The Magic-Flight Box

[DasBlunt]

If people were combusting, their leftover material would be black and ash.

I see it here often, just bought one of the new ones, Atmos Raw, pure crap. Uneven burning is not vaporizing.

They all combust IMO unless you are able to stir and mix the load properly. None of them really have the room in the chambers.

 

[Vicki]

I see it here often, just bought one of the new ones, Atmos Raw, pure crap. Uneven burning is not vaporizing.

They all combust IMO unless you are able to stir and mix the load properly. None of them really have the room in the chambers.

Have you tried every single vaporizer made, and combusted in all of them? I have never even come close to combusting in my Herbalaire.

 

[MileHighLife]

Just wanted to throw praise where it's deserved real quick ... I've been using my original mflb for about 3 years now with no hickups and no need for the incredible lifetime warranty.

Mflb + pa 2.0 = 0 problems when using after left in a freezing cold truck.

PNP and solo both have hard times heating up and tend to shut down once or twice during heat up if left in a freezing cold truck.

If I could only keep 1 portable out of my collection it would be the mflb.

 

[Buildozer]

I see it here often, just bought one of the new ones, Atmos Raw, pure crap. Uneven burning is not vaporizing.

They all combust IMO unless you are able to stir and mix the load properly. None of them really have the room in the chambers.

If it's not cherried up, making its own ash and smoke, then it counts as vapor to me... Just my personal opinion.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Hey I feel you DAS, but Vicki is right about the ash and black ABV. I feel many of our members have
become dazzeled by the lights, but that's their choice.
I just got some Glyphs and they fit nice and snug in my box which was reamed by the
banana plug on the beta power adapter. Nice to be off the cord and back to total vape
freedom eventhough these new Glyphs seem just a tad weaker then the old beta ones.
They still do a wonderful job, and I'm back to vaping in the great outdoors.
My high always felt stronger outdoors then in my garage or basement with the exhaust fan on.

Do you vape a lot in the garage or basement? Interestingly enough, when you vape (or do other psychoactive drugs) in a very similar setting for a while, your brain associates that place with being under the influence and you get a tolerance to even that. I've read case studies about people on morphine for chronic pain being stable on doses for months, and then a big change like a move or an unfamiliar setting causing the effects to be more pronounced, sometimes to the point of the patients being admitted. The mind is a very interesting thing, the way it processes everything even when we don't think about it. I'm the same way with vaping at my desk, there will be times when I am not really feeling anything, but going to a different situation and the effects start to become a little more noticeable. Perhaps you're subconsciously going out when you gain a slight environmental tolerance to feel effects?

The thing I was talking about is called learned tolerance (also sometimes situational tolerance). Here's a short piece talking about how heroin addicts would end up overdosing even though they didn't have higher-than-normal levels of drugs in their bodies. The only difference is we just get more stoned and hungry and then we forget we were even vaping to begin with instead of... ya know...

Have you tried every single vaporizer made, and combusted in all of them? I have never even come close to combusting in my Herbalaire.

Vicki, he was referring to THC Sci's prototype desktop vape, in that thread he (THC) posted some ABV shots of the material, one looked quite dark. Not sure what to make of it, I would have to taste it myself. I find that the difference between heavy vapor and combustion is sharp and acrid in my mouth for lack of better words.

 

[paytonpenn]

I see it here often, just bought one of the new ones, Atmos Raw, pure crap. Uneven burning is not vaporizing.

They all combust IMO unless you are able to stir and mix the load properly. None of them really have the room in the chambers.

I feel you'd have to pretty much not be inhaling to combust with the MFLB without a PA. I let new users try and they still end up inhaling too fast.

But I agree with you if you are praising the MFLB and saying boo the Almost Raw.
You should check out the T-Vape, I've revaped ABV and have never seen combustion, but it will make it black without combusting if you're able to stand the taste. Its also always perfectly evenly vaped.

I'm actually pretty interested in looking at some pictures of combusted abv if you have links.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

I feel you'd have to pretty much not be inhaling to combust with the MFLB without a PA. I let new users try and they still end up inhaling too fast.

But I agree with you if you are praising the MFLB and saying boo the Almost Raw.
You should check out the T-Vape, I've revaped ABV and have never seen combustion, but it will make it black without combusting if you're able to stand the taste. Its also always perfectly evenly vaped.

I'm actually pretty interested in looking at some pictures of combusted abv if you have links.

They're here, scroll down for another picture. Don't want to really get into the performance of one vaporizer in the thread of another, so I guess the Persei thread is the place to chat up THC's new (picture unavailable) desktop vape.

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/t...bs-and-concentrates.4873/page-644#post-502781

 

[MileHighLife]

They're here, scroll down for another picture. Don't want to really get into the performance of one vaporizer in the thread of another, so I guess the Persei thread is the place to chat up THC's new (picture unavailable) desktop vape.

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/t...bs-and-concentrates.4873/page-644#post-502781

Arrgh can you say inconsistent abv? I'm really surprized he's even posting anything about that vape. It seems like it's got a ways to go in development if he needs to hook up a vacuum cleaner to get brown abv. Funny company imo ... "stay tuned" lol

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Arrgh can you say inconsistent abv? I'm really surprized he's even posting anything about that vape. It seems like it's got a ways to go in development if he needs to hook up a vacuum cleaner to get brown abv. Funny company imo ... "stay tuned" lol

It's still in development... I think with a less coarse grind there's something to be investigated. It's at least being able to keep up with the air draw of a vacuum without charring. Imagine a VHX Evo with a dry HydraTube attached to a vacuum hose... What kind of milking would that be like? It's just interesting to see the company transition. The Launch Box did get the PA which made it an even more viable desktop (though some would argue that being cordless is half of the appeal). I like looking at new toys, especially ones that aren't working like they want them to yet. Those are the fun ones

I try to envision what Magic Flight's desktop rendition would look like but I come up blank. Last I heard, they were having some problems with finding a battery manufacturer to make the nuclear batteries for the Faulk1... still some time away, I guess

 

[MileHighLife]

It's still in development... I think with a less coarse grind there's something to be investigated. It's at least being able to keep up with the air draw of a vacuum without charring. Imagine a VHX Evo with a dry HydraTube attached to a vacuum hose... What kind of milking would that be like? It's just interesting to see the company transition. The Launch Box did get the PA which made it an even more viable desktop (though some would argue that being cordless is half of the appeal). I like looking at new toys, especially ones that aren't working like they want them to yet. Those are the fun ones

I try to envision what Magic Flight's desktop rendition would look like but I come up blank. Last I heard, they were having some problems with finding a battery manufacturer to make the nuclear batteries for the Faulk1... still some time away, I guess

I would like to watch his development and see his "new toys" that aren't working great yet ... pics of ABV or talking about a new product that he is working on is just an annoyance because everyone wants to see it but no one gets to.

This is watching development:

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-lazyvape.11511/#post-495332

Edit: sorry for derailing

 

[DasBlunt]

The derailing was my fault, but I also disagree about black material having not been combusted. Making commercial charcoal out of trees does not make ash FYI.

The temp profiles for the substances we are after in vaporizing are fragile, complex and not easy to control at higher ANY higher temps. With a .5" square sample, to have even one quarter be a different temp ( burnt) , can cause different effects than expected. Perfect vaporizing might not appear to be possible, but it is, depending on the tool and user.

Why settle? Industry?

 

[OF]

The derailing was my fault, but I also disagree about black material having not been combusted. Making commercial charcoal out of trees does not make ash FYI.

Good point, but making charcoal for the barbie isn't combustion either. It's basically vaporization as we define it.

Combustion has a scientific/chemical definition. Converting hydrocarbons to oxides by combining them with oxygen (which is why hut hulls, fruit pits and the other stuff that go into a BBQ are roasted in an oxygen free condition). The characteristic clues are presence of CO2 and water vapor (the two principle combustion products) in the reaction and the liberation of heat. Combustion makes hot, which is often why we do it. This is what makes ash and the nasty taste, higher temperatures that suddenly happen when combustion starts. As we practice it, it's a degenerative situation, once it starts if you keep feeding it more oxygen you need add no more heat, it's about to be cherry time......with the attendant gagging and swearing.

IMO, nasty tastes, gray ash and gagging tokers are signs of combustion. And extra heat from making CO2 and water vapor is the cause.

OF

 

[SpruceGruve]

I have owned my MFLB for two years and it has preformed great,I only use it as a on the go vaporizer so I have never bought the power adapter.
But did buy two extra batteries and I have never ran out of power in a days heavy use.

Works best with finely ground up material,but just being dry enough works aswell

 

[MileHighLife]

I have owned my MFLB for two years and it has preformed great,I only use it as a on the go vaporizer so I have never bought the power adapter.
But did buy two extra batteries and I have never ran out of power in a days heavy use.

Works best with finely ground up material,but just being dry enough works aswell

I had never seen a use for the pa either but ordered one during one of the massdrop deals and couldn't be happier! Can real fine tune everything in. Don't get me wrong I still love this little vape on batteries and I used mine without a pa for over 2 years.

An added bonus with the pa 2.0 ... it uses a 2.1mm plug @ 12 volts so the wall wart & car adapter will work with most log vapes.

 

[axakal]

strangely, i use my pa really rarely. maybe because i got it at nearly the same time as i got the glyphs. so i was test running the glyphs and got used to them. it just didn't happen that i ran out of loaded batteries since. which just coincides with me vaping less and almost always having at least 4 loaded batteries on me. prepared like this, i just rarely feel tempted to deal with the cables of the pa. but it's almost always with me when i go over to friends for prolonged vaping sessions. just in case, you know.

 

[SpruceGruve]

I do a lot of road trips and it would be cool to avoid battery shuffling in the car,I might have to consider one if a sale happens again.

I know only the Pa2.0 is available now.but why was the original discontinued?

 

[axakal]

did you like the design of the old one better?

I know only the Pa2.0 is available now.but why was the original discontinued?

 

[SpruceGruve]

I don't overly like/dislike the original,I was just wondering because my old roommate has a old one I might get for cheep.

But if it was overheating or short circuiting I might get the v2 when a sale happens

 

[pakalolo]

I don't overly like/dislike the original,I was just wondering because my old roommate has a old one I might get for cheep.

But if it was overheating or short circuiting I might get the v2 when a sale happens

The v1 PA did not have issues like that. The v2 simply improved several aspects of the design. If you have a shot at a cheap v1, jump on it. The PA is a terrific accessory if you use your LB at your desk or some other place where you're stationary and near an outlet.

 

[OF]

The v1 PA did not have issues like that. The v2 simply improved several aspects of the design. If you have a shot at a cheap v1, jump on it. The PA is a terrific accessory if you use your LB at your desk or some other place where you're stationary and near an outlet.

Once again, Pak has nailed it. IMO V2 is more a repackaging than anything else. Many would say more attractive (matches the box much more) and improved in a problem area for some (contact and other issues in the 'head' part that inserts into the box).

Electrically they're on par (both do the same job) and the V1s are warrantied against actual hard failures (like when the cord gets broken).

IMO no need at all to be concerned adopting a V1.

OF

 

[MileHighLife]

I do a lot of road trips and it would be cool to avoid battery shuffling in the car,I might have to consider one if a sale happens again.

I know only the Pa2.0 is available now but why was the original discontinued?

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/mflb-power-adapter

 

[Venus&Mars]

Hi everyone,
I want to do a review comparison on MFLB and the Ascent Vaporizer by DaVinci.
I have been vaping on and off for maybe 3 years, MFLB being my first. MFLB had amazed me with its stealth abilities, vaping in the movie theatre, in a car full of people, bathrooms, etc., and never getting noticed has provided the best Ninja High I have ever experienced. My favorite technique is to load some keif, melt it on to the screen so your ready to go anywhere, and get those 3-4 hits that get you ripped! Truly amazing. At one point i used the LB for a whole year without having to (purposely) combust once! Specially in conjunction with the Power Adapter, its truly an all around Vaporizer. Design is simple, which I realized is the best method for reliability A+B=C. Now for the ascent, I had just ordered the Stealth Ascent Vaporizer about 2 in a half weeks ago. I really enjoy the discreet design, it looks just like a cell phone or MP3! I've used it in stores, and never got any looks. Fast heat up, great tasting vapor but felt like it took awhile to finish one load, I always run it on 430, I wish it could get hotter for quicker sessions to serve it's stealthy purpose IMO (My opinion may be influenced by MFLB). That being said I never attempted to use it in a theatre or in a highly public area, because of the lack of controls over the temperature, and smell etc. Also, I think this might be just me, could be my schwag (which really isn't schwag) but I felt I had to vape a lot more often because the high seemed to be a bit light....Alright I think its time to bring the hammer down, and I think you already know where I am going with this hammer...my ascent completely stopped heating up after 2 weeks of straight use.. When I turn it on it stays on 70 degrees but when I plug in the charger it starts heating up right away. When plugged to the charger the ascent doesn't even show it being charged either. I am very disappointed in the reliability of this device, for I really needed it at the time it stopped working. I have only dropped it once from waist height, no biggy. One week after for no reason just stopped heating. There's no way of opening the device and trying to fix it which I really don't like. This has proven to me that digital vaporizer cannot be trusted. I spoke with their customer service, and they will give me a refund after they test it. I sent my Ascent yesterday, after cleaning it out as best I could with ISO and rubbing some Rosemary oil around the package (in case it still smelled). Overall I think the ascent is a good design, just needs to be tested more for defects, and if your getting it for stealth, I don't think its the best except for the fact it looks like a cell phone/mp3. So I am going back to MFLB, their sending me a new LB and PA. I actually stopped using MFLB for almost a year because I didn't want to send in my dank smelling box to renew my warranty but found out recently they changed it to just sending a photo to renew it. Amazing customer service, even though I had been in limbo for a year they happily sent me a new box and even the new version of the PA!!! Sorry I know I am a bit one sided on this comparison, my opinion isn't that reliable just so know, im one human with little empirical data in this area. Hope all will go well and I get my refund. Will keep you guys posted!

 

[axakal]

fancy, feature loaded and expensive just does not equal relaiable. the ascent surely has got it's merrits, like the m-16 had. however, legend goes, the americans not rarely grabbed the far more "primitive" AKs of fallen vietcong soldiers. reliability and resistance against minor damages was the key. the example wasn't meant to glorify weapons technology, i just liked to throw an analogy from the world outisde the world of vaporizers. with the mflb you just found your AK again.

 

[Venus&Mars]

fancy, feature loaded and expensive just does not equal relaiable. the ascent surely has got it's merrits, like the m-16 had. however, legend goes, the americans not rarely grabbed the far more "primitive" AKs of fallen vietcong soldiers. reliability and resistance against minor damages was the key. the example wasn't meant to glorify weapons technology, i just liked to throw an analogy from the world outisde the world of vaporizers. with the mflb you just found your AK again.

Brilliant analogy! Thanks, I think the key to understanding everything is through analogies haha.

 

[TreeTrunkBuddha]

Anyone have experience with the concentrate trays?

Just ordered the PA, might get the whip, water pipe adaptor, and concentrate trays to go with