Enchantre
Oil Painter
You possess one sexy wong, my friend
I'm a little surprised that Tweek knows, however. Thought I was the only one who knew your wong.
um, wait. I didn't say that.
Discontinued The Liquidizer Herb2Vapor System - Safety Butane Extractor & Mini-vaporizer
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I'm a little surprised that Tweek knows, however. Thought I was the only one who knew your wong.
um, wait. I didn't say that.
PeteSeattle
Well-Known Member
I spy ... I've been watching this thread for the past couple of days and I'm very tempted. Thanks for all the trials for newbies to BHO. I didn't check dates on post and didn't realize how new to the market Liquidizer is and very excited about it.
Also, very interesting banter
Also, very interesting banter
Yoshimattsu
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Should I keep my Everclear in the freezer so it's good and cold before winterization?
PeteSeattle
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Should I keep my Everclear in the freezer so it's good and cold before winterization?
After going through the online manual about winterization I believe that would be ideal.
PeteSeattle
Well-Known Member
Just put in my order. Now in a few days I can really appreciate this thread ... right after my first batch 
Yoshimattsu
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I also see in the manual they recommend chilling the butane as well, should we put it in the refrigerator, or freezer, or what?
tepictoton
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freezing the butane definately helps...
Yoshimattsu
Well-Known Member
and it's safe to freeze a pressurized can?
Should I keep my Everclear in the freezer so it's good and cold before winterization?
We usually keep our ethanol in the freezer just for the sake of convenience, but prior to winterization it isn't necessary. We'll explain in further detail later, at the moment we've got our hands full processing orders from the trade show
Butane labels warn against high temperatures but not against low. We've never had any issue with cold storing our cans, if anything the cold temperature relieves some of the pressure from the canister for safer long term storage. The colder everything thing is the better the extraction, but storing your cans in the freezer is more for those willing to slightly sacrifice yield for a cleaner less waxy raw extract. Winterization is still recommended, there will just be less wax to filter off for a faster and more efficient process.
Yoshimattsu
Well-Known Member
How long does each batch last for you on average mvapes?
Um, depends bro - if I use super heady flowers that gives me an optimum yield I would say that it taste so fucking good that i can't stop using it and ran out within 24 hours.
So pretty much that and now my wife is happy that I am once again spending money on weed as it helped me quit doing drugs.
Welcome to my head yoshi, if you seen anything interesting it's probably for sale.
So pretty much that and now my wife is happy that I am once again spending money on weed as it helped me quit doing drugs.
Welcome to my head yoshi, if you seen anything interesting it's probably for sale.
Yoshimattsu
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Ok thanks!! Also, why not always pack the tube full of ABV on top of your fresh, or just pack the tube full of fresh? Why do you blast only 7 grams at a time? Is there an upside to processing less at a time? Would the taste be significantly worse with more ABV than fresh? Thanks in advance!
Edit: @mvapes Have you been sticking with "juice" only, or are you still making batches of both? I'm curious to hear your opinion
Edit: @mvapes Have you been sticking with "juice" only, or are you still making batches of both? I'm curious to hear your opinion
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darkrom
Great Scott!
Mvapes you know what I'd love, a pic or video of you packing the tube. I wanna see how tight you pack it. "tight" is subjective until you see it. I'm 100% positive my poor packing is why I didn't get much return (didn't weigh before or after this time). HOWEVER the quality is literally amazing. Better than anything I've ever seen around these parts. So not bad for a first try
What I did was do the extraction into the beaker provided (next time I'm finding a small FLAT BOTTOM pyrex dish). I ran 3 water baths in the liquizer itself just because more won't hurt. Then I put in an unknown (but very little) amount of everclear. Instantly the bubbles dissolved. Just by swirling the now thinner mix in the cup I was able to pour 95% of it onto my oil slick mat. This looked AMAZING. It was at this point that I fumbled it and got water all over the extraction while it was on my mat. A LOT. It went from amazing looking to gray mud is the best way to describe it. I heated it on an electric griddle for a bit and got rid of the water, but I definitely over heated it.
Clearly I made a lot of mistakes, but what I have after all those errors on my part is a clear sap that was ALMOST shatter. It is pliable because I over heated it on the griddle out of impatience and frustration of soaking it in water. After all that I can still say its the best looking concentrate I've seen in person. I'll have to take some pics.
I can only imagine how amazing the product I'll end up with will be once I learn from my mistakes and avoid soaking my extract. I'm very excited to try again, but this stuff is REALLY potent, so I am taking my time and getting other things for my new purge experiments. I'm sure I'll end up running a batch in a week or so. I want to get a flatter pyrex to blast into, and perhaps even a toaster oven for purging reasons. I figure if done outside with an oven thermometer inside (because the temps are never accurate on anything these days) I should be able to purge nicely.
My friend is using my ecig stuff right now. He had a bunch of nasty BHO and was able to purge it easily with the Ejuice provided. It really does allow the trapped butane to leave the extract, just like everclear does in my current method. He loves the ecigs. LOVES them. I think I might be one of the people mildly allergic to the PG and PEG. I've tried both, and tried a plain ecig from another brand. Both times I get BAD irritation. This is from another name brand ecig with 0% nicotine and the pen from liquidizer. Everyone else loves it, so a mild allergy is the best I can guess. The pen itself hits HARD though, and can store a lot of oil if you want. We took it out on a boat and at the rate we were going had enough to vape for a month. A couple hits would do with the very potent ejuice/extract mix that I made. I'd say for anyone who isn't allergic or sensitive to the PEG or PG (unfortunately for me it seems to be both) then the ecig is THE stealthiest, fastest and easiest way to vape on the go. 2-3 hits was doing it for everyone who tried my mix, and that was my first try. I was more interested in the liquidizer itself, but I have to admit I'm sad that I get the irritation from the pen, or it might just have become my go to method. I plan on trying VG next to see if I can get away with using that. Then I might be able to use the pen more.
Sorry for the huge wall of text, just trying to share my thoughts on this system. As for the liquidizer itself, well it makes the actual extraction idiot proof. Just be careful not to soak and burn your concentrate once you are done...like me
I can't wait until the next batch. I feel like it will be some pictures to really show off!
What I did was do the extraction into the beaker provided (next time I'm finding a small FLAT BOTTOM pyrex dish). I ran 3 water baths in the liquizer itself just because more won't hurt. Then I put in an unknown (but very little) amount of everclear. Instantly the bubbles dissolved. Just by swirling the now thinner mix in the cup I was able to pour 95% of it onto my oil slick mat. This looked AMAZING. It was at this point that I fumbled it and got water all over the extraction while it was on my mat. A LOT. It went from amazing looking to gray mud is the best way to describe it. I heated it on an electric griddle for a bit and got rid of the water, but I definitely over heated it.
Clearly I made a lot of mistakes, but what I have after all those errors on my part is a clear sap that was ALMOST shatter. It is pliable because I over heated it on the griddle out of impatience and frustration of soaking it in water. After all that I can still say its the best looking concentrate I've seen in person. I'll have to take some pics.
I can only imagine how amazing the product I'll end up with will be once I learn from my mistakes and avoid soaking my extract. I'm very excited to try again, but this stuff is REALLY potent, so I am taking my time and getting other things for my new purge experiments. I'm sure I'll end up running a batch in a week or so. I want to get a flatter pyrex to blast into, and perhaps even a toaster oven for purging reasons. I figure if done outside with an oven thermometer inside (because the temps are never accurate on anything these days) I should be able to purge nicely.
My friend is using my ecig stuff right now. He had a bunch of nasty BHO and was able to purge it easily with the Ejuice provided. It really does allow the trapped butane to leave the extract, just like everclear does in my current method. He loves the ecigs. LOVES them. I think I might be one of the people mildly allergic to the PG and PEG. I've tried both, and tried a plain ecig from another brand. Both times I get BAD irritation. This is from another name brand ecig with 0% nicotine and the pen from liquidizer. Everyone else loves it, so a mild allergy is the best I can guess. The pen itself hits HARD though, and can store a lot of oil if you want. We took it out on a boat and at the rate we were going had enough to vape for a month. A couple hits would do with the very potent ejuice/extract mix that I made. I'd say for anyone who isn't allergic or sensitive to the PEG or PG (unfortunately for me it seems to be both) then the ecig is THE stealthiest, fastest and easiest way to vape on the go. 2-3 hits was doing it for everyone who tried my mix, and that was my first try. I was more interested in the liquidizer itself, but I have to admit I'm sad that I get the irritation from the pen, or it might just have become my go to method. I plan on trying VG next to see if I can get away with using that. Then I might be able to use the pen more.
Sorry for the huge wall of text, just trying to share my thoughts on this system. As for the liquidizer itself, well it makes the actual extraction idiot proof. Just be careful not to soak and burn your concentrate once you are done...like me
I can't wait until the next batch. I feel like it will be some pictures to really show off!
ru_frothi
Portable Vaporist
Yes they medicate well depending on tolerance levels.
I started with an Omicron and I could get medicated with that after 6+ puffs....
That was 2 years ago.
since then my tolerance has gone up much more and honestly the basic 2.4 Omicron like an MFLB just won't get me medicated very much. There are others that will really get the job done.
That said, different pens have different goals just like vapes....
Generally pens come in two types....
load as you go, portable nail - you load a dab into one of these and you get a few hits and then you repeat the process. I have a Thermovape EVO in this genre.
Then there are tank systems which hold some more significant amount of extract, (up to a gram in the case of omicron/persei).
There is the original omicron 2.4 ohm which will give you 200-400 hits from a G of concentrate.
not strong enough for me anymore but great for beginners to learn on.
They have much higher power cartridges which give fewer but larger hits. The persei can take two carts so my fav setup is the Persi at 7.4V with 2 x 4.0 Ohm carts. This setup is not for newbies, you can make a huge mess with that setup but it hits hard when you get it working. It's uber potent.
So hell yes they will medicate you if you have the right device for the right job.
That said, the evo is not available anymore, it was replaced by the CERA I beleive but its a great device. amazing flavor, easy to use....
The omicron/persei are not easy to get started with. I found them much more difficult at first than any herb vape but then again we figuring it all out because its so new. The process is much more documented and understood now. DubC and I were baffled the first time we filled a cart with 1G of CO2 and it all stuck to the sides and wouldn't prime, but that's all old news if stick with a well supported unit.
The problem with these vapes is that most are cheap knockoffs, imitations, adapted e-cigs with no engineering, etc, etc....
THC Scientific, Thermovape come to mind first to me as quality vendors. No one can argue that Vapor Brothers has been around a long time.... The BHOLT looks interesting...
BTW: links to many of these are in my signature.
Harborside in San Jose has been selling the mvape with the glass globe (looks like a mini Ti nail rig) and I know a few folks who like those and hated the omicron.
There is no perfect unit. Load as you go seem simpler but a results perspective but another big concern is longevity of the heating elements. many of these seem fail rapidly...
I'm sure OF will chime in more if he hasn't already
and BTW: The liquidizer looks great. Luckily I have access to great extracts and don't want or need to make my own but if I did I would be all over one of these....
back to my Rasberry 120 Ice wax I was enjoying from the Flashvape
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Dreamerr
Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
Excellent answer and well thought out. It may have been the best full explanation I ever got. It seems like oil isn't always good then cause it will raise your tolerance. I suppose it is best left for much needed stealth situations or travel but then you wouldn't want a dab on a stick I wouldn't think. I would think you would want a tank of some sort. Also like you said failure rates of the atomizers or whatever parts they use.
ru_frothi
Portable Vaporist
Honestly I don't think one of these if for you, they can be PITA, if you like you tinker then you can tinker endessly.
I don't beleive the Oil raises your tolerance any more than herb its just more potent. Daily usage of Cali medical cannabis raised my tolerance significantly. When you have a device like an omicron/persei/tv you can consume a lot of extract in short amount of time and get very very medicated. That's what raises the tolerance.
That said get some good bubble or full melt and load that as a sandwhich in your vape for some extra umph and great hash flavor.
I still enjoy smoking hash as well from time to time just to mix it up.
PeteSeattle
Well-Known Member
Agree with the tolerence thing. I've been dabbing for a while. Family has been visiting and just a day or two without vaping anything lowered my level significantly. Last night I sneaked a pen into the bathroom. 3 hits I was medicated. So give it a day or two if you can handle it.
darkrom
Great Scott!
You are the best. I wanted to but figured my first run would be sloppy. I was right lol.
Alright boys and girls - I started this batch with GDP (3 Grams) x Grape Ape (3 Grams) and 1 gram of ABV
This is what it looked like after it's ass whipping!
Answering my buddies question about filling the tube neatly - I plug the top, flip and using a funnel.....
Using a business card I fill the tube....
And I stop when while packing down she reaches here...
I get my shit together and head outside
Using the glass vile I place upside down under that brace that holds the tube for extraction. I let that catch whatever falls through until I can screen the bottom. I almost loose nothing after practicing.
After I start the extract I go inside and start my warm water bath for the initial purge and then the zero waste method. Today, start to finish 21 Minutes.
This is what it looked like after it's ass whipping!
Answering my buddies question about filling the tube neatly - I plug the top, flip and using a funnel.....
Using a business card I fill the tube....
And I stop when while packing down she reaches here...
I get my shit together and head outside
Using the glass vile I place upside down under that brace that holds the tube for extraction. I let that catch whatever falls through until I can screen the bottom. I almost loose nothing after practicing.
After I start the extract I go inside and start my warm water bath for the initial purge and then the zero waste method. Today, start to finish 21 Minutes.
darkrom
Great Scott!
Awesome. So you just "fill" the tube rather than "pack"? I literally compressed the buds (not ground at the advice of some internet geniuses over at /r/cannabisextracts) and I'm guessing it made it way too tight.
I really love using this thing. Set up liquidizer, take piss, grab snack, walk outside and oh look, BHO is all ready for whatever purging method you prefer
I don't think I'll be mixing any ABV with my EXPENSIVE buds, but I'd love to try a pure ABV run some day. If I decide its gross it'd be amazing to mix "ABVBHO" into a balm of sorts for pain relief. I'm actually going to see if my friends want to donate some of their ABV. I have a friend who doesn't buy bud and only vapes when hes with me. Hes got a SERIOUSLY damaged foot that I want to make him some balm for. It'd be a great test for BHO-Balm.
I really love using this thing. Set up liquidizer, take piss, grab snack, walk outside and oh look, BHO is all ready for whatever purging method you prefer
I don't think I'll be mixing any ABV with my EXPENSIVE buds, but I'd love to try a pure ABV run some day. If I decide its gross it'd be amazing to mix "ABVBHO" into a balm of sorts for pain relief. I'm actually going to see if my friends want to donate some of their ABV. I have a friend who doesn't buy bud and only vapes when hes with me. Hes got a SERIOUSLY damaged foot that I want to make him some balm for. It'd be a great test for BHO-Balm.
PeteSeattle
Well-Known Member
My ejuice arrived. Now to play around with some bho and diluting. My entire kit arrives next week! 