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Porquiplane

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Porq the ss tube is never made for 7.4v. Only the original tube is made for 7.4v

That is why the spring never had a chance to collapse to prevent a vent.

Never knew that. Mostly used it just for 3.7 anyways, was never much of a 7.4v user.


Could even a minor gap between This piece (the piece that the rod screws into to) and the black base cause a short? Though i believe it was fully assembled i never knew (the piece that the rod screws into with the white piece) could come out. The video was kind of fuzzy and hard to tell what everything is.

And now with the video (webcam September 3rd) watched over 5 times and the sr71 assembly watched about 5 as well, i reassembled the entire thing. Even before i retested with Multimeter (Commercial Electric model MAS830B [ red lead in center, black lead on right] {dial at 200 OHM})
It is reading out .3.

I have no fucking idea. But its rather irritating i blew the battery and screw cap. And its reading out below what it should. Maybe i messed up in the beginning, maybe i messed up now, or maybe its messed up.

I have the old stock 18350's and the original persei tube. I guess thats the next step. test on there and shit, maybe my luck will change. that or ill end up blowing my single top to add to tonight excitement.:bang:
 
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PhotoRider

Diagnosed with level 11 G.A.S.
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As my luck would have it, immediately after typing this post I tried something new that seems to have fixed my problem (for now).

With the Heater Core fully assembled, I turned it's bottom screw very slightly counter-clockwise. It was gurgling just before this. Now it's hitting like a newborn Herc.

Will post back in a few hits with progress report.

intermittent power connection maybe causing the issues and poor power control caused by it. Leaking is caused by that...
 

Atomsk

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intermittent power connection maybe causing the issues and poor power control caused by it. Leaking is caused by that...

Precisely. Enough for the rod to melt the oil, but not vape. At least, what I think was happening was the rod was taking longer than it should have to heat, and, while it reached vape point eventually, the extra warm time gave the oil a chance to run away from the heat.

Damn. I was reclaiming constantly for, like, two weeks. You lucky engineers and your relevant knowledge to these devices.

Never knew that. Mostly used it just for 3.7 anyways, was never much of a 7.4v user.


Could even a minor gap between This piece (the piece that the rod screws into to) and the black base cause a short? Though i believe it was fully assembled i never knew (the piece that the rod screws into with the white piece) could come out. The video was kind of fuzzy and hard to tell what everything is.

And now with the video (webcam September 3rd) watched over 5 times and the sr71 assembly watched about 5 as well, i reassembled the entire thing. Even before i retested with Multimeter (Commercial Electrical model MAS830B [ red lead in center, black lead on right] {dial at 200 OHM})
It is reading out .3.

I have no fucking idea. But its rather irritating i blew the battery and screw cap. And its reading out below what it should. Maybe i messed up in the beginning, maybe i messed up now, or maybe its messed up.

I have the old stock 18350's and the original persei tube. I guess thats the next step. test on there and shit, maybe my luck will change. that or ill end up blowing my single top to add to tonight excitement.:bang:

Alright, so as I understand it you still have two good batteries, one good top, and the original Persei body. That's everything you need, man.

Make sure the old 18350's are fully charged. Are they the trustfire or AW imr?

Your assembly seems fine. So long as the slotted shaft that receives the ceramic rod (the one with the white piece at it's base, was fully screwed in and causing the bottom screw to rotate with it, you were fine. If not, I can only a slight gap wouldn't short the Herc, but act like mine and not provide sufficient power.

Finally, the short likely occurred because you used the old tops, which are known to do this with the Herc (which was designed for the new tops), and because you used the longer SS tube with two 18350's. This is exactly what happened to me my first session. It pissed me off too, but luckily, you have more resources than me.

Go ahead and assemble the Herc again, making sure that 1) the receiving slot with the white base piece is screwed in enough that the bottom screw turns with it, 2) all pieces with text have the H from "Hercules" at the bottom, 3) the rod has a sliver of the tungsten strip exposed when placing it in the top chamber, 4) the silver cap is placed on the Hercules heater core after the PTFE shell, and then the mouthpiece (with a few threads unscrewed) is screwed on top of that.

Use the original Persei tube which will give you more "blink" time before venting batteries if you are going to short again (which actually might happen since it's an old dual top).

The user @Caligula saw a sold two months of use with his old tops though. You might get the same from the double top.
 
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Never knew that. Mostly used it just for 3.7 anyways, was never much of a 7.4v user.


Could even a minor gap between This piece (the piece that the rod screws into to) and the black base cause a short? Though i believe it was fully assembled i never knew (the piece that the rod screws into with the white piece) could come out. The video was kind of fuzzy and hard to tell what everything is.

And now with the video (webcam September 3rd) watched over 5 times and the sr71 assembly watched about 5 as well, i reassembled the entire thing. Even before i retested with Multimeter (Commercial Electrical model MAS830B [ red lead in center, black lead on right] {dial at 200 OHM})
It is reading out .3.

I have no fucking idea. But its rather irritating i blew the battery and screw cap. And its reading out below what it should. Maybe i messed up in the beginning, maybe i messed up now, or maybe its messed up.

I have the old stock 18350's and the original persei tube. I guess thats the next step. test on there and shit, maybe my luck will change. that or ill end up blowing my single top to add to tonight excitement.:bang:


Do not worry we will get you up and running.

Please stop what you are doing. I am going to be out of the office tomorrow and want to do a Skype session when I get back is that possible?

I pretty much know what's going on and just like I say these old tops are not made for the Hercules. Many deficiencies.

The bottom spring is like a fuse you can purchase more.

The batteries you can purchase more. What you need is new tops.

Is your unit under warranty?
 

PhotoRider

Diagnosed with level 11 G.A.S.
Damn. I was reclaiming constantly for, like, two weeks. You lucky engineers and your relevant knowledge to these devices.
Not sure it is good to be lucky there :) Like Dilbert says OMG he has the knack, poor thing. Is there help for that...

BTW - been there, done that. I had similar issues so you are not alone. I also broke my Nibbler-XL within a hour after opening the box....
 

Porquiplane

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EDIT

I dont have skype. And unit is out of warranty by near 6 months. i got it almost 3 years ago.
 
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You got it.

Since you have been a patient man waiting for the 1701's I'm gonna give you the bottom spring for free. As for the tops I would suggest you take advantage of the warranty service and send in your original Persei the one with the adjustable spring plate, and duel and double tops even if they are working and for $65 we will refurbish your whole unit to 2013 specs and you'll have another year of trouble free operation, and I promise you that ill get your Herc up and running.

And if you even want ill ask management if they can throw in a black rod for $10. This way you'll save around $20 and can now use the ss tubes correctly at 3.7v.
 

Porquiplane

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Since you have been a patient man waiting for the 1701's I'm gonna give you the bottom spring for free. As for the tops I would suggest you take advantage of the warranty service and send in your original Persei the one with the adjustable spring plate, and duel and double tops even if they are working and for $65 we will refurbish your whole unit to 2013 specs and you'll have another year of trouble free operation, and I promise you that ill get your Herc up and running.

And if you even want ill ask management if they can throw in a black rod for $10. This way you'll save around $20 and can now use the ss tubes correctly at 3.7v.

That sounds manageable and its appreciated. So youd need the single top, the double top, the body, the battery cap and the adjustable spring plate? Want the original box too? And id just keep the 18650 SS body and the now blown SS 'upgraded' battery cap? Just want to make sure i got it correct. Just lemme know what needs to be done and you got it. Id definitely grab the black rod.

EDIT: Id also have to grab another AW IMR 18350 to replace the blown one. Always liked 3.7v better. Always seemed like less impending death near my face.
 
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That sounds manageable and its appreciated. So youd need the single top, the double top, the body, the battery cap and the adjustable spring plate? Want the original box too? And id just keep the 18650 SS body and the now blown SS 'upgraded' battery cap? Just want to make sure i got it correct. Just lemme know what needs to be done and you got it. Id definitely grab the black rod.

EDIT: Id also have to grab another AW IMR 18350 to replace the blown one. Always liked 3.7v better. Always seemed like less impending death near my face.


I would need all the tops, the springs, and tubes (none ss tubes) the rest you can keep.

Call in tomorrow ask to speak to Naomi and I'll let her know or you can point here to this post, that I said a free ss tube bottom cap, black rod for $10 and warranty upgrade for $65.

Now when she charges you I want you to ship it all back minus the ss tubes with a not saying we are going to upgrade your original tube and tops.
 

Porquiplane

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I would need all the tops, the springs, and tubes (none ss tubes) the rest you can keep.

Call in tomorrow ask to speak to Naomi and I'll let her know or you can point here to this post, that I said a free ss tube bottom cap, black rod for $10 and warranty upgrade for $65.

Now when she charges you I want you to ship it all back minus the ss tubes with a not saying we are going to upgrade your original tube and tops.

You got it. Wrote the note, packed it up, now to call it in.
 
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Silver420Surfer

Downward spiral
Did you burn thru your buffer if so small little dabs wont produce much, Ive noticed you have to overly load it up or it wont work, loading like a generously(not to efficient) loaded coil is the way to go.
Batteries for sure are an issues, after one or 2 uses it has already drained most of the juice unless your using panasonic cgr18650ch (3.7v mode)or something (at least mine hold up better than the AW)
http://vapor-mania.com/Panasonic-CGR-18650-p307.html
AW are great for 18350's but the 18650 market has many options

Are these the same as you are recommending above?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BTK68SS?ie=UTF8&seller=A2ULLSF7VWONFR&sn=ORBTRONIC

Thanks!
 
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I would need all the tops, the springs, and tubes (none ss tubes) the rest you can keep.

Call in tomorrow ask to speak to Naomi and I'll let her know or you can point here to this post, that I said a free ss tube bottom cap, black rod for $10 and warranty upgrade for $65.

Now when she charges you I want you to ship it all back minus the ss tubes with a not saying we are going to upgrade your original tube and tops.

Spoke with Naomi. Very nice gal. Got things squared away. I did the warranty upgrade, and all is well! This is why i stick with just D9/W9 stuff. You always do right by the customer.

Now i got to go ship it out. I included the note INSIDE the persei box, with the double top, single top, original tube, old bottom cap, and adjustable spring plate. Thats all that was requested, so here it goes.

Lets go!

****EDIT: Forgot to tell her about the AW IMR 18350 battery too! Dammit.
 
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Spoke with Naomi. Very nice gal. Got things squared away. I did the warranty upgrade, and all is well! This is why i stick with just D9/W9 stuff. You always do right by the customer.

Now i got to go ship it out. I included the note INSIDE the persei box, with the double top, single top, original tube, old bottom cap, and adjustable spring plate. Thats all that was requested, so here it goes.

Lets go!

****EDIT: Forgot to tell her about the AW IMR 18350 battery too! Dammit.

Call her back up we can adjust things ya know.
 

Hedonismbot

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Hi everybody. Longtime lurker, first time poster.

I have a Persei and a Hercules SR-71 and wanted to post about my initial experience at getting it up and running. I upgraded my old Persei tops and original Herc at the same time so I am using the latest and greatest protected tops. I’m also using AW IMR 18350s to power this beast.

Let me just say right off that I’m loving my Persei/Herc combo! I’ve found the groove where I get consistent big hits after just a few seconds on the button. And I get these hits all day from loading about 0.12g of wax at a time. A pair of batteries also lasts through the day. I swap batteries when I reload the oil. I am only in the middle of my second gram of oil but already the Persei/Herc has become my go to vape. The flavor of top quality oil is excellent.

It seems to me to be pretty efficient too. The way I look at efficiency is that the concentrates I get are about 80% THC and the flowers I get are at least 20% THC so I should get 4 times the medication from the same weight of oil, amirite? In my Solo I use about 0.1g of flower per session and have 3-4 sessions per day. I figure I get 4-5 sessions from my 0.12g of oil in the Herc. So efficiency seems to be in the same ball park as my Solo, which is remarkable to me!

I never cared about stealth before because I always vape at home (tho I highly value cordless operation) but I tried using my Herc while walking my dog in the morning and it worked very well and was quite fun. It is pretty stealthy in appearance but the fact that one can get medicated so quickly with the Herc really enhances it’s stealthiness, IMO. Before anyone can wonder what I’m doing it’s already back in my pocket.

I still have not used my Iris (v1) top or Nibbler XL yet with the SR71 so more fun still to be had! I also want to try loading .2 or .3g of oil at a time but I’m reluctant to change what is currently working so well.

Anyway, back to my initial experience which was not all positive…

I had no problems disassembling or reassembling the Herc but the number of very tiny parts does make me nervous that I will lose something (like a little PTFE washer) or damage something. I do love the fact that it can all be cleaned and leaked oil recovered.

I always try to assemble the Herc very carefully, not taking short cuts and conscious of the fact that I am building a circuit as well as doing a mechanical assembly. I always check the results with a DMM too (1.6 ohms). I have not experienced any shorts when using the herc on the Persei. I have experienced a few open circuits due to the bottom insulator not making a good contact as others have mentioned.

The oil coils are another story tho. I pretty much destroyed one just trying to get the cellophane wrapper off! I think these coils are much too fragile to be trimmed by the end user. I started with a coil that was about 40-45% and got wispy hits and oil leaking into the lower half of the cartridge with the shatter I was trying to vape. Then I cut the coil down to about 25-30% (a hair below the top of the rod) and the performance difference was dramatic. Both shatter and budder now vape great and I’m reluctant to change anything. The downside to trimmed coils, tho, is their fragility and more frequent loading of oil.

OK. To wrap this up, while I love my Persei/Herc combo I think several things could be improved.

1) The “threaded assembly” could be redesigned to not require end user dis/reassembly. These tiny parts are easy to damage or lose. I remember G said that the bottom insulator was being redesigned to make a more reliable contact. I think this threaded assembly design should be simplified also. It would go a long way to making the Herc idiot proof. As it is, whenever I unscrew the upper and lower half of the cartridge the threaded assembly also unscrews itself necessitating careful cleaning and reassembly of all those tiny parts. In the meantime, I wish that spare parts for this threaded assembly were also available to purchase on the W9 site.

2) The oil coils (or whatever replaces them) should come in small sizes that are appropriate for the thicker types of concentrates that people mostly use. Personally I like the coils. I just don’t like cutting these coils down to size while trying to keep them from unraveling.

3) The air intake path goes through the side of the heater core lower section and up through holes in the bottom of the upper section. This means that any leakage or overflow winds up covering all the little parts in the lower section. In the original Herc the air intakes were on the side of the upper section which made it easier to keep an eye on what was happening as far as oil leakage. If 1) above were fixed then this issue wouldn’t be so bad as it would be easier to disassemble the 2 halves of the Herc core.

Finally, I want to thank everyone on FC and the folks at W9 for all the knowledge shared and help offered. It’s saved me a lot of money and frustration. I feel my original investment in the Persei is now paying off big time. Now excuse me while I go walk the dog ;)!

Hedo
 

ataxian

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2) The oil coils (or whatever replaces them) should come in small sizes that are appropriate for the thicker types of concentrates that people mostly use. Personally I like the coils. I just don’t like cutting these coils down to size while trying to keep them from unraveling.Now excuse me while I go walk the dog ;)!

Hedo

Very nice report!

I have 2 HERCULES SR71's.
Not sure on the COIL?
So I need to cut it down to 30%?
SHATTER is what I will load.:lmao:
With the original HERCULES I loaded POLLEN PELLETS (HASH LIKE) without the TANKS.
It worked so well.
Now I need to learn all over again how to use the latest version.

Once I get it figured out I can take this thing with me when I walk my dog!

Thanks for the update!
 
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@ataxian I found that a coil which is flush with the rod (white rod, IDK about the black one) works well on my very stable shatters. For whatever reason (mass) If I cut it shorter than that I get issues with the coil getting sucked up off its base when I pull through the unit.

I also run a 40% coil with Shatter and it works great, I'm wondering if performance will increase if I trim mine. On a side note, I've had two out of six 18350 AW batteries stop working in my Persei, once with a 5.0 cart and once with the Herc. I mated the widows and they are working great. What happens is the pair will read dead, I'll charge them from red to green (about 4 hours) and the pair will still read dead when I put them in the Persei again. It's always been one of a pair that's the problem. Any tips?
 
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@THC SCIENTIFIC is there a way to lock down the position of the screws inside the PTFE insulator once we have managed to get everything in working order regarding pin position? I feel this would resolve some recurring issues for me.
 
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What happens is the pair will read dead, I'll charge them from red to green (about 4 hours) and the pair will still read dead when I put them in the Persei again. It's always been one of a pair that's the problem. Any tips?

I have a few sets of AW IMR 18350's i keep charged and ready for my BENDER.
The TRUST FIRE set I don't use due to failure with these.
I heard that the original tube is what we need to use with the SR71 setup.
The SS tube I use with the HAMMER TOP and the BENDER.

I guess I'm ready to fly the SR71!

Like Caligula say's the COIL should be flush with the WHITE ROD.

Give me 30 minute and I'll let you know if I get lucky?
@THC SCIENTIFIC is there a way to lock down the position of the screws inside the PTFE insulator once we have managed to get everything in working order regarding pin position? I feel this would resolve some recurring issues for me.
Can we use lock tight?
 

Caligula

Maximus
I have a few sets of AW IMR 18350's i keep charged and ready for my BENDER.
The TRUST FIRE set I don't use due to failure with these.
I heard that the original tube is what we need to use with the SR71 setup.
The SS tube I use with the HAMMER TOP and the BENDER.

I guess I'm ready to fly the SR71!

Like Caligula say's the COIL should be flush with the WHITE ROD.

Give me 30 minute and I'll let you know if I get lucky?

Can we use lock tight?

Give it a try... just don't use the red one ;)
 
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