water, it has a 'quantity' and if one part gets hotter it's because the other part has got cooler! It all adds up to how much heat went into the head to start with.
TedJones
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The few times I’ve tried helix, the stems have seemed to be warmer than the direct. Maybe since it’s not letting the hot vapor travel as fast through it? For me, it’s like the air is bouncing around too much or something with that one.
For sure! Switched back to the 2.5mm last cleaning which seems to get the cap hotter and for just a bit longer. Noticing in the stem as well of course !
Glass does conduct heat much less than metal, so just speaking in the basis of materials, it should be a better bet in terms of heat.
TedJones
Well-Known Member
Probably not. Betting it’s tolerable. Here’s from the beginning of thread:
rebelFarmer
Well-Known Member
Running mine with a direct tube, back to back and standard metal heatsink I never pause or feel slowed down by the heat. I personally would not stress the heat, will get wood when I order the final kit but thats as much the look as anything else.
BushRanger
Hit It & Quit It
Got the gear?
kokolokokolokon
Well-Known Member
Do you use glass balls for that quad flame torch?
BushRanger
Hit It & Quit It
@kokolokokolokon I'm on stock 2.5mm zirc, tried 3mm rubies that I had at hand so far. Wanna try glass beads for sure, got any recommendation? Should go even better with glass stem lol
TedJones
Well-Known Member
I wasn’t planning on using my bb9 native until you asked. The vapor was cooler than I expected
Stem noticeably longer of course and wide open airflow. It did get pretty warm to the touch, even at the carb (full bowl, single heat). Might need a minute to do a second bowl.
BushRanger
Hit It & Quit It
With 3mm rubies... 
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grognard3r
Active Member
BB9 with a Tempest head rocks.I wasn’t planning on using my bb9 native until you asked. The vapor was cooler than I expected
It's easy to go to a J-hook or bong with the BB9. Good choice. Cooler than you'd imagine.
@ljstavy I posted a short video several weeks back that shows vapor from the Tempest going up a Revolve glass sleeve. (Posted Feb 16. That may make it easier to find.)
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General Disaster
A Country Member
This is my blue Tempest. Had it about a month or so, maybe few weeks more? Used most days. Though I treat it fairly carefully.
What isn't so clear from the picture is the slight discolouration where the blue part of the heater meets the steel induction sleeve (and air vent adjuster). It's minor, and is hardly noticeable unless inspecting it, and due to using a jet lighter, not from an IH. Otherwise bar the dust and bits the photo brings out, it's as good as new (as best I can tell). And this was a factory second (although the only blemish is so small, and well hidden, it may as well have been a perfect item (thanks @Brenyo!).
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cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
I've had this since around the first weekend December. It has had many baths in ISO. I don't see any changes in the color so far. My head is on a glass piece right now, so this is just the stem.
