Discontinued The Oracle Infrared Vaporizer
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FLskwat
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Aha, where in the EU?
The Oracle should hopefully be available in a EU plug version during this summer... based on my mail exchanges with the BMInnovators Team
Oh and Vapor Spot is an incredible shop (I was in LA a few months ago) for sure! I really thaught John and his team was having the correct communication to spread out the vape good word, nice choice for The Oracle exposure!
The Oracle should hopefully be available in a EU plug version during this summer... based on my mail exchanges with the BMInnovators Team
Oh and Vapor Spot is an incredible shop (I was in LA a few months ago) for sure! I really thaught John and his team was having the correct communication to spread out the vape good word, nice choice for The Oracle exposure!
@vittujoo - Prior to selling the product in Europe its mandatory that we finalize our CE certification. Once this is finished and we have established distribution for Europe we will list all of our authorized retailers online.
@FLskwat - It sure looks like a great place and JJ is a solid guy so were all very happy to be working with him.
@FLskwat - It sure looks like a great place and JJ is a solid guy so were all very happy to be working with him.
charliedontsurf
Medical
Wow that vapor-only retail store is awesome, it's great a business can make it's mark like that.
This is the first time I ever bothered to look at the Oracle thread, it really is an impressive looking vape. A bowl-to-hose-to-bong adaptor would be pretty simple too by the looks of it.
Vapornation has it for 430 less 10% for the next few days if you use the coupon code, seems like an awesome deal.
This is the first time I ever bothered to look at the Oracle thread, it really is an impressive looking vape. A bowl-to-hose-to-bong adaptor would be pretty simple too by the looks of it.
Vapornation has it for 430 less 10% for the next few days if you use the coupon code, seems like an awesome deal.
We just received our first shipment of these puppies. They look awesome. The ground glass connections are legit and the heating element is something to marvel at. Each of these units comes with everything you need...including hookah and bag adapters. I just can't believe that the unit heats up in only ten seconds!
dime
Well-Known Member
Hello, new member here, I just purchased The Oracle from VaporNation and wanted to give an honest review. I have owned a classic Volcano for years, along with many other vaporizers, so I believe I can give worthwhile feedback.
VaporNation shipped it out quickly and I believe I got a great deal from these guys. Everything was great.
I unpacked the Oracle and immediately was disappointed with the build quality. Having paid just over $400, same as what I paid for my Volcano years ago (and its excellent build quality/packaging), I guess I just expected more. Here's why:
Now onto the good stuff. I bought the unit because of the infrared and claimed heat up times. I haven't really used it enough to get a good feel for it yet, but it seems like it works. I have no idea why this might be, but the quality of the vapor is just *amazing* even compared to a Volcano. My Volcano produces very harsh vapor. By comparison the Oracle produces incredibly smooth vapor. I don't know if it's because it just isn't as hot, or if there is really some difference in the way the vapor is produced. Am I the only one that noticed this? This should be the Oracle's main selling point.
The glass accessories are about on par with the quality of an Extreme Q Vaporizer. The Oracle's glass connection to the heating unit seems much better and less fragile than the EQV. The silicon tubing is flexi rather than rigid, which is another plus.
I'm going to continue using the Oracle and see how it pans out. I kind of feel like I have a "beta" unit or something. I realize that this is something new, but if you buy this device thinking you will get something comparable to the Volcano from packaging/build quality perspective, you will be disappointed.
I am on the fence on whether I will keep the unit. On one hand you can buy a Volcano for about as much. On the other hand, the Oracle's quality of vapor and the short warm-up times seem to be a major improvement over the Volcano.
I haven't really gotten a good feel of making perfect bags yet, but yes it seems that it does indeed live up to its fast-heating claims. I did have one bag come out less than stellar, but after stirring up the plant in the bowl and filling another bag I was beyond pleased.
How do I remove the debris from the heating chamber? If the production quality is ever ironed out, could I please trade in my unit for a newer one?
VaporNation shipped it out quickly and I believe I got a great deal from these guys. Everything was great.
I unpacked the Oracle and immediately was disappointed with the build quality. Having paid just over $400, same as what I paid for my Volcano years ago (and its excellent build quality/packaging), I guess I just expected more. Here's why:
- The unit, inside and out, was kind of grubby. Dusty and smudged. It's like someone hand-made it but didn't wipe it down afterwards.[/*]
- Inside the heating element, I immediately noticed something clunking around. Where the light comes from, I noticed a couple hard pebble-like things (glue?) and a little sticker that says "110v" or something like you see come on a lightbulb sometimes. I tried and tried and could not get it to come out. Hopefully these are not toxic to have in 300+ degree temperatures, straight to my lungs.[/*]
- The glass insert (which you place the other glass into) was mounted inside the heating unit incorrectly. All my glass sticks up at an angle now, rather than straight up. The hole at the top was not centered in the encasing either. I will provide pictures.[/*]
- The first thing I did was open up the case. The case works but it seems like it needs to be reinforced better. It is a little "off" and does not really fit together perfectly.[/*]
- Inside the case, I noticed the air input comes through silicon tubing. For some reason the tubing is wedged in next to some rather jagged steel (messy cut) and it would seem it will easily cut the tubing if mishandled.[/*]
- The temperature dial is very fragile feeling. I can wiggle it more than it should, and it seems whatever it is mounted to on the inside needs to be reinforced.[/*]
Now onto the good stuff. I bought the unit because of the infrared and claimed heat up times. I haven't really used it enough to get a good feel for it yet, but it seems like it works. I have no idea why this might be, but the quality of the vapor is just *amazing* even compared to a Volcano. My Volcano produces very harsh vapor. By comparison the Oracle produces incredibly smooth vapor. I don't know if it's because it just isn't as hot, or if there is really some difference in the way the vapor is produced. Am I the only one that noticed this? This should be the Oracle's main selling point.
- Again, excellent quality vapor![/*]
- I wasn't sure I would like the combined function of power/fan in just 1 button, but it works fine.[/*]
- Aesthetically the case is very pleasing, it kind of looks like a small subwoofer.[/*]
- I really like the power cable. It's like what you plug into your computer or monitor.[/*]
- The fan fills a bag as fast as a Volcano.[/*]
The glass accessories are about on par with the quality of an Extreme Q Vaporizer. The Oracle's glass connection to the heating unit seems much better and less fragile than the EQV. The silicon tubing is flexi rather than rigid, which is another plus.
I'm going to continue using the Oracle and see how it pans out. I kind of feel like I have a "beta" unit or something. I realize that this is something new, but if you buy this device thinking you will get something comparable to the Volcano from packaging/build quality perspective, you will be disappointed.
I am on the fence on whether I will keep the unit. On one hand you can buy a Volcano for about as much. On the other hand, the Oracle's quality of vapor and the short warm-up times seem to be a major improvement over the Volcano.
I haven't really gotten a good feel of making perfect bags yet, but yes it seems that it does indeed live up to its fast-heating claims. I did have one bag come out less than stellar, but after stirring up the plant in the bowl and filling another bag I was beyond pleased.
How do I remove the debris from the heating chamber? If the production quality is ever ironed out, could I please trade in my unit for a newer one?
PoopMachine
Well-Known Member
I have one of these one the way to me. Expect a full and in depth review shortly.
FLskwat
VAPOLITICS!
My review will come soon, but for some personal reason s I cannot access my unit right now.
Though I had the chance to play with it, and had the same impressions as Dime on many points:
Very impressed by the vapor quality and the infrared tech.
Very excited by the ballon/hookah mix which is a perfect setting for my living-room.
Very impressed by the "Apple look" of the unit: raw/pure industrial design/looks
But could still improve building quality on some details that show production is still in its "refining process".
Once I can play longer with my unit, in depth review; WORD!
Though I had the chance to play with it, and had the same impressions as Dime on many points:
Very impressed by the vapor quality and the infrared tech.
Very excited by the ballon/hookah mix which is a perfect setting for my living-room.
Very impressed by the "Apple look" of the unit: raw/pure industrial design/looks
But could still improve building quality on some details that show production is still in its "refining process".
Once I can play longer with my unit, in depth review; WORD!
Finally got to try this little one and was stoked with how it delivers vapor, quick, efficient and smooth.
So I can only but confirm what has been written above.
Imho it tastes better than the Cano, and I just love the whip option !
The vapor on demand is so real with this thing, it's kind of like having a big square glass on glass MFLB....gotta love it.
Press, wait a few sec, inhale !
For me the main cons are, 1)maybe not sturdy enough especially from what I read here...but I'm sure they will imrpove ont that. 2) the noise of the pump, it's NOT noisy but hey what do you know, I just wish this baby was silent. It would be even better.3) It would also be even better if one could (but is it possible as designed) be able to use it without the pump when in whip mode only.
So in conclusion, if I had to choose between this one and other bag vapes, I would go for this one...knowing no can be sure it will last as good as the Cano does of course.
So I can only but confirm what has been written above.
Imho it tastes better than the Cano, and I just love the whip option !
The vapor on demand is so real with this thing, it's kind of like having a big square glass on glass MFLB....gotta love it.
Press, wait a few sec, inhale !
For me the main cons are, 1)maybe not sturdy enough especially from what I read here...but I'm sure they will imrpove ont that. 2) the noise of the pump, it's NOT noisy but hey what do you know, I just wish this baby was silent. It would be even better.3) It would also be even better if one could (but is it possible as designed) be able to use it without the pump when in whip mode only.
So in conclusion, if I had to choose between this one and other bag vapes, I would go for this one...knowing no can be sure it will last as good as the Cano does of course.
dime
Well-Known Member
I wanted to post a follow-up to my review... First off I wanted to say that someone from BM Innovators (makers of the Oracle) contacted me within 15 minutes of my last post above, making sure everything was to my satisfaction. That is great and I am glad they are so involved.
I think I probably overstated my concerns with production quality. It is actually fairly good, just not really comparable to the excellent packaging of the Volcano. I think as such I was a little nitpicky but hopefully the manufacturers can consider the issues I brought up.
I also wanted to mention the size of the unit as this doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere. I think it's a 6" or 7" cube. I'll measure more exactly later and I promise to take pictures.
Oracle Accessories
I like all the components that come with the unit. Thank you for including good whip tubing (silicon, flexible) compared to the Extreme Q's crappy/smelly whip tubing (clear, rigid, reeks like plastic). The bag mouthpiece I thought was maybe too simple, but I think it works fine, though I kind of wish I knew a simple way to cap it off so I could set it aside (not a big deal).
Bowl Maintenance
I find myself wishing the bowl was wider. I say this for two reasons.
First off I wish I could stick my finger in it to clean it out, like wipe it down between bowls. Instead I am forced to use a qtip or a toothpick or isopropyl to really get at it. The Volcano I can just wipe down with 1 square of toilet paper between bowls, and it's good to go. The Oracle has a skinny glass bowl like the Extreme Q, and is about as annoying to maintain a clean bowl as the EQV.
Secondly it is kind of annoying to get herb inside the bowl. With the Volcano, I can dump weed from my grinder into the bowl. With the Extreme Q, I can scoop weed into the bowl or into the detachable elbow joint screen. With the Oracle, I can't do either. The bowl is too narrow for dumping and the top of the bowl is too wide to scoop. So you kind of have to pinch herb into the bowl which can be messy if you are not careful.
Additionally I wish I could somehow clean out the inside of the heating chamber. Seems impossible to get in there as it is sealed pretty tight with a narrow opening at the top. Sucks if you accidentally spill some herb in there.
Heating Unit Warm-up Time
The Oracle is advertised as having 10 second warm up times, but this isn't the case for me. To produce a reasonable amount of vapor I find myself needing to wait 30-45 seconds from a cold start; and this is from the maximum heat setting on the temperature dial. This is faster than other devices, but not nearly as fast as claimed. It makes me wonder if my heating unit was somehow damaged during shipment or something. I am definitely not over-packing the bowl or anything.
Anyone else running into this? The bowl gets hot very quickly, but vapor is not produced anywhere near the 10 second mark...
If you look at this graph, it is questionable... I mean it doesn't claim that vapor can be produced within 10 seconds, it specifically just refers to temperature. I wouldn't call it deceptive marketing, but it does give the impression that you can produce vapor within 10 seconds and that just isn't the case. https://bminnovators.com/wp-content/uploads/time-graph-2-300x168.png
Quality of Vapor
Again, the vapor quality seems to be the best out there, better than the Volcano. I'm not sure why this is but maybe it has to do with not leaving the herb slowly baking inside the hot metallic heating elements and instead only heating it up when it is to be used/vaporized.
Final Verdict
In the end I think I am satisfied with the Oracle, but I am unsure if it will replace my Volcano. Swapping between bowls is just much more tedious when you consider the little things. The warm-up times are way faster than the Volcano, but not nearly as fast as claimed in my experience. The vapor quality is the reason I think you would want to use the Oracle.
I think I probably overstated my concerns with production quality. It is actually fairly good, just not really comparable to the excellent packaging of the Volcano. I think as such I was a little nitpicky but hopefully the manufacturers can consider the issues I brought up.
I also wanted to mention the size of the unit as this doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere. I think it's a 6" or 7" cube. I'll measure more exactly later and I promise to take pictures.
Oracle Accessories
I like all the components that come with the unit. Thank you for including good whip tubing (silicon, flexible) compared to the Extreme Q's crappy/smelly whip tubing (clear, rigid, reeks like plastic). The bag mouthpiece I thought was maybe too simple, but I think it works fine, though I kind of wish I knew a simple way to cap it off so I could set it aside (not a big deal).
Bowl Maintenance
I find myself wishing the bowl was wider. I say this for two reasons.
First off I wish I could stick my finger in it to clean it out, like wipe it down between bowls. Instead I am forced to use a qtip or a toothpick or isopropyl to really get at it. The Volcano I can just wipe down with 1 square of toilet paper between bowls, and it's good to go. The Oracle has a skinny glass bowl like the Extreme Q, and is about as annoying to maintain a clean bowl as the EQV.
Secondly it is kind of annoying to get herb inside the bowl. With the Volcano, I can dump weed from my grinder into the bowl. With the Extreme Q, I can scoop weed into the bowl or into the detachable elbow joint screen. With the Oracle, I can't do either. The bowl is too narrow for dumping and the top of the bowl is too wide to scoop. So you kind of have to pinch herb into the bowl which can be messy if you are not careful.
Additionally I wish I could somehow clean out the inside of the heating chamber. Seems impossible to get in there as it is sealed pretty tight with a narrow opening at the top. Sucks if you accidentally spill some herb in there.
Heating Unit Warm-up Time
The Oracle is advertised as having 10 second warm up times, but this isn't the case for me. To produce a reasonable amount of vapor I find myself needing to wait 30-45 seconds from a cold start; and this is from the maximum heat setting on the temperature dial. This is faster than other devices, but not nearly as fast as claimed. It makes me wonder if my heating unit was somehow damaged during shipment or something. I am definitely not over-packing the bowl or anything.
Anyone else running into this? The bowl gets hot very quickly, but vapor is not produced anywhere near the 10 second mark...
If you look at this graph, it is questionable... I mean it doesn't claim that vapor can be produced within 10 seconds, it specifically just refers to temperature. I wouldn't call it deceptive marketing, but it does give the impression that you can produce vapor within 10 seconds and that just isn't the case. https://bminnovators.com/wp-content/uploads/time-graph-2-300x168.png
Quality of Vapor
Again, the vapor quality seems to be the best out there, better than the Volcano. I'm not sure why this is but maybe it has to do with not leaving the herb slowly baking inside the hot metallic heating elements and instead only heating it up when it is to be used/vaporized.
Final Verdict
In the end I think I am satisfied with the Oracle, but I am unsure if it will replace my Volcano. Swapping between bowls is just much more tedious when you consider the little things. The warm-up times are way faster than the Volcano, but not nearly as fast as claimed in my experience. The vapor quality is the reason I think you would want to use the Oracle.
The Oracle I own/share heats up within seconds, you can really press the button and get nice vapor within the first 15 sec ( I do not dare say 10 but I do think that I reached vapor in less than 10 sec). So I guess you might have an issue here.
I kinf of agree with you on th bowl, another con for me is it does get hot and the rubber is a bit small to my liking.
Another thing BMI could work on is finding a way to cool down the herb chamber so that your herb don't seat in it percolating while the unit is off.
Maybe that's asking to much but I do hate the idea of knowing that my herb is cooking and releasing its goodness when I don't vape.
The only good vape that I know of and that is able to do that is the LB and the non hand-free vapes though, so that con is common to many vapes.
I kinf of agree with you on th bowl, another con for me is it does get hot and the rubber is a bit small to my liking.
Another thing BMI could work on is finding a way to cool down the herb chamber so that your herb don't seat in it percolating while the unit is off.
Maybe that's asking to much but I do hate the idea of knowing that my herb is cooking and releasing its goodness when I don't vape.
The only good vape that I know of and that is able to do that is the LB and the non hand-free vapes though, so that con is common to many vapes.
@dime - glad to hear your enjoying your Oracle! Being a new company, were always looking for ways to make our product better through interactions such as these (most times the negative ones are the most useful). Being involved in this community for the past several years, I have seen a wide variety of users who all have different expectations for their "ideal" vaporizer, yet things such as customer service and satisfaction are universal. Since everyone on our team uses vaporizers frequently, we all have the same fundamental expectations. Now back to your comments... 
Were working towards implementing a valve mechanism for the bag which will adapt to your current glass piece. As soon as we are finished designing and testing, we will make an announcement.
We have a run of herb trenches (fold-able postcards) on the way, which will make loading your bowl much easier. Let me know and i'll snail-mail one to you when the run is complete.
Right now the best way to clean the inside of the chamber is to use some isopropyl and a long q-tip.
As for the heat-up time, one thing which can slow it down is moist biomass. In most cases the first vapors released are lower temperature flavonoids which appear very thin, shortly after the thicker active ingredients will be released. If this is an issue fire me an email.
Glad to hear your like the vapor quality, we made sure to use the best and safest materials as to not compromise taste.
@Raf007 - Someone brought up the "simmering" point before and heres one way to look at it. Since our unit uses primarily light as the heat source, for it to be maintained at a certain temperatures requires the emitter to be on. The moment it is shut off, a good portion of that energy suddenly disappears and the ambient temperature in the chamber drops. I will make a video demonstrating this with a digital readout.
Were working towards implementing a valve mechanism for the bag which will adapt to your current glass piece. As soon as we are finished designing and testing, we will make an announcement.
We have a run of herb trenches (fold-able postcards) on the way, which will make loading your bowl much easier. Let me know and i'll snail-mail one to you when the run is complete.
Right now the best way to clean the inside of the chamber is to use some isopropyl and a long q-tip.
As for the heat-up time, one thing which can slow it down is moist biomass. In most cases the first vapors released are lower temperature flavonoids which appear very thin, shortly after the thicker active ingredients will be released. If this is an issue fire me an email.
Glad to hear your like the vapor quality, we made sure to use the best and safest materials as to not compromise taste.
@Raf007 - Someone brought up the "simmering" point before and heres one way to look at it. Since our unit uses primarily light as the heat source, for it to be maintained at a certain temperatures requires the emitter to be on. The moment it is shut off, a good portion of that energy suddenly disappears and the ambient temperature in the chamber drops. I will make a video demonstrating this with a digital readout.
dime
Well-Known Member
OK I am totally in love with this unit now. 
I've done a lot of testing with moist herb vs dry herb. With properly dried out herb, from a cold start, this unit really does produce vapor within 5 seconds. With moist herb you have to run it for maybe 30 seconds extra for the first bowl, but then it's good to go. Could just grind up herb and leave it out for an hour to avoid this. For this reason I think the Oracle beats the Volcano hands down for personal use. It is just so much less effort compared to having to look after some power/heating cycle... you just use it on demand.
The temperature produced from the Oracle can get incredibly hot; much hotter than any vaporizer I've used before. If you crank the temperature dial all the way up it will turn the herb nearly black (all the way through). You definitely have to be a bit more careful with the temperature setting with this in mind, and with the fast warm-up in mind as well. For this reason I think it might be helpful to see a digital temperature readout on this unit. I don't think this will be an issue once the user has gotten used to it however.
I have gotten over the production quality concerns I raised before, they really are non-issues. Again, I'll post pictures when I have time to support my claims so people know what I was talking about, but later. The minor issues don't bother me. I mentioned it already, but the one thing I wish was easier is bowl maintenance. It is a lot easier to dump/wipe/refill a Volcano bowl compared to an Oracle one, seeing as the Volcano bowl can sit upright on a table on its own and has a wide mouth to dump herb into.
Having owned many vaporizers, the Oracle is getting the day to day use. Seriously the infrared stuff is not a gimmick and significantly improves upon past vaporizer experiences.
I've done a lot of testing with moist herb vs dry herb. With properly dried out herb, from a cold start, this unit really does produce vapor within 5 seconds. With moist herb you have to run it for maybe 30 seconds extra for the first bowl, but then it's good to go. Could just grind up herb and leave it out for an hour to avoid this. For this reason I think the Oracle beats the Volcano hands down for personal use. It is just so much less effort compared to having to look after some power/heating cycle... you just use it on demand.
The temperature produced from the Oracle can get incredibly hot; much hotter than any vaporizer I've used before. If you crank the temperature dial all the way up it will turn the herb nearly black (all the way through). You definitely have to be a bit more careful with the temperature setting with this in mind, and with the fast warm-up in mind as well. For this reason I think it might be helpful to see a digital temperature readout on this unit. I don't think this will be an issue once the user has gotten used to it however.
I have gotten over the production quality concerns I raised before, they really are non-issues. Again, I'll post pictures when I have time to support my claims so people know what I was talking about, but later. The minor issues don't bother me. I mentioned it already, but the one thing I wish was easier is bowl maintenance. It is a lot easier to dump/wipe/refill a Volcano bowl compared to an Oracle one, seeing as the Volcano bowl can sit upright on a table on its own and has a wide mouth to dump herb into.
Having owned many vaporizers, the Oracle is getting the day to day use. Seriously the infrared stuff is not a gimmick and significantly improves upon past vaporizer experiences.
FLskwat
VAPOLITICS!
OK so I'm back to using my unit, and I CONFIRM ALL THE PREVIOUS STATEMENTS:
I LOOOOVE MY ORACLE!
Yes production can still be refined on some details (screw positionning for example). But discussing with BMI these details are no more a reality for the second batch.
Yes I can get vapor in 12-15 sec. and damm the flavor is incredible: I don't even get the popcorn taste though my ABV is coming out DARK EVEN brown.
I love infrared: cause the bag is full in 2:25 mn. (INCLUDING HEAT TIME) & cause if I crank it up I CAN CLEAR A BOWL IN 1 BAG...(similar to the Suprme on that point)!
I love the looks of the unit.
I love the mix attachment (whip & bag). This is the perfect setting for me: I can whip a bag!
So you blow a bag in 2:25mn, stop the unit and use the whip to clear progressively the vapor stored in the bag.
NO STIRRING AT ALL as there is a BIG cyclone effect in the bowl during bag filling...
What can I say... I'll do a long review but this might become my home daily unit.
I LOOOOVE MY ORACLE!
Yes production can still be refined on some details (screw positionning for example). But discussing with BMI these details are no more a reality for the second batch.
Yes I can get vapor in 12-15 sec. and damm the flavor is incredible: I don't even get the popcorn taste though my ABV is coming out DARK EVEN brown.
I love infrared: cause the bag is full in 2:25 mn. (INCLUDING HEAT TIME) & cause if I crank it up I CAN CLEAR A BOWL IN 1 BAG...(similar to the Suprme on that point)!
I love the looks of the unit.
I love the mix attachment (whip & bag). This is the perfect setting for me: I can whip a bag!
So you blow a bag in 2:25mn, stop the unit and use the whip to clear progressively the vapor stored in the bag.
NO STIRRING AT ALL as there is a BIG cyclone effect in the bowl during bag filling...
What can I say... I'll do a long review but this might become my home daily unit.
PoopMachine
Well-Known Member
Im still putting my Oracle through its paces but I have to say, with a little refinement, this could unseat the Volcano as the Cadillac of bag vapes. Expect a full review from me this week on this and the MagikWand.
FLskwat said:
Herb Trays have arrived!
The flaps on each end can be bent down to ensure easy unloading (great way to fill an Oracle bowl with these). They are very handy, can be folded flat for transport and are reusable, each Oracle unit will now include a free tray!
Cheers
The flaps on each end can be bent down to ensure easy unloading (great way to fill an Oracle bowl with these). They are very handy, can be folded flat for transport and are reusable, each Oracle unit will now include a free tray!
Cheers
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
I wonder if I could pose some follow-up questions to Oracle . . .
I assume this refers to connecting the bag to the bong via the GonG adapter. One reviewer stated that "My Volcano produces very harsh vapor. By comparison the Oracle produces incredibly smooth vapor. I don't know if it's because it just isn't as hot, or if there is really some difference in the way the vapor is produced." So, to what do you (Oracle) attribute the vapor being "a lot easier on the lungs" - quality of vapor? using the bag? less heat? And, easier than what?
Several questions on the above, please:
* Does the unit use a fan or a pump, and is it single or variable speed?
* Are there any issues, e.g., back-pressure into the pump (or fan), due to blocking the forced air flow (as the bong's water chamber would do). Or,
* Is the fan/pump powerful enough to actually push the vapor thru the water chamber?
IMHO, this is important to understand because the forced air system is always on, and some users will prefer a direct on-demand flow to the bong without using the bag as an intermediary.
Thank you very much. Certainly does look like an exciting new product!
I assume this refers to connecting the bag to the bong via the GonG adapter. One reviewer stated that "My Volcano produces very harsh vapor. By comparison the Oracle produces incredibly smooth vapor. I don't know if it's because it just isn't as hot, or if there is really some difference in the way the vapor is produced." So, to what do you (Oracle) attribute the vapor being "a lot easier on the lungs" - quality of vapor? using the bag? less heat? And, easier than what?
Several questions on the above, please:
* Does the unit use a fan or a pump, and is it single or variable speed?
* Are there any issues, e.g., back-pressure into the pump (or fan), due to blocking the forced air flow (as the bong's water chamber would do). Or,
* Is the fan/pump powerful enough to actually push the vapor thru the water chamber?
IMHO, this is important to understand because the forced air system is always on, and some users will prefer a direct on-demand flow to the bong without using the bag as an intermediary.
Thank you very much. Certainly does look like an exciting new product!
oldiebutgoodie said:
I think the main difference in "quality of vapor" is the air temperature. Since we use infrared heating (which doesn't warm the air directly), the convective effect is minimal and therefore produced vapors shouldn't come out as dry. I think the experience has a lot to do with the user, for example I find the first bag to be really mild, smooth and flavorful while the second bag will be heavier (this is where the bubbler or bong would come in handy).
I don't think that our bags make a particular difference in the "harshness of vapor" since we use a similar material to other leading brand vaporizers.
oldiebutgoodie said:
The unit uses an air pump with a single speed, hence the 1 button operation.
We don't recommend closing off the air path while the unit is running, although it is strong enough to push through water in your average bong.
Hope this helped!
P.S. My real name is Bogdan, to keep things a bit less formal
Cheers
FLskwat
VAPOLITICS!
So I have been playing with my Oracle for a month now, and it's time to review it!
Id like to thank BMI for the incredible communication we have been having together since I first bought it. Bogdan has been answering to all my questions, he was very interested in my feedbacks and suggestions and is clearly working in the right direction to improve something that is IMHO already the beauty and the beast of this market (desktop units):
Efficiency: 9.5 ?Yes efficiency is subjective we all know that here on FC. So Ill compare the Oracle to the Cano
A similar load to the minimum Cano load (0,1), will do the same number of bags. BUT those bags are full of a much thicker vapor and at the end of the sesh my ABV is coming out as I have never seen it. Though I never used an Herbalaire, I really think this vape goes as far with the ABV as the HA seems to go in the owners' reviewsSo in terms of efficiency the Oracle shines !
On a side note : this vape also has the ability to clear a bowl in 1 BAG Which to me is a BIG pro, though its another approach of efficiency Playing with the dimmer and using my described little tip in the "additional notes" section of this review you will be able to brownish/blackish a bowl in a 3mn. (30 sec. inhaling at the beginning +2mn30 normal process) bag time Such a pro in rush situations !
Vapor & Taste: 10 Unbelievable ! WTF ! Common ? The color and thickness of my Oracle vape bags have frighten some of my closest friendsLOL ! First bag unit that produces vape with weed (not concentrates eh !) in bags I CANNOT see through (and this is not an image : litteraly opaque !) . Thick vapor all the way, not a second of harshness, no popcorn tasteBogdan we are going to talk more, LOL ! And the beta mouthpiece I have tested is awesome : very light and still ergonomic ans tastefull ! HOMERUN !
In fact I have tested my AquaVape on the Oracle but to me, waterfiltration is unecessary with this baby !
Ease of use: 9
PROS : OK the ability of blowing a bag of thick vapor in 2mn30 (heat & blow !!!) Is great.
The design of using the bag as a vapor storage bag that can be progressively cleared through the whip (thats how I use it guys : I NEVER UNCLIPS THE BAG and that to me is just a revolution ) OR that can be unclipped for traditional vape bag purposes IS GENIUS !
The fact that you dont need to stir/touch/remove your bowl at any moment during the sesh because of the cyclone effect and the design is A BIG PRO for newbies, lazy stoners
Bags are easy to change and you can use any hoven bag out there
Those 5 are almost like 12/10
CONS : Glass for some people and some situations, though its not a problem for me and yes compared to a Cano this thing is a little more complexe to wash but with a weekly iso soak it shines as new: -0.5.
A missing cleaning tool/poker and herb tray in the package, and some improvements on the screens (I know BMI team are working on all these claims) : -0.5.
Durability: 8.5? The glass parts look similar (in thickness and quality) to the Arizer ones. The aluminium casing looks durable as hell but if you look inside through the bowl hole (WITH THE INFRARED OFF EH !!!!) its guts looks more sensible then a Canos Anyhow its supposed to be a house vape but I am not sure it will survive a 2 or 3 feet fallas I am sure my Cano would.
Aesthetics: 8 ?OK yes I am an Apple Addict, and with its casingThe Oracle looks like the baby from the union of a macbook pro unibody and an MFLB Simple ruff/raw industrial square volume, 1 button, 1 dimmer, aluminum looks from its daddy and infrared instant vapor & ease of use from its mommyMIAM !
My unit is from the 1st batch and some tiny adjustments must still be done in production at BMIs such as screw positionning, 2 or 3 angle of the bowl At least I love the looks of my bag unit in my living room which was not really the case with my Cano (no more then 5 in the aesthetic field), and All of these SMALL aesthetic issues have been answered by BMI and I truly believe the unit will soon receive the 10 it deserves!
Versatility: 10? Period !!! I received all the attachments and my question is what can I not do with my Oracle : vape hash : yes U can ; Increase the temp during a bag blow : yes u can ; clear a bowl in 1 bag : yes u can ; put my bag in a bong : yes u can ; use it as a direct draw air forced unit (with the elbow adaptor), no bag at all : yes U can
Overall: 9.3 ?OUTSTANDING VAPORIZER ! I might think about selling my Cano cause Im really satisfied with this beauty & the beast baby !
Additional Notes: ?The effect of the Oracle is different from other vapes : this vape is the only one that makes me reach satiation that fast I can forget I have half a bag there And believe me I have a pretty fucked up tolerance !!! This Oracle is HEAVY MEDICATION with an IMPRESSIVE stoney effect ! I do not know why (if it's infrared/100% glass/storage in a bag + whiping), but it clearly is a mind blower!
Oh and a usefull little tip : yes for the first bag, the time before first visible vapor is 30 to 40 sec. If you want to reduce the quantity of air in this first bag and have it as thick as the other ones you have 2 options : whip the blowing bag at the beginning of the heating/blowing process till you exhale vaporthen stop and close the whip valve OR heat the bowl empty while you grind your weed, then drop the grinded material directly into the already positionned AND HOT bowl : VOILA, you cannot see through the first bag
Hope that helped!
Id like to thank BMI for the incredible communication we have been having together since I first bought it. Bogdan has been answering to all my questions, he was very interested in my feedbacks and suggestions and is clearly working in the right direction to improve something that is IMHO already the beauty and the beast of this market (desktop units):
Efficiency: 9.5 ?Yes efficiency is subjective we all know that here on FC. So Ill compare the Oracle to the Cano
A similar load to the minimum Cano load (0,1), will do the same number of bags. BUT those bags are full of a much thicker vapor and at the end of the sesh my ABV is coming out as I have never seen it. Though I never used an Herbalaire, I really think this vape goes as far with the ABV as the HA seems to go in the owners' reviewsSo in terms of efficiency the Oracle shines !
On a side note : this vape also has the ability to clear a bowl in 1 BAG Which to me is a BIG pro, though its another approach of efficiency Playing with the dimmer and using my described little tip in the "additional notes" section of this review you will be able to brownish/blackish a bowl in a 3mn. (30 sec. inhaling at the beginning +2mn30 normal process) bag time Such a pro in rush situations !
Vapor & Taste: 10 Unbelievable ! WTF ! Common ? The color and thickness of my Oracle vape bags have frighten some of my closest friendsLOL ! First bag unit that produces vape with weed (not concentrates eh !) in bags I CANNOT see through (and this is not an image : litteraly opaque !) . Thick vapor all the way, not a second of harshness, no popcorn tasteBogdan we are going to talk more, LOL ! And the beta mouthpiece I have tested is awesome : very light and still ergonomic ans tastefull ! HOMERUN !
In fact I have tested my AquaVape on the Oracle but to me, waterfiltration is unecessary with this baby !
Ease of use: 9
PROS : OK the ability of blowing a bag of thick vapor in 2mn30 (heat & blow !!!) Is great.
The design of using the bag as a vapor storage bag that can be progressively cleared through the whip (thats how I use it guys : I NEVER UNCLIPS THE BAG and that to me is just a revolution ) OR that can be unclipped for traditional vape bag purposes IS GENIUS !
The fact that you dont need to stir/touch/remove your bowl at any moment during the sesh because of the cyclone effect and the design is A BIG PRO for newbies, lazy stoners
Bags are easy to change and you can use any hoven bag out there
Those 5 are almost like 12/10
CONS : Glass for some people and some situations, though its not a problem for me and yes compared to a Cano this thing is a little more complexe to wash but with a weekly iso soak it shines as new: -0.5.
A missing cleaning tool/poker and herb tray in the package, and some improvements on the screens (I know BMI team are working on all these claims) : -0.5.
Durability: 8.5? The glass parts look similar (in thickness and quality) to the Arizer ones. The aluminium casing looks durable as hell but if you look inside through the bowl hole (WITH THE INFRARED OFF EH !!!!) its guts looks more sensible then a Canos Anyhow its supposed to be a house vape but I am not sure it will survive a 2 or 3 feet fallas I am sure my Cano would.
Aesthetics: 8 ?OK yes I am an Apple Addict, and with its casingThe Oracle looks like the baby from the union of a macbook pro unibody and an MFLB Simple ruff/raw industrial square volume, 1 button, 1 dimmer, aluminum looks from its daddy and infrared instant vapor & ease of use from its mommyMIAM !
My unit is from the 1st batch and some tiny adjustments must still be done in production at BMIs such as screw positionning, 2 or 3 angle of the bowl At least I love the looks of my bag unit in my living room which was not really the case with my Cano (no more then 5 in the aesthetic field), and All of these SMALL aesthetic issues have been answered by BMI and I truly believe the unit will soon receive the 10 it deserves!
Versatility: 10? Period !!! I received all the attachments and my question is what can I not do with my Oracle : vape hash : yes U can ; Increase the temp during a bag blow : yes u can ; clear a bowl in 1 bag : yes u can ; put my bag in a bong : yes u can ; use it as a direct draw air forced unit (with the elbow adaptor), no bag at all : yes U can
Overall: 9.3 ?OUTSTANDING VAPORIZER ! I might think about selling my Cano cause Im really satisfied with this beauty & the beast baby !
Additional Notes: ?The effect of the Oracle is different from other vapes : this vape is the only one that makes me reach satiation that fast I can forget I have half a bag there And believe me I have a pretty fucked up tolerance !!! This Oracle is HEAVY MEDICATION with an IMPRESSIVE stoney effect ! I do not know why (if it's infrared/100% glass/storage in a bag + whiping), but it clearly is a mind blower!
Oh and a usefull little tip : yes for the first bag, the time before first visible vapor is 30 to 40 sec. If you want to reduce the quantity of air in this first bag and have it as thick as the other ones you have 2 options : whip the blowing bag at the beginning of the heating/blowing process till you exhale vaporthen stop and close the whip valve OR heat the bowl empty while you grind your weed, then drop the grinded material directly into the already positionned AND HOT bowl : VOILA, you cannot see through the first bag
Hope that helped!
I couldn't agree more...the quality of vapor produced by the Oracle might be the best of any Balloon Style Vaporizer...including the Volcano. The glass pieces worry me a bit (I can be clumsy), but the heat-up time and efficiency of this Vaporizer are top notch. With a little fine-tuning, I really think this Vaporizer could overtake the Volcano as the best Forced-Air Vaporizer.