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bdmonkeyj3w

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Yes but that would be the same as the 1701 correct in a kiss alpha Centauri no?

No... wasnt talking about replacimg heating rod with heating donut... just interested if a larger ceramic wick donut can be manufactured to fit around sr74 heater and fill a bit more of the chamber would efficiently replace the current ti sponge...
 

sweetherb

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No... wasnt talking about replacimg heating rod with heating donut... just interested if a larger ceramic wick donut can be manufactured to fit around sr74 heater and fill a bit more of the chamber would efficiently replace the current ti sponge...

I think this is an excellent idea, assuming it is feasible based on the material properties etc.
 
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kernal6500

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No they are two different units. What I am saying like bdmonkey was saying is using ceramic instead of ti circular sponges specifically on the Hercules. In my opinion i see that being a lot more healthier having all ceramic heating elements. It's def feasible, thermovape did something similar to what im talking about with the Luna, but they used a thick wire to heat up the ceramic instead of a ceramic rod so w9 would be a step ahead well they already are considering the death of thermo Essense technology
 
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TommydCat

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That "sponge" holds a heck of a lot though! More so than an equivalent ceramic wick? (I'm still trying to get the hang of the 1701 myself)

Think how much deeper the ocean would be if it weren't for sea sponges!
 

bdmonkeyj3w

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That "sponge" holds a heck of a lot though! More so than an equivalent ceramic wick? (I'm still trying to get the hang of the 1701 myself)

Think how much deeper the ocean would be if it weren't for sea sponges!

Deeper? Sea sponges? What?

Itd be like 5 or 6 times taller than the current donut for the globe, and even if only had half the capacity the ti does, id still be interested in trying it out.
 

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Deeper? Sea sponges? What?

Itd be like 5 or 6 times taller than the current donut for the globe, and even if only had half the capacity the ti does, id still be interested in trying it out.

trying it out has already been accomplished right before we introduced the Ti versions of the coils in the Herc. We came to the conclusion that the Ti coils hold a lot more then the Ceramic counterparts.
  • When will these be back in stock?
  • KISS GLOBE DUAL COIL NICHROME

I am not sure but i will know end of next week.
 

masaki

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Super bummed my dual AC coil stopped working. I was vaping outside drinking coffee. Only pressing the button down for 1-2 secs nothing more @7.4v getting nice hits all weekend with it. But I put it down after a few hits and went to grab it after a sip of coffee. And nothing. :(
The coil is still saturated with plenty of oil still too
 
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bdmonkeyj3w

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trying it out has already been accomplished right before we introduced the Ti versions of the coils in the Herc. We came to the conclusion that the Ti coils hold a lot more then the Ceramic counterparts.


I am not sure but i will know end of next week.

Disregard capacity... how did the ceramic work elsewise? Was it reliable or did it cause more leaks?
 

darkshade

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In anticipation of my alpha arriving I was reading the manual online but I couldn't find ANY voltage information, I'm scared to use my alpha now since i have no idea what batteries to use for the coils! I hope they come with labels on the coils themselfs! What did you guys who got your alpha end up doing? I couldn't find any battery info in the manual which really strikes me as strange lol
 
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kindbeats

Terps Up, Temps Down
Here are the original Hercules tanks with the dark ceramic for those who were wondering.

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DieHard

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In anticipation of my alpha arriving I was reading the manual online but I couldn't find ANY voltage information, I'm scared to use my alpha now since i have no idea what batteries to use for the coils! I hope they come with labels on the coils themselfs! What did you guys who got your alpha end up doing? I couldn't find any battery info in the manual which really strikes me as strange lol
I'm using the Dual Coil at 7.4v and 3.7v for the Single coils. As I understand the 1701 Ceramic Donut cart is for 3.7v only with a 7.4v coming.
 

kindbeats

Terps Up, Temps Down
In anticipation of my alpha arriving I was reading the manual online but I couldn't find ANY voltage information, I'm scared to use my alpha now since i have no idea what batteries to use for the coils! I hope they come with labels on the coils themselfs! What did you guys who got your alpha end up doing? I couldn't find any battery info in the manual which really strikes me as strange lol

The single coil and the 1701 are both for 3.7v and the dual coil is for both 3.7v and 7.4v.
 

TommydCat

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In anticipation of my alpha arriving I was reading the manual online but I couldn't find ANY voltage information, I'm scared to use my alpha now since i have no idea what batteries to use for the coils! I hope they come with labels on the coils themselfs! What did you guys who got your alpha end up doing? I couldn't find any battery info in the manual which really strikes me as strange lol
The 1701 / donut / brass one is marked "3.7v", but you'll not see it marked on the other two. Technique-wise, I find I really have to juice this one up for a while to get hot enough to start emitting vapor. You'll get some whispy puffs, but I haven't found a solid cloud -- but with the taste you get it doesn't matter. This cart will take time and technique both to learn and in the individual sesh imo. Zen-like.

Both the single and dual coil carts work at either 3.7v or 7.4v, with the idea being 3.7v lets you ride the button for flavor rather than clouds while the 7.4v give you an instant face-blast button that you only want to tap, less it weld itself to your face.. Technique is similar to each, the dual is operating with an extra bit of MANERGY.

At 3.7v with a freshly-charged AW 18650, it takes 3-4 seconds to heat up the first press, and then I can feather the button for 1-2 seconds at a time. If you just hold the button down, the taste can go south in a hurry - if you see anything glow red, it's going to start to taste nasty..

At 7.4v this carts park you in a higher orbit. The button isn't a technique anymore. It's a deathwish. You don't have to learn to time the first hit, feathering to keep the heat to a certain level, etc. You tap that thing like you're petting a snake - press on and gtfo! I see some others saying 1-2 seconds, but on a freshly charged pair of AW 18350s, one second is like ordering 5 star spicy at the Thai place - you're issuing a challenge to the chef - is it going to taste or is it going to burn?

Intuition has us want to hold the button until we get the result we want. Now it becomes tap it and you'll see what you want in a split second. I might start off with an almost second press, let go and get ready to dodge behind a bulwark for cover, but I left that thing in my mouth. Time stopped for a split second and I start to feel the impact within. But still hanging on and inhaling.

Tap... Don't even think about trying to hold or time it at this point. Uh oh. Yup. Inhale. Don't think.

Tap... My eyes grow wider at disbelief at what my finger is doing... Tap... Sip... Sip... Tank full.

About 20 minutes later I try to remember if there was a cloud.

I think there was. If there was I bet it was magnificent. What was I doing?

Oh yeah... Copper color seems to be 3.7v only... Color coding? We'll see :)
 
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Vapoholic420

-Loyal To The Oil-
Indeed it did. The third picture is the bottom of the tank, which is where the ceramic rod went.
How was the flavor with those inserts? I think I found W9 Tech right after they stopped using those. But I always thought the flavor woulda been better with porous ceramic than the SS and the Ti. But I never got to try one.
 
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kindbeats

Terps Up, Temps Down
How was the flavor with those inserts? I think I found W9 Tech right after they stopped using those. But I always thought the flavor woulda been better with porous ceramic than the SS and the Ti. But I never got to try one.

The taste was the same killer taste that the current Herc gives you. I personally thought the tank idea was better and more convenient (no leakage, ability to switch out different concentrates instantly) but during testing, an old FC user named Bob Loblaw stated that he thought the coils hit better than the tanks. I never really got to compare the hits back to back because I had to trade the original Herc in for the upgrade.
 
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@TommydCat the 1701 is gold plated, gold plated means it can be rebuilt easily.

Everyone else.

Having ceramic instead of the Titanium had the same taste but over time the ceramic wore out much faster then the Ti coils.

Performance wise the Ti was better as well in absorbing oils.

as for the SS tanks vs the Ti coils


Ti coils win hands down. The reason is the SS tanks sat up high in the chamber so when hot the liquid will pool down into the base of the ceramic rod next time around you could not vaporize it anymore.
 

Vapoholic420

-Loyal To The Oil-
@TommydCat the 1701 is gold plated, gold plated means it can be rebuilt easily.

Everyone else.

Having ceramic instead of the Titanium had the same taste but over time the ceramic wore out much faster then the Ti coils.

Performance wise the Ti was better as well in absorbing oils.

as for the SS tanks vs the Ti coils


Ti coils win hands down. The reason is the SS tanks sat up high in the chamber so when hot the liquid will pool down into the base of the ceramic rod next time around you could not vaporize it anymore.
Hey G, I know I'm probably just beating a dead horse, but what I was thinking about was, a dark grey porous ceramic sponge that is the exact size and shape of the Ti sponges with the hole all the way thru the middle, or maybe even a bit longer like the original SS coils so it'll hold more oil, but without the metal tanks that they used to be connected to, so we can try using that instead of the Ti sponge? I always wondered about this bcuz I love the taste that the porous ceramic provides! I'd definitely be willing to pay to try or even beta test something like that if you'll try to make it for us! I'm sure more people would be interested as well. I know they break easier and don't hold as much, but if the flavor is even better than it already is, then I wouldn't care at all. Just a thought.
 
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kernal6500

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@TommydCat the 1701 is gold plated, gold plated means it can be rebuilt easily.

Everyone else.

Having ceramic instead of the Titanium had the same taste but over time the ceramic wore out much faster then the Ti coils.

Performance wise the Ti was better as well in absorbing oils.

as for the SS tanks vs the Ti coils


Ti coils win hands down. The reason is the SS tanks sat up high in the chamber so when hot the liquid will pool down into the base of the ceramic rod next time around you could not vaporize it anymore.

What is healthier ti or ceramic?
 
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MileHighLife

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What is healthier ti or ceramic?

Ceramic ... at higher temps titanium produces TiO2 which is not good to be breathing in. For instance when titanium wire is used in an atomizer and aloud to get red hot TiO2 is produced. That's why e cig users tend to only use titanium wire on temperature control mods.

I think in the case of the Hercules it doesn't get hot enough to really matter though.
 
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kernal6500

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Ceramic ... at higher temps titanium produces TiO2 which is not good to be breathing in. For instance when titanium wire is used in an atomizer and aloud to get red hot TiO2 is produced. That's why e cig users tend to only use titanium wire on temperature control mods.

I think in the case of the Hercules it doesn't get hot enough to really matter though.

I hope not ,I don't want to be sucking in titanium dioxide! I don't want that shit deposited in my lungs and make them all inflamed.
 
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