Discontinued The Sublimator

John Lewus

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It's all in the quality of the cough ;) If you are hacking and wheezing like you have asthma, then you are probably sensitive to the plant particles, and water is a good idea no matter the vape you use. If it's a case of taking too much in the lungs, or dryness of vapor, the sublimator takes care of alot of that through the atomizer. You can tell by the quality of the vapor, that it is more of a mist...and that makes it more air like and natural to the lungs.
Ok if there is more of a mist effect than the cloud then that is something I would be interested to learn more about. I still am having a hard time figuring out what it is about the sublimator design that achieves this. I am eager to read more cloud comparisons from forum users.
 
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Tweek

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It's always tough when trying to pick a vape. There was a time when good quality was hard to come by...now you have some truly amazing choices.
 

smokum

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Don't know what causes the reaction with ME, but every time I partake via vape/joint/dab I stuff up, cough and hack a loogie, followed by some extensive nose blowing. I find it worse with bud/leaf even though its a well organically grown, harvested, and very cured crop, which I just chalked up as mj being mj with it's expectorant effects. But in my case, its obviously something else on top of my bronchitis/asthma.
 
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green2brown

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I just tried some herb without grinding. About a .15 nug. Took one good hit, then stabbed it with a poker and it fell apart and I took a second good rip. The ABV was evenly cooked a nice dark brown. So if you don't have a grinder around, you're in luck!
 

Dreamerr

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Don't know what causes the reaction with ME, but every time I partake via vape/joint/dab I stuff up, cough and hack a loogie, followed by some extensive nose blowing. I find it worse with bud/leaf even though its a well organically grown, harvested, and very cured crop, which I just chalked up as mj being mj with it's expectorant effects. But in my case, its obviously something else on top of my bronchitis/asthma.

To me in my non doctor status it sounds like you are allergic. Did you ever try smelling it for a few minutes really hard and see if you have a reaction?

Edit: Go to an allergist and get the scratch test for weed...oh that isn't invented yet darn it:rofl:
 
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smokum

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Good to know g2b.... but I'll be giving a light shred with my SCS none the less, just because I love the way it fluffs up ;)
 
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Tweek

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To me in my non doctor status it sounds like you are allergic. Did you ever try smelling it for a few minutes really hard and see if you have a reaction?

Edit: Go to an allergist and get the scratch test for weed...oh that isn't invented yet darn it:rofl:


I get runny nose and itchy eyes if I get too close to some fresh ground. I love it though :smug:
 
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John Lewus

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It's always tough when trying to pick a vape. There was a time when good quality was hard to come by...now you have some truly amazing choices.

Exactly! Too many choices can suck. I already have a cloud and am trying to decide whether I want to invest in their kickstarter project for v2.0, consider a sublimator, or do nothing.
 

smokum

I am who I am and your approval isn't needed!
To me in my non doctor status it sounds like you are allergic. Did you ever try smelling it for a few minutes really hard and see if you have a reaction?

Edit: Go to an allergist and get the scratch test for weed...oh that isn't invented yet darn it:rofl:


LoL !! don't think I'd be requesting 'that' specific test even if it was invented.

The funny part of it all is if I press a puck out of bud, break it up, and then vape it.... I'm ok. Guess I'm just an odd duck overall I suppose :p

But, it is what it is... and I'm looking forward to having my Sub as yet another toy to play with and carry on, because doing without is NOT an option just as much as ever using BP products again just won't happen !

Edited to add: The only reaction I have when I harvest is that I get so body buzzed I have to take frequent breaks :rolleyes: because wearing 'gear' to harvest 'just ain't right' :lol:
 

stickstones

Vapor concierge
g2b...good to hear as I am starting to grind less often and use vapes that don't require it.

jam...mine is doing the customs dance as well. looks like you and I are both going to be trying to reclaim using our buddies. I have an 18mm sub coming, so I was thinking of using an 18mm extender on the side joint and carbing through the center joint. The 14mm may have been a better choice for this application.
 
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jambandphan03

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Damn, was hoping you guys would be up and running by now. :rockon:

You and me both...at this point, I'll just be happy to see it show up before I go out of town. I have learned a lot though while waiting, which is not at all a bad thing. Patience...yeah, how long will that take?

Glad you have one heading your way too Sticks...
 
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PlanetHaze

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Haha, well as they say to each their own. If you use the sublimator responsibly you will absolutely get as much enjoyment out of it as anyone with a future model, your correct there.

Still, I am interested to know if Enrico or PV could shed some light on my question, it may be something other consumers like myself would be concerned about as well.
We are not the manufacture, but just as any other vaporizer on the market, manufactures make constant little improvements along the way in an effort to bring the best product they can to market. Waiting for a perfected finished never to be improved upon product will probably never happen.


My thoughts were more along the lines of after heating the glass, anything cold that touches it may cause it to crack. Ground glass joints crack pretty easily sometimes.
Absolutely NOT. The glass joint in your water tool will not get hot enough from our experience so far. In fact we can pull the atomizer after an hour in the glass joint and hold our hand on the glass and not get burned.


Elb's vs atomizer.
The atomizer just needs a poke to free up the herb and a dump on the table.
Doesn't seem like it would need to be cleaned very much if at all.
I can empty and reload the atomizer in seconds.

Elb's also only take a few seconds to load as well.
Takes a bit to brush out the old herb though.
I like to clean my elb's every second day minimum.
Yeah that is what I have gathered as well. The ELBs seem to win in this case for me. I am eager to see more reviews against the cloud but I think for my use case the cloud has the edge. However, if there is a big difference in extraction/taste/smoothness then I will have to do some reconsideration.
This isn't a Cloud vs. Sub thread, each of these are great vapes and do their magic a bit different from each other. Some people enjoy pre loading ELB's and switching them out between hits, some don't like handling or removing a hot ELB. The Sub does not need pre loading, like Darb said, once at temp, drop your herbs in, hit it, dump the ABV out ~10 seconds total. Want another hit, drop your herbs in, hit it, dump the ABV out ~10 seconds total. Very simple really and not much to clean except the screen now and then.
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stickstones

Vapor concierge
I think it helps to realize this unit was designed by someone who really digs dabbing. while it is not enclosed in a nice plastic case that I can hand to my wife while we lie in bed, it seems to excel at the concentrates. even the one-hitter style usage with flowers lends itself to a concentrate type of hit. nail hitters are going to love this because it fits their usage style.

I don't yet know if it is a game changer and takes people to the next level of vaping, but it already has it's own category carved out for it. I can think of nothing like it so many ways.
 

DeltaNine

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Absolutely NOT. The glass joint in your water tool will not get hot enough from our experience so far. In fact we can pull the atomizer after an hour in the glass joint and hold our hand on the glass and not get burned.


Ok cool, guess I'll consider picking one up at the end of the summer
 
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vtac

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A Sub surfaced here yesterday. :) Big thanks to PlanetVape for getting it here super fast and well packed. First impressions:

I took a few pics before doing anything. Next up was cleaning. PlanetVape recommends doing this to get rid of the machining oils, and as has been said, it is a good idea. I gave the lower sections a scrub in hot soapy water, ISO, and then more soapy water until cotton swabs were coming out white. I carefully cleaned the upper Apollo section with a paper towl and swabs dipped in ISO, being mindful not to get any liquid into the device. The craters were the dirtiest. Then I turned it on for 30 minutes on max, let it cool for a few minutes and blew it out with an electric duster. I wouldn't recommend canned air as it tends to blow out really cold air and might cause some sort of thermal shock.

Cleaning new vape equipment before use is something I always do, but I know that most people aren't as cautious or patient as me when they get their new toy, and it doesn't say anything about cleaning on the included instructions here. Nothing out of the ordinary, but some sort of ultrasonic cleaning before the units were put together would be a nice touch. I always appreciated the fact that Tom and Pammy from PurpleDays scrubbed their metal parts in hot soapy water before they went in the units. A positive side effect of cleaning the vape is that it builds anticipation even higher. :D

As has been said, the power dial has no markings. It's a bit confusing at first since only a portion of the dial is visible at any time. I drew on some numbers with a fine tip sharpie so there's no thinking required. You can erase permanent marker with a q-tip dipped in ISO if you screw up like me.

Yes the Apollo and bowl get really hot. My thermometer only goes up to 150C and it maxed out quickly. It's certainly not the vape for everyone and can burn you if you're not careful. With that said, if you dab with a torch you should have no problem with this. Just treat it like a powerful tool that requires respect. It's not the first vape that gets hot. Supreme , anyone?

It might seem like I have a lot of complaints so far. Honestly none of those things were a big deal to me, I'm just posting them so they might help new users. Personally I would not change a single thing if it diminished the performance, because the performance is outstanding!

There's been a lot of discussion about sublimation and atomization. What I see is an highly effective heat exchanger design that makes excellent use of radiant heat in the herb chamber. The Apollo is a big mass of metal so it holds a lot of heat. The 6 intake holes or "craters" send the air through that mass (I'd like to see more detail on the inner geometry) and out the 6 smaller holes on the bottom. The output holes are facing the sides of the funnel shaped bowl chamber which I assume creates some sort of very even convection effect before it hits the herb. Combine that with the fact that the interior surfaces and air inside the bowl chamber are at vaporization temperatures themselves, and you've got a true weapon of mass extraction.

Log vapes like the PD work really well because their bowls get hot and provide effective conductive heat which pre-heats the herb and gets the resin nice and melty. When the user draws hot air through the herb it vaporizes much faster than it would with convection alone.

With the Sublimator you've got a powerful trifecta of convection, radiation, and conduction (my completely uneducated guess would be 60/30/10). I believe this is one of the reasons that the unit works so well and vaporizes so quickly. As you can see in the many Sublimator videos that have been posted here, when the user starts inhaling, the bong milks up instantly. You're really able to extract the majority of the goodies quickly in one potent blast with no pre-milking. It hits like a mutant log vape on steroids.

There may be other things going on, but I think that the Sublimator mainly owes its superior extraction to its triple threat heat transfer design. It's really effective. So far I've also found that the spent material appears to be lighter in color that I would expect based on other vaporizers. Maybe this is due in part to the radiant heat factor. I've found browning to be very uniform even without stirring, and the vape works well with even the tiniest loads. Impressive.

I've only had the vape for 2 days and it's already become my favorite big hitter right beside the Cloud. I find the Cloud to have the edge on purity of taste -- it's got an all glass heat exchanger and is primarily convection which I think is the reason for that. While not quite on par purity wise, the Sub delivers exquisitely sharp and concentrated flavor in its one-shot extractions which are further amplified when taken dry. I need to do a lot more testing, but I've also found dry hits to be surprisingly smooth with the Sub. I've also been able to get good low-temp blue vapor. In short the flavor is kick ass!

I can see some potential complaints about the price based on the somewhat minimal appearance of the unit/build. Just keep in mind that it's not fair to compare this to a walmart product. You need to consider the amount of time, money, effort, and risk that were required to get this from an idea to a product on your desk. Do I think that $500 is a fair price based on the performance this provides in relation to what else is out there? Yes.

It's a powerful tool for the serious vaporist's toolbox. It requires respect, but it extracts potent vapor in spades. And I haven't even gotten into how good it is at vaping concentrates. The ability to do it along with your herb is fucking amazing. :ko:

Two big thumbs up to Enrico and the Sublimator team for creating a unique and powerful extraction machine. This thing is the real deal. :tup:

 

Tweek

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Excellent write up vtac...I find it hard to contain my excitement about this vape. Once it's all set up on a nice glass piece and humming along...it's a blast. I still get a kick out of taking a big rip and dumping out a perfectly toasted bowl. :D
 

green2brown

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Is everyone's Apollo handle covered like in vtac's photos? Mine only has the last inch of the handle covered. Not sure that it matters really. Just a cosmetic difference.
 
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Is everyone's Apollo handle covered like in vtac's photos? Mine only has the last inch of the handle covered. Not sure that it matters really. Just a cosmetic difference.


Mine is like Vtacs...but like you say, I don't think it matters much, as the handle stays cool fairly far up. Probably more for keeping the cables shielded.
 
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Mine is wrapped up further then vtacs by a inch or less. Personally, I like having it further up the handle.

I have been able to use the Sublmiator today exclusively. Using around the same material, but the pain levels are a bit more today. That could be many many many different factors... so taking that with a grain of salt.

Do others feel like there is less chest expansion feeling from the Sublimator versus others?
 
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