The Mighty/Mighty+ by Storz & Bickel

[JerryBears]

Anyone with a mighty willing to pack a full bowl, turn to max and take off the cooling unit to see?

Sounds like a wonderful idea if anyone can give it a go.

 

[RUDE BOY]

From S&Bs own copy they say they added conduction so you get good vapor starting from the very first hit.

I would think It has to continue with a good bit of conduction after that since that means it IS heating the whole chamber and that it is just another combo conduction/some convection vape judging from their own description.

 

[cityslang]

For you, maybe, but being that you don't know if that leakage is just residual from the cooling chamber or could, in fact, be due to more conduction going on than what is advertised, for me, this leakage would keep it way out of the "new gold standard of vaping" for me because two things that I put high on my priority list is efficiency and lack of smell and leakage contributes to both in the form of wasted vapor and additional smell.



The vapor path isn't that different from the Ascent and it leaked as well, with absolutely no pressure or fan pushing it out.

To add to this I have an S&B plenty and IMO it leaks a bit so I cover the hole and it makes a difference but I'm not sure it's just the leak it plugs but keeps the heat in but it turbocharges the Plenty

 

[lwien]

test for FC gonna use it pot pourri ^^

Edit gimme a min test @210°c which is max.. to be sure cap off.
Test: it is cooking slighty. damn hence conduction more then i thought it would but i never see it steaming like that with cap on seriously

Thank you so much for doing this, man. Much appreciated and it confirms what I thought was taking place with the Mighty.

Like I said previously, for some, this is no big deal, but for others such as myself, it is and just goes to prove once more that there is no such thing as the "perfect" vaporizer, for they all have their weaknesses in one form or another.

Edit: One thing I gotta add though. It's nice to see that S&B recognized this weakness and tried to address it with their one minute shut-off (I think it was to address this issue even more than to increase battery life). It doesn't eliminate the situation entirely, but it does make it much better than what happens with both the Pax and the Ascent.

 

[Dopevape]

No problem.

One more thing i might add or could add is the contact area for conduction is rather small its a ring about 4 to 5 millimeters thik so the effect is not that crazy.

 

[JerryBears]

Honest question, is the leakage really an issue unless you're wailing on it for fairly long sessions? With the Plenty, I had the same experience as cityslang, but it never seemed to waste anything because by that time I was well "medicated", and would just sip on any residuals while the temp dropped.

The temp on the Plenty dropped fast enough that it never seemed like it remained in the extreme temperature range long enough to pose any issues.

Again for me, the only issue I had with the Plenty was the bowl was so damn big, that I could easily mow through a g of ground material in one relatively short session. That was where any waste factored in... the mere fact the Plenty pushed heat through so much sheer volume of herb in one go, and really only giving 15 or so "full" hits with that huge of a pack.

So could someone hit the Mighty a few quick times, let the temperature drop, and come back to it for a couple sessions without it posing significant real-world waste?

 

[Dopevape]

@JerryBears Well no ofcourse not depends from person to person i guess. if you get medicated enough and even can do a second round then why would one worry about some leakage. I never make it to a second round tho hehe

You make me think about my verdamper times. Could also use alot of weed in there.

 

[max]

From S&Bs own copy they say they added conduction so you get good vapor starting from the very first hit.

I don't see how they 'add conduction', since it comes from the herb contacting a heated surface. It's either there in the design or it isn't. I think what they added was the fact that conduction heating was taking place, as well as convection. You can't have herb sitting in an enclosed heating chamber without some conduction heating going on.

 

[philosopher]

I think the conduction aspect is mentioned that way by S&B because it's not like most conduction/convection vapes. My experience with the Crafty and the Plenty is that they are pretty much the same in terms of fundamental design. On the Plenty, and on the Crafty as well, the temperature of the cone never actually gets THAT hot, and tends to get hot mostly once you've used it for awhile. I think it's just a hunk of metal that hot air passes over, keeping the chamber warm so that each hit is powerful. This definitely means that some will be roasted off over time if you keep a hot chamber idle. But in my experience with the Plenty and the Crafty, the roasting is far less than other conduction/convection style vaporizers.

 

[RUDE BOY]

Ok @max maybe i could of added a few more words to the above statement by saying they added it to the 'design'.

They Do Say they 'Added conduction' so the user will receive vapor from the FIRST HIT.

How do you interpret that statement then ?

It doesn't sound like its due to the chamber building up heat over time like say the solo that starts out convection then takes on aspects of conduction if you leave the stem in the chamber, but that the chamber heats so you get bigger visible vapor via conduction on the First hit which would mean the chamber itself is heating up to vaporizing temps.

How could the conduction properties Add to the FIRST HIT if the chamber doesn't heatup before you pull on it ? Please I want to know 'cause if you can vaporize via conduction without a hot surface in contact with the herbs that changes everything I thought i knew about what conduction means.

 

[philosopher]

rude boy: to clarify, I do think that the chamber is not directly heated by the element. That is why the Plenty doesn't feel hot until after the first hit. It is heated up a little bit by the heating element, but not nearly to vaporization temperatures by itself. I just think the metal is very efficient at absorbing heat - both units pass a lot of hot air over it (relative to their respective sizes), and it's not exactly a very dense or large piece of steel. Stainless steel is a very good conductor of heat.

 

[JCat]

I just want to chime in here that although I like convection properties ... I also like conduction properties ... (but I really don't like pure conduction vapes much at all ... the ratio needs to be in the "acceptable range" for me ... haven't quite determined what that is ... )

For instance, back when I owned a volcano, I would place the herb chamber on the Volcano while it heated up, then once heated would remove the top, add the herb, and take my hit. This yielded much more satisfactory bags with the added conduction properties of having a heated metal chamber (not super heated but definitely not cold). The issue I had with not preheating the chamber was that it then cooled the air temp too much and resulted in wispy vapor initially with increasing output as it heated ...

Anyways ... really just rambling here ... just mentioning this because I personally think a pre-warmed heating chamber helps a lot and a little conduction added to the convection mix is a good thing as long as its not too much.

 

[NorVape]

I'm mostly a session vaper. When I start toking, I toke hehe.

And my biggest problem with my current everyday driver, the PnP, is that it's best when used solo or with one other person.

Is this a better alternative for group sessions, given that it's a group of people with rather high tolerance levels?

 

[Dopevape]

@NorVape I think the mighty should fit your problem.

 

[Custom Flower Hardware]

For you, maybe, but being that you don't know if that leakage is just residual from the cooling chamber or could, in fact, be due to more conduction going on than what is advertised, for me, this leakage would keep it way out of the "new gold standard of vaping" for me because two things that I put high on my priority list is efficiency and lack of smell and leakage contributes to both in the form of wasted vapor and additional smell.



The vapor path isn't that different from the Ascent and it leaked as well, with absolutely no pressure or fan pushing it out.

If you watch my vid on the minivap then you'll see the same amount of "leakage" coming out of the drip tip at the end of the tube when I'm not hitting it. The minivap, being a full convection vape, that also doesn't heat the weed unless you're drawing through it has leakage of vapor too. How can this be? You might want to check out a T1, there is no leakage there as well as a firefly. This is MY new gold standard of vaping.

 

[JCat]

I like big hitters (like a lot) ... my tolerance is pretty high ... the ability to quickly extract everything with quality vapor are my primary considerations ... the only "portable" that's really done it for me so far is the MiniVAP (I can load 2 baskets w/ flexicones for a total of about 0.3g and walk outside w/ a preheated MiniVAP and kill both those .15g cones in <4 minutes ... like hitting the EVO .. kill 0.15 in 2-4 hits)

Every other portable has been a compromise ... but I like to be able to have something "in my pocket" pre-loaded (the Ascent for me these days) w/ .15+ to be able to quickly in a pinch take care of my current needs ... I'm very hopeful the Crafty will suit this purpose for me ... if it does then the Mighty will be very interesting as well to me as a less pocketable portable ...

Right now when I travel I generally have 2xAscents, 1xMiniVAP, and 1xSolo ... this sorta' covers all my bases ... (also carry a Zapubbler as a portable water tool to use outside with the MiniVAP and Solo) ... I keep 2xAscents pre-loaded with me for when I'm out-and-about ...

I'm very hopeful a Crafty will substitute for my 2xAscents (if it hits as hard as a MiniVAP) ... and the MiniVAP is a great device but very big ... so if the Mighty hits the same ... I might consider switching portable drivers ...

Anyway ... just some thoughts ... (definitely love my MiniVAP ... apart from size ... so it's going to accompany me on trips for a while anyways ... but a smaller but equal alternative would be very attractive ...)

Edit:

If you watch my vid on the minivap then you'll see the same amount of "leakage" coming out of the drip tip at the end of the tube when I'm not hitting it. The minivap, being a full convection vape, that also doesn't heat the weed unless you're drawing through it has leakage of vapor too. How can this be? You might want to check out a T1, there is no leakage there as well as a firefly. This is MY new gold standard of vaping.

If you are using the baskets in the MiniVAP, being that they are stainless steel, they offer quite a bit of conduction heating to the mix as well (they get hot fast and hold their heat) ... if you vape without the baskets then there is less conduction (although the Teflon chamber does get hot very quickly as well as cool very quickly, I suspect adding quite a bit of conduction to the mix during an inhale .... although if your inhales are spaced far enough apart since it cools so quickly ... similar to that it heats so quickly ... the loss between hits would be minimal ... all this being said most people who own a MiniVAP use the SS baskets and thus there is quite a bit of conduction happening as well ... just like in the EVO ... although maybe less than the EVO depending how long its been on ...)

Wow ... really rambling today apparently ... just rambling out my personal opinions on these vapes and the convection/conduction mix ...

 

[Snappo]

I just want to chime in here that although I like convection properties ... I also like conduction properties ... (but I really don't like pure conduction vapes much at all ... the ratio needs to be in the "acceptable range" for me ... haven't quite determined what that is ... )

For instance, back when I owned a volcano, I would place the herb chamber on the Volcano while it heated up, then once heated would remove the top, add the herb, and take my hit. This yielded much more satisfactory bags with the added conduction properties of having a heated metal chamber (not super heated but definitely not cold). The issue I had with not preheating the chamber was that it then cooled the air temp too much and resulted in wispy vapor initially with increasing output as it heated ...

Anyways ... really just rambling here ... just mentioning this because I personally think a pre-warmed heating chamber helps a lot and a little conduction added to the convection mix is a good thing as long as its not too much.

How about if someone here takes a bowl-sized screen and shapes it into a narrow deep dome. Place it into the Mighty bowl so that only a very small portion of the bowled screen makes contact with the Mighty bowl - as needed, reshape screen to further minimize contact with the inner bowl sides. Load screen, set to temp/s, draw, and see how minimized direct herb contact affects function & performance i.e., conduction/convection ratio now assumed to be leaning much more heavily towards convection. And does it still bleed-off a bit of vapor into the cooling chamber and through the mouthpiece as much between hits?

 

[Custom Flower Hardware]

I just tested it. Turned up to 410 with a full bowl without the cooling chamber. (gonna post video soon) There is a fair bit of conduction, but at 410 I bet the pax has a lot more.

 

[JCat]

How about if someone here takes a bowl-sized screen and shapes it into a narrow deep dome. Place it into the Mighty bowl so that only a very small portion of the bowled screen makes contact with the Mighty bowl - as needed, reshape screen to further minimize contact with the inner bowl sides. Load screen, set to temp/s, draw, and see how minimized direct herb contact affects function & performance i.e., conduction/convection ratio assumed to be leaning heavily towards convection. And does it still bleed-off a bit of vapor into the cooling chamber and through the mouthpiece between hits?

Even in this scenario the stainless steel screen offers some conduction to the mix ... (really not trying to be argumentative by the way but just offering the argument out there with no scientific evidence to back it but just hypothesize that this is the case ... obviously decreasing the length of contact significantly reduces the conduction effect ... one could have more pure convection in some cases as well where the herb "flies about" and thus resists conduction and increases convective effects ... but in most cases where the herb has contact with an increasingly heated surface ... that has to add enough conductive effect ... just some thoughts )

 

[grokit]

The ONLY time I want my herbs being cooked is when I'm hitting hit.

Firefly time?

I was thinking that the conduction aspect of these vapes was more of a pre-heat than a constant thing, like once the chamber is up to temp convection takes over. Does this make any sense to you guys?

 

[lwien]

I just tested it. Turned up to 410 with a full bowl without the cooling chamber. (gonna post video soon) There is a fair bit of conduction, but at 410 I bet the pax has a lot more.

I sure would like to see that against a black background rather than daylight through a window. If you could do that, that would be great. Thanks for the vid though.

Firefly time?

I was thinking that the conduction aspect of these vapes was more of a pre-heat than a constant thing, like once the chamber is up to temp convection takes over. Does this make any sense to you guys?

Maybe, but the instant application and removal of heat has always been something that I REALLY like and is the reason that I like my LSV, and to a bit lesser of an extent, my Purple Days and my MFLB so much.

 

[sasNW]

Thanks for the vid @ShayWhiteGrow

Any chance you could post a pic of the abv from just letting it cook like that? Very interested to see how much is being cooked

 

[Snappo]

Even in this scenario the stainless steel screen offers some conduction to the mix ... (really not trying to be argumentative by the way but just offering the argument out there with no scientific evidence to back it but just hypothesize that this is the case ... obviously decreasing the length of contact significantly reduces the conduction effect ... one could have more pure convection in some cases as well where the herb "flies about" and thus resists conduction and increases convective effects ... but in most cases where the herb has contact with an increasingly heated surface ... that has to add enough conductive effect ... just some thoughts )

Re my little experiment posted above: While considering that conduction is reduced, I may have erringly assumed that convection increases (it does only in ratio?). When drawing, I think that the standard operating measure of convection probably remains mostly unchanged, irrespective of conduction. I wonder if there is a senser that coordinates a conduction/convection/draw ratio with an algorithm. Anyway, I'm curious to know how it performs with as much conduction as can be eliminated. If it performs strongly with vapor production and flavor with less conduction involved, that might be something that the user can regulate via the app. Some folks prefer convection flavor, some folks haven't a preference. Further, conduction cooks (though I doubt it cooks all that much): an app could perhaps allow us to turn down the oven and still permit full convective heating. Again, I catch myself assuming that there are two independent heaters at work here. Just my fingers tapping out thoughts.

 

[Custom Flower Hardware]

MORE LEAKING!!!! SON OF A

Thanks for the lighting tip Stu!

 

[elmomuzz]

Don't forget that 410 f is the maximum temp and a lot higher then is normally used. So this is the worst case scenario.

The Mighty is no miser. It's purpose is to give a desktop experience in a portable. It certainly will be more then some require.

If the Mighty is like the plenty then the metal bowl is physically connected to the heater and they heat as one.