Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.

THC SCIENTIFIC

THC SCIENTIFIC

To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
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SlideOrDie said:
So am I ok to go ahead and give one of the Hercs a try boss since they both have holes now? Or would you prefer I just contact support by opening up a ticket and get them sorted now?

I've managed to do the Volcano pad mod like bob has shown.
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You can use them no worries, contact support ill be in the office tomorrow also pm me your ticket number so that i can personally see whats going on.
 
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dankd420

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OF said:
I can't see yours from here, but he said "Both of them now seem to have them after boiling?".

I think poor/lack of seal at the heater is a fault, not a feature. Put another way, I can draw air though mine like an Omicron or DART cart until I block the two holes. They seem to be vents like the two holes in the outer heat shield.

So he has two, I have one, there's a photo of another on the thread. The holes seem drilled on purpose......

I still think they're supposed to be there. Like the two holes above the threads on the Omicron cart. Same function exactly.

G, here's your big chance to tell one and all just how full I am of what kind of beans?

OF
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I could be mistaken, but this reads like there are 2 seperate sets of holes being discussed?

There are the holes drilled in the metal, i dont think anyone could deny those are intended.

Then, as shown in the picture, the top heater had a completely flat ceramic base with no holes. The bottom heater had two holes in the ceramic base.

Apologies if this was already clear. I noticed in particular because my hercular has the holes in the ceramic heater, i was quite supprised to see his picture with no holes, indicating i have likely have further issues to resolve with support.

DankD
 
Bob Loblaw

Bob Loblaw

Astralnaut
am going to try to clear up any confusion.
when you first get your herc, the bottom area by the ceramic rod looks solid.
after boiling, holes of varying sizes will appear on the sides. this is allowing oil to leak into the base of the heater. this IS a manufacturing defect. this IS getting fixed and we WILL be getting replacements. as with all D9 products, G has stood behind it. If you don't like the herc like it is you can either get a refund or use it til it breaks or the new one comes out and you'll get a replacement. it is why some people are choosing to try the "VSS" while waiting.
hope this helps to clarify.
 
Bob Loblaw

Bob Loblaw

Astralnaut
kevin said:
Hey Bob
Opps didn't see pics above
Are you pushing the sponge down around the rod to the base of heater and then the tank or are you just using the sponge w/no tank, and if so how much sponge are you putting into the sleve?
Thanks
Kevin
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i push the sponge down and then the tank. also i use the tank w/ no lid, unless i am on the move. "how much sponge?", seems to be the question of the day. it's really a little bit. i could probably make at least 8, maybe 10-12 out of a pad? the thickness of the pad is just about how thick you want it in there. cutting and forming the right size took some effort.
mangok said:
can you smoke herb with the sponge in?
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haven't tried, but considering that is where the herb is supposed to go i am guessing that it would be difficult.

am pretty sure you caught up now, G, but in case you missed this.....
THC SCIENTIFIC said:
can you guys show me the heater cores, who's ever has a hole in it.
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SlideOrDie said:
Just unboxing everything and I think I've already run into a problem...?

One of my heater assemblies seems to have holes on either side of it. Is this normal?

Thanks
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i know you talked w/ him, i just wanted to make sure you caught the pics

EDiT - for further clarity, the reason for the "VSS" is to trap oil before it gets to the heater holes to minimize loss thru those holes, as well as to keep the oil well suspended around the rod, giving more even hits. a herc w/ out the VSS will melt oil out of ur tank, giving tasty, but slightly thin hits, the oil melts down by the base, gets pulled up to the rod on large inhales and kicks thick, "herculean" clouds. at least .3 or so gets trapped down in the base, but can be hit by removing the tank, holding the button down and taking short hard pulls, sucking the oil up and onto the rod. so none of it's really "lost". i would also like to report that since using the VSS, i am not getting oil between the steel tank and the insulator anymore, as well as haven't yet had any leaking thru the bottom of the heater core onto my threads. victory!

oh, and this is awesome, fully! made my morning
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Bugsy

Bugsy

VapeHare
Mine has the same holes in the white part that the ceramic rod fits through. So use the Vss and wait for the fix I guess:\
 
OF

OF

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Bob Loblaw said:
am going to try to clear up any confusion.
when you first get your herc, the bottom area by the ceramic rod looks solid.
after boiling, holes of varying sizes will appear on the sides. this is allowing oil to leak into the base of the heater. this IS a manufacturing defect. this IS getting fixed and we WILL be getting replacements. as with all D9 products, G has stood behind it. If you don't like the herc like it is you can either get a refund or use it til it breaks or the new one comes out and you'll get a replacement. it is why some people are choosing to try the "VSS" while waiting.
hope this helps to clarify.
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Thanks Bob, I was confused and talking about the holes in the metal. The breaks in the furnace cement are different but the answer is the same, using them until the replacements are available is OK, it doesn't change anything really. The unit will need replacement either way in the future.

I'm sorry in my confusion it seems while I gave the right advice, I did so for the wrong reason?

Hopefully this can be fixed quickly and permanently, the unit is showing great promise with a least some owners.

Thanks again for sorting me out, Bob, put it on my tab?

OF
 
ataxian

ataxian

PALE BLUE DOT
OF said:
Thanks Bob, I was confused and talking about the holes in the metal. The breaks in the furnace cement are different but the answer is the same, using them until the replacements are available is OK, it doesn't change anything really. The unit will need replacement either way in the future.

I'm sorry in my confusion it seems while I gave the right advice, I did so for the wrong reason?

Hopefully this can be fixed quickly and permanently, the unit is showing great promise with a least some owners.

Thanks again for sorting me out, Bob, put it on my tab?

OF
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I really like the HERCULES.
Once some of the issues are resolved this will be the attachment to actively use.
 
Medical420MI

Medical420MI

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My Persei is out for delivery according to USPS's website! I just may have to take the day off of work. If all goes well I should have out in the next few hours.
 
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kevin

kevin

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Hi Bob
Did you ever try only using the SS sponge? I mean forget the tank, fill the whole sleve with the SS and put your wax on top and let it melt into it just like it is used on the Valcano.
It works great on Valcano, gets to be a mess but great hits. Instead on boiling tanks just throw away SS and replace it?
Kevin
 
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OF

OF

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kevin said:
I mean forget the tank, fill the whole sleve with the SS and put your wax on top and let it melt into it just like it is used on the Valcano.
It works great on Valcano, gets to be a mess but great hits. Instead on boiling tanks just throw away SS and replace it?
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I'm not sure this would be using it 'just like in the Volcano'. Volcano is a convection vape, a big difference in this case I think. The pad is not going to conduct heat very well at all, in fact it's designed specifically not to. It's intended to trap and hold the concentrate so the hot air going past it can heat it to working temperature.

It's an interesting idea to check out, probably a lot better than having it leak away, but I suspect what will happen is the oil near the hot rod will be over heated while that near the outer walls will be much cooler, basically at the tube temperature. By the time you get enough heat transferred out (remember the circle will be growing larger as that goes on, calling for yet more heat to get the increasing area hot) to the outside the inside will be over cooked?

In short a good stopgap but not long term fix?

OF
 
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kevin

kevin

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OF said:
I'm not sure this would be using it 'just like in the Volcano'. Volcano is a convection vape, a big difference in this case I think. The pad is not going to conduct heat very well at all, in fact it's designed specifically not to. It's intended to trap and hold the concentrate so the hot air going past it can heat it to working temperature.

It's an interesting idea to check out, probably a lot better than having it leak away, but I suspect what will happen is the oil near the hot rod will be over heated while that near the outer walls will be much cooler, basically at the tube temperature. By the time you get enough heat transferred out (remember the circle will be growing larger as that goes on, calling for yet more heat to get the increasing area hot) to the outside the inside will be over cooked?

In short a good stopgap but not long term fix?

OF
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Hi OF
I see what your saying but isn't that basically what's happening now? Oil in the plate vapors fast while the oil sitting on top cools then we supper heat the plate to get the plate hot enough to melt wax again! Or really heat it up and burn the oil off the heater. Now thats some hot vapor!
Yes, some does go though the plate and vaporize beatifully but after the first few hits I must reheat the unit again making the vapor very hard on the throat plus alot seems to be running over the sides and down to the heater which is fine if you get it hot enough. I'm lucky enough not to have to worry about burning evrything out of the heater, I just reload and enjoy the first few cool, tasty vape hits, then things heat up again and I put it down.
My :2c:
Thanks
Kevin
 
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OF

OF

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kevin said:
Hi OF
I see what your saying but isn't that basically what's happening now? Oil in the plate vapors fast while the oil sitting on top cools then we supper heat the plate to get the plate hot enough to melt wax again! Or really heat it up and burn the oil off the heater. Now thats some hot vapor!
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Yes, which is why I don't agree 'this is how it works in Volcano' and don't think this is a good long term solution. It ends up being a conduction vape with a huge difference in temperature possible in different areas. The shell is a heatsink that will prevent the oil near it from getting anywhere near hot enough before that elsewhere is toast.

OF
 
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Bob Loblaw

Bob Loblaw

Astralnaut
i would hazard the theory that the rod gets hotter than the volcano and that heat transfer isn't an issue, even with the VSS. however, the idea of using this without the insulating cover is beyond scary, for the same reason, it does create a large amount of heat. also, the mouthpiece screws down into the insulation. there is no real way to afix it to the SS tank. i could see loading straight onto the coil, but i believe the tank system helps for a more even dispersal of oil. my two cents

OF said:
Thanks Bob, I was confused and talking about the holes in the metal. The breaks in the furnace cement are different but the answer is the same, using them until the replacements are available is OK, it doesn't change anything really. The unit will need replacement either way in the future.

I'm sorry in my confusion it seems while I gave the right advice, I did so for the wrong reason?

Hopefully this can be fixed quickly and permanently, the unit is showing great promise with a least some owners.

Thanks again for sorting me out, Bob, put it on my tab?

OF
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no sweat, OF.
am sure the "score" is pretty even. if not i'm sure i'll help rectify that soon.
 
SlideOrDie

SlideOrDie

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For those of you who want to try the VSS method... I have found the easiest way is to cut a proper sized chunk and stick something slightly thicker than your heating element through the middle of the volcano sponge. Leave the object through the center of the sponge and insert it through the bottom of the top half of the cartridge sleeve while it's unscrewed. Then line your object up with the ceramic rod, screw the two ends together and make sure your object is touching the rod by pushing gently on it. Then I used an empty tank and a pair of tweezers to gently force the sponge down off of my object and over top of the heating element. Continue to do so until your oil tank sits comfortable underneath the top of the lip by a mm or two.

Hope this helps you guys who want to try the VSS method a bit!

My Hercules testing shall begin today :D
 
kindbeats

kindbeats

Terps Up, Temps Down
SlideOrDie said:
For those of you who want to try the VSS method... I have found the easiest way is to cut a proper sized chunk and stick something slightly thicker than your heating element through the middle of the volcano sponge. Leave the object through the center of the sponge and insert it through the bottom of the top half of the cartridge sleeve while it's unscrewed. Then line your object up with the ceramic rod, screw the two ends together and make sure your object is touching the rod by pushing gently on it. Then I used an empty tank and a pair of tweezers to gently force the sponge down off of my object and over top of the heating element. Continue to do so until your oil tank sits comfortable underneath the top of the lip by a mm or two.

Hope this helps you guys who want to try the VSS method a bit!

My Hercules testing shall begin today :D
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Enjoy my friend. I've never had my concentrates taste better! :ko:
 
kevin

kevin

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Hey Guys
I never wanted to remove outside insulator that would be crazy! But what about a combintion, say
1)Valcano SS sponge on bottom around heater coil to hold oil close to rod,
INSIDE TANK
2) very thin SS plate to help control flow of oil not to hold the whole load.
3) Medical grade SS sponge that will contuct heat well and hold the oil above ss plate until needed, stop it from overflowing all over the outside.
I don't know if this would work I don't have the materials to try it, just a thought, maybe somebody has the right materials and could let us know.
Kevin
 
Bob Loblaw

Bob Loblaw

Astralnaut
kevin said:
Hey Guys
I never wanted to remove outside insulator that would be crazy! But what about a combintion, say
1)Valcano SS sponge on bottom around heater coil to hold oil close to rod,
INSIDE TANK
2) very thin SS plate to help control flow of oil not to hold the whole load.
3) Medical grade SS sponge that will contuct heat well and hold the oil above ss plate until needed, stop it from overflowing all over the outside.
I don't know if this would work I don't have the materials to try it, just a thought, maybe somebody has the right materials and could let us know.
Kevin
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lol, sorry. was way too early. couldn't figure out what u were saying. got it now. honestly, if this wasn't working so well, i might try other methods, but as is, this is doing it's job.
oh, and i also use the hammer top w/ mine. just an fyi. hopefully some other VSS users can also keep us updated as to it's effectiveness. hope i didn't just cost everyone 10-20 bones for no reason ;)
 
SlideOrDie

SlideOrDie

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OK!

So after my first session with my VSS Hercules I am very impressed! I haven't been able to get the super dense hits yet but I think it's just because I don't let it heat up enough...

I think i ripped on it for a good 20 mins taking little tiny breaks inbetween while whipping up another batch of errl...

I have about 17g left plus the 4g or so I'll have from this run so I'm going to test the living fuck out of this thing today and try to get through an eighth to celebrate my first day with Hercules! This would be much easier with an adapter for the dual top that allows enough space to run dual hercs :D

Oh and does anyone know how many tanks you can rip with one set of AW IMR's?
 
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