Breathemetal
Well-Known Member
Ok whats up with the new mini kiss pen?
Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.
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@ED421 the Okeanos kits are ready and started shipping out, but the upgrade kits are not ready. They will be shipped out in the next two weeks and we hope to ship out by the October 1st.
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You must email me the reviews so that I can post them on the site.
@ED421 the Okeanos kits are ready and started shipping out, but the upgrade kits are not ready. They will be shipped out in the next two weeks and we hope to ship out by the October 1st.
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Darb
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I think the SR-71 with the Iris is the best vaporizer you have put out.
Beanporn
Well-Known Member
What is the accepted resistance range for the herc sr-74x and okeanos?
Beanporn
Well-Known Member
I've had a chance to play with the new okeanos and my first impressions are overwhelmingly positive. This is a quality piece from top to bottom. It was very easy to assemble after a quick read of the instruction manual. It feels very sturdy and well made.
I was putting too much water in initially and getting wet draws it was no bueno. After a rec from gary I lowered the water level and slowed my draw. I was rewarded with tasty thick rips. I've loaded very little into it and the 3.7 kiss cart vapes it nice and slow. I'm holding the button for a good 2-3 seconds to melt the wax and then I'll pulse the button and get a nice pull.
I love my herc and I have no reason to change my daily driver but this piece has a place in my collection. I could see this as a nice change of pace piece. I could see using it with a special concentrate to get the full flavor out of it. That is where it shines; the flavor is pure. I see limitations in its portability just because of the glass. This piece will sit in my office and I'll break it out for my tastiest of concentrates and special occasions.
Ti kiss carts have less wraps around the wick.
@Beanporn glad we got it resolved, with all the stuff coming out and once we get the 4th gen Persei tops up and running we should be done with all reliability issues, and finish up the Iris and nail this year.
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darkrom
Great Scott!
This signature required shit just kinda ruined the weekend. For a simple oil coil the USPS just rang my doorbell at 8am. By the time I hobbled my busted back down the stairs to the door they had taken off with my oil coil because I couldn't sign for a 10$ part.
Super incredibly frustrating to have to be home to sign for something so dirt cheap, especially when I routinely get expensive packages left for me. Combine that with the useless tracking from USPS and well its a horrible user experience. The USPS is very difficult and unreliable. Now I'm wondering what happens to my oil coil. It gets shipped back and I get to pay again to try once again to get it from a garbage delivery company? Waiting for a signature package from USPS is basically like saying take a 3 day span off from work and sit at the front door.
Super disapointed that this means I STILL can't use my W9 stuff. As a result there will be a ThermoVape demo at hempfest for a large group of patients who are expecting me to demo the best of the best oil vapes.
I hate to say it but everything so far has been MUCH more difficult than it had to be. $200 or so and almost a month long process to try to get a complicated device set up to vape oil. I'm gunna start pulling my hair out soon. Yeah it was inconvenient to send my cera cart in for a rebuild once, but at least I got to use the thing!
Really w9 PLEASE consider using some better shipping methods. I knew having to be home to sign for every package I get was going to be a major hassle. In this case alone its costing a HUGE publicity loss because I can't demo a product that I can't use. I won't suggest a product to other patients if im having miserable luck myself so far. I keep hearing how great it is but between the DOA charger, complicated everything, missing parts, shitty tasting EO carts and constant revisions to things I'm seriously left wondering what other potential problems I can run into before I finally get to try this vape out.
If this herc setup isn't the 2nd coming of gozer good, then I'm going to be HUGELY dissapointed.
Super incredibly frustrating to have to be home to sign for something so dirt cheap, especially when I routinely get expensive packages left for me. Combine that with the useless tracking from USPS and well its a horrible user experience. The USPS is very difficult and unreliable. Now I'm wondering what happens to my oil coil. It gets shipped back and I get to pay again to try once again to get it from a garbage delivery company? Waiting for a signature package from USPS is basically like saying take a 3 day span off from work and sit at the front door.
Super disapointed that this means I STILL can't use my W9 stuff. As a result there will be a ThermoVape demo at hempfest for a large group of patients who are expecting me to demo the best of the best oil vapes.
I hate to say it but everything so far has been MUCH more difficult than it had to be. $200 or so and almost a month long process to try to get a complicated device set up to vape oil. I'm gunna start pulling my hair out soon. Yeah it was inconvenient to send my cera cart in for a rebuild once, but at least I got to use the thing!
Really w9 PLEASE consider using some better shipping methods. I knew having to be home to sign for every package I get was going to be a major hassle. In this case alone its costing a HUGE publicity loss because I can't demo a product that I can't use. I won't suggest a product to other patients if im having miserable luck myself so far. I keep hearing how great it is but between the DOA charger, complicated everything, missing parts, shitty tasting EO carts and constant revisions to things I'm seriously left wondering what other potential problems I can run into before I finally get to try this vape out.
If this herc setup isn't the 2nd coming of gozer good, then I'm going to be HUGELY dissapointed.
darkrom
Great Scott!
I'll try that for Monday, hopefully they try to deliver it again and don't just return it to w9. Thanks.
Just frustrated that seemingly everything that can go wrong with w9 stuff does for me. I'm half expecting this stuff to just stop working for good soon with the luck I have. My dual top is cutting in and out already too so that's probably another bad part. I've had it for about a week and used it with the kiss cart (to try to not feel like I have 2 Perseis and a ss for no reason still). It sometimes fires sometimes doesn't.
I'm really not having any good luck with anything other than the minicron lite, which is basically just a bigger less stealthy version of the same design I had from my headshop.
I'm trying so hard to make this shit work. I WANT to love w9. I'm trying to force myself to love it but so far I still can't even use the pile of shit ive had to buy to transition to being a w9 user. My nice replacement charger. I literally have a drawer full of w9 stuff and can't use anything other than their cheap load as you go pen. Feels shitty.
What also feels shitty is being left with just the cera. If ThermoVape was in business I'd order a spare EO cart and be done with this all already. Then gladly pay to have carts rebuilt every 6 months. At least then shit would just work as expected and be simple as can be.
Just frustrated that seemingly everything that can go wrong with w9 stuff does for me. I'm half expecting this stuff to just stop working for good soon with the luck I have. My dual top is cutting in and out already too so that's probably another bad part. I've had it for about a week and used it with the kiss cart (to try to not feel like I have 2 Perseis and a ss for no reason still). It sometimes fires sometimes doesn't.
I'm really not having any good luck with anything other than the minicron lite, which is basically just a bigger less stealthy version of the same design I had from my headshop.
I'm trying so hard to make this shit work. I WANT to love w9. I'm trying to force myself to love it but so far I still can't even use the pile of shit ive had to buy to transition to being a w9 user. My nice replacement charger. I literally have a drawer full of w9 stuff and can't use anything other than their cheap load as you go pen. Feels shitty.
What also feels shitty is being left with just the cera. If ThermoVape was in business I'd order a spare EO cart and be done with this all already. Then gladly pay to have carts rebuilt every 6 months. At least then shit would just work as expected and be simple as can be.
I feel your pain. My W9 journey began rather roughly as well. ( I had an Omicron HVD and bought the Hercules SR-71 and a 3.7 v rod thinking that would be it. I ended up having to buy The Core just to use the Herc. Then I had to buy a Persei to be portable. Then batteries and SS kit. Mostly my woes were due to my lack of knowledge of what I was buying. I had a KISS cart die after literally 2 loads. W9 replaced it, no problem. I have had my Persei top fixed twice.). The bottom line is the customer care and quality products have made me a loyal customer. I can think of no better products for me for concentrates!
Honestly I think a lot of the issues could have been avoided by buying the newer units that are currently available instead of buying from eBay I mean no disrespect but you could still end up frying a v1 top running a herc on it if there's a short I started with an ophos and made my own mistakes loading an eo cart with bubble hash then I ordered the persei/herc aw18350's and nobody in jersey had any oil so I had to learn to make my own now I've got a herc I'm hitting daily and sharing with a bunch of people there's a definite learning curve but it's an amazing product
darkrom
Great Scott!
I agree the customer service is literally some of the best. If it wasn't I'd say fuck this and sell it all LOL. I KNOW they will take care of me, but that just kills me because I know they are a nice company, and all the reviews say its worth it, but it needs to be easier to get started is all.
They should sell a noob kit. Just a buy this kit to vape good oils. Everything about buying the wrong parts would be eliminated. I'd gladly have paid for the new charger I needed if they told me it would be less disappointing lol. They should keep selling parts the way they do (awesome that you can buy mostly any single part) and also add bundles IMO. A new persei or 8 + herc + actually decent battery charger + the suggested AW batteries not some almost good enough ones etc. From there it eliminates all this buying the wrong stuff, and lets the more advanced users buy individual things.
Thats where I keep feeling the cera was a much better experience. I ordered what it clearly said I needed, and I got it and it just worked lol. I love the idea of in home rebuildability so I don't get stuck with the last cera ever (luckily it was JUST rebuilt!) but I need a functional product first before I care about rebuilding it.
I still believe the herc will be worth the wait and hassles when I get it up and going, if for no other reason than its a large capacity oil vape with a company still standing behind it. I just have to be honest about how frustrating the process getting there has been. Some unavoidable, some not.
If I were to leave 2 pieces of feedbacks to W9 it'd be please please please offer a "customer favorites or Suggested packages" choice to make it easier. If you think the stock charger sucks just sell and suggest a good one. Many people would want it to work right out of the box better than piece it together. Why not offer both ways? The other would be please reconsider the USPS signature stuff. I just don't get why my $250 smart watch doesn't need a signature but my vape parts do? I heard people complain about this in the past, but it wasn't a personal issue to me back then. Now I see how annoying it can be. I really wanted to demo the persei to patients tomorrow since I could tell them how to get one and it'd be good for you to get more exposure (something I'm happy to do thanks to great customer service) but also for the patients, so they have a good reliable option. Sadly I guarantee if I demo'd my EO cart that I didn't oxidize because I didn't know I had to, then I'd be doing actual harm to your rep. Its unsuitable. I'd try the other one but I have my doubts with it being an old cart, and franky I can't gamble 0.6g+ again. If I bring the cera yeah they will all love it and so will I, but that kills me that its not going to last forever...
So I love you guys w9, but this process is way harder than it should be. When its all said and done I'll have what I want, until the 8 comes out...and the new more reliable tops for the persei etc etc.
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Ugh this isn't good either. STILL not done buying upgrading and replacing? How likely am I to fry a V1 top. I'm getting less and less interested with each new problem. Of course there are literally no competitors making oil vapes I want to use anymore, so not many options there. The ebay one was direct from uptech btw.
Even the current persei on the site isn't the new V4 top apparently. This is what I mean about it always being a bad time to buy. Its like every product for sale has bugs that will only be fixed by the next version that is coming out real soon. I never feel CONFIDENT in my purchases and that isn't a good feeling.
They should sell a noob kit. Just a buy this kit to vape good oils. Everything about buying the wrong parts would be eliminated. I'd gladly have paid for the new charger I needed if they told me it would be less disappointing lol. They should keep selling parts the way they do (awesome that you can buy mostly any single part) and also add bundles IMO. A new persei or 8 + herc + actually decent battery charger + the suggested AW batteries not some almost good enough ones etc. From there it eliminates all this buying the wrong stuff, and lets the more advanced users buy individual things.
Thats where I keep feeling the cera was a much better experience. I ordered what it clearly said I needed, and I got it and it just worked lol. I love the idea of in home rebuildability so I don't get stuck with the last cera ever (luckily it was JUST rebuilt!) but I need a functional product first before I care about rebuilding it.
I still believe the herc will be worth the wait and hassles when I get it up and going, if for no other reason than its a large capacity oil vape with a company still standing behind it. I just have to be honest about how frustrating the process getting there has been. Some unavoidable, some not.
If I were to leave 2 pieces of feedbacks to W9 it'd be please please please offer a "customer favorites or Suggested packages" choice to make it easier. If you think the stock charger sucks just sell and suggest a good one. Many people would want it to work right out of the box better than piece it together. Why not offer both ways? The other would be please reconsider the USPS signature stuff. I just don't get why my $250 smart watch doesn't need a signature but my vape parts do? I heard people complain about this in the past, but it wasn't a personal issue to me back then. Now I see how annoying it can be. I really wanted to demo the persei to patients tomorrow since I could tell them how to get one and it'd be good for you to get more exposure (something I'm happy to do thanks to great customer service) but also for the patients, so they have a good reliable option. Sadly I guarantee if I demo'd my EO cart that I didn't oxidize because I didn't know I had to, then I'd be doing actual harm to your rep. Its unsuitable. I'd try the other one but I have my doubts with it being an old cart, and franky I can't gamble 0.6g+ again. If I bring the cera yeah they will all love it and so will I, but that kills me that its not going to last forever...
So I love you guys w9, but this process is way harder than it should be. When its all said and done I'll have what I want, until the 8 comes out...and the new more reliable tops for the persei etc etc.
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Ugh this isn't good either. STILL not done buying upgrading and replacing? How likely am I to fry a V1 top. I'm getting less and less interested with each new problem. Of course there are literally no competitors making oil vapes I want to use anymore, so not many options there. The ebay one was direct from uptech btw.
Even the current persei on the site isn't the new V4 top apparently. This is what I mean about it always being a bad time to buy. Its like every product for sale has bugs that will only be fixed by the next version that is coming out real soon. I never feel CONFIDENT in my purchases and that isn't a good feeling.
DaNi_DuB
Vapor Enthusiast
Your problem is that you got a unit that was two generations old. Most of your problems could have been avoided simply by buying from the w9 website. Herc + persei + aw batteries & that's it, not to sure how much simpler it could be. Also, as a business in the vaporizer industry, W9 assumes much more liability with their product than let's say Google selling you a watch. Which is why a signature is required.
Edit: Just wanted to add that there is NOTHING wrong with the current or old tops (except for the v1's not working with the herc), they just add new features. I've had zero problems with my v2 top.
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IMO it is never a bad time to buy products from a company that continues to innovate and stand behind their products. The wheels of progress and innovation must keep turning. If they did not, we would never have even had anything better than a Gpen (or some other subpar 
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My iPhone works great , but that doesn't mean that apple should stop there and rest on their laurels. Same applies with W9. That said it IS hard to see a new product or improvement and not buy it or feel like I must have it.
The V1 top was designed well before the Hercules SR-xx so it is understandable that it may not be able to handle the Herc-ness. I was sent a V3R-xxx replacement top for the one that died. It is great, with improved button and 5-click shutoff option.
Anyway.. I know that none of this helps your situation.
I wish I could lend you mine just so you could spread the Gospel according to Herc.
)My iPhone works great , but that doesn't mean that apple should stop there and rest on their laurels. Same applies with W9. That said it IS hard to see a new product or improvement and not buy it or feel like I must have it.
The V1 top was designed well before the Hercules SR-xx so it is understandable that it may not be able to handle the Herc-ness. I was sent a V3R-xxx replacement top for the one that died. It is great, with improved button and 5-click shutoff option.
Anyway.. I know that none of this helps your situation.
I wish I could lend you mine just so you could spread the Gospel according to Herc.
StormyPinkness
Rhymenocerous ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
Ordering.
darkrom
Great Scott!
IMO it is never a bad time to buy products from a company that continues to innovate and stand behind their products. The wheels of progress and innovation must keep turning. If they did not, we would never have even had anything better than a Gpen (or some other subpar
My iPhone works great , but that doesn't mean that apple should stop there and rest on their laurels. Same applies with W9. That said it IS hard to see a new product or improvement and not buy it or feel like I must have it.
The V1 top was designed well before the Hercules SR-xx so it is understandable that it may not be able to handle the Herc-ness. I was sent a V3R-xxx replacement top for the one that died. It is great, with improved button and 5-click shutoff option.
Anyway.. I know that none of this helps your situation.
Thanks man. I know I'll be happy with it eventually, but how is a new user to know which revision tops they are on when it doesn't say anywhere etc? How would a new user know that a V1 top wouldn't power a herc etc. Seems like I'm definitely learning the vape, but it feels like the only way to learn is piss away my money. Learned EO carts need to be V2+ apparently by wasting .8g oil. Learned you need a better battery charger when mine died first day and I had to pay for a new one. Learned my 3 tops I have on my 2 perseis and 1 SS kit (seems like a lot of gear to me to be invested when still can't use it) are probably all shit and will short on the more modern attachments. Thats a lot of learning by paying, and it doesn't sound like I'm done yet. I wish I knew more about the 8 when thermovape closing sent me into a panic. I'd have waited to get a mechanical body that will likely avoid a lot of these issues in the first place :/ I wish I could start over ditch all my stuff and just order when a 8 released and get whatever version herc is out by then. Mechanical is easier and in general more reliable. I'd have just used my cera until that was ready. If only we had time machines right?
If I do end up loving the herc and getting used to it, I can see myself selling my perseis and just sticking to the 8 if that does in turn come out more reliable.
bdmonkeyj3w
Well-Known Member
I got a used v1 persei kit and it has held up using with 3.7 herc just fine. Even when passed around to asshats that treat it like a fucking e-go p.o.s. just a lil reclaim in the chamber. One more q for you @THC SCIENTIFIC, will the 8 top be available for purchase seperate from the whole kit? Im just gonna be screwing it on my ss anyway(if it fits) and really dont plan on using it for anything but the herc... forgive if this question was asked already. I try to keep up.
I went 4 years without medicating before I jumped into the vape pen world I spend the last year of those 4 reading this and many other forums to make sure I bought the most reliable vape and while I can't believe the insane amount of bad luck you've had I'm confident the herc will make you a very happy man when all is said and done
The 8 Tops where available to order as a stand alone top a 2.5 months ago. In return for ordering the tops we surprised everyone that purchased the tops with free units.
The tops itself will not be sold stand alone anymore as they only come with the kits.
@darkrom we do understand your concern, we do have UPS and Fedex as a shipping option i dont know what else we can do in short of getting drones to deliver it for us.
As far as what people are saying is this let me explain.
The original v1 perseis circuit boards where not designed to handle the Hercules sr71's. If anyone accidentally messed up on the assembly the tops would fry.
The second Generation tops where built to handle a little bit better loads and heat but still was not the top for the Hercules.
The Hammer Top was designed for the Hammer so it can handle the loads and such and very reliable top, but the issue is it does not have the 5 click on/off feature and when in pocket it can turn on and stay on for 2 minutes.
Third Gen tops where specifically designed for the Hercules worked great, but because of the circuit boards being really good it showed us other stress points that would fail.
Now the 4th Gen tops take into account of all the failure points of the previous generations and is improved upon.
Now that being said, we constantly improve because we listen to our customers. with every production batch we tweak. We cant afford to wait a year or two to fix an issue we only see with mass production and mass feedback.
What this has helped us to do is design a modular vaporizer that when a part comes in to get repaired we can repair it to new specs.
What this also does is when someone lets say has a 3 year old Persei and it does not work, he does not need to purchase a new one. All he has to do is send it in for service. He will automatically get the latest and greates parts for the Persei and receive 1 year free service.
Please just hang in there and use the v1 top carefully.
Always make sure your Herc is ready proper resistance and dont over tighten it on the Persei, and you should be good until we can get the 4th gen tops ready and here to start upgrading people.
SamuraiSam
Extraction Technician
Read this thread. Before I started spending money on up tech gear I did a litttle research by reading the last few pages of this thread. Then when I had a lil more time I went back and read the last 100 pgs. Only a true nerd would read all 900 plus pages, but once I had some gear I vaped a lot of oil and powered through. . At that point I had a near complete understanding of the history of the persei and all its parts, then immediately began forgetting it all .
Now I try to regurgitate information from earlier on for those who have not read it & getting corrected when my mind or comprehension fails me.Between how much time Gary spends doing personal support here, the "search" function to look up answers to your questions (many of them are frequently asked) the many experienced users who can help point ya in the right direction, and the fact that you could file a ticket on their site or pick up the phone and call them with any questions 5 days a week- there's a lot of support there. After 2yrs of using my Omicron I had some frustrations when my HVD stuff for the Omi broke and then my first V1 Persei kit failed very quickly. But I was back up and running in a week or so each time. The minor headaches go away quickly, believe me.
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OB
Well-Known Member
Had trouble chasing the USPS man down, but finally got my hands on the okeanos. Like beanporn I'm extremely satisfied with the quality of the unit. The packaging seems to be of higher quality now too. Does the unit come witg a Ti kiss? I dont think mine is because its wrapped 7x for 2.2 ohms. Which is ok, especially since the vapor is still extremely flavorful. The instructions say the water level should not exceed 1/8 inch below the deflector dish. So far for me that is too much. 1/4 inch below the dish and I still had the water all discharge through the unit and my kiss cart leaking out onto my iris the first time, and my lap the second. It is entirely possible I caused this with improper assembly, but haven't seen how yet. Currently though with the recommended level around the bottom of the u on the glass it works great. Since I got rid of my 71 this will be my daily driver, so I'm sure the odds of me breaking the glass are high. Will replacement glass be available, and can they be a little thicker? Also I remember hearing you needed an okeanos specific kiss cart. Is this just different ohm value because it seems identical to the one I already have. Overall I'm happy I preordered. Can't wait to see what the triton will turn this beast into. Also wasn't it supposed to come with white orings? Or do I need to purchase the upgrade kit?
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