The Mighty/Mighty+ by Storz & Bickel

[RufusOnslatt]

Hey y'all, I finally took the plunge and bought a Mighty as a present to myself to celebrate a year of being tobacco-free.

I started out on the vape trail with a MFLB, before upgrading to an Arizer Solo, then an Air. Reading this thread persuaded me to take the plunge on the Mighty and I am so glad I did. So, thank you all!

Jesus, this vape hits like a TRUCK. It seems to extract the vapour from my weed WAY more efficiently than the Solo or Air. I reckon I'm completely extracting a bowl on the mighty in about 8 minutes, taking reasonably deep draws starting at 380ish before a few 410 hits towards the end.

AVB is much more evenly cooked, far less singed. Like I say, seems to be much more fully extracted, so I'm intrigued to try making some ABV butter to compare potency with some made with Air / Solo ABV.

I suffer from back pain and instantly found the vapour from the Mighty to be even more helpful as an anti inflammatory / pain reliever than before. Flavour and density of vapour is wonderful too.

I found the Solo and Air to be sufficiently revelatory to stop 20 years of smoking 10-20 cigarettes a day. Now, with the Mighty, it feels like I am hitting the "next level" of vaping and it excites me greatly. I'm off to Amsterdam in a couple of months. My Mighty will be at my side throughout!

 

[LouFeinberg]

Is the FC-187 v2 a great match for the Mighty? If I only get one piece, this may be it. Or the original Mobius Ion perhaps. I hear recyclers are great and if there are any recommendations, I'm all ears.

I've been wondering this too! I tried searching this thread for FC-187, but got the message that "search keywords were too short, too long, or too common." Searching for "Mighty" on the cheap glass thread turned up a few results, but nothing very helpful.

Likewise all ears!

 

[Thcgos]

Hey y'all, I finally took the plunge and bought a Mighty as a present to myself to celebrate a year of being tobacco-free.

I started out on the vape trail with a MFLB, before upgrading to an Arizer Solo, then an Air. Reading this thread persuaded me to take the plunge on the Mighty and I am so glad I did. So, thank you all!

Jesus, this vape hits like a TRUCK. It seems to extract the vapour from my weed WAY more efficiently than the Solo or Air. I reckon I'm completely extracting a bowl on the mighty in about 8 minutes, taking reasonably deep draws starting at 380ish before a few 410 hits towards the end.

AVB is much more evenly cooked, far less singed. Like I say, seems to be much more fully extracted, so I'm intrigued to try making some ABV butter to compare potency with some made with Air / Solo ABV.

I suffer from back pain and instantly found the vapour from the Mighty to be even more helpful as an anti inflammatory / pain reliever than before. Flavour and density of vapour is wonderful too.

I found the Solo and Air to be sufficiently revelatory to stop 20 years of smoking 10-20 cigarettes a day. Now, with the Mighty, it feels like I am hitting the "next level" of vaping and it excites me greatly. I'm off to Amsterdam in a couple of months. My Mighty will be at my side throughout!

Bringing your Mighty to Amsterdam???
Geez your game...

I am way too scared to bring it with me on an international flight.
I just assume the funky lavender smell, and having to explain it to customs officials would be an absolute nightmare. Especially on the return trip!

There were 1-2 coffee shops I went to that had the volcano, but i know it's not the same as having your own mighty on hand.

 

[VapourHaze]

I have never touched my oven in any way in regards to cleaning it. I bought a new unit a couple of months ago and was very keen to experiment with the new unit compared to the old regarding the cleanliness of the oven in relation to performance. I found no noticeable difference whatsoever between the two units

My experience is very different. My bowl was brown ... it would only get up to 207 ... now its clean it hits 210.

Also if i preheated before ..the bowl smelt pretty bad .. popcorny vibe. Now it smells fine

 

[Stinky]

My experience is very different. My bowl was brown ... it would only get up to 207 ... now its clean it hits 210.

Also if i preheated before ..the bowl smelt pretty bad .. popcorny vibe. Now it smells fine

I have never vaped above 198c. There is no smell to my unit at all.

 

[Chandlerson]

I have never vaped above 198c. There is no smell to my unit at all.

I seriously doubt there is no smell. Maybe you can't smell anything but there is some smell present...

 

[Stinky]

I seriously doubt there is no smell. Maybe you can't smell anything but there is some smell present...

My unit honestly doesn't smell unless there is a cooling unit on top.

 

[organic weed]

Bringing your Mighty to Amsterdam???
Geez your game...

I am way too scared to bring it with me on an international flight.
I just assume the funky lavender smell, and having to explain it to customs officials would be an absolute nightmare. Especially on the return trip!

There were 1-2 coffee shops I went to that had the volcano, but i know it's not the same as having your own mighty on hand.

I'm heading to A'dam next month and had the same concerns. As long as you don't have any weed on you, you'll be fine. I'll do a deep cleaning of my Mighty before leaving, 90 • alcohol, brushing, soap and staff like that to avoid any resin build ups. It's more likely your t-shirts will make the dogs barking more than your unit :-)

Anyway, the only cons I've seen so far on the Mighty is the enormous amount of plastic. I'd assume it's all Chinese plastic and I've been reading a lot about vaping and one point is the long term effects of the VOC's that can be released. Weed will hide possible tiny plastic smell, meaning low dose of VOC's being released. I'm sure in 10 years when we'll have clearer rules regulating vaporizers, many manufacturers will have to use waaayyyy less plastic. They'll cost more but they'll be also safer...

 

[olysh pops]

What are the protips for using the Mighty at its best? Has anyone ever tried to list them all?

Yes, I ve tried to list them all, but it was in december 2014, so it is a bit old today. Here it is.

Additionally, there is a thread called Best-Of, it talks about Crafty but you can find tips for Mighty too, here.

 

[Stinky]

I'm heading to A'dam next month and had the same concerns. As long as you don't have any weed on you, you'll be fine. I'll do a deep cleaning of my Mighty before leaving, 90 • alcohol, brushing, soap and staff like that to avoid any resin build ups. It's more likely your t-shirts will make the dogs barking more than your unit :-)

Anyway, the only cons I've seen so far on the Mighty is the enormous amount of plastic. I'd assume it's all Chinese plastic and I've been reading a lot about vaping and one point is the long term effects of the VOC's that can be released. Weed will hide possible tiny plastic smell, meaning low dose of VOC's being released. I'm sure in 10 years when we'll have clearer rules regulating vaporizers, many manufacturers will have to use waaayyyy less plastic. They'll cost more but they'll be also safer...

That's really interesting. Can you link us to what you have read about the plastics?

 

[WakeAndVape]

Just get the Mighty and be done with it. There's no point to the endless cycle of upgrading. I'm so glad I skipped that whole process. I bought one crap vape for $100, then just said screw it and got the Mighty. I could have bought a series of vapes over time, never being satisfied and upgrading to a better unit each time, and would have still ended up with the Mighty anyways. Instead of spending over a thousand dollars to get to that point, I just bypassed the whole upgrade cycle and spent only $400. And I didn't end up with a bunch of unused vapes lying around. Nor did I have to spend countless hours browsing this forum.

Not that you FC regulars aren't wonderful people - you totally are!

That's interesting, I have acquired about six vaporizers AFTER the mighty:
arizer solo
arizer air
pax2 [2 and sold one]
Vapman
Lily
Vapor genie ss coil.
While the mighty is best at its craft. There are other vapes that are better for their own reasons.

 

[organic weed]

@Stinky it's something I've read in many places, some more scientific other not but it's a concern. The thing is that vaping has not been studied scientifically yet. All these vaporizers are private sector efforts that started from people who asked for an alternative to stop combusting. It's a market driven demand with very little independent research to evaluate all different aspects to guarantee we're vaping safely. It's all about business so far. If you read on top of the Mighty case you see the TÜV logo which is an independent quality certification. But what type of quality are we talking about? Manufacturing? Health? It's a bit misleading and unclear.
I do not know of any devices other than vaporizes that are meant to inhale staff. So what is the safe requirement to ensure a safe inhaling? No standards so far coz the market is too little still. But time will come when research will nail it all down and then the truth will come out. Maybe it's not as bad but all I'm saying is that plastic in vaporizers today is a concern

 

[Stinky]

@Stinky it's something I've read in many places, some more scientific other not but it's a concern. The thing is that vaping has not been studied scientifically yet. All these vaporizers are private sector efforts that started from people who asked for an alternative to stop combusting. It's a market driven demand with very little independent research to evaluate all different aspects to guarantee we're vaping safely. It's all about business so far. If you read on top of the Mighty case you see the TÜV logo which is an independent quality certification. But what type of quality are we talking about? Manufacturing? Health? It's a bit misleading and unclear.
I do not know of any devices other than vaporizes that are meant to inhale staff. So what is the safe requirement to ensure a safe inhaling? No standards so far coz the market is too little still. But time will come when research will nail it all down and then the truth will come out. Maybe it's not as bad but all I'm saying is that plastic in vaporizers today is a concern

Can you link us to what you have read about the plastics? I am sure everyone here would like to have a read if it concerns the plastic our units are made from.

did not get money back, eBay sided with seller.. do i have another way to get it back?
i'll post the username when i find it

@mightyhigh
How did you go with the username?

 

[Roth]

Anyway, the only cons I've seen so far on the Mighty is the enormous amount of plastic. I'd assume it's all Chinese plastic and I've been reading a lot about ...

Blind assumptions like this can be dangerous. Not all plastic is the same. It's like saying all metal is the same.

There are extremely high quality, high performance, space age plastics, and there red Solo cups. Not in the same ballpark.

If you have some information about the plastic specifically used in the Mighty/Crafty, that might be useful though.

 

[organic weed]

@Roth and @Stinky and others interested in the subject

ok, so this is the video that shows what the Crafty is made of... the Mighty is not different. At 2.48 min you'll see the thermostat and what surrounds it:

Basically it's all plastic.... and it has that pretty cheap PVC look ... We have a thermostat, heating up to 210 °C or even more due to heat losses surrounded by plastic that looks kind of cheap... hummmmm... first point to check... are all these plastic material of the right quality? S&B doesn't specify the material they use in their product information unfortunately... I'll call them or write an email and see if they reply coz I'm concerned.

There are only very few types of plastics that can manage heat. Most of them loose their physical and chemical characteristics below 150/200 °C, which is below or just above the heating point of cannabinoids. However, VOCs from these materials are released at much lower T. Releasing VOC and changing chemical and physical characteristics are two completely different things. There are a few types of plastic that start loosing their characteristics at 220 °C (not too far from the Mighty max T) and some above 300 °C BUT... these are high quality plastics made for special equipments like jet engines and staff like that... so, if I were S&B and I would used such plastic in my equipments, I would definitely mention it in the instruction manual because this would definitely be a major marketing point. HOWEVER, there is no mentions made by B&S. I guess it's not PVC because PVC start melting at 140°C, but it's really a shame that B&S doesn't specify the type of material their products are made of... I didn't find that very transparent towards their customers.

http://info.craftechind.com/blog/dont-sweat-it-these-4-high-temp-plastics-can-take-the-heat
http://www.dupont.com/products-and-...-resins/articles/heat-resistant-plastics.html

In addition as I already said, having high resistant plastic that will not melt or soften at a given T doesn't necessarily means that they won't start releasing VOC at lower temperature... actually, VOC are usually released at temperatures well below their melting point...

in addition the booklet recommends using Alcohol (ethyl) as a cleaner but shouldn't soak it for more than 1 hour because the plastic discolours and turns brittle. So, what type of "high quality plastic" is this that after 1 hour simply turns brittle and discolours? Hummmmm... doesn't sound very good indeed...

We'r all suffering from a highly unregulated product. There is no real official standard for vaporisers. The fact that the B&S products are the best out there doesn't necessarily mean there won't or can't be any better... when the market will start to be regulated, or when science will start looking into vaping from a truly independent R&D look, or when customers will start pressing companies like S&B disclose their information about their materials properties, then I guess we will all have happier and healthier vaping sessions... the very few scientific articles that have been looking into vaping have just compared CO and carcinogens linked to smoke but they haven't look into VOCs...

About the articles mentioning that plastic in vaporisers is a concern... as I said I've read it in a few places but don't remember where... they were just saying it is a concern and the issue should be investigated. I definitely agree with such point.

 

[UnshavenFish]

@Roth and @Stinky and others interested in the subject

ok, so this is the video that shows what the Crafty is made of... the Mighty is not different. At 2.48 min you'll see the thermostat and what surrounds it:

Basically it's all plastic.... and it has that pretty cheap PVC look ... We have a thermostat, heating up to 210 °C or even more due to heat losses surrounded by plastic that looks kind of cheap... hummmmm... first point to check... are all these plastic material of the right quality? S&B doesn't specify the material they use in their product information unfortunately... I'll call them or write an email and see if they reply coz I'm concerned.

Secondly, there are only very few types of plastics that can manage heat. Most of them loose their physical and chemical characteristics below 150/200 °C, which is below or just above the heating point of cannabinoids. However, VOCs from these materials are released at much lower T. Releasing VOC and changing chemical and physical characteristics are two completely different things. There are a few types of plastic that start loosing their characteristics at 220 °C (not too far from the Mighty max T) and some above 300 °C BUT... these are high quality plastics made for special equipments like jet engines and staff like that... so, if I were S&B and I would used such plastic in my equipments, I would definitely mention it in the instruction manual because this would definitely be a major marketing point. HOWEVER, there is no mentions made by B&S. I guess it's not PVC because PVC start melting at 140°C, but it's really a shame that B&S doesn't specify the type of material their products are made of... I didn't find that very transparent towards their customers.

http://info.craftechind.com/blog/dont-sweat-it-these-4-high-temp-plastics-can-take-the-heat
http://www.dupont.com/products-and-...-resins/articles/heat-resistant-plastics.html

In addition as I already said, having high resistant plastic that will not melt or soften at a given T doesn't necessarily means that they won't start releasing VOC at lower temperature... actually, VOC are usually released at temperatures well below their melting point...

We'r all suffering from a highly unregulated product. There is no real official standard for vaporisers. The fact that the B&S products are the best out there doesn't necessarily mean there won't be any better... when the market will start to be regulated, or when science will start looking into vaping from a truly independent R&D look, or when customers will start pressing companies like S&B disclose their information about their materials properties, then I guess we will all have happier and healthier vaping sessions... the very few scientific articles that have been looking into vaping have just compared CO and carcinogens linked to smoke but they haven't look into VOCs...

About the articles mentioning that plastic in vaporisers is a concern... as I said I've read it in a few places but don't remember where... they were just saying it is a concern and the issue should be investigated. I definitely agree with such point.

I don't own a mighty but do have a crafty,

Personally I would assume S&B did a bit of research on what materials to use with regards to temp as its a device that's main function is to heat up

Also I think the plastic your worried about is outside the vapour path so nothing we would inhale anyways, I have also read about worries with plastic but it's always been in the vapour path where there has been any concern if I recall right.

I did a quick search and couldn't find any info on materials used either, but if it's something that is on your mind I would suggest giving S&B a ring or email and ask the question, we could all guess but that's not going to get us any answers (and I'm sure your not the only one that would like to know)

Personally I'm not worried because of the isolated vapour path (from what I can tell) but I could be wrong, anyway if you do find out please report back as I'm sure people would be interested.

 

[organic weed]

@UnshavenFish the plastic is outside but gets very hot... take off the mouthpiece right away the session and you'll see how hot it is...

my worry started right after keeping the Mighty on for a full battery discharge and drawing and feeling a plastic smell... it did go away when I put my herb but probably that's been masked... many VOCs don't smell or taste...

I've just written an email to S&B about this and I'm ready to call them if I won't have the answer I'd like to receive after having paid 330 euros and 250 for the Plenty...

 

[UnshavenFish]

take off the mouthpiece right away the session and you'll see how hot it is...

I do this every session, unfortunately I'm not good at telling if something is hot, to me hot and cold feel almost the same, I can tell if something changes temp if I'm holding it sometimes but even then it's a bit hard, I'm the same with pain just don't feel it, which sound good but in reality when you break a bone and don't notice and have to have it rebroken to fix it you start to see the downsides just because it doesn't hurt I can still get damaged (I do expect to get superpowers soon due to all the x-Rays over the years )

It could be that the plastic smell you noticed was down to extended burn offs as the longer the unit runs the more heat transfer goes on (I don't know , it's not my area of expertise) also most new items including plastic have a new smell (like a new car smell) that goes away even when we are not talking about items that heat up or inhale from.

Maybe we will find out that part of the reason for the price is due to the materials used, obviously the other part is its S&B and they can get away with it

 

[MinnBobber]

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I've just written an email to S&B about this and I'm ready to call them if I won't have the answer I'd like to receive after having paid 330 euros and 250 for the Plenty...

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From another website:

"The miniVAP is the only portable vaporizer to have been submitted to the same test lab at Leiden University in the Netherlands for performance analysis as the Volcano. It matched the Volcano for THC levels and temperature reliability as well as lack of vapor impurities, off-gassing, etc."

This is not current so you my want to ask if the Plenty and Mighty/Crafty have been submitted to this rigorous testing, like the Volcano and miniVAP.

 

[Stu]

Guys, we have a rule:

• If you have a question or comment regarding material safety, post it in General Discussion. Do not post it in a model thread.

Your cooperation is appreciated.

 

[radiant34]

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From another website:

"The miniVAP is the only portable vaporizer to have been submitted to the same test lab at Leiden University in the Netherlands for performance analysis as the Volcano. It matched the Volcano for THC levels and temperature reliability as well as lack of vapor impurities, off-gassing, etc."

This is not current so you my want to ask if the Plenty and Mighty/Crafty have been submitted to this rigorous testing, like the Volcano and miniVAP.

I think it has safety approvals . Look in the manual they have various approvals from different safety companies.

I'm sending my unit for warranty. I inhaled a peice of chipped plastic that fell off from the housing into cooling chamber and straight into my mouth. hopefully I get a new unit. Anyone have the same luck from warranteeing cracked housing units?

 

[Stinky]

I think it has safety approvals . Look in the manual they have various approvals from different safety companies.

I'm sending my unit for warranty. I inhaled a peice of chipped plastic that fell off from the housing into cooling chamber and straight into my mouth. hopefully I get a new unit. Anyone have the same luck from warranteeing cracked housing units?

I have always received a new unit when I have sent it back for a cracked casing.

 

[radiant34]

I have always received a new unit when I have sent it back for a cracked casing.

have you sent it to the factory in germany? i think i mightve read that oakland seem a bit more strict.

 

[Stinky]

have you sent it to the factory in germany? i think i mightve read that oakland seem a bit more strict.

My retailer sends me a shipping label and I just return it to them here in Australia. They look after everything else for me.

 

[WakeAndVape]

have you sent it to the factory in germany? i think i mightve read that oakland seem a bit more strict.

I've sent in a unit for cracked housing and received the same mighty back. It was to oakland.