The Magic-Flight Box

[kingofnull]

i also find my tolerance is a bit high to use my MFLB as my daily driver. However, if i go about a month or so without using my LB on the regular and use it again, WHOA, this thing makes me take flight! sometimes this happens when i haven't used it in a few weeks and i take it for a portable type of situation and i get a little more vaked than i planned but hey i'm not complaining.

This.

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

Feedback and reviews have been topnotch over the product and the company. it is just the fact that it says BETA and 40 dollars which is driving me nuts

As I've noted before, the "BETA" tag with MF, is a farce. Don't take that wrong, to mean they're being mischievous or devious. I just KNOW from people I've talked to and things I've seen... their stuff got beat up in Romper Room... before it EVER sees the sales page. The WPA and PA, still might be marked as BETA. I know they were for almost a year, after they were released.

I also noticed, a certain person <cough>Vito<cough> posted a video, immediately after the grinder made its way onto the sales page. Tells me, Vito probably beta'd that little sucker. He's given it glowing marks. That's good enough for me (and most everyone here).

Though, $40 is out of my chump change range... its definitely more of a "finishing tool", not necessary... but nice to have.

I don't go for the tolerance is too high for the MFLB story either, sorry all. I just went thru this with my HI and MFLB. I was getting blasted with the HI and it left me feeling improperly medicated. It was suggested by mom, that I should give the MFLB a try for a few days, just to switch things up. First time I hooked the box back to my whip and SSFG, within 5 minutes... right where I wanted to be. A special flight, courtesy... MFLB Airlines.

EDIT: Paka has used the MFLB as his daily driver for what, 2 years now? Again... not buying the tolerance too high. The Box is the person and/or what you put into it.

 

[Vicki]

I also noticed, a certain person <cough>Vito<cough> posted a video, immediately after the grinder made its way onto the sales page. Tells me, Vito probably beta'd that little sucker. He's given it glowing marks. That's good enough for me (and most everyone here).

Do you have a link to that video?

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

Do you have a link to that video?

Oh, ugh... its in this thread... within the last week, week and a half? Sorry.

 

[Lifeisgood]

So I grinded my plant up in a coffee grinder today and it came out almost powdery, like salt. Loaded it in the trench, and hit it like usual(push battery in 3-5 seconds, slowly exhale for 15 seconds. Usually I only see vapor if i exhale immediatly after hitting.)
Anyways with this powder like grinded plant in the trench, the feeling of vapor filling up my chest as I was hitting was much more apparent. I even saw a nice amount of vapor when I exhaled(usually dont see vapor when i hold it in for more then 5 seconds.). This happened again the next two hits, I thought maybe I was combusting... but no evidence of combusted plant. Did anyone else notice a huge difference when they went from a decently grinded plant to a powder like grind?

 

[skippy]

Are those batteries really that much better that the stock batteries? I have had my box for about 9 months now and have had no problems with my stock MF batteries. I have always used a fresh batterie with a just about full trench and have been very happy with how it has worked.

I don't know. I'm taking the advice of posters here. I bought some 2700 batteries at the supermarket last week and they were crap, they didn't even finish off a trench, but they were a cheap home brand. I went onto E bay and found the Powerex ( which are recommended) and both the 2400 and 2700 were the same price ,so I opted for the 2700 to give them a go. I will report back when I find out how they go. I don't have a power adaptor, mostly because I'm in Australia and they are not available here.

 

[Vicki]

I found it, BDV, thank you!

 

[skippy]

So I grinded my plant up in a coffee grinder today and it came out almost powdery, like salt. Loaded it in the trench, and hit it like usual(push battery in 3-5 seconds, slowly exhale for 15 seconds. Usually I only see vapor if i exhale immediatly after hitting.)
Anyways with this powder like grinded plant in the trench, the feeling of vapor filling up my chest as I was hitting was much more apparent. I even saw a nice amount of vapor when I exhaled(usually dont see vapor when i hold it in for more then 5 seconds.). This happened again the next two hits, I thought maybe I was combusting... but no evidence of combusted plant. Did anyone else notice a huge difference when they went from a decently grinded plant to a powder like grind?

The short answer is ,YES. grinding it up in a coffee grinder to a powder form makes a huge difference. It's the only way to fly.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

So I grinded my plant up in a coffee grinder today and it came out almost powdery, like salt. Loaded it in the trench, and hit it like usual(push battery in 3-5 seconds, slowly exhale for 15 seconds. Usually I only see vapor if i exhale immediatly after hitting.)
Anyways with this powder like grinded plant in the trench, the feeling of vapor filling up my chest as I was hitting was much more apparent. I even saw a nice amount of vapor when I exhaled(usually dont see vapor when i hold it in for more then 5 seconds.). This happened again the next two hits, I thought maybe I was combusting... but no evidence of combusted plant. Did anyone else notice a huge difference when they went from a decently grinded plant to a powder like grind?

Finer grind means that there is more surface area, which in turn works quite well for this vaporizer due to how it works (transferring heat to the material directly for the most part.) There are some vaporizers, like the Herbal Air, that do an incredibly good job of vaporizing even nuggets. I can't think of a vape that doesn't benefit from a grind, and some that do much better with a sand-like grind.

 

[Rido]

I dont seem to sound like a smart ass but if your tolerance is too high maybe you should do more than one trench? lol? that doesnt mean the product wont work?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Some people don't have the time to sit here and do 2 or 3 trenches. Other vapes provide more vapor but sacrifice stealth and all that other cool stuff.

 

[skippy]

They don't last as long but I personally felt that the mAh difference was noticeable and delivered hotter hits.

How long do the 2700 last you? I use my standard ones daily, so recharge my batteries everyday, and the last ones have last me about four months, or 120 charges, they still work, but I can feel they are getting weaker.

 

[kingofnull]

Post #420

I don't go for the tolerance is too high for the MFLB story either, sorry all. I just went thru this with my HI and MFLB. I was getting blasted with the HI and it left me feeling improperly medicated. It was suggested by mom, that I should give the MFLB a try for a few days, just to switch things up. First time I hooked the box back to my whip and SSFG, within 5 minutes... right where I wanted to be. A special flight, courtesy... MFLB Airlines.

EDIT: Paka has used the MFLB as his daily driver for what, 2 years now? Again... not buying the tolerance too high. The Box is the person and/or what you put into it.

I'm not saying it doesn't work for some folks. Hell, it worked for me for around two years as my daily driver as well. I'd load a trench in the morning waiting for the train and again after work on my way home. Then a few more times during the night. And it was always enough for me. Even sharing a trench was usually enough to get my nicely medicated. My friends would all claim they didn't "get anything", but I'd be happily roasted.

Since using the Extreme Q as my daily driver, I've found the MFLB doesn't extract my flowers as effeciently, thus I use more in the MFLB for less effect. Let me be clear, one trench still gets me "there", but a smaller amount in the EQ usually gets me "further". Usually after I finish a trench in the MFLB I'll use the ABV later that night to put me to sleep with my EQ.

I'm sure if I switched back to using the MFLB as my primary my tolerance would "adapt" quite quickly.

Also I am not using the PA, though I am using very fresh, strong 2700 batteries. I know I'd get better results/extraction with the power adapter. I've been thinking about it, but there are so many other vapes I'd rather save for. And if I buy the PA, I know I'll want to buy the WPA (and no doubt the FG)

This is not to discourage anyone from buying one or to knock anyone's vaporization style or method.

I dont seem to sound like a smart ass but if your tolerance is too high maybe you should do more than one trench? lol? that doesnt mean the product wont work?

Some people don't have the time to sit here and do 2 or 3 trenches. Other vapes provide more vapor but sacrifice stealth and all that other cool stuff.

Rido that's exactly what I do, but as Quetzalcoatl mentioned it can be time consuming to load two, even three trenches. Also as I mentioned above, a smaller amount than what I load in the MFLB will usually get me equally or more medicated in other vaporizers.

It's still a ridiculously good unit. The fact that it still sees usage after two years and the acquisition of other vapes is a testament to how great it really is.

BTW Questzalcoatl, I like your MFLB mod. Simply but clean. I've been thinking I need to paint mine too.

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

^^^
Woot! I'm going to "smoke a bowl" for you! Hahaha... read the HI adventures to get that.

420!!!

 

[kingofnull]

Already read it

#420 was an MFLB trench actually. A tribute to both the smallest and most used device in my entire tech "arsenal"

edit: one thing I really appreciate and that I don't think gets enough attention is the clear plexi trench cover on the MFLB. It's great being able to see inside the progress of your stash throughout a session without having to disassemble anything.

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

Well, I think you're still giving the MFLB a bum rap on the whole "tolerance" thing. Interesting reading in my thread about a t-break. Plus, some additional new commentary, you might not have seen, if you have read it.

I think my experience just from a single day reversal, from switching back to the MFLB... and the rest of the commentary is a pretty compelling argument for me. Plus, the Biochemist buddy that chimes in, 3rd party and my own father, who is a Biochemist also. I'm sure some peoples' bodies might react more strongly towards actives released at higher temps and they think the MFLB can't deliver them, but with the right technique... you can even pull those off (with batteries even).

I'll repeat it until I'm blue in the face. The MFLB is what you, the person makes of it. You want it to be a Bubbler Bomb, it can be one. An e-cig, it can be one. Just take the time, to master the ones you can. Its not a Jack of all trades and Master of none... it actually can pull off mastering a few of 'em. That's more than you can say for a lot of vapes. Heck, the Pax comparison, really opened my eyes to that. Thicker, more satisfying vapor? Horse poopie! I knew it, but I never really put it to great thought. It was my daily driver for a long time and my need to expand had nothing to do with a physical need for more. It was purely, being stricken with the same crap a lot of people do around here. I won't say its name, since maybe its just a phase. No jinxies.

However, ultimately... to each, his own... eh? Cheers!

 

[User7]

Having a nightmare with this PA, still.

I received this PA around 30th August and by 15th September it become unusable. So I got about 2 weeks usage from it. I have 2 boxes, one with a tear in the mesh so material can get in under the trench (but the box is functional in that the light works and the circuit is fine) and a box thats newer, a replacement.

After using the PA for about 2 weeks it stopped working.

I noticed the ring on the new box has expanded and the PA has become really loose (I can spin the box around on the PA) and with the older box the PA fits so the box cannot spin, its quite snug, but I have the exact same problem with both - PA just doesn't work.

Yeah if I turn it a lot it might flash on briefly (the PA itself does work) but it is not reliable enough to use, as soon as you get the light on and start vaping, its gone off again.

If the PA works (it does) and one box is loose and the other is snug - how come I get the same problem on both?

I tried pushing the ring in from the bottom - this made the new box snug again, but the PA didn't work, no difference. After slightly wiggling the PA, the new box is just back to the same again, loose. So you can push a flat head screwdriver really hard and move the ring a little, but as soon as you put a battery or PA in again it just goes back to loose again with barely any effort.

I am seriously thinking about getting another vaporizer entirely, because there is not fix for this when the PA works.

- PA "works" (as in, it functions as is, just not in a box!)
- Batteries work in 2 different boxes - one with a loose fit and one with a tight fit.

Even if the box and PA both get replaced with brand new ones at the same time - the metal "negative ring" is always going to end up recessing into the wood and the more that happens the more you gotta wiggle it and wiggling it just means the ring sinks even more into the wood... until it is flush and the PA is really loose. it is just expanding with heat, because nothing is there to stop it.

I even got to the stage now where I am trying to get it on for enough time to actually make it expand so then it might stay on, but no dice.

Honestly if I didn't have a box where the PA fits tight and doesn't work just like in the loose box, I would be thinking it is because the PA is loose, but I have a tight one with the same problem.

People always say tell Magic Flight about it but even replacements will do the same. It is because of the PA folks, it gets so hot it expands the ring out, its that simple. Call it a design flaw or whatever you want but this is what is happening.

 

[kingofnull]

Well, I think you're still giving the MFLB a bum rap on the whole "tolerance" thing. Interesting reading in my thread about a t-break. Plus, some additional new commentary, you might not have seen, if you have read it.

I think my experience just from a single day reversal, from switching back to the MFLB... and the rest of the commentary is a pretty compelling argument for me. Plus, the Biochemist buddy that chimes in, 3rd party and my own father, who is a Biochemist also. I'm sure some peoples' bodies might react more strongly towards actives released at higher temps and they think the MFLB can't deliver them, but with the right technique... you can even pull those off (with batteries even).

I'll repeat it until I'm blue in the face. The MFLB is what you, the person makes of it. You want it to be a Bubbler Bomb, it can be one. An e-cig, it can be one. Just take the time, to master the ones you can. Its not a Jack of all trades and Master of none... it actually can pull off mastering a few of 'em. That's more than you can say for a lot of vapes. Heck, the Pax comparison, really opened my eyes to that. Thicker, more satisfying vapor? Horse poopie! I knew it, but I never really put it to great thought. It was my daily driver for a long time and my need to expand had nothing to do with a physical need for more. It was purely, being stricken with the same crap a lot of people do around here. I won't say its name, since maybe its just a phase. No jinxies.

However, ultimately... to each, his own... eh? Cheers!

I know I could probably use a t-break, but now is not a very good time for me - if you catch my drift.

And in terms of tolerance, I'm sure yours' is higher than mine - I've never in my life taken a rip even half the size of your Leviathan MFLB milk. I was just speaking anecdotally when I said my tolerance was too high. I should note that it only took a couple of tokes on the second trench to get me medicated. But still, there was a time when I would get there with one small trench, or even half a trench at times. I'm sure if I switched back to the MFLB for a short time I'd 're-adapt'.

And I don't think anything I could say would give the MFLB a bum rap. The overwhelmingly positive reviews the community (myself included) have given speak for themselves. In any case, I don't mean to devalue the MFLB in any way. You're right, it's an extremely versatile device.

Having a nightmare with this PA, still.

I received this PA around 30th August and by 15th September it become unusable. So I got about 2 weeks usage from it. I have 2 boxes, one with a tear in the mesh so material can get in under the trench (but the box is functional in that the light works and the circuit is fine) and a box thats newer, a replacement.

After using the PA for about 2 weeks it stopped working.

I noticed the ring on the new box has expanded and the PA has become really loose (I can spin the box around on the PA) and with the older box the PA fits so the box cannot spin, its quite snug, but I have the exact same problem with both - PA just doesn't work.

Yeah if I turn it a lot it might flash on briefly (the PA itself does work) but it is not reliable enough to use, as soon as you get the light on and start vaping, its gone off again.

If the PA works (it does) and one box is loose and the other is snug - how come I get the same problem on both?

I tried pushing the ring in from the bottom - this made the new box snug again, but the PA didn't work, no difference. After slightly wiggling the PA, the new box is just back to the same again, loose. So you can push a flat head screwdriver really hard and move the ring a little, but as soon as you put a battery or PA in again it just goes back to loose again with barely any effort.

I am seriously thinking about getting another vaporizer entirely, because there is not fix for this when the PA works.

- PA "works" (as in, it functions as is, just not in a box!)
- Batteries work in 2 different boxes - one with a loose fit and one with a tight fit.

Even if the box and PA both get replaced with brand new ones at the same time - the metal "negative ring" is always going to end up recessing into the wood and the more that happens the more you gotta wiggle it and wiggling it just means the ring sinks even more into the wood... until it is flush and the PA is really loose. it is just expanding with heat, because nothing is there to stop it.

I even got to the stage now where I am trying to get it on for enough time to actually make it expand so then it might stay on, but no dice.

Honestly if I didn't have a box where the PA fits tight and doesn't work just like in the loose box, I would be thinking it is because the PA is loose, but I have a tight one with the same problem.

People always say tell Magic Flight about it but even replacements will do the same. It is because of the PA folks, it gets so hot it expands the ring out, its that simple. Call it a design flaw or whatever you want but this is what is happening.

Well, did you tell Magic Flight about it? I don't know that I've ever heard this compliant before, but I'm sure MF will be able to help you if something is wrong with either device. They've always answered my questions in an expedient manner .

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

Its actually a common enough complaint to be on Vaporpedia. You weren't tightening the ring however, you were just adjusting the position it sits in. Plug a battery or PA into it and it just shifts back. Your best bet would be to just contact MFLB, though try a little honey with your inquiry. It goes a long way.

I don't even use mine anymore, because of it. No biggie, I like batteries better and I have 6.

 

[pakalolo]

Having a nightmare with this PA, still.

I received this PA around 30th August and by 15th September it become unusable. So I got about 2 weeks usage from it. I have 2 boxes, one with a tear in the mesh so material can get in under the trench (but the box is functional in that the light works and the circuit is fine) and a box thats newer, a replacement.

After using the PA for about 2 weeks it stopped working.

I noticed the ring on the new box has expanded and the PA has become really loose (I can spin the box around on the PA) and with the older box the PA fits so the box cannot spin, its quite snug, but I have the exact same problem with both - PA just doesn't work.

Yeah if I turn it a lot it might flash on briefly (the PA itself does work) but it is not reliable enough to use, as soon as you get the light on and start vaping, its gone off again.

If the PA works (it does) and one box is loose and the other is snug - how come I get the same problem on both?

I tried pushing the ring in from the bottom - this made the new box snug again, but the PA didn't work, no difference. After slightly wiggling the PA, the new box is just back to the same again, loose. So you can push a flat head screwdriver really hard and move the ring a little, but as soon as you put a battery or PA in again it just goes back to loose again with barely any effort.

I am seriously thinking about getting another vaporizer entirely, because there is not fix for this when the PA works.

- PA "works" (as in, it functions as is, just not in a box!)
- Batteries work in 2 different boxes - one with a loose fit and one with a tight fit.

Even if the box and PA both get replaced with brand new ones at the same time - the metal "negative ring" is always going to end up recessing into the wood and the more that happens the more you gotta wiggle it and wiggling it just means the ring sinks even more into the wood... until it is flush and the PA is really loose. it is just expanding with heat, because nothing is there to stop it.

I even got to the stage now where I am trying to get it on for enough time to actually make it expand so then it might stay on, but no dice.

Honestly if I didn't have a box where the PA fits tight and doesn't work just like in the loose box, I would be thinking it is because the PA is loose, but I have a tight one with the same problem.

People always say tell Magic Flight about it but even replacements will do the same. It is because of the PA folks, it gets so hot it expands the ring out, its that simple. Call it a design flaw or whatever you want but this is what is happening.

It's not a design flaw. If it were then there'd be a lot more complaints about it in the 18,000+ posts in this thread. I've had two LBs for about two years and the contact ring is the same as the day I got them for both. I've had the PA for a year and I use the LB with it several times a day and it hasn't caused any such problem. I don't believe that the PA expands enough to change the contact ring, even if you keep the button pressed in at 100% for a long time. How would this explain that one of your LBs is now too snug?

My LBs will easily spin around on the PA but it isn't so loose that I have to do anything to make it work. New Imedions (the stock battery) are quite snug in the same LB. I have some older Eneloops that are really loose, so after I insert them I have to twist them around to make a good contact, but they still work just fine. I don't have to do this with the PA. The contact ring does not always end up recessing into the wood. I suspect it has with yours because you've fiddled with it so much. If you move that contact ring the way you describe, you can easily loosen it up enough so that it starts moving around, but as BDV said, you're not changing the ring diameter you're just moving it around.

If the batteries work (despite being loose or snug) and the PA is intermittent then the PA is the obvious culprit. Make sure the rings at both ends of the PA are tightened as described here: My power adapter has gotten weak/stopped working, what should I do? If you have and that doesn't fix it, then it's time for a warranty claim. There's no reason to assume that a replacement will wind up with the same problem, because if this were common then a lot more people would mention it here.

 

[GOATPUSSY]

I have three boxes and one of them gets a loose ring every so often. So much so that energizer batteries just don't work. At first I thought the batteries were done but after giving the ring a good push in the backside with a screwdriver, they worked. Seemed like the diameter of battery was smaller and just not making good contact like the others. If the light shines, it's making conact. If not, no contact.


But whatever... I should probably contact Mlfb and get it fixed.

 

[OF]

People always say tell Magic Flight about it but even replacements will do the same. It is because of the PA folks, it gets so hot it expands the ring out, its that simple. Call it a design flaw or whatever you want but this is what is happening.

I understand what you're saying (I think) but you're incorrect here. The above is not what's happening. Materials don't work that way (Metal 'coefficient of linear expansion', 'yield point', 'spring constant' and all that good stuff). It's still a spring of the same size until you force it past the yield point and actually move some dislocations (rows of atoms) past each other to change the springs basic shape. You've no doubt felt metal 'go soft' when you've pushed too hard and it's bent rather than springing back the same? Same deal.

BDV has it right. Once again, BDV is wise. All you're doing is shifting the ring a bit so it sits off center in the hole for a while. It's not easy to adjust. If you can't back the ring up properly and apply just enough force (hard to do with a screwdriver and bench top which is why I use vice grips and some wire anvils) best send it to the shop I think. But be assured it has noting to do with getting hot and expanding and opening up the spring. There's just nowhere near enough force available that way. Remember, the spring is also metal, is getting just as hot, so to a first order it too is expanding at the same rate......

OF

 

[User7]

How would this explain that one of your LBs is now too snug?

Because the snug one was never used with a PA, only batteries.

Besides, on the one thats had the PA used on it for 2 weeks the metal ring is closer to the edge on the underneath of the box than the other box, and the flat top bit of the ring (under the plastic) is also slightly sticking up above the wood whereas it isn't on the one where only batteries have been used. Also inside the hole I can see how the ring has recessed into the wood but on the one used with batteries, it hasn't. I can feel it as well.

I would do some photos of it to show the expanded ring but I need my 4 batteries now so, can't put them in my camera.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

It's not a design flaw. If it were then there'd be a lot more complaints about it in the 18,000+ posts in this thread.

When I brought it up a few weeks ago (maybe 3-4?) there were around a half dozen other people who agreed with me immediately. It happens to mine too, I have to angle it a certain way to get it to make a full connection. It's pretty loose, too. The only reason I haven't tightened the ring yet is that the batteries I'm using right now fit snug. SNUG. If I grab the Box by the battery and try to spin it around, there's no way in hell I can do it. It's just an absolutely perfect fit between the box and the ring, and I don't want to tighten it trying to accommodate the PA and then it be too tight for my batteries... I guess I could bring it up with MF directly, but at present the batteries are more than enough to keep me going through my usual days and then a little bit.

 

[pakalolo]

When I brought it up a few weeks ago (maybe 3-4?) there were around a half dozen other people who agreed with me immediately. It happens to mine too, I have to angle it a certain way to get it to make a full connection. It's pretty loose, too. The only reason I haven't tightened the ring yet is that the batteries I'm using right now fit snug. SNUG. If I grab the Box by the battery and try to spin it around, there's no way in hell I can do it. It's just an absolutely perfect fit between the box and the ring, and I don't want to tighten it trying to accommodate the PA and then it be too tight for my batteries... I guess I could bring it up with MF directly, but at present the batteries are more than enough to keep me going through my usual days and then a little bit.

I think your memory is a bit vaped. To be sure, I went back and checked.

The problem I think you're remembering is with the PA power button. When you brought that up, two or three people (not half a dozen) mentioned that they had a similar problem. A week or so later magicflight posted that another possible problem with the PA could be a contact ring that needed tightening. You and BigDaddyVapor are the only people who said that you might have a loose contact ring. You can look this stuff up.

I know that there have been people in the past who have had contact ring problems, but they have been rare enough that I stand by my statement: if it were a design problem we'd have seen a lot more complaints by now.