The Tempest by Mad Heaters & Phatpiggie

[PaliSab]

How do you change the ball head tip/cap Airflow on the Tempest 2? Or is that just on the v1 Tempest? Please and thank you in advance (newbie with Mad Heater and their Tempest.)

 

[Logo]

How do you change the ball head tip/cap Airflow on the Tempest 2? Or is that just on the v1 Tempest? Please and thank you in advance (newbie with Mad Heater and their Tempest.)

You have to loosen the screw to adjust it then tighten it to lock it in place. The v1 always moved about on me

 

[Caliban]

So has the upgrade kit came out and sold out already or isit still due to come out? I didn't get any emails or anything about the wood sleeve and what not being live to buy

Not sure about the kit. But I don't think anyone got any emails, it was just a chance viewing of the page and I saw the wooden sleeves were in stock.

 

[HaggisHunter]

So has the upgrade kit came out and sold out already or isit still due to come out? I didn't get any emails or anything about the wood sleeve and what not being live to buy

Nah, it comes out at the same time as the device launch. You've no missed out, all good

 

[Minsc_NBoo]

As there is a few discussions about Ruby ball temps I thought I'd share my current settings

I posted this on the r/madheaters subreddit

Set up - new wand adaptor, and 3mm rubies in the cap. Cap airflow fully open, stem airport closed off. Using a mini globe bong with water

Ive set the depth on the adaptor quite low (see pictures!). The wand temp set to 335c. Put the wand in automode and leave the Tempest in the wand until you get the "time over" message.

AVB looks pretty evenly roasted. Some darker spots on top but nothing to worry about as its still dark brown

Here are a few pics There are 4 in total but they are a bit out of order as I uploaded after taking the pictures

https://imgur.com/a/qMbhviR

 

[This Is My Vapestick]

As there is a few discussions about Ruby ball temps I thought I'd share my current settings

I posted this on the r/madheaters subreddit

Set up - new wand adaptor, and 3mm rubies in the cap. Cap airflow fully open, stem airport closed off. Using a mini globe bong with water

Ive set the depth on the adaptor quite low (see pictures!). The wand temp set to 335c. Put the wand in automode and leave the Tempest in the wand until you get the "time over" message.

AVB looks pretty evenly roasted. Some darker spots on top but nothing to worry about as its still dark brown

Here are a few pics There are 4 in total but they are a bit out of order as I uploaded after taking the pictures

https://imgur.com/a/qMbhviR

Thanks for the detailed setup. I love seeing people's specific settings. What kind of experience would you call this? DTL? And what do you think the balance is between convection and conduction? I'm guessing this is conduction heavy and probably hits hard.

 

[General Disaster]

The tempest 1 has been tested on here for what, 1.5 years before being released? The revolve stem the v1 uses also has been out for like 3 years.
But that also is beside the point I tried to make. It's ok to bring out an entirely redesigned version after just releasing a product several months before. But in that case I would expect a way cheaper upgrade pack for people who bought that product just some months ago.

Don't get me wrong, I love my tempest and will buy the upgrade pack either way.

Are we talking cross purposes? Is this the v1 upgrade brought out when the v1 went release? Or an upgrade for v1 to use v2 bowl/cap? Or has there been another upgrade?

 

[MegaChip]

Are we talking cross purposes? Is this the v1 upgrade brought out when the v1 went release? Or an upgrade for v1 to use v2 bowl/cap? Or has there been another upgrade?

I don't really see your point. If you release a new version not even a year after the original product came out I would expect an upgrade pack for people who bought the original product at a significant price reduction.

You claimed that you cannot expect "perfection out of the box when playing with new ideas". That's why I said it was developed and tested for years. It's not like someone made this in his garage, sold it to people and now gets feedback for the first time.

You said the time it is out does not matter. Would you also think it would have been fine if a new version was released 1 week after the v1 was sold out, together with an upgrade pack 25% of the price of the new product? One day? One minute? Where is the cutoff?

 

[kokolokokolokon]

I would expect an upgrade pack for people who bought the original product at a significant price reduction.

I think the upgrade price is good enough.

Consider that the tempest is not a product that you disch as soon as a new one comes out. Even if you have released a new version, you can still use the v1, only that it gives the option to upgrade (something im not used to see).

Also, the release of the v1 suffered a huge delay cause some problems with the click discs.

 

[HaggisHunter]

You said the time it is out does not matter. Would you also think it would have been fine if a new version was released 1 week after the v1 was sold out, together with an upgrade pack 25% of the price of the new product? One day? One minute? Where is the cutoff?

Think it was me that said that.
It wasn't released a day or a second ago though, it was August/September, with the hardware parts, they were finalised way before launch, I think I got the final induction sleeve and housing back in January or February with a purchase of something else.
It was the VI coil and click discs that were being changed often.
The time period that has passed since the actual launch, I'm absolutely ok with. I've seen much worse in my own trade.

Maybe the name of the kit is the issue, 'upgrade kit' might suggest there's a problem that needs addressing, maybe it could be called the booster kit, or heat pack - to calm any potential confusion.
As it stands, my tempest, yours, and probably everyone else's is working just fine, it's doing the job it was always designed to do - if this wasn't the case, then I'd be surprised that I'd need to shell out another £35 to get my device working properly, but that's not the case here, it still functions exactly as sold months after purchase.

Then a new product comes along, which maybe sparks an idea about offering some of the 'new features' from the 'new' device to the previous device.

The way I see it, the kit is an optional extra, an optional extra that will alter how your device works, altering it from how it was originally designed, therefore I see no reason why he should offer the kit any cheaper than it currently is, which is more than reasonable, as it's still a good bit cheaper than the parts combined.

It's not an upgrade kit like the tempest kit at launch, the one for early adopters of the tempest, the kit that came with the pouch, new indicators and housings etc, that was what £9? But that was part of the deal when buying the early tempest.

 

[MegaChip]

Maybe the name of the kit is the issue, 'upgrade kit' might suggest there's a problem that needs addressing, maybe it could be called the booster kit, or heat pack - to calm any potential confusion.
As it stands, my tempest, yours, and probably everyone else's is working just fine, it's doing the job it was always designed to do - if this wasn't the case, then I'd be surprised that I'd need to shell out another £35 to get my device working properly, but that's not the case here, it still functions exactly as sold months after purchase.

Then a new product comes along, which maybe sparks an idea about offering some of the 'new features' from the 'new' device to the previous device.

But it is an upgrade also fixing problems, not a sidegrade. The click disks don't work properly, this kit fixes it. It improves the functionality with torches and makes assembly and disassembly easier. Thats not just "different" or "new features". It is about improving existing features.

 

[sedentree]

I don't really see your point. If you release a new version not even a year after the original product came out I would expect an upgrade pack for people who bought the original product at a significant price reduction.

You claimed that you cannot expect "perfection out of the box when playing with new ideas". That's why I said it was developed and tested for years. It's not like someone made this in his garage, sold it to people and now gets feedback for the first time.

You said the time it is out does not matter. Would you also think it would have been fine if a new version was released 1 week after the v1 was sold out, together with an upgrade pack 25% of the price of the new product? One day? One minute? Where is the cutoff?

Out of interest, if we look at things from your point of view, what would be a reasonable time frame for you? As far as I have understood, less than a year is too short for you? Would V1 need to have been out for say a decade (exaggeration for effect) before you considered the price to be reasonable for you?

 

[HaggisHunter]

But it is an upgrade also fixing problems, not a sidegrade. The click disks don't work properly, this kit fixes it. It improves the functionality with torches and makes assembly and disassembly easier. Thats not just "different" or "new features". It is about improving existing features.

But the previous kit that launched in August with the tempest, fixed issues with the discs and coils I thought?

I got one kit, it brought my pre-release tempest in-line with the device I bought at launch, so I had two devices working more or less exactly the same, I also got another head, which was to share around with others, it also worked more or less exactly the same, it's been round so many people now, and still works the same as it did the day I got it.
There were also purchases by people off the back of that sample head I had going round, so it must have been working well enough to convince users that it absolutely was the finished article, and was worth buying? I'd like to think so.

Did you not get the original upgrade kit?

This upgrade kit will fix absolutely nothing for me on the device I have, as there's nothing to fix. I've sold the black device I bought at launch as I ran into money issues, but I'll presume it's working fine as the dude hasn't been in touch with me, about anything ever.
The head I share around, last time I checked it was also fine, but I'll check it again when I get it back.

I know there has been some folk with discs that took too long to click, but that's been sorted out before now surely?
As far as I remember, the discs and coils have always been in stock, so if you've had those issues, could it have been fixed before now?

As far as assembly being easier/better etc, that's come through the development of the V2, and he's decided to bring that to the V1 as an option.
Where does it end? Should we expect a kit for the V1 every time a new model comes out?

If the kit was never offered, it would have been accepted that the V2 has simply bettered the V1 and we'd all be quite happy?

 

[MegaChip]

Out of interest, if we look at things from your point of view, what would be a reasonable time frame for you? As far as I have understood, less than a year is too short for you? Would V1 need to have been out for say a decade (exaggeration for effect) before you considered the price to be reasonable for you?

Looking at other vapes, around a 2 year cycle seems fine to me. Anything under a year and imo the vape should just have stayed in development longer. Atleast if it is not about a new technology we did not have before (which is not the case here).

But I won't make the claim that that is an objective truth, this honestly is just my opinion and I am perfectly fine with other people not agreeing with it.

 

[sedentree]

Looking at other vapes, around a 2 year cycle seems fine to me. Anything under a year and imo the vape should just have stayed in development longer. Atleast if it is not about a new technology we did not have before (which is not the case here).

But I won't make the claim that that is an objective truth, this honestly is just my opinion and I am perfectly fine with other people not agreeing with it.

So just wait until next year to buy it

 

[MegaChip]

But the previous kit that launched in August with the tempest, fixed issues with the discs and coils I thought?

The click disks were "fixed" in the sense that they click at the correct temperature. They need several minutes for the cool down click though, meaning that for multiple heat cycles you only have clicks with the first heat up. Thats the case with all v1 discs as far as I know.

As far as assembly being easier/better etc, that's come through the development of the V2, and he's decided to bring that to the V1 as an option.
Where does it end? Should we expect a kit for the V1 every time a new model comes out?

A company always has the option to keep a device in development a bit longer. The question is which time is reasonable, considering a company also needs money to survive. If you can design a better stem, a better head, easier assembly mechanisms etc. in just a few months, in that case the device should just have stayed in development longer in my opinion. If for whatever reasons a company can't do that, shit happens, but then I would expect cheaper upgrades for the old buyers who got a worse product simply because the company did not want to develop their products longer.

If the kit was never offered, it would have been accepted that the V2 has simply bettered the V1 and we'd all be quite happy?

For me not, the problem stays the same.

So just wait until next year to buy it

That misses the point. How does me buying it later change the fact that one got a worse product because the company did not spend longer times on the development of the product.

Anyway, I don't think it makes sense to prolong this discussion. I stated my opinion andd gave reasons for it and it's fine if others have different opinions. I don't want to clog this thread !

 

[add1noob]

What is the kit upgrading? I thought it was basically a thicker induction sleeve for the V1 I assumed the extra things were to accommodate the new thicker sleeve.

 

[HaggisHunter]

A company always has the option to keep a device in development a bit longer.

That's not always the case unfortunately, especially if you have someone else making your products, they have time scales and lead times, and others customers products to deal with, I know this from experience in the trade in work in.

The click disks were "fixed" in the sense that they click at the correct temperature. They need several minutes for the cool down click though, meaning that for multiple heat cycles you only have clicks with the first heat up. Thats the case with all v1 discs as far as I know.

Of the three heads I've owned, all three clicked twice on heat up, all three have one disc which took minutes to cool down (fair enough), and another which was more responsive, as in it'll click a few seconds after it hits a magnet, after I've been using it if course.
But that click is accurate on mine.

All good though, despite what you might think, I actually do see your point.
But I just see no reason for him to offer anything on what is a device that has been superseded.
I've not been involved in the process like brenyo has, but I've been involved in bringing products to market, it ain't a walk in the park.

If you feel your T1 is lacking and that it's not quite what you paid for, get in touch, he's amazing at rectifying any issues raised, he stands by his product, and rightly so.

It's fine to discuss stuff, I like how on here most things are addressed and spoken about in an adult fashion, unlike the socials where if often leads to shit slinging.

Enjoy your Friday peepers, I have some goldberry waiting for me after work

 

[Dirigible_Molecule]

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Enjoy your Friday peepers, I have some goldberry waiting for me after work

mmm nice.

Arriving tomorrow- theoretically, are Sitka DB Cake & Papers Yoda Cap The hunt for an alt to OOS PN GMO Cookies still on, insomnia.

PS my T1 clicks work fine now, were random, I combusted badly once and they worked ever after 8)

 

[Caliban]

I don't really see your point. If you release a new version not even a year after the original product came out I would expect an upgrade pack for people who bought the original product at a significant price reduction.

Do consumers get new phones or laptops at significant discount because they improved upon the technology or performance of the previous iteration (and these products are developed and released in similarly short timeframes)?

I know it's a bit of an apples and oranges argument, but it costs money to improve and develop things, and business must recoup these costs if they want to continue trading.

Your perception that the tempest 1 is now a worse product because the two has released is understandable, but seems a little unfair from a "business" perspective.

In tempest related news, my wooden sleeves should be getting delivered today! Will post pictures as soon as I can.

Edit - Mrs Caliban has just accepted the delivery! Just need work to hurry up and finish.

 

[Minsc_NBoo]

Thanks for the detailed setup. I love seeing people's specific settings. What kind of experience would you call this? DTL? And what do you think the balance is between convection and conduction? I'm guessing this is conduction heavy and probably hits hard.

I mainly use this setting for DTL. I tend to use the bong most of the time. When I do DTL natively I drop the temp to 320c. I still think it's convection heavy as the AVB gets fully cooked but is not too dark

Ive swapped the 3mm Zirc balls into my V1 now, so when I do want a more chilled out MTL session this is ideal! 280c is my V1 standard temp

 

[Dirigible_Molecule]

My natural sleeve will be here tomorrow courtesy of Royal Mail. I may remember to do a photo post .... if I remember to put it in my Apple calendar!