Discontinued The Liquidizer Herb2Vapor System - Safety Butane Extractor & Mini-vaporizer
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darkrom
Great Scott!
It's usually 91, and 99%, and yes pretty big difference IMO. Think about that. 8% more water means it'll take longer to evaporate etc. Both will work.
I have to say I was a fan of ISO before, but now all I use it for is "polishing" my BHO by using it to thin it out to allow the final butane to evaporate. Then all thats left is purging the iso itself, which is pretty damn easy with low heat and or time. Even faster if it is 99%. Best of all IMO would be everclear, since it is already non-toxic, so if any residual solvent were left it would be like vaporizing a minuscule fraction of a shot.
It can't be that big of a difference really? Next you are going to say name brand is better...
Name brand isn't better, but some brands will use bittering agents. So name brand might not be better, but check the ingredients between 2 brands to compare to be safe. Should be alcohol and water. If you see anything else don't use it.
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Im using an Ethanol. It's a HUGE fucking difference from the 91. I just started using the ethanol and I'm hooked, I can't get enough. There is no after taste in the slightest. It's evaporation properties leave nothing but plant matter flavor. I swear if you could taste it's like chewing on grass, it's incredible.
poonman
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I can't get Everclear up here .
But I think I can get Ethanol tho , maybe grain ethanol ? idk
I'm using 99 % iso .
Saw some vids using butane first then adding iso .
You can really see the 2 solvents reacting to each other .
Followed by the purges .
I can't see myself buying a vacuum purging machine/cooker .
I'm just doing the warm water bath right now , and I've also seen it in the vids .
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the butane and iso is for making shatter ...
My Liquidizer came in today! When I get home from work it's on!Expect pictures and review before the night is over!
Looking forward to your review! Thank you everyone for all the questions and apologies for the delayed response, demand is growing and we've been busy trying to keep up.
The first extraction is a tricky one as you don't know what to expect or what you'll enjoy. The instructions we include are a great starting point and we encourage experimentation. In that regard we'd like to extend a special thanks to mvapes for thinking outside the box in searching for his ideal form of concentrate and we're jazzed that an ethanol mix may be the right match for your palate. Well done!
Here's a simple suggestion for how with just 7 grams of flowers you can produce and experiment with 4 unique forms of concentrate so long as you have some grain ethanol (our top choice of transport alcohol).
FINDING YOUR BLISS: FOUR WAYS TO ENJOY YOUR EXTRACT
(Requires grain alcohol; without ethanol you're limited to concentrates 1 and 2 only.)
Prepare your herbs, load up the Liquidizer, set it outside, squeeze the handle and head back inside for 10 minutes.
1) RAW WAX: When you return, unpurged wax will be waiting in the beaker. This is the first kind of concentrate, and you can sample it directly by scrapping up a tiny amount and "dabbing" for those familiar. If you really enjoy it and want to scrape more, for better performance and appearance use the purging ring to let the wax sit in hot/simmering water for 20-40 minutes for a basic heat purge.
Now that you've sampled a bit of raw wax, the next step is to add about 2ml of grain ethanol:
- Gently warm the beaker and stir until the wax is dissolved into the ethanol.
- Draw up this solution into one (or two) syringes as necessary.
- Take half of that volume and place it in the freezer for winterization, and the other half return to the beaker in the purging ring (for example, if you have 1 full syringe with 3ml of extract/ethanol, return 1.5ml to the beaker and the rest place in the freezer. Or if you have 2 syringes with 2ml each, empty one into the beaker and the other in the freezer).
The liquid returned to the beaker will be made into regular Ejuice in about 15 minutes, while the liquid in the freezer will be winterized the next day.
2) STANDARD EJUICE: Keep the liquid in the beaker in hot water using the purging ring as we allow the ethanol to evaporate off. Add just .1ml - .2ml (10 to 20 drops) of EJmix to aid the ethanol in escaping. In 15 minutes nearly all the ethanol should be gone leaving behind just a strong EJmix/extract blend which is our normal Ejuice. Sample on the infinite wick. This way, while the liquid to be winterized is chilling out, you have Ejuice to keep you entertained and busy. Standard Ejuice is the second variety of concentrate, ready 15-20 minutes after the wax.
3) DE-WAXED OIL: The next day you can cold filter off the waxes using our stainless steel filter, tube, and beaker as described in the instructions. After this step you'll have the filtered ethanol/extract blend. Place half of that volume in a beaker in the purging ring and heat with water for 10 - 15 minutes to evaporate away most of the ethanol. You now have de-waxed oil which may be too thick to draw up in a syringe (you can add a few drops of ethanol to correct this) but if you "dab" the oil it will perform beautifully. So de-waxed herbal oil / ethanol blend is the third variety.
4) VIRGIN EJUICE (our favorite): Lastly take the remainder of the syringe, add to the beaker in the purging ring, add .1ml of EJmix (10 drops), heat for 10-15 minutes to evaporate off the ethanol, and the final result is Virgin Ejuice, variety number 4.
In our instructions we recommend people add the EJmix directly to the extract as 5 minutes of mixing is faster than adding alcohol and EJmix at once, which will dissolve more of the extract for an easier zero-waste step. Adding the alcohol will require an additional 10-15 minutes to allow the alcohol to evaporate off. Adding alcohol is a reversible process - given you have the patience to allow it evaporate away. Adding EJmix is irreversible which is why dilution is a one way street.
Please understand alcohol isn't actually necessary for creating Ejuice, but it certainly makes things easier and allows for zero-waste techniques, so virtually no extract is lost or wasted.
That's very interesting, we're curious to know how would you describe the difference?
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vaporonly
living in a van down by the river
ethanol at home depot is going to be denatured, which can be problematic depending on what they used to denature it. it's also not going to be food or lab grade.
poon man, grain alcohol is what everclear is. ethanol is another name of grain alcohol, but anywhere you see it besides the liquor store will probably be denatured. ethanol for consumption has additional taxes that can be avoided by making it unfit for human consumption.
, I remembered half but not the dangerous half. I knew there was more to it.
ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
EVER CLEAR is just MOONSHINE. LEGALLY made!
it's called something else in CANADA most likely.
I will do vacuum purge regardless of what I use to extract.
OK since you know this subject so well please keep me from wasting my time.
I have a VACUUM press I will convert to do purging.
If I make wax using your LIQUIDIZER and vacuum purge is this overkill?
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We would of course first try to convince you to give liquids a try, either with EJmix or grain ethanol, you'll find using liquids more convenient and you may even prefer the flavor and you'd never have to worry about purging again.
Regular wax in our opinion is over-rated, even those lovely chips of solid clear vacuum purged waxes, although pretty to look at, are actually a celebration of high wax content. And since you're inhaling heavy hydrocarbons at high temperature we'd think residual butane should be the least of your concerns. So in this case, yes it's overkill done mostly for appearances.
However, if you Liquidize, use ethanol to winterize, and then vacuum purge the cold filtered de-waxed oil of the remaining ethanol, you'll go beyond a wax to a heavenly oil which would be the strongest cleanest purest concentrate possible. That may be something worth pursuing, it's a not waste of time to chase after true perfection.
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ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
Thank you for responding.
Now how much trim can I process at a time with the Liquidizer?
The Liquidizer is sized for individual users looking to make concentrates of extraordinary quality. We believe small extractions of top shelf materials are safer and faster and more rewarding than large extractions of low quality material.
We recommend between 7g - 20g of the finest quality flowers possible. We wouldn't recommend trim at all for this application, this is a unique and artisanal approach to extracts where quality and flavor are supreme.
ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
So I simply throw away the trim and use top shelf flower 15 grams?
Yield?
it's worth it if the flavor is optimized!
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Depending on your flowers, for 15 grams probably between 1.5g - 2.5g of oil.
ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
Cool stuff!
can I load the product into a OMNICRON cart?
The colas are from:
Girl Scout Cookies
Grand Daddy Purple
GOD'S GIFT
Blue Dream
darkrom
Great Scott!
Ataxian I'd say don't throw away your trim. The liquidizer WILL do just fine with trim, however its not a fair indication of what the product can produce. Crap in crap out. Top quality flower in, top quality extract out. That being said free "crappy" extract is still better than buds in some cases!
By no means should you throw away trim, save it as your "b stash" and just be sure to just the liquidizer when using the best you can get.
The resulting oil should work just fine in the omicron carts.
I'd suggest you do a nice Girl Scout Cookies run. No real reason behind that other than I've been dying to try the strain, and I heard butane extracted GSC is to die for.
By no means should you throw away trim, save it as your "b stash" and just be sure to just the liquidizer when using the best you can get.
The resulting oil should work just fine in the omicron carts.
I'd suggest you do a nice Girl Scout Cookies run. No real reason behind that other than I've been dying to try the strain, and I heard butane extracted GSC is to die for.
vaporonly
living in a van down by the river
moonshine is made of corn most of the time. everclear is made with grain. moonshine rarely reaches the proof that everclear comes in and has impurities. most of the moonshine is approximately 50% alcohol, roughly the same as 100 proof vodka. everclear is 95% alcohol.
ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
Thank you for clearing up the confusion for me.
OK so all my trim will be "B" grade or A-
Top COLAS AAA GRADE
Lower COLAS A GRADE
Girl Scout Cookies is my Favorite.
OK I was wrong!
I guess I assumed incorrectly.
Must be the CHEAP LOW GRADE FLOWERS I HAVE?
Sorry and thank you!
I use EVERCLEAR anyway!
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RUDE BOY
Space is the Place
CORN IS A GRAIN !!!!!!!!!!!! Kinda what everclear is made of .
Moonshine and Everclear are the same thing basically , Grain (corn) alcohol that's not aged in wood
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OF
Well-Known Member
Sometimes. Here on the Left Coast it's 151 proof (75%).
While there's a legal and in the cases of low proof single rectified spirits sometimes a useful factor from the starch source in the making, C2H5OH is the same the world over, no matter what it's made from. What we deal with here is basically ethanol and water......all of which we hope evaporates before we consume it?
Yes, 'shine and everclear are different. Although 'shine is often sugar based (your 'money moonshine') in fact I believe (corn prices being what they are). The only two stills I ever had experience with never saw a grain of corn....or any other grain. Just sugar and yeast and water. Both, I think, can be classed loosely as 'grain neutral spirits' or just Ethanol? For intent if not practice?
Don't you follow? Use your secret decoder ring, man! He might be talking about you.....lots of us do.
OF