The Magic-Flight Box

[Quetzalcoatl]

Anyway, have fun.

...wow...

4 g's meaning 4 grams?? In one trench?

Noooo! Not in one trench, that's crazy! I had an eighth of it that I powdered into that consistency, I didn't add any extra kief or anything to get it to look like that...

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

I know I did the battery well so that couldn't be it. And my bud isn't as powdery as it could be, but definitely does the job if not more. So the problem is the softness of the hits, well I have a problem.

I do draw at a slow pace and get medium bleh hits. I have too low of a lung capacity for a soft inhale and by the time the good thick vapor comes in my mouth(giggle all you want) and I can't inhale deeper. Maybe if I did some exercise and breathing treatments I could get my lung capacity back to normal (heavy smoker and combuster for 3 years). I'll work on that, and then try it again with the soft inhale.

Thank you very much for the advice.

Eh... no reason to giggle, my man. Sure I could crack a lot of them, off that. But, with your questions/concerns... it would be misplaced and inappropriate. You came looking for info and there's a lot of knowledgeable people in here, that like to share it. Hope you get the results you seek.

For ages I have been telling people who say this that they just haven't got their technique right, but most of them don't believe me. Now BDV has given me lots of proof that what I say is true. He's a LB hero.

Man, I don't know how many more nights like that, I can take. That damn Saxo video, took maybe 3 takes. It wasn't my first choice either, because I wanted my arm out of the way, on the clear. But, definitely the BEST milk shot. One for the ages, IMO.

The Leviathan... I think I started about 1am. I texted Lev about 5:30 I think... to tell him "@#$% YOU, I MILKED YOUR BONG!", or something real close to that.

 

[OF]

Eh... no reason to giggle, my man. Sure I could crack a lot of them, off that. But, with your questions/concerns... it would be misplaced and inappropriate. You came looking for info and there's a lot of knowledgeable people in here, that like to share it. Hope you get the results you seek.

Spoken like a true Gentleman, well done!

While I find that gratifying, it's also sad it's so rare these days as to stand out so clearly.

Thanks.

OF

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

I know I did the battery well so that couldn't be it. And my bud isn't as powdery as it could be, but definitely does the job if not more. So the problem is the softness of the hits, well I have a problem.

I do draw at a slow pace and get medium bleh hits. I have too low of a lung capacity for a soft inhale and by the time the good thick vapor comes in my mouth(giggle all you want) and I can't inhale deeper. Maybe if I did some exercise and breathing treatments I could get my lung capacity back to normal (heavy smoker and combuster for 3 years). I'll work on that, and then try it again with the soft inhale.

Thank you very much for the advice.

Soft inhale into the mouth, THEN the lungs when your mouth is full

 

[momofthegoons]

This may not be the place to ask and if it isn't I'm sorry I'm new here. But I have a magic flight box I will be selling once the option becomes available for me. To avoid sending drug paraphernalia through the mail how am I too clean it before sending it? Or am I to put it in an airtight container? What am I to do?

I think this counts as a tip for a smooth transaction, haha.

You can find all the tips for cleaning your LB here.

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

Spoken like a true Gentleman, well done!

While I find that gratifying, it's also sad it's so rare these days as to stand out so clearly.

Thanks.

OF

Its taken a LOT of years and a LOT of heartache. Trust me, OF. You've been witness to a good portion of it. This last year (basically, my time on the forum), has been especially tough. I think this board, I think people like you and Wat, of particular note, make me look at myself from an outside perspective more than others. I'm not offended by those critiques, or events that turn into more. After reflection, I get a little bit more.

45 years old and terminal. Better late, than never, eh? I appreciate the recognition.

Now... I can cheat a little and keep us on-topic. @#$% segues.

Allison at SSFG bought a friend a MFLB. Allison has borrowed it on occassion and I know both ladies experience mixed results. However, I posted a picture the other day of my SSFG Gridded Inline Bubbler, with my WPA on it. Interest was piqued in the Soulshine Family household. WTF was that and HTF did it work, especially with that big battery sticking out. Good questions. I explained it to her, but she was still confused about how it worked. Though, I might have made another sale for MFLB plus a couple of WPAs. When she sees this video, she may make that call.

I give you, the SSFG Gridded Inline Bubbler plus WPA (battery operated, accuracy for her situation).

HD 1080 WIDE-SCREEN this time. BLOW IT UP!

 

[momofthegoons]

I'll tell you what BigDaddy; you've got me thinking I need to pull out my LB and my WPA and revisit it... I've never been able to pull vapor like that with it and now that I've seen you do it I feel like I need to try harder! Obviously, I haven't perfected my technique!

Vape and a pancake! Good morning FC!

 

[stickstones]

When you press in on the button to start the heat up turn the dial on the Power adapter every second for 6-7 seconds.

I figured you'd come up with some cool shit once you got the PA! Can you expand on this ^^^, please. I don't get this part and want to give it a try. Also, do you see anything on exhale?

 

[Ben Katz]

Eh... no reason to giggle, my man. Sure I could crack a lot of them, off that. But, with your questions/concerns... it would be misplaced and inappropriate. You came looking for info and there's a lot of knowledgeable people in here, that like to share it. Hope you get the results you seek.

That may have been the most mature response I have ever gotten from someone on a forum.

You can find all the tips for cleaning your LB here.

Haha thank you very much!

It said cleaning where I need to clean isn't advisable

Mod note: Please avoid making back-to-back posts in a thread. Use the Edit feature located near the lower right of your posts. Posts merged.

 

[luchiano]

I figured you'd come up with some cool shit once you got the PA! Can you expand on this ^^^, please. I don't get this part and want to give it a try. Also, do you see anything on exhale?

When you start vaping turn the dial, wait for a second then turn again and do this for 6-7 seconds until you get to 60%-70%.

If you just want to get a more pure flavorful hit just turn the dial until you get to 40%-50% on the dial, inhale and exhale, then go to 60%-70% mark when you want the cannabinoids to be released. This will also help you absorb more because you're aren't taking in everything at once which means less is wasted. You shouldn't see any vapor, if you do it should be very little.

Remember to have a certain amount you want to vape and divide it up. An example would be to vape .03 each trench four times so that you vape .12 grams in total for the session.

 

[luchiano]

I just figured out something else. Make sure that you inhale at a nice, smooth, steady pace so too much air doesn't dilute the vapor and cause you to exhale more then you want to. The goal is to absorb damn near all of the vapor with air being the force to push the air where it needs to go but if you inhale too much, it will take up most of the space in the lungs and get absorbed leaving the vapor to just sit in the lungs and get exhaled. Inhaling through launch box helps keep the inhales smooth due to the narrow path the stem has. Also keep some water by your side because your mouth will get a little dry.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

...your mouth will get a little dry.

If it's just a little dry... you are doing it very, very wrong

Got the vape on the glass again, little ice cubes so I can stuff a TON of them in there, cold water, a nice grind on some select strains, the day off... Yup, I'm flying I keep thinking "well maybe my tolerance is high enough now" and I keep getting medicated from 1 trench.

By the way, wanted to say thanks again to MF for this thing. I was doing fine earlier, but about an hour ago out of nowhere my head started to hurt really really badly on the left side, in the same spot as my migraines sprung upstairs to the kitchen and fixed up a cup of strong coffee, and by the time I finished it I was starting to squint to see... got down to my room and the light was already bothering me, so I sat down against my bed and was able to get my glass, PA, and box fitted together without having to open my eyes! Just opened a little bit to make sure I had the right stuff and to put it in... between the coffee, the 2 tall glasses of water I drank, and the vapors... it's been reduced to a mild, annoying headache. Knowing how bad my migraines can get so fast (I've gone from fine to puking in 5 minutes before due to it), I'm really glad I have something that goes from cold to delivering in 5 seconds. 5 more minutes surely might have meant the difference between me being here and me puking and crying for hours...

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

When you start vaping turn the dial, wait for a second then turn again and do this for 6-7 seconds until you get to 60%-70%.

If you just want to get a more pure flavorful hit just turn the dial until you get to 40%-50% on the dial, inhale and exhale, then go to 60%-70% mark when you want the cannabinoids to be released. This will also help you absorb more because you're aren't taking in everything at once which means less is wasted. You shouldn't see any vapor, if you do it should be very little.

Remember to have a certain amount you want to vape and divide it up. An example would be to vape .03 each trench four times so that you vape .12 grams in total for the session.

In theory, this sounds great. However, in practice... its a bit harder. The dial on the PA is not linear. The voltage range of the PA is about 1.2v - 2.0 volts (on mine). At a 40% visual indication on the dial... I'm actually at about 1.46 volts (on my unit and I'm sure there's variance between units). 40%, according to my math and a .8 voltage range of the PA (1.2 - 2.0v)... would actually be around 1.52v. At a 60% visual indication, is when I'm over 1.5v (the math, says 1.68v). According to the math (and the visual indications of my PA) these are voltages the batteries, won't ever see. Meaning, battery users aren't ever getting the cannabinoids.

Fresh charged batteries are at about 1.45v. A day later, without any use... they're at about 1.38 (these are brand new Imedion 2400s). You can get useful vapor/charge out of them, until around 1.1 to 1.2. Then a rapid discharge and they're drained.

I get what you're saying and will definitely give this a try. I just think its going to be a little harder, for others to recreate the same thing, taking actual voltages and the visual indicators of the dial, into account (in my case... which I'm sure is true for others, also).

Thanks for another method for our MFLB madness.

EDIT: I think I made sense.

 

[luchiano]

In theory, this sounds great. However, in practice... its a bit harder. The dial on the PA is not linear. The voltage range of the PA is about 1.2v - 2.0 volts (on mine). At a 40% visual indication on the dial... I'm actually at about 1.46 volts (on my unit and I'm sure there's variance between units). 40%, according to my math and a .8 voltage range of the PA (1.2 - 2.0v)... would actually be around 1.52v. At a 60% visual indication, is when I'm over 1.5v (the math, says 1.68v). A voltage the batteries, won't ever see and meaning, battery users aren't ever getting the cannabinoids.

Fresh charged batteries are at about 1.45v. A day later, without any use... they're at about 1.38 (these are brand new Imedion 2400s). You can get useful vapor/charge out of them, until around 1.1 to 1.2. Then a rapid discharge and they're drained.

I get what you're saying and will definitely give this a try. I just think its going to be a little harder, for others to recreate the same thing, taking actual voltages and the visual indicators of the dial, into account (in my case... which I'm sure is true for others, also). Thanks for another method for our MFLB madness.

EDIT: I think I made sense.

I came up with this after viewing the graph that MFLB has put up themselves showing how the MFLB uses the energy it has and stabilizes temperatures and able to go to around 400f in 15 seconds using the batteries that come with the unit. This is the temperature thc boils at fast. Here it goes:

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-magic-flight-box.750/page-156

It is post #3887

The other stuff came form observing the body and learning how it works.

You can still use the power adapter with this method you just have to tailor it to your own PA but it is still the same. You just find out the minimum and maximum range on the dial while also looking at your herb through the session and figuring out how much you need to turn the dial by looking at how dark the herb is. If it is almost black you obviously know how far to go.

 

[UpUpandAway]

I've had my LB for 3 days now and I must say that I'm very impressed. This thing is amazing!

In both form and function, the MFLB is a thing of beauty. I was pleasantly surprised at how medicated I got.

During one of my more medicated moments, I used the butt end of the cleaning brush to stir up the trench. Now there's a small dark spot at the bottom of the screen which I'm afraid is from the plastic stem of the brush.

Is this something I should be concerned about? Am I vaping plastic w/every hit?

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

I came up with this after viewing the graph that MFLB has put up themselves showing how the MFLB uses the energy it has and stabilizes temperatures and able to go to around 400f in 15 seconds using the batteries that come with the unit. Here it goes:

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-magic-flight-box.750/page-156

It is post #3887

The other stuff came form observing the body and learning how it works.

You can still use the power adapter with this method you just have to tailor it to your own PA but it is still the same.

Well, that's really the main point. I'm sure every PA shows different voltages (I have 2 and they are VERY different), at what is really an inexact science, considering visual indicators, aren't really accurate, nor very precise.

No offense, but those charts are for engineers. I'm a technician (was... for a very long time)... theory, laboratory results, are typically far different than real world, wide-spread usage. The charts, also don't address the fact, that unless you have access to a multimeter or temp gauge that can read the temp off the trench... you're not going to have the same results/success, without a lot of trial and error. Its not as easy as saying, "roll on the voltage every second, from 40% to 60%", when real world, visual indicators of the PA at 40% and 60% of a .8 volts spread (1.2v - 2.0v), are quite different than correlation with a chart and voltage readings directly off the PA.

I'm not trying to start anything. I'm just pointing out my findings with my PA and a Fluke multimeter, I did... just last week. The percentages, which is what you used for the basis of your initial findings... are a little bit more complicated than the ease, of which you explain the practice. I attempted to shine light on that, in a way that might make sense and let people know, they probably won't see the same results, without a lot of testing. As real-world as MF intended their tests to be, its still theory... in a controlled setting.

 

[OF]

During one of my more medicated moments, I used the butt end of the cleaning brush to stir up the trench. Now there's a small dark spot at the bottom of the screen which I'm afraid is from the plastic stem of the brush.

Is this something I should be concerned about? Am I vaping plastic w/every hit?

I wouldn't sweat it, but I also wouldn't do it again. The kind of chemical breakdowns to worry about in such cases happen fast, it's history. I seriously doubt you got a significant amount melted anyway.

You're absolutely right about the box, it's a neat little thing. Lots of careful, clever work went into it. If you want to blow some time learning it's history, check out the thread on the 'Magic Flight Launch Tube', it's predecessor. Lots of very solid engineering behind such a 'simple' design.

OF

 

[luchiano]

Well, that's really the main point. I'm sure every PA shows different voltages (I have 2 and they are VERY different), at what is really an inexact science, considering visual indicators, aren't really accurate, nor very precise.

No offense, but those charts are for engineers. I'm a technician (was... for a very long time)... theory, laboratory results, are typically far different than real world, wide-spread usage. The charts, also don't address the fact, that unless you have access to a multimeter or temp gauge that can read the temp off the trench... you're not going to have the same results/success, without a lot of trial and error. Its not as easy as saying, "roll on the voltage every second, from 40% to 60%", when real world, visual indicators of the PA at 40% and 60% of a .8 volts spread (1.2v - 2.0v), are quite different than correlation with a chart and voltage readings directly off the PA.

I'm not trying to start anything. I'm just pointing out my findings with my PA and a Fluke multimeter, I did... just last week. The percentages, which is what you used for the basis of your initial findings... are a little bit more complicated than the ease, of which you explain the practice. I attempted to shine light on that, in a way that might make sense and let people know, they probably won't see the same results, without a lot of testing. As real-world as MF intended their tests to be, its still theory... in a controlled setting.

I like that you brought this up but it isn't hard to do the same thing with the PA. THC, which is what we want boils at 392f and at 400-410f it is gone very fast and the rest of the cannabinoid which is beta-carophyllene boils at around 462f so once the vapor gets wispy you have an idea where you are and mark it on the PA so you know your personal settings. All you have to do is turn the dial slowly(mark it with a maker to see where you are at) starting from the lowest point on the dial, see if vapor is released, inhale, keep the dial where you stopped at and heat up again to see if vapor is released. If it is you obviously know you can go a little more until you you see no more vapor and the herb hasn't turned to a dark chocolate color. Then mark the indicator on the PA to know where to stop at when you want to do a fast heat up.

If you don't feel like guessing you do know that the stock batteries will get to the temperature you want within 15 seconds.

Make sure you use very little so you can have a good idea what you're working with because if you use too much some heat will be lost to the plant cellulose as well as too little vapor released compared to how much being used. Also the bottom of the herb will heat up faster than the rest in the trench and you won't know a good range to use on the PA.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

You're supposed to put just enough to vaporize in 6 seconds. I mean like not even enough to cover the bottom. I tried it last night, totally got what he meant. I used the whip, so I could see the trench and use it as a visual indicator of when to stop before combustion would start. I start at 0, and go up a little bit, give it a second, up another little bit, another second, etc, until it gets to a point where the vapor starts to get intense. That's when I let go of the power and inhale the vapors real quick. You have to let go of the power just before you think it would be done because the screen will get a bit hotter even if you cut the power (just for a second though.)

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

I think there's a bit of miscommunication here. I'm not disputing your findings, temp readings, when THC, or beta-carophyllene boil.

A better place to start, would be this current explanation. You say, start at the beginning and work your way up. I like that! 40% and 60% in simple form, have way too many variables, to make accurate settings on your PA. Your vapor sight test, would be a much better visual indicator.

Though, in my defense... as I have done numerous voltage tests on my PA. I know where all the sweet spots are already. I'm pretty good with a box, I think. Maybe. Its possible.

 

[luchiano]

Bigdaddyvapor, I appreciate you for making me realize everyone will not get the same results with how I previously described the method and I realize now even for me that doing an initial test with vapor as your guide to find out where to set a mark on the PA on where to stop is much better then the 60%-70% recommendations but slowly turning the dial for 6-7 seconds is still the amount of time that you should use it for.

Thank You.

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

Bigdaddyvapor, I appreciate you for making me realize everyone will not get the same results with how I previously described the method and I realize now even for me that doing an initial test with vapor as your guide to find out where to set a mark on the PA on where to stop is much better then the 60%-70% recommendations but slowly turning the dial for 6-7 seconds is still the amount of time that you should use it for.

Thank You.

Hey, when I read your take and saw sticks was excited about the feedback, I was interested. I love the fact, that you didn't guess at all this stuff. Its obvious, you know your stuff and you certainly know more about the science of cannabis, than I do. I'm a MMJ patient that's only vape is a MFLB. My findings are from experience (challenges to, I hate when people say the MFLB can't do something), or I wild hair up my butt and just want an answer. A background in electronics has its advantages, at times (even if I did data dump half the stuff).

Going to go enjoy my box and try to fix the damn GPS on my wife's phone now. Figure I'll do it better, vaped.

 

[pakalolo]

Meaning, battery users aren't ever getting the cannabinoids.

I think you are falling for a common misconception, which is that nothing is vaporized until a specific temperature is reached. It's not like that. Vaporizing is not a binary event, it falls along a curve.

Watch water come to a boil, and you'll see that molecules at the boundaries gain enough energy to vaporize (become steam) at temperatures well before the boiling point. While it's true that the bulk of the cannibinoids are released at the boiling point, some of them have been vaporized at lower temperatures. It's not correct to say that battery users never get any of them, just that they get lower amounts. How much lower has not been quantified to my knowledge, and neither has the effectiveness of lower amounts.

 

[luchiano]

Bigdaddyvapor, the graphs I linked you to was the MFLB people showing temperatures using different methods. They used a battery not the PA(it wasn't available yet) and measured the temperature at the bottom of the trench(where the herb sits). You don't think there results aren't replicable in daily use if you just load the trench enough to cover the screen to keep the herb as close to the temperatures they found?.

Personally, I don't see why it would be different, unless you have a low battery charge or use different batteries they used but there may be something I'm not thinking of.

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

Uhm... I got both of those points, guys.

paka... it was kind of a rhetorical statement.