The Magic-Flight Box

[stark1]

I learned something on another thread, which I thought i would share:

I garnered if I am interested primarily in vaporizing THC, say with the LB, the first four or five seconds would bring out the slo-o wisps of THC laden vapors from the Sativa @ approx 315 F. Let cool. Repeat. ETC.

If interested in being totally baked, use your Indica. In this case, let the battery heat the contents longer, releasing the CBD/N around 365-374 F.

You can try to calibrate the F/sec between 310-370 F by using a portable IR thermometer.... (Purchase at HarborTools ~ $10)

GL if you do, you can get vaked, at worst.

(The gist of it, using a LB/LT, for Sativa, vaporize at the recommended 4-5 secs; for Indica, for the locked-body-high, lock and load, and fire a tad longer, ~ (>5)-10 seconds?)

Brown is good, Black, a "tad" to much.

If anyone comes up with a T per second graph, PL (us/me) K!


Addenda: Darn. I just realized there may be a "cool" version, and a "hot" one of the LB (possibly a variance caused by a change of batteries by M-F, altho M-F had made two versions of the Launch Tube due to feedback/requests.....)

PPS If someone know where you can buy a Launch Tube at a reasonable price, PLMK. TQ!

 

[stark1]

Memento wrote:

So, do you guys think this is just a small, negligible difference in calibration, or is mine actually running a bit too hot?
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Does your LB, with a snug fit of the battery, have a red LED? Your roommate?

Have you tried using your battery on your roomies LB? Does it run hotter? & vice versa.
Run cooler.

If one is missing the battery indicator (LED), it may be a slight change in design that's making your LB a little "hotter"; if exchanging batteries causes a change in heating, its the change in batteries, possibly?

Experiment. Experiment.

 

[axakal]

How long the batteries last seems to vary. I would use them until they don't produce vapor anymore. That way you know they are ready to be recharged. I've noticed that you can't always go by whether or not the Led turns on, as you can still get vapor even if it doesn't. I've been able to use one battery for several trenches, as a rule, getting about 6 hits each (the trenches are full). Sometimes more.

i will definatelly try to use the batteries until no vapor comes out . as i understand, nothing can get wrong with trying to use them to the maximum. the only thing to worry about seems not to allow the batteries to get too hot.

 

[obelisk]

well, i was hoping mine would come in by Saturday (yesterday) but it did not. oh well. I bought it from vapeworld and those guys seem like a tight organization though, so I'm hoping to get it Monday.

I am a bit concerned about all these reports of the LB not heating the herb evenly (yes, i've read this entire thread and all the comments about turning it upside down and shaking between hits). I do NOT save my ABV and am very concerned about efficiently using my herb.

Now efficiency, as far as I am concerned, is two things:

a) the bigger concern (which does not seem to be an issue with the LB): how much 'stone' per x amount of bud do i get? as in: how much do i have to load the LB in order to get stoned. I figure it is really difficult to ask someone else about this since this is so subjective to herb quality, dryness, grind, technique and of course, the biggest factor of them all: tolerance.

so i guess this one i will have to figure out for myself. i probably will not get WDZ type efficiency and am ready to be disappointed in this regard. I heard .1 in a trench is a typical full loose load, and if I do half trenches hopefully that will be enough to get me high. we'll see.

b) this is not about how much stone per nug but rather if the LB is actually able to completely use the herb put in it. I throw my ABV away. I do not want to reclaim it or make butter out of it or whatever. I want to use my herb, get high, and then throw that brown crap away. From the comments and pictures here, it seems that unless you really get the technique down just right, one is going to have a significant green flaking in their ABV. This worries me to no end! If I need to reuse my ABV, then this little thing is going to find itself being gifted away real quick!

Can anybody report to the contrary? All this talk of technique is quite worrying. The WDZ requires no technique, neither does smoking a joint (though i guess it takes a time to be able to roll a joint under 20 seconds with one hand, so there is technique involved there. huh)...


I guess I'll find out soon enough by myself but thought I'd ask anyway (and yes, i've read all 93 pages. and no, i do not remember everything that was said in aforementioned 93 pages. sorry.)

 

[Wolface]

After you have vaped the trench as brown as you can get it, dump it out on a hard surface and then crush it up with the bottom of the battery as fine as possible. Then revape until it turns to an almost black powder. This method will ensure your herb is FULLY vaped with NO waste.

 

[lwien]

Obelisk, being that efficiency is really important to you, why do you throw that "brown crap" away?

 

[iceshark]

Ok, my first try with my new LB last night. Mine is new model with new charger and LED. Battery fits fine. Not loose and not too snug.

Do not have a grinder yet so I sissor cut and finger smashed some herb. Filled only half way in trench.

1.Put battery in and within 3 seconds I heard sizzle like herb was LIT and what appeared to be white smoke (vapor?) under glass and thru plastic draw tube.
2.Started a slow sipping draw and the vap felt hot and tasted like regular smoke from a pipe.
3. Held draw in lungs and it started expanding like a bong hit would. (never had this bud do this to me in a pipe). Exhaled and it sure looked like smoke.
4.Room smelled like smoke but disappated quickly.

5.Looking in screen area the herb on sides of trench was light brown or golden like. Herb in middle still normal greenish. NO BLACK or sign of combustion.

6. Plasict draw tube smells like herb smoke heavily after one hit.

7. Took only 2 hits to check the effect and I was very nicely happy.

I guess my question is did it work right? I am new to vape and I thought it would be more like a humidifyer and be cool in lungs with no sore lungs or throat like smoking. I hate smoke. But after getting expando lungs and coughing some I felt like I had smoked a bowl. Draw was slow.

The herb is very skunky so maybe why the strong taste. I could taste the skunk on the draw very much.

So what do you think?

 

[obelisk]

Obelisk, being that efficiency is really important to you, why do you throw that "brown crap" away?

Because as far as I am concerned, it is brown crap. I have tried abv qwiso and cannaoil and have concluded that ABV is just not worth my time. But to be honest, even if my abv did produce decent qwiso or cannaoil, I still find this whole abv thing very absurd and totally unnecessary/inconvenient. I want to vape, not make oils and edibles with half-used crap that may or may not have some good stuff still in it.

Also, considering that this is a portable unit, if the device is unable to heat my herb evenly and give an evenly brown residue (note: the emphasis is on evenly brown, not simply brown, I do realize that I can adjust my draw to my temperature preferences) then, if I want to get the most out of my herb I have to save the ABV. Let us assume for a second that I am even OK with the whole ABV practice; In a home unit, saving the ABV is not an issue-- grab a jar, dump the duff in (tho, i'd rather just smoke my herb and throw the residue). In a portable unit though this whole ABV thing necessitates carrying a tin to save my used herb now. This takes away from the unit's portability. Who needs that. I wanna be able to roast my herb nice and brown, uniformly, and then throw that shit away. No extra tin no nothing thank you.

After you have vaped the trench as brown as you can get it, dump it out on a hard surface and then crush it up with the bottom of the battery as fine as possible. Then revape until it turns to an almost black powder. This method will ensure your herb is FULLY vaped with NO waste.

Thanks for the reply man. My concern is not with getting it brown enough. After reading here it seems that can be controlled by one's drawing technique. My concern is uniform heating. And yes, unloading and repacking will, hopefully, help but I still don't see how it would guarantee that the previously less heated parts of the bowl/herb are now going to get heated up properly-- nevertheless this is something I am definitely going to try. Thanks!

anyway, don't mean to throw a negative light on the vape nor be an asshole. The reason I bought this is cuz of all the endorsements here and so the product is bound to have real merit. It is possible that I don't experience this issue once the I actually use the unit. But it seems very likely to happen and I just wanted to know if anybody else feels that this is an issue as well.


My herb is usually pretty dry and very well ground. Perhaps this will help produce a uniform roast.

 

[jklasd]

obelisk, i have multiple times vaped one trench while riding on a GO bus(a coach bus, like greyhound, but canadian ) and from what i heard, my weed are mids, and with these, one trench, vaped thoroughly, to a brown colour, makes the bus ride very VERY enjoyable. its all about practice, sir. when i first got mine, it was a "meh" type of deal. got me a buzz i needed and thats it. but since taking a couple months off from using it, and then expertimenting with different things( grind, airflow, etc, usual stuff) i have easily enjoy many sessions that left me quite ripped.

 

[darth_vapor]

After alot of research on the big iolite vs launchbox question, i finally decided to go with the launchbox as my first vaping experience. But before ordering, these last questions

A while back in the thread I read that the unit doesn't come with a short stem anymore. Does anyone
know why ? Can you order these ?

Also, are there improved/different models, released by the company, around ? If so which one is the newest version ? The one with an Led attached ?

I'm very much looking forward to owning one !

Thanks, guys

It comes with one "medium" tube. I just cut a short and a smaller medium tube out of it, sanded the new ends down. Took less than 5, seems perfect. They stopped with the short stem because it was a choking hazard or something, but I think anybody wanting one would be 100% satisfied with my solution...

I think they always ship the most current setup from M-F/BlisssVille, not sure about other retailers. There's a 12% discount with the code FC-2010 at vapeworld.com, check the retailer thread in the general section.

 

[magicflight]

... if the device is unable to heat my herb evenly and give an evenly brown residue (note: the emphasis is on evenly brown, not simply brown... I wanna be able to roast my herb nice and brown, uniformly... My concern is uniform heating...

Hi Obelisk,

Give your clearly stated objectives above: that evenness and completeness of extraction (extraction efficiency) as being of a higher priority than any other, I would not recommend purchasing the LB! As the manufacturer of the device and as someone who is knowledgeable about the design, etc, I can state positively that the LB was not designed for perfect extraction -- rather it was designed for convenience.

For perfect extraction, you need to consider lab chemical methods first, and then perhaps fractional distillation as a distant second. Even reference standard lab grade vaporization equipment is not going to give you perfect extraction -- and such equipment is FAR from portable. Even if such equipment was generally available -- which it certainly is not -- it would be too complicated for anyone without special training to operate! Inconvenient to the max.

In any design, there are multiple, sometimes competing, objectives to be attained. Ultimately, decisions are made about which objectives exactly are going to have a higher priority than which others. Convenience, as measured in terms of availability/portability, reliability, ease of use, stealth, is/was considered to be of a higher priority than simple measures of total herb extraction. Furthermore, the notion of herb extraction 'efficiency' is considered to be significantly less important than the overall measure of the average rate of delivery and total bio-available yield of medicinal components. For example, simply getting the actives out of the herb basis and then letting it condense on some tubing sidewall somewhere is NOT making those actives bio available. Measuring how much active component is left in the spent ABV is NOT therefore an indication of how much was bio available -- in many (most, if not nearly all?) vaporizer devices simply vent a large portion of vapor to the air (by delivering at a greater than bio-adsorption rate) or allowing it to condense somewhere. The real measure of interest is the actual bio-delivery efficiency of the device. Which is better: A device that extracts 95% from the herb but then looses 60% of the actives to indirect venting or condensation, or a device which extracts 70% of the actives but then ultimately delivers nearly 90% of that extract to the bloodstream? Which would you rather have: a device where the ABV looks good, or one which actually gets the job done?

This whole over-driven emphasis on "extraction efficiency" and "ABV examination" is completely bogus marketing hype and does nothing to actually educate the potential vaporizer buyer. Metaphorically, it is a bit like trying to decide what car to buy based *solely* on the criteria of how much unburnt gasoline passes through the engine unburned -- while all along completely ignoring the facts that the transmission might only allow you to go into second gear, the tires are under-inflated or flat, and there is no power steering at all. Sure the engine runs fine and you *could* drive it if you really had to, but it would definitely be so inconvenient to operate that you only rarely actually use it -- rendering the efficiency of the engine's capability to completely burn the gasoline a totally moot point. Personally, I would rather have a car that is decent to actually use and actually gets me where I want to go -- even if there is some unconsumed fuel lost along the way. The real important metric to measure is how many dollars I have to spend every day getting where I need to go, not whether every single drop of purchased fuel is actually burned by the engine. If overall I am buying less fuel every day, than it is a win even if that particular car is less than totally perfect in its engine efficiency.

Overall, my suggestion to you Obelisk is to either love the Box for what it is or to get rid of it -- give it away or sell it to someone else who might benefit. Trying to coerce the Box into being something it is not is only going to lead to disappointment and frustration all around. The Box is about convenience first, and then absolute bio-delivery efficiency second -- it was never about simple post-op 'extraction' efficiency.

... I find the whole abv thing very absurd and totally unnecessary/inconvenient.

This reference to the factor of convenience being important is somewhat ironic. No one requires you to keep the ABV -- go ahead and dump it if you find that keeping it is inconvenient. The wonderful thing about life is that we each to get to decide for ourselves what we think is important, what matters to us. You are of course, welcome to your own opinions on that -- indeed this ability to choose, and re-choose for ourselves, is ultimately the basis of all freedom. Please have some (freedom, that is!)

-- Magic-Flight

 

[lwien]

Good read, MF. Good read.

It just further clarifies that is no one best vaporizer but rather a group of great vaporizers that excel very well in the area's that they were designed to excel at and that we, as end users need to be educated on what these differences are before we make a purchase and further brings into focus how important this site is in allowing that information to come to light.

Again, MF, very, very well written post.

 

[obelisk]

Magicflight,

Thank you for your response, it is well appreciated. I think, however you that you may have misunderstood me. Or, perhaps, I did not realize that I implied that the evenness of extraction is my highest priority. Yeah, it is important. Sure. And I really am not intelligent enough to be worrying about perfect extraction and lab tests and functional design decisions and what not.

I am definitely not challenging the LB's design nor its implementation! I am not qualified enough to do that, and, even if I was-- I have not even rec'd the unit yet, let alone use it. Regarding your marketing comment, you can be assured that I haven't gone to a manufacturer's website and read some copy, neither have I read some 'study' etc. on which I base my original question/concern. I am a marketing writer when I am employed and know the extent to which my ilk has corrupted and defiled the world

Your post is very informative, thank you, but I don't really know if it addresses my concern.

You seem to be saying the color of ABV is not a reliable indicator of how efficiently the herb's active compounds have been extracted AND delivered to the user.

Fair enough.

Just so you understand what I was trying to say, and what I based my concern on, let me reiterate: Judging by pictures that many users have posted, the ABV in quite a few instances showed a bit of green. In some cases, what I thought to be significant green.

Now, in my experience, vaped herb can be light green to blond to dark brown or even blackish in some cases. However, it is also my experience that the higher temperatures you reach, the darker the leftovers get. Is this typically incorrect? By typically I mean, forget what happens in the lab, is this the experience of most vaporists in general. I'd venture a yes.

Naturally, my impression above led me to believe perhaps not all the herb is consistently heated in the LB, after seeing the ABV pictures. This is what I wanted to clarify; whether this is true or not.

Your post did not answer this question. At least not to my understanding. I am not a very intelligent human being and apologize for any inconveniences caused because of that fact. Your post does make the point that ABV color does not indicate how effectively active compounds have been delivered. Perhaps this is scientifically true. In my experience though, the ligher the ABV is, there is 'money' in it-- as in, the leftovers still have the essence of weed-- whatever that is, THC and whatever else it is that makes me feel like a beauty queen with puffy armpit hair.

Are you saying that this is incorrect? I apologize for having to ask you to repeat yourself.

I really had not intended to address this concern to you, the company, (if I wanted to I'd have sent you an e-mail) but I guess I could have been more concise in my original post and just asked the following questions:

a) My question above: the relation between abv color and residual active compounds in vaped herb in the LB, is that incorrect? By incorrect I do not mean is this proven or not proven in a lab. I just wanted a user's perspective (do you see now why i never addressed this concern to your company, in an e-mail, and asked it here in this forum of users instead?), if you can provide that-- a layman/user's observation, that would be great.

b) Do most high temp users feel OK with throwing their LB ABV away or do they feel it hasn't been cooked consistently (please note I am maintaining a difference between consistently cooked and sufficiently cooked)? For example, I have no problems throwing away my WDZ. This is because of two reasons: 1) I get my ABV brown enough that I feel the weed is done (whether this is a correct way to gauge this or not I do not know, in my experience yes-- my ABV qwiso/cannaoil is pretty much useless) 2) each bowl is cooked consistent enough to my liking that I do not have to pick any green parts out before throwing the rest away. Now, 1) is NOT my concern with the LB. 2) is, and I was hoping to get some user input.

At no point was I challenging the design of the LB nor trying to coerce the LB to do something it wasn't designed for. I haven't even rec'd it yet, so I cannot really make it do anything at all right now. I just asked a valid question I thought.

Regarding your advice of getting rid of the LB, thanks but I think I'd rather not.

FYI, the last comment of mine you quoted was directed to the hassle of ABV in general and is not specific to your product. I clarify because you seemed a little offended by it (I might have misread your tone, of course). No offense meant at all, sorry if I came across that way.

 

[lwien]

Judging by pictures that many users have posted, the ABV in quite a few instances showed a bit of green. In some cases, what I thought to be significant green.

Couldn't this be addressed by just shaking the LB between hits to redistribute the contents in the trench?

 

[caseball2051]

if youre getting it monday id just wait till you can use it for yourself.

 

[reprobate]

This discussion makes me wonder about maximizing efficiency in the LB.

Assuming a fine grind, ISTM very small loads will be most efficient - picture a fairly thin layer spread over only the horizontal section of the screen trough, good for 3 or 4 or 5 hits with vigorous shaking between. Herb will go from green to a pretty consistent dark brown quickly and comparatively uniformly.

Am I right or wrong?

Any thoughts on efficiency appreciated. TIA.

 

[caseball2051]

my process works well for me

1. load until the trench is 2/3 full (not worried ab the grind)
2. put in battery.
3. 2 deep breaths
4. take first hit.
5. take battery out
6. remove all the material inside the box.
7. crumble the now super dried herb
8. reload
9. hit.
10. repeat until herb is finished.

 

[Vicki]

Judging by pictures that many users have posted, the ABV in quite a few instances showed a bit of green. In some cases, what I thought to be significant green.

In my case, the exact opposite has been true. I also own a Vapor Warez vaporizer, and it was my main vaporizer for many years until I got my Magic Flight Launch Box.

My ABV gets much darker when I'm vaping from the Launch Box vs. the Vapor Warez. I never have any green particles left when I am done. I also grind my herb very fine, going through my grinder at least 2 times. I have come to realize that a very fine grind works most efficiently with the Launch Box. The LB also helps my pain better than my Vapor Warez. That leads me to believe that I am extracting more good stuff with the LB vs. the Vapor Warez.

I have also developed a technique that I feel is helping me get the most out of my herbs. I load about 1/2 a trench at a time, never much more than that. I vap that load, then I dump it into the palm of my hand and crush it up with my fingers, while putting it back into the trench. I then continue to vap that trench until I don't like the taste anymore, about 5-6 hits. I shake vigorously between hits, and turn the box upside down to keep the herb off the heating element between hits. Keep in mind I'm only loading half a trench at a time.

I have only had my LB about a month, but I love it. It has changed how I take my medicine, making it more stealthy. It allows me to take my medicine in circumstances that I never could not before.

 

[obelisk]

Judging by pictures that many users have posted, the ABV in quite a few instances showed a bit of green. In some cases, what I thought to be significant green.

In my case, the exact opposite has been true. I also own a Vapor Warez vaporizer, and it was my main vaporizer for many years until I got my Magic Flight Launch Box.

My ABV gets much darker when I'm vaping from the Launch Box vs. the Vapor Warez. I never have any green particles left when I am done. I also grind my herb very fine, going through my grinder at least 2 times. I have come to realize that a very fine grind works most efficiently with the Launch Box. The LB also helps my pain better than my Vapor Warez. That leads me to believe that I am extracting more good stuff with the LB vs. the Vapor Warez.

I have also developed a technique that I feel is helping me get the most out of my herbs. I load about 1/2 a trench at a time, never much more than that. I vap that load, then I dump it into the palm of my hand and crush it up with my fingers, while putting it back into the trench. I then continue to vap that trench until I don't like the taste anymore, about 5-6 hits. I shake vigorously between hits, and turn the box upside down to keep the herb off the heating element between hits. Keep in mind I'm only loading half a trench at a time.

I have only had my LB about a month, but I love it. It has changed how I take my medicine, making it more stealthy. It allows me to take my medicine in circumstances that I never could not before.

Hi Vicki,

Thanks a lot for your comments. It was actually your thread somewhere (about pain) where you mentioned how the LB has been medicating you better and allowing you to manage your pain better that prompted me to order the LB (I wanted a VG initially), so your positive comments in this regard are especially relieving to me!

Regarding filling the LB trench only 1/2 way through, that is actually what I have been thinking about trying as well. Filling up one WDZ (or maybe two) stems in the trench and see how that works. I know that in the handcarved VG for instance, the bowl is bigger than the classic one and so a full bowl requires stirring. I always thought that is no problem (the stirring) because I'd never load it up that much. So the fact that you fill yours less is good info to me, thanks.

I already do a very fine grind, so that should help me as well. Thanks a lot. This is the kind of info I was looking for.

caseball: yes I am going to wait for the LB and try it myself. I thought I was going to receive it yesterday but did not, so asked the question to the forum anyway (y'know how waiting for something can get!). I did not expect the question to become such a big deal. :/

 

[obelisk]

Judging by pictures that many users have posted, the ABV in quite a few instances showed a bit of green. In some cases, what I thought to be significant green.

Couldn't this be addressed by just shaking the LB between hits to redistribute the contents in the trench?

Heh. You are essentially asking me exactly what I thought I asked to begin with. So yeah, is it sufficiently addressed by turning and shaking between hits?

(sorry for back to back posts, let me know if I shld merge them)

 

[lwien]

Judging by pictures that many users have posted, the ABV in quite a few instances showed a bit of green. In some cases, what I thought to be significant green.

Couldn't this be addressed by just shaking the LB between hits to redistribute the contents in the trench?

Heh. You are essentially asking me exactly what I thought I asked to begin with. So yeah, is it sufficiently addressed by turning and shaking between hits?

As long as you don't feel that it's more of a problem than a solution, you should be good to go.

(just havin' a bit o' fun with ya)

 

[obelisk]

Assuming a fine grind, ISTM very small loads will be most efficient - picture a fairly thin layer spread over only the horizontal section of the screen trough, good for 3 or 4 or 5 hits with vigorous shaking between. Herb will go from green to a pretty consistent dark brown quickly and comparatively uniformly.

Am I right or wrong?

You are right. There is no reason a light load should cook unevenly with the LB. Huh. I'll try it out and report back tomorrow but I see no reason why it will be an uneven toast. Wow, such a big deal about such a simple thing.

Though, it would still be good to hear from folks who load their LBs to the recommended 3/4 trench.

 

[Vicki]

Judging by pictures that many users have posted, the ABV in quite a few instances showed a bit of green. In some cases, what I thought to be significant green.

In my case, the exact opposite has been true. I also own a Vapor Warez vaporizer, and it was my main vaporizer for many years until I got my Magic Flight Launch Box.

My ABV gets much darker when I'm vaping from the Launch Box vs. the Vapor Warez. I never have any green particles left when I am done. I also grind my herb very fine, going through my grinder at least 2 times. I have come to realize that a very fine grind works most efficiently with the Launch Box. The LB also helps my pain better than my Vapor Warez. That leads me to believe that I am extracting more good stuff with the LB vs. the Vapor Warez.

I have also developed a technique that I feel is helping me get the most out of my herbs. I load about 1/2 a trench at a time, never much more than that. I vap that load, then I dump it into the palm of my hand and crush it up with my fingers, while putting it back into the trench. I then continue to vap that trench until I don't like the taste anymore, about 5-6 hits. I shake vigorously between hits, and turn the box upside down to keep the herb off the heating element between hits. Keep in mind I'm only loading half a trench at a time.

I have only had my LB about a month, but I love it. It has changed how I take my medicine, making it more stealthy. It allows me to take my medicine in circumstances that I never could not before.

Hi Vicki,

Thanks a lot for your comments. It was actually your thread somewhere (about pain) where you mentioned how the LB has been medicating you better and allowing you to manage your pain better that prompted me to order the LB (I wanted a VG initially), so your positive comments in this regard are especially relieving to me!

Regarding filling the LB trench only 1/2 way through, that is actually what I have been thinking about trying as well. Filling up one WDZ (or maybe two) stems in the trench and see how that works. I know that in the handcarved VG for instance, the bowl is bigger than the classic one and so a full bowl requires stirring. I always thought that is no problem (the stirring) because I'd never load it up that much. So the fact that you fill yours less is good info to me, thanks.

I already do a very fine grind, so that should help me as well. Thanks a lot. This is the kind of info I was looking for.

I'm glad my post was helpful to you. I haven't had my LB long, but I think I have it down pretty good now. I'm pretty sure you will love it as much as I do, once you have had a chance to use it.

 

[Bushido]

For perfect extraction, you need to consider lab chemical methods first, and then perhaps fractional distillation as a distant second.

I mean, if you are really THAT concerned about getting your moneys worth, the best and most absolute way would be baking it.

Also:

Why is it that everybody here has all these crazy complex rituals for vaping their herb? I mean, when I'm having my MFLB sessions, I just want to chill, fill a bowl, take a hit, and chill some more. But I definitely don't want to be obsessing about making sure I fucking FULLY vape all my weed. That's just dumb. I don't know about you, but when I get high, that is the furthest thing from my mind. Just so long as the bloody thing gets me high, I am happy.

 

[magicflight]

... you may have misunderstood me ...

Hi Obelisk,

It is entirely possible -- and for that I apologize. I will attempt to answer your questions.

... Judging by pictures that many users have posted, the ABV in quite a few instances showed a bit of green. In some cases, what I thought to be significant green.

This is true, and largely a function of the usage technique. The pictures posted probably represent a lot of different situations, and also reflect multiple and widely different user prefaces. Some people like to optimize for a light taste, and are willing to discard a complete load when the taste begins to shift even a little bit (cost of herb is not so important to them). Others like to optimize for total effect, and will want to cook it down to a dark brown (they used to be smokers, and want a similar rush). Depending on this, photos of the results are going to vary widely. Some people will dedicate considerable time and care to getting their technique "just so", optimizing constantly, whereas others really don't care about the fine points and are simply interested in a quick and stealthy hit. However, in each case, good technique will result in a better quality result (whatever that means -- in this case, more even, less green, if that is what you want). The hazard here is judging the results of other peoples techniques without knowing our own assumptions as to what is best, preferred, or tried for.

...it is my experience that the higher temperatures you reach, the darker the leftovers get.

Higher temperatures and also longer times -- together both will make the result darker and generally indicate a more complete extraction. Note that "Complete" here refers to the variety and range of actives extracted, rather than the measure/degree that any one particular active is extracted. In general, higher temperatures are needed to get the more "body oriented" effects. Middle temperatures are needed for THC related mind/energy effects, and lighter temperatures for the aromatics (taste components). The number of seconds of battery and hitting time (the technique) will determine what temp range is extracted.

... Naturally, my impression (based on the ABV pictures posted) led me to believe perhaps not all the herb is consistently heated in the LB. This is what I wanted to clarify; whether this is true or not.

The degree of evenness is primarily a result of four factors: 1) the degree of load mixing (via stirring, tumbling, or shaking), 2) the fineness of the grind, 3) the volume of the load, and 4) the average length of time in any given heating cycle (or hit). To achieve optimal evenness: grind fine, load less, heat longer (but don't wait for the battery!), and mix/shake often and thoroughly. Under these conditions the Box can deliver very even and complete extractions. For the sake of objectivity, I will leave it to those members of FC who optimize their technique in this manner to post pictures of evenly cooked ABV loads to validate this.

Do most high temp users feel OK with throwing their LB ABV away or do they feel it hasn't been cooked (completely/sufficiently, and that it should be saved/reused in some other way)?

This is a good forum question -- I shall leave it to the members of the forum to speak out as they will. My personal experience is that most people toss the ABV. That may simply be the result of a local cultural effect, however.

No offense meant at all, sorry if I came across that way.

Understood -- none taken -- apology accepted, etc.

-- Magic-Flight