The Magic-Flight Box

[Kazorus]

Edit- Just got it in hand, I gotta say- holy shit this thing is a monster compared to the one I had, almost combusted on my first toke haha

Got it down now, and I think it's gonna replace my vaporite for 1-man sessions

Can't wait to see what it's like compared to the old, busted version.

And that version was pretty damn good.

 

[$unnyblaq]

@Grim Chiclets Sweet just in time for magic flight mondays, i always dedicate my monday to my sweet box today now you can too.

 

[New_World]

the PA is a must if you already own the MFLB.

ymmv

 

[caves]

I have mailman anticipation
My new box will be here in a matter of hours, I'll let you all know how it is brand new [with these nice, fairly new batteries I got sent by another FC user ] compared to how it was..

Edit- Just got it in hand, I gotta say- holy shit this thing is a monster compared to the one I had, almost combusted on my first toke haha

Got it down now, and I think it's gonna replace my vaporite for 1-man sessions

My replacement box is a demon and runs much hotter than my year and a half old one. She's settled down a little bit (or maybe I've just gotten used to her ), but I only need a ~30-35% setting on the PA to do a whole trench. The old box liked a PA setting of ~60-70%. The new one still works great, though! Just gotta be a little more careful.

 

[KidFated.]

My replacement box is a demon and runs much hotter than my year and a half old one. She's settled down a little bit (or maybe I've just gotten used to her ), but I only need a ~30-35% setting on the PA to do a whole trench. The old box liked a PA setting of ~60-70%. The new one still works great, though! Just gotta be a little more careful.

It'll calm down as the screen gets more "used"

New boxes run scary hot when your used to a worn in box

 

[hf]

 

[mplx]

If MF ever makes a travel brochure for good vaping places that picture should definitely be included. Damn what a beautiful sight

 

[hf]

If MF ever makes a travel brochure for good vaping places that picture should definitely be included. Damn what a beautiful sight

It would be fun to have a bunch of different photos like that, I live on Oahu now so beautiful vaping spots are easy to come by haha

 

[OF]

If MF ever makes a travel brochure for good vaping places that picture should definitely be included. Damn what a beautiful sight

It would be fun to have a bunch of different photos like that, I live on Oahu now so beautiful vaping spots are easy to come by haha

A couple years back we had such a contest. Featuring the PD IIRC. Kind of a 'where's Waldo' thing. PD cameos as well as panoramic shots. IIRC there was a even a prize? Some guys really got into it, would post several photos a week. Lots of fun, but not long on educational value........including some 'risky behavior' as you might expect. Not good examples for the young.....

OF

 

[hf]

A couple years back we had such a contest. Featuring the PD IIRC. Kind of a 'where's Waldo' thing. PD cameos as well as panoramic shots. IIRC there was a even a prize? Some guys really got into it, would post several photos a week. Lots of fun, but not long on educational value........including some 'risky behavior' as you might expect. Not good examples for the young.....

OF

dang that sounds fun!

 

[New_World]

i run my PA at 100% and pulse the power button.
I don't like using it at low power.

 

[KidFated.]

I start low and work my way up. 100 I get pyrolysis to begin no matter how I draw.

 

[OF]

I start low and work my way up. 100 I get pyrolysis to begin no matter how I draw.

I think the OP is pulsing the power to keep peak temperature in line.

Sort of like the other way to do cruse control, by flooring it then lifting your foot up and coasting before flooring it again. It can work, of course, but getting near maximum results on average is tougher. Like trying to hold the legal limit on the freeway with the 'floor it and coast' technique with a cop right behind you. In this case the speeding ticket is the analog of combustion.......

OF

 

[1flyfisher]

Hello All,
I recently purchased a MFLB and have been using it for about a month now.
I have some questions regarding its use and performance.
When I draw on it I let the heat hit my tongue and I try to keep it from getting hot.
#1.) How hot is the draw supposed to be?
Also I have what can be described as 4 gaps or splits in the screen in each corner of the trench. #2.) Is there supposed to be space there? It appears the screen is separating and the gaps have gotten bigger. They get clogged with herb.
When I first got it I accidentally combusted. My screen is extremely bronze. I believe I cooked it badly.
3.) Would this damage the screen and it's performance?
Thanks in advance.

 

[OF]

Hello All,
I recently purchased a MFLB and have been using it for about a month now.
I have some questions regarding its use and performance.
When I draw on it I let the heat hit my tongue and I try to keep it from getting hot.
#1.) How hot is the draw supposed to be?
Also I have what can be described as 4 gaps or splits in the screen in each corner of the trench. #2.) Is there supposed to be space there? It appears the screen is separating and the gaps have gotten bigger. They get clogged with herb.
When I first got it I accidentally combusted. My screen is extremely bronze. I believe I cooked it badly.
3.) Would this damage the screen and it's performance?
Thanks in advance.

Howdy, welcome to the Forum. Good choice of a first vape, IMO.

Don't worry about anything, you're doing fine. You'll learn to hit it by trial and error. Repeat what works for you. Most hit it too hard, try lots of small sips. I don't think it's really possible to talk 'how hot', way too subjective. It's what I'd call 'pretty warm'. The folds in the corners of the screen are normal, it's a flat sheet to start. The golden color is normal. Deposits from conduction will eventually fade away. Do a couple of 'battery burns' followed by brushing if you want to hurry that along, but it'll take care of itself over time.

Keep the bud dry and well ground, the batteries freshly charged, trench full to the rails (never over) and shake, shake, shake between hits. You'll do fine.

OF

 

[1flyfisher]

Howdy, welcome to the Forum. Good choice of a first vape, IMO.

Don't worry about anything, you're doing fine. You'll learn to hit it by trial and error. Repeat what works for you. Most hit it too hard, try lots of small sips. I don't think it's really possible to talk 'how hot', way too subjective. It's what I'd call 'pretty warm'. The folds in the corners of the screen are normal, it's a flat sheet to start. The golden color is normal. Deposits from conduction will eventually fade away. Do a couple of 'battery burns' followed by brushing if you want to hurry that along, but it'll take care of itself over time.

Keep the bud dry and well ground, the batteries freshly charged, trench full to the rails (never over) and shake, shake, shake between hits. You'll do fine.

OF

It's not folds in the corners its a gap or space a seperation. I can show you if I can figure out How to post a pic from my pc?

 

[OF]

It's not folds in the corners its a gap or space a seperation. I can show you if I can figure out How to post a pic from my pc?

If it's symmetrical it's not a breakdown but a feature. Tears (at the welds at the rails) are obvious, progressive and random. There should be four gaps where the side walls of the trench come together. In a small triangular section the mesh is 3 layers thick near those corners, the gaps are there, but they're not really gaps in that nothing can fall through them.

To post photos open a free account at one of the hosting services like Imjur.com. You upload your photo there, it gives you a link which you paste into your post. You want the "BB code for Forums" link.

OF

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

If it's symmetrical it's not a breakdown but a feature. Tears (at the welds at the rails) are obvious, progressive and random. There should be four gaps where the side walls of the trench come together. In a small triangular section the mesh is 3 layers thick near those corners, the gaps are there, but they're not really gaps in that nothing can fall through them.

To post photos open a free account at one of the hosting services like Imjur.com. You upload your photo there, it gives you a link which you paste into your post. You want the "BB code for Forums" link.

OF

That should be imgur.com

 

[Traaaaan]

Greetings all. I purchased the mflb recently and love it. Much smoother and better tasting than my bowl and more efficient than my bong.

I use a small 2 piece cosmic grinder which pulverizes my bud but decided to give the finishing grinder a try. I ordered that along with the orbiter today and cannot wait for them to arrive!

Next step is the power adapter but that may not be for a couple months.

Hope to be around for a bit. Great thread and forum!

 

[1flyfisher]

If it's symmetrical it's not a breakdown but a feature. Tears (at the welds at the rails) are obvious, progressive and random. There should be four gaps where the side walls of the trench come together. In a small triangular section the mesh is 3 layers thick near those corners, the gaps are there, but they're not really gaps in that nothing can fall through them.

To post photos open a free account at one of the hosting services like Imjur.com. You upload your photo there, it gives you a link which you paste into your post. You want the "BB code for Forums" link.

OF

Thanks for the replies. OK so in the trench there should be small open space in all 4 corners. When I got it the trench was tighter and the gaps smaller and now they are wide enough to accumulate and get clogged with herbs. These gaps have been expanding a bit and one of them the edge is starting to curl. My unit isn't doing so good as far as its performance so I am wondering if something is wrong and if I damaged it in some way. I am having some problems with this MFLB. I sorta like it. I like some things about it but it doesn't seem to get me were I need to be. I only get a few good draws from a trench. The first 2 draws are ok and then it begins to taste like crap. I like to get the most out of a trench and don't want to waste herb so I try and get 5-6 draws but by the time I get to my 5 draw it tastes realy bad. I scorched this trench with a combustion when I first got it. I have since cleaned it with iso. How many decent draws do you guys get from a trench? I barely get 3-4 at best. It seems like it is wasting herb on me. SO far I am an unhappy MFLB owner. I want to be a happy owner. I have read the wiki page and watched many videos and read the entire owners manual. I know how to hit it. I take LONG slow draws for like 30 sec+. I sip it with quick small puffs. I have the technique down solid. I know what to do But it just isn't getting me there. It's been a month and a half now. I have the finishing grinder and I have top shelf herbs the herbs are perfect for this thing. Dry and finely ground so that isn't the problem. I have been back sliding to my pipe. I do love that first hit and the way it tastes. The first two hits I get a good tasting vape but then it tapers off fast. I don't get much smoke and I am not sure if this thing is kicking out the vape. When I first got it it was really working good for about a week and a half. I got it wired but then there seems to be a drop off in its performance. I was getting nice big clouds of killer vape but now I barely see a wisp of vaper. I am not sure what to do with this thing. I would have to get the pa as I need the car charger for camping. I already spent money on 4 new duracell batteries and I am reluctant of putting more money into this thing. I would need to also buy a power outlet for my vehicle so I could recharge the batteries while camping. This is going to be an issue as I go flyfishing for mutliple days/weeks and would need like to be able to do 3-4 trenches while I am out in my kayak flyfishing. I am on the water an hour before sun up and often fish till the late afternoon. Then there is the evening rise so a few more trenches. That's a lot of fuckin batteries.
I was going to get this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0040U3MI8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AWZ3LXPHZK09 and then plug my 1 hour duracell charger into it. I was also thinking about a solar charger for camping. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0042Z14FO/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AK832STHYY3A.

Any advice to help me get the most out of this MFLB would be greatly appreciated. Need a little help or a new unit maybe.

Thanks on the photo's. That exactly what I figured I needed to do. Upload to photobucket and then IMG

 

[OF]

Is this your first vape?

At the risk of repeating myself, I don't think there's anything wrong with your MFLB from what you say.

I'd also forget the Duracell idea, stick with the factory battery or one of the proven performers. The MFLB is a very very demanding device. 15 Amps, give or take. Way past the specs on AA NiMH batteries. Only a few work at all (although are top choices for less demanding duty), fewer still work well. This is why battery life is so short, power is used at an amazing rate.

Forget little solar chargers, we need way more power than happens there. The one I have would take several days to store enough for one trench. OTHO, there's a lot of very nice NiMH chargers that run on 12 VDC, getting one to work in your car should be easy to do with a common 'car cord' as the power connectors are pretty standard at 2.1X5.5mm. This is my favorite charger (although mine is a BC900, it works on 12 VDC:
http://www.amazon.com/La-Crosse-Tec...&qid=1408125444&sr=8-12&keywords=nimh+charger

Other, cheaper, units also run on '12 Volt Wall Warts'. I'm sure you can find one. Much better than an inverter to make 120 VAC.

While it's somewhat intuitive, it also is a skill set you need to get on board with. It's only going to work the way it's designed to, not necessarily the way the owner wants. Lots of folks have 'teething problems' with MFLB, but basically none are related to defective boxes sold as new to the owner.

IMO you should experiment with different techniques, not expect to adopt some other owner's favorite one.

Good luck with it, IMO it's well worth the effort.

OF

 

[1flyfisher]

Is this your first vape?

At the risk of repeating myself, I don't think there's anything wrong with your MFLB from what you say.

I'd also forget the Duracell idea, stick with the factory battery or one of the proven performers. The MFLB is a very very demanding device. 15 Amps, give or take. Way past the specs on AA NiMH batteries. Only a few work at all (although are top choices for less demanding duty), fewer still work well. This is why battery life is so short, power is used at an amazing rate.

Forget little solar chargers, we need way more power than happens there. The one I have would take several days to store enough for one trench. OTHO, there's a lot of very nice NiMH chargers that run on 12 VDC, getting one to work in your car should be easy to do with a common 'car cord' as the power connectors are pretty standard at 2.1X5.5mm. This is my favorite charger (although mine is a BC900, it works on 12 VDC:
http://www.amazon.com/La-Crosse-Technology-BC1000-Battery/dp/B004J6DLD4/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1408125444&sr=8-12&keywords=nimh charger

Other, cheaper, units also run on '12 Volt Wall Warts'. I'm sure you can find one. Much better than an inverter to make 120 VAC.

While it's somewhat intuitive, it also is a skill set you need to get on board with. It's only going to work the way it's designed to, not necessarily the way the owner wants. Lots of folks have 'teething problems' with MFLB, but basically none are related to defective boxes sold as new to the owner.

IMO you should experiment with different techniques, not expect to adopt some other owner's favorite one.

Good luck with it, IMO it's well worth the effort.

OF

I do not want to spend another $50 for this MFLB or sink any more money into this thing if it doesn't work. It came with a charger and I also have a 1 hour duracell charger which works great. Buying batteries, chargers this and that for this thing. I am sick of recharging the batteries already.
The duracell batteries are excellent batteries. They perform just as good as the ones that came with the MFLB. They are 2400 and are the exact size/diameter and fit perfectly as the ones that came with the MFLB. I have energizers, duracells, rayovacs and the MFLB battery. I have had dozens of AA batteries as I have a depth finder on my kayak and run 8 AA to power it for the last 10+ years. The Duracells are the same quality as the MF ones. There are only a handful of battery manufacturers like Johnson COntrols . Like car batteries they are almost all the same if you look at the specs and performance of batteries. you need a 2400 or better battery for the MFLB.

If my MFLB isn't damaged or malfunctioning then it just doesn't perform very well. I've had it for a while now. It just doesn't get me good vapes and that is the point. I get two or three hits at best and then it is like tasting horrible and I get no vape. I'm ready to chuck it.

 

[paytonpenn]

Did you combust in it already? I find a combusted box requires a longer heatup and performs extremely poor in comparison to a new box.

EDIT:
Nevermind, read your earlier posts.

I personally think you're going to want a new box if the combustion was that bad. I don't find the taste to really go away and it definitely just isn't as great as the MFLB is.

 

[OF]

If my MFLB isn't damaged or malfunctioning then it just doesn't perform very well. I've had it for a while now. It just doesn't get me good vapes and that is the point. I get two or three hits at best and then it is like tasting horrible and I get no vape. I'm ready to chuck it.

Your call. If you're not getting what you want you should fix that. You didn't answer my question: Is this your first/only vape? That can be a huge factor. If not, how does it compare to your other vapes? What are they?

I'm concerned that it's not meeting your expectations not so much because it's not doing what it's designed to do but because those expectations are based on 'huge clouds'. Not a strong suit for MFLB.

Put another way, if it got hot enough to make vapor (even hot enough to combust at one point) it generates enough heat, it's up to the user to manage that meager amount of heat effectively to make vapor. It's entirely possible to flatten a good battery in a good MFLB and never make any vapor through poor technique. There are vapes (like Solo and Ascent for instance) that are easier to use in a casual manner. You might consider one like that?

You can, of course, get another one, but IMO it's not going to be much different from what you have. Your call.

Good luck.

OF

 

[1flyfisher]

Your call. If you're not getting what you want you should fix that. You didn't answer my question: Is this your first/only vape? That can be a huge factor. If not, how does it compare to your other vapes? What are they?

I'm concerned that it's not meeting your expectations not so much because it's not doing what it's designed to do but because those expectations are based on 'huge clouds'. Not a strong suit for MFLB.

Put another way, if it got hot enough to make vapor (even hot enough to combust at one point) it generates enough heat, it's up to the user to manage that meager amount of heat effectively to make vapor. It's entirely possible to flatten a good battery in a good MFLB and never make any vapor through poor technique. There are vapes (like Solo and Ascent for instance) that are easier to use in a casual manner. You might consider one like that?

You can, of course, get another one, but IMO it's not going to be much different from what you have. Your call.

Good luck.

OF

Yes this is my first vape. I want to like it. There are some good things I like about. The initial taste of the first 2 hits is nice but after that it turns to mud fast. I do not care about huge clouds. I am not after anything other than effects. But When I first got it I was getting good hits and good vape. I was getting perfect hits I would say. Not huge clouds but some light smoke expelled and a good strong hit. Now I get zilch after 2-3 draws and ten nasty taste. I will try and post pics soon and then you can see my trench and tell me what you think.

Did you combust in it already? I find a combusted box requires a longer heatup and performs extremely poor in comparison to a new box.

EDIT:
Nevermind, read your earlier posts.

I personally think you're going to want a new box if the combustion was that bad. I don't find the taste to really go away and it definitely just isn't as great as the MFLB is.

I fully combusted in it. It scorched the trench badly. I was able to clean it with iso. But It is heavily bronzed. Pretty dark. It does seem to run differently from when I first got it and not as good. I will give you guys some pics very soon. I think that would be best. I need someone to take a look at this and tell me if it is cooked.