The Magic-Flight Box

[al bundy]

Okay, then it must be only the wood. Maybe I draw too fast ...
I thought it was build to cool down the battery a bit with the cold inhaling air stream.

I think around page 430-500 of this thread there's a few videos by @JDSupreme
About using the box very informative indeed.maybe YouTube too.

 

[gnajhar]

I can only speak to the incredible efficiency of my MFLB. For the low or moderate user the LB is perfect. For example you can put any amount in the trench and vape. It takes about 0.2 gram to fill the trench (but you don't have to fill it) and I take only 2 or 3 ten to twelve second slow draws to get as high as I need/want to. Make sure to shake the herb between hits. As soon as you release the battery the herb stops cooking. Quick on. Quick off. I get 3-4 sessions from 0.2 gms. I also have a Flowermate Vapormax V5. It's easy to use and share with others, but it isn't as efficient with the herb and it doesn't go as far. I think the Pax my son has is even less efficient. Just my 2 cents.

Thanks for the quick answer!
Do you know anything about the Vapium Summit? I was quite interested.

 

[Stu]

Thanks for the quick answer!
Do you know anything about the Vapium Summit? I was quite interested.

Welcome to FC, @gnajhar

This is the Launch Box thread. If your question does not pertain to the subject at hand, please don't post it here. You can either make a thread in Ask FC or use our PM feature to speak privately with members.

Obrigado

 

[His_Highness]

Got the MFLB as a first vape back in July 2015. At the start it was our daily driver but then we got the Solo.... the MFLB remained my wife's daily driver when we're not getting high together and became OUR go to vape for needs outside the home....It's like an Amex card....we don't leave home without it.

Wife complained yesterday that the four Glyph's that came with the MFLB in July were dying out and that only one still had the same staying power as when we first got them. I think 8 months of steady use before failure is ok but not great. The reason the wife prefers the MFLB around the house is because she likes the simplicity and speed versus the Solo and often just wants a quick one hit. I'm tempted to get the PA 2.0 for her along with another set of batteries for the outside world but I think I'd be better off getting another Solo for about $125 instead along with a new and better set of batteries.

If I can convince the wife to make the Solo her go to vape around the house and wanted to get some batteries I could depend on when we go hiking and such which would be best for sitting around unused for weeks / months at a time?

What say ye folks?

 

[stickstones]

Got the MFLB as a first vape back in July 2015

We have our first confirmed time traveling vaporist!

 

[His_Highness]

We have our first confirmed time traveling vaporist!

With that in mind .... Gimme a few moments to travel forward in time again and I'll report back what I decided and whether I was happy with the decision. Wait....if I haven't used the batteries yet how did they wear out so quickly?

While I travel forward....if you would be so kind ... please give your opinion on which batteries I should buy for keeping around the house unused for a few weeks/months at a time. Maybe I should by the LSD and HSD batts to be safe?

 

[pakalolo]

Got the MFLB as a first vape back in July 2015. At the start it was our daily driver but then we got the Solo.... the MFLB remained my wife's daily driver when we're not getting high together and became OUR go to vape for needs outside the home....It's like an Amex card....we don't leave home without it.

Wife complained yesterday that the four Glyph's that came with the MFLB in July were dying out and that only one still had the same staying power as when we first got them. I think 8 months of steady use before failure is ok but not great. The reason the wife prefers the MFLB around the house is because she likes the simplicity and speed versus the Solo and often just wants a quick one hit. I'm tempted to get the PA 2.0 for her along with another set of batteries for the outside world but I think I'd be better off getting another Solo for about $125 instead along with a new and better set of batteries.

If I can convince the wife to make the Solo her go to vape around the house and wanted to get some batteries I could depend on when we go hiking and such which would be best for sitting around unused for weeks / months at a time?

What say ye folks?

From your description of the way she likes to vape, the Solo isn't likely to make her happy. It takes time to warm up so it's not good for a quick one-hit. The PA is better but it still ties you to a location. If she moves about and likes to take a hit where she is rather than going to where the PA is, then just get more batteries. If they go used for more than a few days at a time, get Powerex Imedions. The glyphs are not really LSD batteries, so while they do hold their charge better than HSD batteries, they're not as good as the Imedions. The Imedions are what Magic-Flight was shipping before they developed the glyphs.

 

[His_Highness]

From your description of the way she likes to vape, the Solo isn't likely to make her happy. It takes time to warm up so it's not good for a quick one-hit. The PA is better but it still ties you to a location. If she moves about and likes to take a hit where she is rather than going to where the PA is, then just get more batteries. If they go used for more than a few days at a time, get Powerex Imedions. The glyphs are not really LSD batteries, so while they do hold their charge better than HSD batteries, they're not as good as the Imedions. The Imedions are what Magic-Flight was shipping before they developed the glyphs.

Thanks! Good advice....

To be on the safe side I'll order 1 set of LSDs= Maha Imedion 2400 mAh and 1 set of Maha Powerex 2700 mAh. I'll charge them using the MFLB charger that came bundled ... anyone have a suggestion for a web site to order the batts from?

 

[OF]

Got the MFLB as a first vape back in July 2015.

We have our first confirmed time traveling vaporist!

It had to happen sooner or later.

Forget new batteries, I want some of that stash.........

No, wait, maybe I don't?

OF

 

[His_Highness]

It had to happen sooner or later.
Forget new batteries, I want some of that stash.........
No, wait, maybe I don't?
OF

Thanks OF/Stickstones...I had a sneaking suspicion all those out of work comedians I hear so much about were hanging out here

On my way back from the future I missed my stop and ended up in the past where I read about a gazillion posts on MFLB and batteries...to sum it up....the Glyphs are best.

BUT is my experience the standard? 3 out of 4 of my Glyphs are just about toast and its only been 8 months. Will I be ordering 4 Glyphs every 8 months? BTW - the Maha Imedion 2400s are about half the price.

I'll hang here in the 'now' for the rest of these discussions.....

 

[OF]

Thanks OF/Stickstones...I had a sneaking suspicion all those out of work comedians I hear so much about were hanging out here

BUT is my experience the standard? 3 out of 4 of my Glyphs are just about toast and its only been 8 months. Will I be ordering 4 Glyphs every 8 months? BTW - the Maha Imedion 2400s are about half the price.

Your mistake, some of us are honorably retired. And we're not all here by any means. Ataxian is probably hanging out over in Solo Land. Or else he's out breaking more glass. And Sinclue......or Sinclue. He's in a parallel universe we think, seldom seen and even less often understood.

And then there's the Q man himself. We're not even sure he's real. There's a theory we collectively made him up. So far nobody has devised a test. There was a theory that he and Ataxin were the same guy, nobody it seems has ever seen them in the same room........very suspicious. Then we realized nobody had ever seen the Q man and lived to tell about it.......

As to the mundane question about your battery life 'it depends'. You can kill them off early with deep discharges or high heat. Or both. Otherwise, the do work very hard and will wear out.

Yes, Maha 2400s are cheaper, prices vary there so it's worth looking around some. Some of us, however, see the added cost small compared to the cost of the herb going it. The increased performance/enjoyment has value to some.

Still you should get some batteries somewhere, can't enjoy the MFLB without 'em?

OF

 

[gnajhar]

Hello People.

Does anyone knows if I can use another kind of battery (with more capacity), on the MFLB, without damaging it?

Thanks! Cheers!

 

[pakalolo]

Hello People.

Does anyone knows if I can use another kind of battery (with more capacity), on the MFLB, without damaging it?

Thanks! Cheers!

The batteries must be AA NiMH with the covering removed. The highest real capacity for that format is around 2700 mAh, and those would be HSD. For LSD types, it's around 2400 mAh. You might see higher capacities advertised, but they're lying.

 

[His_Highness]

As to the mundane question about your battery life 'it depends'. You can kill them off early with deep discharges or high heat. Or both. Otherwise, the do work very hard and will wear out.

Yes, Maha 2400s are cheaper, prices vary there so it's worth looking around some. Some of us, however, see the added cost small compared to the cost of the herb going it. The increased performance/enjoyment has value to some.

Still you should get some batteries somewhere, can't enjoy the MFLB without 'em?

OF

'deep discharges or high heat' - Those are my two favorite things ever....I combine them whenever possible - Seriously....I've been known to do a deep burn off/cleaning with the remains of a already used Glyph till it gets too hot to touch OR runs out of juice. Perhaps we have found the culprit and it is me.

OK - Self test required...I'm ordering 4 of the Glyphs and a 4 pack of the Maha Imedion 2400 mAh and will treat them with the utmost respect and report back. At the very least I should be able to roam the wilderness, high and not battery challenged until I run out of munchies or succumb to dehydration and frost bite.

 

[gnajhar]

The batteries must be AA NiMH with the covering removed. The highest real capacity for that format is around 2700 mAh, and those would be HSD. For LSD types, it's around 2400 mAh. You might see higher capacities advertised, but they're lying.

Thanks for helping. The batteries sold by MFLB are 2200 I guess. Is it worth to buy a 2700 one? The difference is that big?

 

[OF]

'deep discharges or high heat' - Those are my two favorite things ever....I combine them whenever possible - Seriously....I've been known to do a deep burn off/cleaning with the remains of a already used Glyph till it gets too hot to touch OR runs out of juice.

Understood. It's kind of natural, really, given what you're trying to do.

However, you'll get much better using two batteries for burn offs. Not only will you get more seconds at higher temperatures in the screen but by swapping batteries you lower the heat build up in each. And you can eliminate the cool end of the run since you'll have more total time at hotter temperatures before your two batteries stare cold death in the face.

OF

 

[Stu]

And then there's the Q man himself. We're not even sure he's real. There's a theory we collectively made him up. So far nobody has devised a test. There was a theory that he and Ataxin were the same guy, nobody it seems has ever seen them in the same room........very suspicious. Then we realized nobody had ever seen the Q man and lived to tell about it.......

Actually, I did manage to survive an encounter with "the Q man". He is a slender man. Come to think of it, he kinda looks a lot like this guy:

Maybe he isn't real after all...

 

[davesmith]

Shouldn't someone mention that getting a good Quality charger can prolong te life of your batteries?

Might be worth an upgrade for the stock mflb one.

 

[mAti]

Does the stock charger charge with a timer or until the battery is full?
And do I have to discharge the batteries until the light is off, or can I charge them, when they stop producing enough heat for a good vaping experience?

 

[davesmith]

Just charge the batteries when they're weak. A full discharge isn't ideal iirc(?)

The stock charger stops when they are full but as some of the battery (cell) gurus will tell you, there are better chargers out there.

 

[OF]

Does the stock charger charge with a timer or until the battery is full?
And do I have to discharge the batteries until the light is off, or can I charge them, when they stop producing enough heat for a good vaping experience?

The stock chargers (there are several) are 'rapid chargers'. They cutoff charge when it's complete.

Do not discharge the battery more than necessary to make vapor. Recharge when they get weak, don't discharge completely ever, this is very hard on this kind of battery. It will wreck it early. The light in MFLB is an indication of good contact, not a battery power indicator.

OF

 

[His_Highness]

The stock chargers (there are several) are 'rapid chargers'. They cutoff charge when it's complete.
OF

Geez OF ... the more I think I'm there the further off it seems ... Since day 1 the stock charger that came with the LB would charge the stock Glyph batteries to the point where they were HOT to the touch. Lets be clear...HOT not warm is what I'm talking about. So hot that I could pull one out right as it became fully charged and I'd have to toss it from hand to hand for a minute to cool off. Could I have held it firmly without burning myself...sure..but it was borderline. Maybe there was something wrong with the stock charger but I had the feeling this was normal.

If the stock LB charger is a 'rapid charger' and I use it for the new Glyphs and my new Maha Imedion 2400s ..... based on what I've read I'm going to wear out the batteries early since the Glyph's are hybrid (LSD and HSD) and Imedion 2400 are LSD based right? If the answer is yes....then why in the heck would MF use this combo? I guess I'll have to find a cheap multi-capacity charger that can do rapid, refresh, etc.

Nothing like contradictory statements to get the day going...
The MFLB site stated 'Magic-Flight ships smart chargers bundled with the Box kit—not fast chargers. The primary reason for this choice is safety: anyone can use the bundled charger without having to understand specifics about the rechargeable batteries. These stock chargers are convenient insofar as they are compact (they fit in the tin) and are known to be a good reliable option, not because they are the fastest possible means for charging a battery.

Then further down on the MFLB site 'The charger that Magic-Flight provides is actually a very good fast (though not the fastest) charger. Its maximum charging time is about 4 hours, and is usually noticeably less.'

La Crosse Technology BC-700 Alpha Power Battery Charger at $40 sounds like a good buy?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

And then there's the Q man himself. We're not even sure he's real. There's a theory we collectively made him up. So far nobody has devised a test. There was a theory that he and Ataxin were the same guy, nobody it seems has ever seen them in the same room........very suspicious. Then we realized nobody had ever seen the Q man and lived to tell about it.......

I'm the ghost of all our past LB batteries!


I found a random little nugget after I vaped a little ball of oil in the concentrate tray, enough flower to fill the trench 2/3 of the way. Enjoyed that one outside watching and listening to the rain with a fresh cup of french press coffee

 

[mAti]

The stock chargers (there are several) are 'rapid chargers'. They cutoff charge when it's complete.

Do not discharge the battery more than necessary to make vapor. Recharge when they get weak, don't discharge completely ever, this is very hard on this kind of battery. It will wreck it early. The light in MFLB is an indication of good contact, not a battery power indicator.

OF

I'm sure it gets darker the longer I use a battery.

Maybe there was something wrong with the stock charger but I had the feeling this was normal.

My batteries get pretty hot too. That's why I thought the charger charges with a timer so if I put half full batteries in they get damaged sooner.

How bad is it for a battery if I charge it only 1 or 2 hours (not completely)?

 

[OF]

Charging NiMH batteries (like MFLB uses) is not an easy thing to do. The hard part is detecting when the end of charge is reached as overcharging is very bad.

There is a very low charge rate where the extra heat generated by over charging can be tolerated, but this rate is very slow, about 20 hours. Fast chargers rely on a very small (about .03 Volt) drop in voltage, if it misses it, bad happens. Other schemes check temperature, sometimes in addition, sometimes as the prime control. Temperature can go up normally with high charge rates, but it also rises fast at near 100% charge. These types are often called 'delta V' and 'delta T' since they rely on delta (change in) those values.

IMO the chargers MF uses are what we demand (fast and low cost), adequate but not optimum for the job. Better chargers exist of course, with more features. I like the Maha C9000 myself, others are no doubt useful. You have to decide if battery savings/increased performance is worth the cost for you. I use a lot of AA NiMH batteries, for me the decision was already made.

OF