The Tempest by Mad Heaters & Phatpiggie

[sentabi]

Is there any chance someone could share their experience of the v2 with a torch? A video would be nice as well if possible!

 

[scotcan]

I don't think it's that, in my case anyway as the error never shows on other devices. Think I just have a faulty unit. Works if I lower it in slowly so it could be worse. Gonna see if warranty will sort it, feel like it should

I’m getting exactly the same with a one month old wand and only with the Tempest 2. If I lower the T2 deeper than I’d like it’s fine. Same result with the glass and the new adaptor - the new one is perhaps a bit worse

 

[General Disaster]

I'm beginning to think that this error 01 may be caused by a cell temp sensor either in a protected cell itself or within the Wand charging and power circuit under the cell slots. I haven't looked as mine works.

There is, afaik, no other temp sensor in the Wand as it uses a timer circuit instead, the degrees of heat are somewhat meaningless.

Source, I'm an aged electronics geek.

Caveat: I know next to sod-all about electronics beyond not putting a screw driver into the live socket! (and that took a little working out!)

Agreed - there's no temperature sensing at all (beyond any safety cutout feature I'm unaware of), even the 'temp' setting is really just a timer, and if you think about how different vapes can be, it makes sense the Wand couldn't accurately measure what's going on inside the cap.

I believe the circuitry detects changes to the volts/amps across the coil due to the effect of metal in the coil and has some sort of criteria for shutting down the heating (raising an error). But that's a guess, for all I know there's a separate sensor.
I wondered whether it was to minimise the likelyhood of something sticking out too far from the back and melting the orange plastic (or some similar issue)?

There is a separate thread available for the Wand and I think this thread has been derailed enough.

Not read that yet so I may be missing something, but as each vape tends to behave uniquely with the Wand, it's a tough call as to whether that's better discussed within that vapes thread rather than loads of different vapes in one Wand thread?

As the former would introduce a single extra element (the Wand) into a single vapes' thread while the latter would involve many different vapes all competing in one Wand thread, for me at least that would become much harder to navigate and track posts.

 

[General Disaster]

Ghaaa! Double-post time!! I never should log in this early in the morning!!!!

(If a kindly mod could delete please? Ta!)

 

[Dirigible_Molecule]

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I believe the circuitry detects changes to the volts/amps across the coil due to the effect of metal in the coil and has some sort of criteria for shutting down the heating (raising an error). But that's a guess, for all I know there's a separate sensor.
I wondered whether it was to minimise the likelyhood of something sticking out too far from the back and melting the orange plastic (or some similar issue)?

Something like that I think, my memory is damaged by LC so Im having trouble recalling stuff. So apols for vagueness. I dont use rewrrapped cells btw and don't recommend anything other than the main producers.

As the wand works with many diff devices and requires safety circuitry as high current and heat are present it probably detects the magnetic flux of the device as it is placed in or turned on when loaded in order to meet thoise demands. Poss by back EMF being measured or more simply the immediate current draw and battery voltage slump owing to that draw. I've scanned the Wand thread but little data about such detail. A circuit diag would do!

The V2 has greater mass, therefore it requires more energy to bring to a target temp. It likely has the most mass of all devices thrust into a Wand. If it has not been designed to cope with such demands internal protections may flip out. I think thats what happening, the clue may be the mention of slowly inserting the Tempest in that case.

EDIT- in the wand manual the error 01 is listed as an "NTC" error. NTCs are non-linear thermistors - basically it is a temp sensor. Where it is I don't know. I will, when I have the strength open mine up.

 

[kokolokokolokon]

Is there any chance someone could share their experience of the v2 with a torch? A video would be nice as well if possible!

The Tempest by Mad Heaters & Phatpiggie

Beautiful.. but all it does it give me anxiety from the USA. So close to my Titanium preorder.. but yet so far Agreed. I’m crossing my fingers that everything works out for US orders.

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[Brenyo]

It likely has the most mass of all devices thrust into a Wand. If it has not been designed to cope with such demands internal protections may flip out.

There are devices with more mass, and it works. It’s a surface effect, so it’s more about the width of the head and whether it’s ferrous, as far as I know. If the internals haven’t changed recently, then I think it can only be the batteries.

I’m getting exactly the same with a one month old wand and only with the Tempest 2. If I lower the T2 deeper than I’d like it’s fine. Same result with the glass and the new adaptor - the new one is perhaps a bit worse

Which batteries do you use?

 

[Dirigible_Molecule]

There are devices with more mass, and it works. It’s a surface effect, so it’s more about the width of the head and whether it’s ferrous, as far as I know. If the internals haven’t changed recently, then I think it can only be the batteries.

Eddy currents are created in ferrous material by the AC magnetic field that is generated by a strong AC current. . The field is alternating polarity therefore. These eddy currents generate heat in the metal. Much of it near the surface but some will be elsewhere. You can heat metal placed near a Wand or indeed damage electronics placed on top of it ... ie a mobile phone. 8)

 

[btka]

There are devices with more mass, and it works. It’s a surface effect, so it’s more about the width of the head and whether it’s ferrous, as far as I know. If the internals haven’t changed recently, then I think it can only be the batteries.


Which batteries do you use?

As I mentioned before the og batteries from the wand especialy when fully charged Are more prone for the error 01. with older Samsung and Sony vtc I do Not have the error Problem so often and also when the og batteries power getting lower I do Not get the Error 01 so often. But I am Talking g about the use with another vaporizer Not Tempest 2, which I will buy in the Future as I am a big Fan of the tempest 1.

 

[Dirigible_Molecule]

Sounds like spec variation overtime, aging caps and bits in a very hot and dense electromagnetic field unit.

Fully charged new cells max current flipping the power off as overheat detected ( somewhere) by that thermistor. Older or part discharged cells not doing so as less surge current at coil current turn on. V2 density adds to that.

So some Wands do and some don't! imho ofc.

EDIT the thermistor giving those error 01 could be the one located by the coil. There may be others.

 

[Caliban]

Is there any chance someone could share their experience of the v2 with a torch? A video would be nice as well if possible!

My previous post relates to torch use. I'm loving the V2 with a torch and finding it easier to use than with the V1 as it seems much more consistent.

 

[BushRanger]

Early Friday vibes!

 

[Brenyo]

I’ve arranged some non-magnetic induction sleeves for the T2, which should help reduce the power output and fix the error on the wands if nothing else works.

 

[Dirigible_Molecule]

Happy to test one if you need.

 

[General Disaster]

Something like that I think, my memory is damaged by LC so Im having trouble recalling stuff. So apols for vagueness.

I have a condition called SDAM (severely deficient autobiographical memory) that means I have absolutely no conscious recall of any experience what so ever, from what my closest family look like, to what garlic smells of, to what it feels like to be stoned (etc etc). So in terms of the past, vagueness is my default state!
Mine is due to aphantasia, just out of curiosity, what's "LC" if you don't mind saying?

EDIT- in the wand manual the error 01 is listed as an "NTC" error. NTCs are non-linear thermistors - basically it is a temp sensor. Where it is I don't know. I will, when I have the strength open mine up.

I presume that would be on the circuit board or some other electrical component(s) to prevent the electronics overheating or maybe the coil housing or similar, but not reading the temperature of the inserted device (if only because I can't see how it could be calibrated for absolutely any kind of induction heatable vape, especially in real-time)?

 

[Musikchen]

with my error01 wand(months back with Tempest v1)my first try was to use new molicel batteries. still error01.
the wand i bought as a replacement works fine for now with all my old batteries too.

 

[Dirigible_Molecule]

I have a condition called SDAM (severely deficient autobiographical memory) that means I have absolutely no conscious recall of any experience what so ever, from what my closest family look like, to what garlic smells of, to what it feels like to be stoned (etc etc). So in terms of the past, vagueness is my default state!
Mine is due to aphantasia, just out of curiosity, what's "LC" if you don't mind saying?

Long Covid, severe/moderate flipping. Since 2020.

I presume that would be on the circuit board or some other electrical component(s) to prevent the electronics overheating or maybe the coil housing or similar, but not reading the temperature of the inserted device (if only because I can't see how it could be calibrated for absolutely any kind of induction heatable vape, especially in real-time)?

The thermistor is visible on the coil itself if you remove any adaptors. Self calibration is common in electronics, measure, calculate and adjust. The Wand introduces a .3V pulse to the coil to detect any metal, then it starts work based on the data, it may be more than yes/no data, could include an estimate of density and detect level of eddy currents and the phase of the moon . , There have been several Wand variants, not announced. There are patents on some of the design elements so something like that may be going on.

 

[General Disaster]

Long Covid, severe/moderate flipping. Since 2020.

Ah yes, I think you've mentioned that before, thanks. Hope it's mostly cleared up now, not a fun experience by all accounts.

The thermistor is visible on the coil itself if you remove any adaptors. Self calibration is common in electronics, measure, calculate and adjust. The Wand introduces a .3V pulse to the coil to detect any metal, then it starts work based on the data, it may be more than yes/no data, could include an estimate of density and detect level of eddy currents and the phase of the moon . ,

There have been several Wand variants, not announced. There are patents on some of the design elements so something like that may be going on.

Yeah, I've come to realise there are many variations of Wand, some even in the dimensions of the coil housing! And the 'temp' setting seems to vary too from one Wand to another sometimes. Most annoying when trying to pass on suggested settings and setups.
Thanks for the details, I guess the coil itself can potentially heat up then, under certain circumstances.

 

[Wozz]

Landed yesterday, thank you

No chance to have a proper play yesterday, but i had to have a couple of cheeky tasters

Today , , plenty of Tempest 2 time already

I'm really liking.

Looks. Yeah, initial impressions, I preferred the look of my Tempest 1. That said , I knew what it looked like before buying and I'd already thought it looks like this for a reason function wize...
Looks are fickle... Only had it since yesterday and already the look is really growing on me. Big part of this is it works so well...

Really does work well. Loving how long I'm getting heat retention wize. Do think Brenyo has finally hit doobie like territory. Really can just toke away


Adapter works well. Shame I don't use my wand with my Anvil or Tornado . Great for those with multiple wand using vapes though.
Works fine with my wand, no errors for me, but I am preferring testing/ playing with my torch.

Stays cool to handle, I've done plenty of back to backs already today, plenty .

Locking air on the cap I'm good with. After playing around today it's not something i'll need to change multiple times anyway. When I do fancy a change, easy enough. Do wonder if this is the case for anyone without a reload though.
Although I think that for anything I'm doing vape wize tbf use my reload with each and every vape, be lost without it.

Stem settings easy to change, appreciate the fine details like the indent and also the dot.

My Anvil I only like and use native.
My Tempest and Tornado I like both native and through my Prophet.
Is nice with my Tempest 2 not having a stem or wpa sat by me as I swap n change.
Toke on my Prophet straight to native, seamless, no faff lol. Wasn't such a big deal with Tempest 1 or Tornado tbf , but still , nice to have .

Nice to handle , great balance.
Vi was/is a bit sticky, early days . It's just not as smooth as my V1 , yet. First stage is nice clean smooth, then just a couple of sticks as it progresses. As I say , very early days though.

I'll admit I'm struggling with the 2nd position for the bowl screen.
Full size is obviously easy.
Smallest I can locate straightforward enough.
Haven't got the knack yet for 2nd bowl size setting though. Feeling I'm making it more difficult than it is to set.

Very much appreciate those already with their Tempest that mentioned the cooling spiral.
I so would have thought I'd damaged mine too . When I saw it I did proper chuckle and thought of the posts here.
If not for those I pictured..."for feck sake, how've you managed to damage it already "
Thank you

Yeah nice one Brenyo
Definitely happy
Sweet, very well thought out device
Joy to use
Gonna enjoy further testing today

 

[Brenyo]

Haven't got the knack yet for 2nd bowl size setting though.

There will be a tool for it eventually that slots into the grooves below the MP thread on the inner tube. You might have received a C shaped plastic part that you can use there in the meantime, smooth-ish side facing the threaded end.

First press in the screen to full bowl and then push it back with a condenser or something similar while the bowl is on the tool.

 

[scoobyzsnackz]

Hi guys
I managed to get the flavour sorted in my v1 tempest today. For anyone whos interested, i think the issue was the head was dirty. I hadnt let the head soak with no balls in, so I torched them down again and soaked the head withiut them. I also detached the Vi from the head and let that soak.

Over the moon I have managed to get it fixed. Cheers to everyone who helped

 

[Dirigible_Molecule]

...doobie like territory ...

 

[Wozz]

There will be a tool for it eventually that slots into the grooves below the MP thread on the inner tube. You might have received a C shaped plastic part that you can use there in the meantime, smooth-ish side facing the threaded end.

First press in the screen to full bowl and then push it back with a condenser or something similar while the bowl is on the tool.

Aye, I'm stoned , very stoned

First, mission to find that tool , had quite a few bowls now and it's been a while since I change the level on my wand. Did actually just use it on the wand again as my torch ran out of gas
Anyway found it, then spent an embarrassing amount of time deciphering what you'd written ,

Anyway, then it clicked. Ingenious, thank you.

Makes a world of difference. I knew they'd be a tech and it would be included in the manual,
very easy to follow and use.