Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.

gudiss

Well-Known Member
. Thank you for the info. Does this mean the AAF is no sitting flush therefore it wobbles up and down? If if does, maybe it's better not to run it? I run my herc AAF fully open so I don't need that AAF. SR71 old style.
if you run it open i would think the aff is doing nada. i am a little skeptical because i prefer to basically keep it as closed as possible-

just saw caligulas post, that is what i was thinking, a few pulls and some oil will hold it in place

I can say that I prefer my herc 71 dialed down with iris over the black rod and hammer....

Although it is nice to busy a herc on the shorty occasionally
so mud, are yo back to the black rod yet? or still toying with the 7.4?

opps, sorry about back to back posts, if i could fix i would??

mod note: Thanks for noticing. You can't fix it but you can report it so that I can. Done.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Fredster951

Well-Known Member
if you run it open i would think the aff is doing nada. i am a little skeptical because i prefer to basically keep it as closed as possible-

just saw caligulas post, that is what i was thinking, a few pulls and some oil will hold it in place
What benefits do you notice having the AAF washer fully closed??
 
Fredster951,

gudiss

Well-Known Member
What benefits do you notice having the AAF washer fully closed??
air to vapor ratio- the larger the openings the more air you pull into the chamber?

3.7v black rod + hammer top + core= excellent performance and taste!!
 
Last edited:
gudiss,

Hashassin

the uniBHOmber
So......I'm curious. It seems like most users of the herc predominantly use shatter and recommend it above other forms of concentrate for this device specific use. I exclusively make and use my own concentrates as well as providing to others, and I craft a wide variety of end product to suit various needs and preferences. I love shatter for many reasons but also love other oils for other reasons and a significant portion of my demand (which may be read; supply, accordingly) is not shatter. I can go into detail on what I generally keep around if needed but this post is starting to feel rather long. I would very much appreciate more on depth user results and feedback on vaping less stable oils. Especially tacky (partially decarbed) winterized which is tied for demand amongst my patients and medical friends with the shatter. I wouldn't mind reports on other consistency either, really all I have read about on the last nine hundred and two pages has been about good results with shatter, crumble not melting in without assistance and liquidy stuff leaking like hell.....I'd like to know more without being the man that pisses away a few ounces finding out alone.
 
Hashassin,

Caligula

Maximus
The herc will vape basically any concentrate. Personally, I prefer shatter because (IMO) dewaxed absolutes taste better and hit smoother. Furthermore, it's the easiest form of concentrate to load into the Hercules (ball it up and toss it in) and it melts down into the coil without excessively sticking to the walls of the heating chamber (I hate waxy crumbles and HC for this reason).

Then you also have the cool down and leaking factor. Stable shatter will go back to being somewhat stable shatter after you cool it down. Less viscous oils, on the other hand, are more prone to lead down into the reclaim chamber. What's more, on the average shatter needs Lee's cool down time which is always nice.

It also looks cool and is fun to play with. Just saying.

Cliffs Notes: For my Herc, shatter is all that matters.
 

Fredster951

Well-Known Member
^My experience with the hercules is it can vape any type of oil/wax. I have tried most types of oil/wax on the SR74 and it vapes them all with no trouble. Crumbles work great on the hercules, from my experience they just require a little more effort during the refill "priming" part. After the crumble melts it's smooth sailings every time you have a session. Runny oil work pretty good too. All types of oils/wax WILL LEAK if you do not do "cool down " hits. Once you learn the discipline of cool down hits it will never leak into the bottom chamber. Also store hercules on its side after it's cooled down. With a slight incline so oil it won't run into the mouth piece.
 
Last edited:

Hashassin

the uniBHOmber
Yeah, you've essentially listed most of the reasons I and others love shatter. No argument there. But taking into account what I have around at any given point and the amount I vape daily which seems above average for herc users I'm bound to feed the beast rather often with less than stable errl somewhat often. I want to know more about what I'm getting into, how beast to use it under those circumstances and how to deal with the associated complexities......unless the general consensus really does come down to, "only feed the beast shatter, our else" in which case I will have to adjust what I produce in a more selfish manner, and make more shatter.
 
Hashassin,
  • Like
Reactions: DieHard

SamuraiSam

Extraction Technician
I'm down with shatter but I think the flavor of some waxes and budder I've put in has been worth it. Some really shiny/reflective Candyband wax was some of the tastiest that's been through my -74 so far. I didn't find the loading particularly hard but a bit more time consuming as I lightly draw while melting in the wax, then pull apart and scrape the chamber, and then touch my dabber to the rod and melt the scrape off that way.


I was recently visiting some friends out of town. I'd brought two sets of batteries but as it turns out not much oil left with 2 coils. Started getting light hits, and nobody had any oil. But there was a ton of kief.

Scooped the kief straight into the -74- hard to gauge the amount, less than a quarter gram since its so fluffy you can't fit much- popped the cap on, melted it in, started puffing. Took quite a while to get vapor, but i Kept the button on, and was rewarded with some seriously effective vapor. Passed it around, and everyone was pretty stoked on the portable electric kief bubbler. Got 4 or 5 hits before reloading. Pretty stoked on the performance, it was my first time using anything besides butane extracts in the Herc.

Tonight its time to clean it up- I am guessing it'll be pretty dirty and I'll need to torch the coils. Any recommendations for a tool to hold the coil with while torching?
 
Last edited:

THC SCIENTIFIC

To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
Manufacturer
I'm down with shatter but I think the flavor of some waxes and budder I've put in has been worth it. Some really shiny/reflective Candyband wax was some of the tastiest that's been through my -74 so far. I didn't find the loading particularly hard but a bit more time consuming as I lightly draw while melting in the wax, then pull apart and scrape the chamber, and then touch my dabber to the rod and melt the scrape off that way.


I was recently visiting some friends out of town. I'd brought two sets of batteries but as it turns out not much oil left with 2 coils. Started getting light hits, and nobody had any oil. But there was a ton of kief.

Scooped the kief straight into the -74- hard to gauge the amount, less than a quarter gram since its so fluffy you can't fit much- popped the cap on, melted it in, started puffing. Took quite a while to get vapor, but i Kept the button on, and was rewarded with some seriously effective vapor. Passed it around, and everyone was pretty stoked on the portable electric kief vape bubbler. Got 4 or 5 hits before reloading. Pretty stoked on the performance, it was my first time using anything besides butane extracts in the Herc.

Tonight its time to clean it up- I am guessing it'll be pretty dirty and I'll need to torch the coils. Any recommendations for a tool to hold the coil with while torching?

Titanium or quartz dabber.
 
THC SCIENTIFIC,
  • Like
Reactions: SamuraiSam

215z

Well-Known Member
I have run mostly oily oil in my Herc. I have also used wax, crumble, and shatter. Shatter is the easiest to work with, for the reasons that @Caligula described.

At first, when I wasn't getting my rod hot enough, I had leaks with all types of concentrates mentioned: oil, wax, crumble, and shatter. I chalk that up to operator error and the learning curve. Now, I never get any leaks, no matter how light and runny my oil is.

Oily oils are a little messy to work with, but if you have silicone-tipped tools it is very easy. That is, if you have the luxury of a flat workspace like a table or bench. Shatter, on the other hand, can be plucked balled and dropped into the Herc while in a moving car.

I need to use more heat - and wait longer - to melt wax and crumble down. So much so that two Ti coils stacked is too much, it won't get hot enough for someone impatient like me. Loose oils flow easily and can be used with two Ti coils. That effectively doubles the amount of concentrate exposed to the hot titanium wool. I get much bigger hits with loose oil than I can with wax.

I look forward to trying the Herc with ice-water extracts some day; I'll need to pull a coil out first.
 

Hashassin

the uniBHOmber
I'm not concerned with the mild inconvenience of the errl itself in anyway, in any of its forms. I deal with all of it all the time and am accustomed to and equipped for dealing with it. Loading the Hercules won't be a problem, I have no doubt.

I'm loving the specific feedback from herc owners that actually run other concentrates
than shatter through it.

Bottom line is I'm saving my vape fund for a persei+hercules+either the iris v2 if it is out or the core if it isn't. I'm already decided on this. I'm about to do a big run of errl as soon as I'm done working this music festival. all of my proceeds are going towards re upping my personal errl supply, plus the usual run I need to cover my patients. Usually 40 to 50 percent or so of my run is dedicated to shatter. Knowing I'm buying the herc and that i usually vape between 1 and 4g of errl a day I'm wondering If I should make a higher percentage of shatter than usual? But I dunno, cuz I have a lot of love for some of my other stuff and I must say as a vape user and concentrate maker of some experience i usually find shatter to have lesser results in a vape(it must be said that i am almost entirely concentrate, almost no flower, and most of my oil is made from kief or water hash remade into bho, with a small amount of flower thrown in to fill out the flavor and high....im a very hashy man and even my hash is made from hash, so my perspective and tastes may vary)......I agree or is easier to load especially on the go, which is by far it's biggest point on the pro side. it has a unique flavor profile which is lost in other forms as well. It has a number of great points all of which I know and love too guys. but does it matter enough that I should change my whole 710 set up to anticipate owning this thing? Or should I just keep doing what I do knowing all of my hand crafted goodness will work just fine add long as I get to know the herc a bit?

Thank you! More stories please!

also sorry for all the typos and edits. i'm getting used to a touch screen only phone for the first time plus im a bit tipsy on irish whisk....tooth ache medicine. for my bad tooth.
 
Last edited:

215z

Well-Known Member
@Hashassin It would help if you posted a pic of your typical oil. But, even without a pic, I'll go out on a limb and say "no", stick with your process.

If I can say something even more controversial... if the difference between oily oil and shatter is just a matter of heat and vacuum, is it worth losing terps just to get rid of every last bit of butane and water?

I think the answer to that is yes, if you value long term storage and handling. The answer is yes if you're selling to dispensaries in my area, where the price difference is a factor of 2. The answer is no if you're making Herc fuel that won't last a week.
 

Hashassin

the uniBHOmber
aaaaah, yes i was just talking to a friend yesterday about helping get some photos to post on the forum elsewhere. might take a week or so though, i'm working oddball hours at a festival at the moment.

now as to your other question.....it comes down to a matter of personal tastes and what you want to hone in on. while terpenes can smell and taste great, they are also much harsher on the lungs. some of my favorite stuff has little or no cannabis smell or flavor, but it has a very pure hash taste which is distinct and pleasing on its own. what makes this stuff so awesome is that i can do huge dabs with little consequence. as many of them as i want. if i dab some tasty shatter as hard after 3-5 huge rips (or many smaller ones) the cumulative effect crushes my lungs and i need at least half hour to recover. same goes for water and butane, the more that is left in the more the cumulative effect builds up over a session or a day or a week etc and my poor old lungs are sensitive to all these factors. that being said i like a variety of things for a variety of needs.

it is good to have all your bases covered plus i never get sick of vaping the same stuff because i have choices out the wazzoo. this morning i'm on coconut based topicals and edibles, and i'm about to about .3g of some shatter i made last year out of a batch of really nice bubble that was mostly ganesh, berry white, black garlic and blue garlic with as much jack herer as i could talk a friend out of plus some other shit i don't remember cuz it was a mendo blendo batch in the end and it was over a year ago. i feel pretty medicated, but i'm definitely doing more dabs before i leave for work in 20 minutes.

oh, and far as long term storage i'd worry less about all the mentioned factors. as long as it is reasonably purged and dried and you store it correctly a small amount of butane or water doesn't seem to matter much. butane will purge on it's own slowly and water shouldn't hurt it. in fact as a personal observation i have a few jars that i have had curing for ages that have waaay too much water in them because of an idiot i was working with and an accident i haven't felt like drying and dealing with yet. i also have one jar from the same batch that did not have additional water spilt into it.....the jars that had the fuckup seem to have held their terpenes based on smell much better than the drier stuff, and i dried a few dabs worth a week ago and it tasted great, so i almost think the moisture helped prevent terpenes from off gassing. heat is more the issue with losing terpenes.....or reprocessing with alcohol.

damn i lurk this site silently for about a year and now i feel like all my posts are tl&dr, haha
 
Hashassin,

invisiblefriend

Well-Known Member
Manufacturer
Got my Birthday present all ! ---- It all came today !!!!!!!!

So far thank goodness for the core !!!


I need a drop of help ----- I can get the unit working with the core no problem !
Unfortunately I cannot get the battery / main unit with top working --

I try charging each battery but they are green so I assume fully charged ??? they came with a charge I assume since when I goto charge it stays green ?
I try adjusting with battery tool -- yet I cannot get the unit to work ? it does not power on … quickly it flashed 3 times .. but I cannot recreate that ….. bottom line is with batteries and main silver tube I get 0 power --

take top off and use the core and I'm in biz !!!

any advice would be amazing … thank you my friends !
 
invisiblefriend,

invisiblefriend

Well-Known Member
Manufacturer
Got my Birthday present all ! ---- It all came today !!!!!!!!

So far thank goodness for the core !!!


I need a drop of help ----- I can get the unit working with the core no problem !
Unfortunately I cannot get the battery / main unit with top working --

I try charging each battery but they are green so I assume fully charged ??? they came with a charge I assume since when I goto charge it stays green ?
I try adjusting with battery tool -- yet I cannot get the unit to work ? it does not power on … quickly it flashed 3 times .. but I cannot recreate that ….. bottom line is with batteries and main silver tube I get 0 power --

take top off and use the core and I'm in biz !!!

any advice would be amazing … thank you my friends !


------------
******************
I got the SS shorty
----- now I tried the small one (small tube) with one battery and that also works with the top --- and either battery ?

hmmmm ?

scratching head ? since when I put the full pieces together with top and both batteries -- no luck -- no power to the top ? hmm...
 
invisiblefriend,

DieHard

Accessory supplier
Accessory Maker
------------
******************
I got the SS shorty
----- now I tried the small one (small tube) with one battery and that also works with the top --- and either battery ?

hmmmm ?

scratching head ? since when I put the full pieces together with top and both batteries -- no luck -- no power to the top ? hmm...
Did you adjust the battery spring until the batteries are sticking up about 1-2 mm above the edge of the tube?
 

invisiblefriend

Well-Known Member
Manufacturer
Did you adjust the battery spring until the batteries are sticking up about 1-2 mm above the edge of the tube?
yea -- i adjusted …. i tried a lil higher just in case but it didn't help .. (i don't wanna go too high … )

its very odd since the shorty seems to work ---

thx --- I'm going back to drawing board :)
 
invisiblefriend,

THC SCIENTIFIC

To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
Manufacturer
yea -- i adjusted …. i tried a lil higher just in case but it didn't help .. (i don't wanna go too high … )

its very odd since the shorty seems to work ---

thx --- I'm going back to drawing board :)

Click 5 times to turn it on?

battery inserted correctly?

Where did you get the unit?
 

trich0me

Member
I too just got my Persei with SS and Herc-74, very very nice setup. My question is this, how long should you push the throttle button for when you are using the 2 18350 batteries? I am not sure if I should be tapping, holding down for 10 seconds, then starting to inhale, etc..

Also in regards to that question, when I use a single 18350 ... running in 3.7 mode (with the SS & Black Rod) I can see it is heating up, but takes much longer, can anyone provide a rough timeframe to throttle with that setup? I tried for 15sec down and it barely heated up, not sure what I am doing wrong or what needs to be done. Thanks in advance for a great community. Cheers!
 

invisiblefriend

Well-Known Member
Manufacturer
got @ w9 :) -- batteries correct …. 5 clicks works when on shorty / 1 battery / and on the core ---

just the actual persei battery tube …. with adjusted bottom won't work ?

bottom spring ? looks ok ? ill look with a flashlight into thur … thx 4 advice --- very odd ?
 
invisiblefriend,

THC SCIENTIFIC

To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
Manufacturer
got @ w9 :) -- batteries correct …. 5 clicks works when on shorty / 1 battery / and on the core ---

just the actual persei battery tube …. with adjusted bottom won't work ?

bottom spring ? looks ok ? ill look with a flashlight into thur … thx 4 advice --- very odd ?

Does the top flash when you are screwing on to the tube?

Are you using 1 battery or 2?

I too just got my Persei with SS and Herc-74, very very nice setup. My question is this, how long should you push the throttle button for when you are using the 2 18350 batteries? I am not sure if I should be tapping, holding down for 10 seconds, then starting to inhale, etc..

Also in regards to that question, when I use a single 18350 ... running in 3.7 mode (with the SS & Black Rod) I can see it is heating up, but takes much longer, can anyone provide a rough timeframe to throttle with that setup? I tried for 15sec down and it barely heated up, not sure what I am doing wrong or what needs to be done. Thanks in advance for a great community. Cheers!

you can hold it down for 10 seconds to start but throttle as needed after, but always inhale when pressing the button.


Now with the black rod, it heats up slower, and needs to have a little less load then the white rod. You should start getting vapor after 15 seconds heat up time.
 
THC SCIENTIFIC,

215z

Well-Known Member
@trich0me one of my rookie mistakes was expecting the titanium wool to heat itself. With the Herc you vape off the titanium wool, not the ceramic rod. The Hercules won't heat the titanium well on its own, there's some work you have to do. You have to move air to propagate heat throughout the Herc.

Hold down the power button.

After 8 seconds start taking slow cigar puffs. Use your mouth not your lungs to draw air through the Herc. Feel the air start to get warm. Taste the terps and top end flavors of your oil.

After a few cigar puffs, the wisps of vapor start to get thicker. At this point, I start taking deep full lung hits.

Hits? Lol I can't chain vape at 7.4V please let me know if you can, I'd be concerned that something is wrong. If everything goes as planned, please give us feedback in few hours after you wake up.
 
Last edited:

invisiblefriend

Well-Known Member
Manufacturer
Does the top flash when you are screwing on to the tube?

Are you using 1 battery or 2?



you can hold it down for 10 seconds to start but throttle as needed after, but always inhale when pressing the button.


Now with the black rod, it heats up slower, and needs to have a little less load then the white rod. You should start getting vapor after 15 seconds heat up time.
I actually am using the 2 batteries it came with --- I am getting the top to light up and fully work when using single battery in SS SETUP and in persei top using with core …

could there be a problem with the bottom coil ? it seems all is making connections ?
 
invisiblefriend,
Top Bottom