The Tempest by Mad Heaters & Phatpiggie
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Cut a mesh screen to size and stuff it down into the thread. I have more of them, send me a PM with your order no / email.
VapingYogi
Pranayama; of a sort.
I wanted to check how my AVB was after you comment about getting better performance by moving the mesh to the half bowl setting. I am pretty satisfied with the roast I’m getting with the way I’m using it at the moment. I definitely could push things further but it’s more then enough that I’m not getting up to use the heavy hitters (Taroma 360))
RxPlorer
Well-Known Member
I love seeing your analysis on here! Thanks for joining our little community. Where does this abv fall on the visual indicator, or are you still awaiting your indicator?
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
I usually do a half bowl setting in my dynavaps and it is often all I need at the moment, even if another moment comes along relatively soon. So I will likely be good with the half bowl setting on the Tempest, even if the amounts will be slightly different. If I am understanding correctly the bowl screen (CCD replacement) is not quite the right size yet and a better fit one will be coming. And I think Brenyo said that using the half bowl setting is better than half filling the bowl as is true (for me at least) with VapCaps. It shouldn't be too long before I can test this out myself. Hopefully a couple extra bowl screens will come along with the kit. Am I correct that the vapcap CCDs will not work??
Apparently my Tempest is making a stop in Switzerland on its way to me. I hope it picks up some chocolate...
Apparently my Tempest is making a stop in Switzerland on its way to me. I hope it picks up some chocolate...
BushRanger
Hit It & Quit It
When having Tempest connected to a j-hook, where would it make the most sense to put the carb hole? On the WPA or right below j-hooks joint?
Considering to have it paired with 420eng Glasspipe (j-hook)...pic below
To me it seems that handling wise, a carb hole below pipes joint should be better...as its easily reachable when having pipe in hand.
Or would it be better having carb hole on WPA for some other reasons? It doesnt get uncomfortably hot having it so close to the heat?
Any advice, greatly appreciated!
Considering to have it paired with 420eng Glasspipe (j-hook)...pic below
To me it seems that handling wise, a carb hole below pipes joint should be better...as its easily reachable when having pipe in hand.
Or would it be better having carb hole on WPA for some other reasons? It doesnt get uncomfortably hot having it so close to the heat?
Any advice, greatly appreciated!
I've been using the Tempest for 2 days, so I'm sharing my first impressions here, not an opinion backed up by more experience.
I'd like to specify that I vape at high temperature and that I aim for powerful extraction (RDL) in one heating. I like the Anvil, which meets my expectations in terms of extracting. Nevertheless, this Tempest had been on my radar for months, and it has some attractive features.
I've been waiting for the concept of the portable ball-vape with temperature indicator, to make it easier to use. In that way, it's well done, and when the click is calibrated, it'll be great.
The Tempest is a fine piece of engineering, clearly well thought-out and well-made. It's elegant, fairly light and pleasant to hold (nice balance).
Several settings (already developed here) clearly offer a really interesting range of uses that will delight many (particularly in terms of airflow adjustment). My setting: all open at the top and closed at the bottom.
I really enjoy using it, the ritual is pleasant. I use a 3-flame torch and the Wand (375°C to timeover).
The visual indicator seems to work well. By the way, does anyone know if the markings correspond to more or less precise temperature ranges?
I feel comfortable between the 2nd and 3rd marks.
I did, however, experience a few difficulties and noted a few details that I'm sharing here, for the sake of science
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- I sometimes unintentionally closed the matrix airflow and consequently combusted, probably by manipulating it with my fingers. It's a detail to watch out for, at least at first, perhaps.
- I've had reclaim on my fingers (the kind that accumulates along the cooling helix) coming out of the mouthpiece airflow hole, after a day's use.
- the vapor is fresh, which shows all the MadHeaters know-how, but the device becomes very hot, as soon as the 1st bowl. I'm thinking of buying the wooden heatshield (less conductive) to help a little. It's still a real challenge, and I don't think I've really met it. The secondary market will be able to get to grips with the issue thanks to our craftsmen.
Finally, because it's often mentioned here, I'll venture a brief comparison with the Anvil.
When I got the Anvil, I loaded it up, heated up the lower ring, tore it off and drove away. It was incredible.
The Tempest has a wider range of uses, and in that it deserves the success that awaits it, but the Anvil's one-shot extraction power remains unsurpassed, imho. Where the Anvil kills the bowl in one big draw, I'd say the Tempest has the same extraction capacity, but spread over several big hits because it retains the heat longer, and in that they complement each other.
Thank you @Brenyo and all those who have contributed to this thread since the beginning, you are the driving force behind the communi
ty
I'd like to specify that I vape at high temperature and that I aim for powerful extraction (RDL) in one heating. I like the Anvil, which meets my expectations in terms of extracting. Nevertheless, this Tempest had been on my radar for months, and it has some attractive features.
I've been waiting for the concept of the portable ball-vape with temperature indicator, to make it easier to use. In that way, it's well done, and when the click is calibrated, it'll be great.
The Tempest is a fine piece of engineering, clearly well thought-out and well-made. It's elegant, fairly light and pleasant to hold (nice balance).
Several settings (already developed here) clearly offer a really interesting range of uses that will delight many (particularly in terms of airflow adjustment). My setting: all open at the top and closed at the bottom.
I really enjoy using it, the ritual is pleasant. I use a 3-flame torch and the Wand (375°C to timeover).
The visual indicator seems to work well. By the way, does anyone know if the markings correspond to more or less precise temperature ranges?
I feel comfortable between the 2nd and 3rd marks.
I did, however, experience a few difficulties and noted a few details that I'm sharing here, for the sake of science
:- I sometimes unintentionally closed the matrix airflow and consequently combusted, probably by manipulating it with my fingers. It's a detail to watch out for, at least at first, perhaps.
- I've had reclaim on my fingers (the kind that accumulates along the cooling helix) coming out of the mouthpiece airflow hole, after a day's use.
- the vapor is fresh, which shows all the MadHeaters know-how, but the device becomes very hot, as soon as the 1st bowl. I'm thinking of buying the wooden heatshield (less conductive) to help a little. It's still a real challenge, and I don't think I've really met it. The secondary market will be able to get to grips with the issue thanks to our craftsmen.
Finally, because it's often mentioned here, I'll venture a brief comparison with the Anvil.
When I got the Anvil, I loaded it up, heated up the lower ring, tore it off and drove away. It was incredible.
The Tempest has a wider range of uses, and in that it deserves the success that awaits it, but the Anvil's one-shot extraction power remains unsurpassed, imho. Where the Anvil kills the bowl in one big draw, I'd say the Tempest has the same extraction capacity, but spread over several big hits because it retains the heat longer, and in that they complement each other.
Thank you @Brenyo and all those who have contributed to this thread since the beginning, you are the driving force behind the communi
ty
VapingYogi
Pranayama; of a sort.
Thank you, your closing remarks were spot on mate.I've been using the Tempest for 2 days, so I'm sharing my first impressions here, not an opinion backed up by more experience.
I'd like to specify that I vape at high temperature and that I aim for powerful extraction (RDL) in one heating. I like the Anvil, which meets my expectations in terms of extracting. Nevertheless, this Tempest had been on my radar for months, and it has some attractive features.
I've been waiting for the concept of the portable ball-vape with temperature indicator, to make it easier to use. In that way, it's well done, and when the click is calibrated, it'll be great.
The Tempest is a fine piece of engineering, clearly well thought-out and well-made. It's elegant, fairly light and pleasant to hold (nice balance).
Several settings (already developed here) clearly offer a really interesting range of uses that will delight many (particularly in terms of airflow adjustment). My setting: all open at the top and closed at the bottom.
I really enjoy using it, the ritual is pleasant. I use a 3-flame torch and the Wand (375°C to timeover).
The visual indicator seems to work well. By the way, does anyone know if the markings correspond to more or less precise temperature ranges?
I feel comfortable between the 2nd and 3rd marks.
I did, however, experience a few difficulties and noted a few details that I'm sharing here, for the sake of science
- I sometimes unintentionally closed the matrix airflow and consequently combusted, probably by manipulating it with my fingers. It's a detail to watch out for, at least at first, perhaps.
- I've had reclaim on my fingers (the kind that accumulates along the cooling helix) coming out of the mouthpiece airflow hole, after a day's use.
- the vapor is fresh, which shows all the MadHeaters know-how, but the device becomes very hot, as soon as the 1st bowl. I'm thinking of buying the wooden heatshield (less conductive) to help a little. It's still a real challenge, and I don't think I've really met it. The secondary market will be able to get to grips with the issue thanks to our craftsmen.
Finally, because it's often mentioned here, I'll venture a brief comparison with the Anvil.
When I got the Anvil, I loaded it up, heated up the lower ring, tore it off and drove away. It was incredible.
The Tempest has a wider range of uses, and in that it deserves the success that awaits it, but the Anvil's one-shot extraction power remains unsurpassed, imho. Where the Anvil kills the bowl in one big draw, I'd say the Tempest has the same extraction capacity, but spread over several big hits because it retains the heat longer, and in that they complement each other.
Thank you @Brenyo and all those who have contributed to this thread since the beginning, you are the driving force behind the communi
I think that the key thing is that the Tempest has flexibility and multiple ways to use it which other devices struggle to balance so many different use cases in the one device.
I agree I can heat the titanium stem to the point it’s hot to touch if I just take long bit draws. the device can get hot to the touch quickly and like you I’m hoping a wooden sleeve insulates again that heat. That being said I think we are "Heavy" users as I hear so many people who say 1 or 2 bowls and they are asleep, so I think that the balance is good, its just not tweaked for really heavy users that back to back 2-5 bowls and try and clear them as quick as possible.
I tend to use my Tempest in a WPA and in my Prophet, to mitigate the heat on my fingers, when I am doing more than 2 back to back, not always as I don't really mind the heat, but I worry about others grabbing it.
I find that native Tempest use is a little more gentle, spreading the heat over multiple smaller puffs, or a couple of small, a couple of big.... I find that this makes for a nicer - native - experience. You can still clear the bowl quickly and mitigate most of that heat by adding some draws with the carb open to cool it a little (not a lot).
Still I should find a wood sleave and try it, might do that today if I have one laying around...
@Duba I saw that picture on Instagram and I do love your artistry and photography, made me want that little leather set
I’ve been using a wood WPA on a j hook - without a carb - just lifted to clear and no heat problems.
I also use my prophet with a carb hole and honestly either way is fine.
The J hook gets hotter to hold than the wood WPA, I noticed that the BB6 can get hot if I try and clear the bowl quickly so I would go wood in that situation.
I haven’t got to tools (or probably the skill) to be able to try and fix my VI as it’s getting stuck and jumps around up and down 2mm at a time after sticking in place for 5-10 seconds.
I’ll take it out of the wand, and if I watch it, after 5 seconds it will jump up saying it’s hotter than when it came out of the wand and then 5 seconds later jump to a random position in the by other direction.
It’s impossible to use the VI because it gets stuck for long enough that the temperature has changed significantly. I also haven’t got click discs… so I’m just leaning to go by how it “feels”.
I am not able to explain how to replicated what I am doing because I lack any measurable repeatable techniques.
However to clarify how the AVB was created....
All the AVB in that picture was created in 48 hours (my PTSD is bad at the moment because of anniversaries and I have to see a surgeon next Friday, so things suck and I am going to be in hospital maybe for Christmas - fuck that).
I usually do 2-5 bowls in a row, I use 305c until timeout on the first heat up, and the rest are sort of a gut feeling as to how hot the device still is to touch and then I shorten or add more heat "based on how it feels" when I draw air through the system - and how hot it is to touch (don't touch it, you will burn yourself I have a cooks fingers and have burnt the tips off a few times - as Chef - Marco Pierre White says "Fingers are for burning"
Concentrates...
I am really enjoying mixing concentrates in the Tempest at the moment. Have been able to get my hands on some different stuff to try and mix to see which way is best. I have been using the Tempest over by Puffco Proxy for dabs as doing a cold start dab in the Tempest is just such a smooth experience. I was thinking of sharing some pictures and videos of a bunch of different before and after shots for different concentrates and methods of use but... we'll see
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Timps27
Feel like I’m winnin’ when I’m losin’ again
Currently on my flight back home from Thanksgiving, and my Victory Glassworks G5 Velorian slurper just landed at my post box. Can’t wait to get home and have a weekend of experimentation, I think the G5/Tempest are going to make a great 1-2 punch for my mains! 
A little dab porn:
A little dab porn:
BushRanger
Hit It & Quit It
@VapingYogi what is the ID of your wooden WPA? Same 8mm as glass one? Maybe could benefit with slightly looser fit for wood...
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VapingYogi
Pranayama; of a sort.
I'm using the one by Ed's TNT here its a 14mm as my J-hooks and Prophet are 14mm, the actually fit for Tempest is the standard Dynavap 8mm
@bhasma I found this quote from another thread but is this the sort of thing you where trying to explain in your previous posts? That is temperature is the most important factor for the subjective experiences people talk about with regards to "body stone" or "cerebral effects" from a "science" point of view & that convection vs conduction doesn't matter so much as the ability for the device to be able to bring all the herbs in the bowl to the desired temperature?
I've been running my Tempest "hotter" 340c until timeout and then managing the temperature using my breath. I find the extraction is more complete and the colour is probably where you want it, but the flavour has gone, so you swap flavour for the extraction quaility if you're trying to clear a bowl in a single heat (with full extraction). The only thing is that subjectively I am not really experiencing anything different (other than flavour).
Keen to hear your thoughts?
REF: Cannabinoid boiling point chart.
** I just want to mention I borrowed this from a thread from by @Vapvana and felt it might be useful here for this discussion, there is more information there, I just wanted to borrow this to confirm if I understood @bhasma's explanation's in regards to the Tempest
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Shorner
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@Duba I'm finding the Tempest to be staying cooler to hold than the Anvil in standard form....the Anvil requires the XL mouthpiece imo it' gets far too hot in standard length.....
Also 340c until timeout is definitely on par with the Anvil in terms of vapor production and effects on my unit, but as you say its a struggle to get the 1 hit extraction with the Tempest like you can with the Anvil it takes me 2 pulls on the Tempest to extract fully at the moment but im still getting used to it.
Also 340c until timeout is definitely on par with the Anvil in terms of vapor production and effects on my unit, but as you say its a struggle to get the 1 hit extraction with the Tempest like you can with the Anvil it takes me 2 pulls on the Tempest to extract fully at the moment but im still getting used to it.
If you take off the indicators and remove the induction layer you can make it tighter by training it like the DV cap (making it more oval) so it won’t rotate as easily. I don’t recommend holding it there with your fingers though, it might smell bad when you heat it and the oils can burn onto the cap. Try to only hold it at the “grip” part or with the magnet / leather case.
It usually happens when you adjust the airflow and turn the CU within the sleeve. Once you find your preferred setting it won’t happen nearly as quickly or before it needs cleaning anyway.
Nice fit!
I agree, in that the Tempest looks excellent.
I like the mouthfeel and cooling of the vapor in native mode (my favorite way to use vaporizers), in that the stem is effective. I suppose the downside is that the heat will hide in the metal. At the end of a bowl, the carb itself is very hot (I like it when it's closed, opening it would probably help, to be tested).
Agree. The only accessory needed for sweet native use.
Yeah, that's my point comparaison.
As a result, the effects don't seem as heavy and immediate as what Anvil can deliver in 1 large print run.
The tempest seems to me to be more versatile and will be perfect as a daily driver, as it delivers the expected effects too.
Great. Feel free so send me a message to talk about your desire.@Duba I saw that picture on Instagram and I do love your artistry and photography, made me want that little leather set
for those who don't have the reload, this magnet (pictured) works very well (Anvil/Fusion/tempest)
Thank you. That's what I learnt from experience, handling the cap on the grip part near the screw thread is just a habit to get into.
Awesome. I'll make some more soon.Nice fit!
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HaggisHunter
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Afternoon folks. Been at my tempest for a couple of days now, it's a bit of a monster isn't it.
One thing I'm curious about, I get there are various factors involved, like how each person uses a device, quality of material that you're putting through it etc etc.
But I've been watching all your videos for a bit now and I'm still amazed as the length of time you guys keep it going for.
When I run mine, with the wand or a torch, half bowl or full bowl, I get 3/4 large rips off it, then nothing, when I look at the VI it's nearly all the way back to the left side, if I get it back up to temperature I still get nothing. I check it the bowl and it's all well spent, quite dark on top and the rest of the bowl has a very even colour and I'm happy with the roast.
Just not sure how you folks are sitting and doing these seemingly super long sessions.
I've closed off the upper airpath so it's almost closed to reduce the amount of air getting in and it does seem to make a bit of a difference, I've got the lower airport about halfway closed as well.
With torches I've been using a mix of 1, 2 and 3 flame torches.
Wand has been set at 305c, gonna bump it up a bit higher later on and see how that goes.
I'm sure I read further back that 320 is where your pushing combustion, is that right?
Thanks for any advice/help
One thing I'm curious about, I get there are various factors involved, like how each person uses a device, quality of material that you're putting through it etc etc.
But I've been watching all your videos for a bit now and I'm still amazed as the length of time you guys keep it going for.
When I run mine, with the wand or a torch, half bowl or full bowl, I get 3/4 large rips off it, then nothing, when I look at the VI it's nearly all the way back to the left side, if I get it back up to temperature I still get nothing. I check it the bowl and it's all well spent, quite dark on top and the rest of the bowl has a very even colour and I'm happy with the roast.
Just not sure how you folks are sitting and doing these seemingly super long sessions.
I've closed off the upper airpath so it's almost closed to reduce the amount of air getting in and it does seem to make a bit of a difference, I've got the lower airport about halfway closed as well.
With torches I've been using a mix of 1, 2 and 3 flame torches.
Wand has been set at 305c, gonna bump it up a bit higher later on and see how that goes.
I'm sure I read further back that 320 is where your pushing combustion, is that right?
Thanks for any advice/help
VapingYogi
Pranayama; of a sort.
This is what Brenyo said about heating with the wand to clarify
I don't really feel like I get that long of a session, most of the time its less than 30 seconds i'm drawing on my bowl - or 2-3 breaths if I am in a clearing mood.
May I ask who has the long sessions you are talking about? and by long do you mean duration? number of lungful's of air?
If you're happy with the roast then this is the next main thing. More moist / sticky material can produce double the amount of vapour compared to dry.
Shorner
Well-Known Member
@HaggisHunter I would up the temp a bit I can go to 340c until timeout without combustion...
I pushed the wand adapter a bit further down today so it's sticking out the bottom of the wand by about 1mm or so and I'm finding the clicks are a lot closer to time out now and the roast seems a bit more even... its all about finding that sweet spot.
I pushed the wand adapter a bit further down today so it's sticking out the bottom of the wand by about 1mm or so and I'm finding the clicks are a lot closer to time out now and the roast seems a bit more even... its all about finding that sweet spot.
HaggisHunter
Well-Known Member
Just some of the videos I've watched on here, and I'm sure read somewhere in the thread that someone was puffing away for over a minute, I may be wrong but I'm sure I did read that.
I mean I'm happy with what I'm getting, just making sure I'm not missing anything out, FOMO
It's relatively moist, but no doubt I'll have some stickier stuff at some point.
Again, I'm happy, just checking I'm not missing anything out. It's doing its job at the moment and I'm well chuffed with it.
One thing I did find last night is the VI isn't always going back to resting position for some reason, it often sticks halfway, I've checked the assembly and it all seems fine, also checked how tight the top screw is to make sure it wasn't on too much and it's back to where it was when it arrived.
Also, I wish I hadn't anodised the VI purple with the rest of it, I thought it would show up better against the steel parts, but in reality when the room is dimly lit like last night, it was so hard to see it moving, so the VI will be getting polished back again.
Also, I saw your comment earlier regarding trying not to touch the steel parts before using or it might smell funny and look quite bad, unfortunately I have hyperhidrosis in my hands so they sweat a bit more than most folks, and unfortunately as a result after using with a torch a few times now, it all looks rather nasty at the top, but that's a personal thing and I can't do much about it, it'll happen with me no matter how careful I am, I do use the reload lid, but it's still gotten on it and looks naff but that's fine, I never expected those bits to stay nice anyway.
Tonight was always going to be my main experimentation night as Mr wife is away out with her pals, more tempest time ahoy...
VapingYogi
Pranayama; of a sort.
I wonder, how long would it take for the tempest to cool if you heated the tempest until the visual indicator’s top mark and just let it cool down naturally.
HaggisHunter
Well-Known Member
I'll start stepping it up gradually this eve and see how I get on.
I checke my insert and it's actually sitting a mm below already so that seems good.
Both wand and torch seem great, but I think I'll be leaning more towards the torch at home.
Planning on going for a walk tomorrow night, it's supposed to be suitably baltic here then so would be an ideal time to try the wand and tempest outdoors.
It could be 2 things which will be fixed with the final parts.
Either the click disc is getting stuck under the pointer or the VI spring fell down and got stuck. If you can screw it apart and send a picture of the coil (you don’t have to take it out) I’d be able to tell and there’s a fix for it.