Discontinued The Liquidizer Herb2Vapor System - Safety Butane Extractor & Mini-vaporizer
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poonman
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I'm guessing it's up to each individual owner to do their own purging processes .
Maybe multiple warm water baths , and this thing I've heard about vacuum purging is
supposed to be the best way . idk
And even several butane tanks for the same load like you did .
Which is cool with me , I just want to be able to get the most out of it , including
potency along with quantity .
Their advertised 15 minutes is great , but I'm willing to put in more time if needed .
How's the pen ?
Yoshimattsu
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I bet mvapes' finished product is mixed with the EJmix for use with his pen, correct me if I'm wrong, but it would be much thicker if you stopped at the pure oil and didn't add the EJmix.
poonman
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I bet mvapes' finished product is mixed with the EJmix for use with his pen, correct me if I'm wrong, but it would be much thicker if you stopped at the pure oil and didn't add the EJmix.
Hey you bought one too , correct ?
When you expecting to get yours ?
Yoshimattsu
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I ordered it on Saturday, hoping to try my first run on Tuesday or Wednesday!!
Your right guys, that is with EJ mix however let me know when you get your kits as I have a few tricks that I use to increase the potency a bit.
For one, once you read on the zero waste method you'll learned that they use this as a second small batch of hi potency concentrate. Instead - I mix the stuff with my atomizer oil for the infinite wick as it ads a boost of MJ flavor and kick in the ass as well.
And Poon- you are correct, if you wanted to use the to run a honey or consistency you would just omit the final process to dilute the mix for pen use. And as for an omicron or a Persei that can handle a thicker more syrup like texture you can use much less EJ Mix as opposed the 3 ML I used. I find that a much cleaner or less concentrated solution is better suited for the pen the include. Yeah it means more refilling but honestly I'll take that over shitty flavor any day!
This is how my pen looks...
For one, once you read on the zero waste method you'll learned that they use this as a second small batch of hi potency concentrate. Instead - I mix the stuff with my atomizer oil for the infinite wick as it ads a boost of MJ flavor and kick in the ass as well.
And Poon- you are correct, if you wanted to use the to run a honey or consistency you would just omit the final process to dilute the mix for pen use. And as for an omicron or a Persei that can handle a thicker more syrup like texture you can use much less EJ Mix as opposed the 3 ML I used. I find that a much cleaner or less concentrated solution is better suited for the pen the include. Yeah it means more refilling but honestly I'll take that over shitty flavor any day!
This is how my pen looks...
stickstones
Vapor concierge
was that supposed to be 0.3ml, mvapes?
Yoshimattsu
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Just bought my butane, I got 2 320ml cans of Vector 5x, 6 bucks a can.. I have 45 grams of abv and about 9 grams of fresh for my first 2 runs 
I plan to use half the fresh in each batch, then fill it the rest of the way with my ABV. One batch will be winterized, purged, and kept as pure oil, and the second batch will be winterized, then fully processed into "juice" for use with my EJVape.
Now to the waiting!!
I plan to use half the fresh in each batch, then fill it the rest of the way with my ABV. One batch will be winterized, purged, and kept as pure oil, and the second batch will be winterized, then fully processed into "juice" for use with my EJVape. Now to the waiting!!
Yoshimattsu
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That 45 grams is my consumption from July so far! 
Hi! We'll be glad to answer your question. Sorry everyone for the delay in responses over this past week. We were attending the Champs Trade Show in Las Vegas where we were very well received. As a result, we're pleased to announce the Liquidizer will soon be available in dozens of West Coast retailers!
We would love to debate ejuice vs. wax with the FC community, and encourage others to join in. We say wax because although some herbs such as ground clove do yield a light oil after extraction (in which case EJmix aids in diluting an otherwise overpoweringly concentrated taste) others such as tobacco produce more of a semi-solid wax. (If there is a discussion about whether butane should be purged from an "oil", the argument is over a semi-solid wax instead. Oil, in the classic "vegetable oil" sense of smooth flowing liquid, is unable to retain butane as it boils at low temperature 30F-32F.)
We believe liquids are the future due to many advantages over wax:
- Liquids are much easier and cleaner to store, dispense, transport and measure. The tools used are dispensing syringes and dropper bottles, rather than oil vials and scrapping/dabbing tools. Unscrewing a dropper bottle and adding a drop onto a wick is easier than opening a wax container, taking a dabbling tool, picking up a hard to measure amount of wax, placing it onto a wick, heating the wick so the wax melts and then putting away the dabbing tool which is now dirty. Then there is the waste of wax left over in the vial, the wax that gets on your hands and won't wash off with water and other hassles.
- Liquids allow for more precise and uniform dosing/dispensing as droplets and milliliters are more precise than an arbitrary visual guess of a lump of wax. Liquids allow for greater control of the strength and concentration of the final extract. Less inhalation is a goal for some, but there are hundreds of thousands of others enjoying nicotine and zero nicotine flavored eliquids for whom more flavor and more inhalation is desirable.
- Liquids allow for a rapid and thorough purging process. As we've mentioned, purging semi-solid wax takes a lot of time and effort, with some even employing vacuum pumps. Those who skip purging entirely experience an unpurged wax, which does not perform well when heated as the retained butane causes pops and hisses, making a mess as it escapes. This arduous process becomes a thing of a the past for those who transition to liquid.
- Liquids deliver superior flavor and vapor density as the 380F boiling point of glycols is ideal for botantical extracts. I'm sure many vaporizer users here know that 380F is a decent temperature setting. Glycols acts as a temperature moderator. To understand the importance of this imagine two pots on a stove, one filled with water and one empty. The steel of the empty pot will become as hot as the flame heating it, possibly to the point of melting. The steel of the hot water pot will not be able to become much hotter than 212F until the water is gone. Wax concentrates contain a significant amount of heavy waxes, such as paraffin, which has a boiling point of over 650F (search MSDS sheets for paraffin wax). It causes higher coil temperatures than the ideal 380F, leading to muted flavors and greater inhalation of heavy hydrocarbons and oxidized byproducts. Further, creating vapor clouds is one of the things glycols do best in the world, hence their use in theatrical smoke machines and ecigs the world over. They deliver the herbal essences at lower temperatures for greater flavor in a thicker smoother cloud. No one uses wax in smoke machines for good reason.
- Greater potency at lower temperatures: the greater amount of vapor the EJmix creates delivers more vaporized oils/essences than wax at the same temperature, which more than compensates for EJmix being a "tiny bit weaker". By definition a cubic centimeter (1ml) of 100% pure purged wax must be more potent that 1 cubic cm of a wax plus glycol mixture, but don't assume that 1ml of wax and 1 ml of glycol would occupy twice the volume. If you pour a cup of sand into a cup of marbles the combination takes up less that two full cups because much of the sands settles inbetween the larger marbles. Such is it with larger wax molecules and the much smaller PG molecules in EJmix. The fusion of wax and EJmix produces something much stronger than you would expect, delivered in greater quantity thanks to a thicker vapor cloud at a lower temperature than a wax can produce, such that as mvapes put it so well, the EJvape hits like "a softball to the chest".
EJvape and pen use is about public spaces: leaving the home and going out into the street with total peace of mind. If you are at a concert with a big clumsy vaporizer you will get second looks, whereas with a mini-cig you are virtually invisible. Ejuice is freedom.
Yoshimattsu
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So I know better than to rush a BHO extraction, but the impatience I'm full of got the best of me during lunch. It was raining so I still couldn't test the liquidizer, but I did squirt a bunch of the Ejuice mix into a glass jar filled with 1/4 oz of BHO that I had bought off of someone on the street a long time back. The BHO was definitely winterized, but was still very thick. I then filled one of the carts on the pen with it. Here is where I rushed, it doesn't appear to be the "infinite wick" cart that I filled. Whoops.
Not really sure what the difference between the 2 carts was, but this is what I get for rushing lol. I hope it at least allows me to get some use out of the cart full of oil, but I was willing to sacrifice this BHO in the name of science. That and I really want an e-cig pen with me on my travels for discreet and powerful pain medication on the go. Once I leave work I'll be testing the pen. I'll start with 1 single hit as I expect that will be fine since I have little to no BHO tolerance....yet.
EDIT: It turns out I used the infinite wick. NOT the clearomizer. Not really sure the difference and when to use one vs the other. I hope this works, but if it doesn't I know for sure I'm to blame since I was rushing and didn't do due diligence to make sure I did this correctly.
I've never used e-cigs before. I get the feeling that filling a cart full of this concentrate was a bad idea? It looks more like I should just be loading mini amounts at once? I'll have to test because if I just wasted a gram of BHO then so be it, but hopefully I don't
Thank you for the feedback darkrom, in the next edition of our instructions we'll try to be bit more clear on the different uses of the Infinite Wick vs. the standard cartomizer as the applications of each are quite different.
The Infinite Wick is a floating wick intended for liquid dabbing, meaning the purpose is to vaporize individual drops of highly concentrated juice for instant satisfaction in two to three inhales. Once the flavor spoils let the coils glow red heat so all the residue is blazed away into the air. The wick is now clean and ready for the next drop after cooling for a moment. This is our preferred method as taste is never comprised and you are able to "vape the spectrum" of inhaling only the best flavors, and then blazing the heavy waxes away so they are released into the air for cleanest possible experience.
The standard cartomizer is for use with diluted Ejuice that will be inhaled multiple times until the wick dries or the atomizer is caked in residue. It provides a leisurely ecig style of satisfaction over multiple inhales, but taste is increasingly sacrificed the longer it is used, which is why we suggest adding only small amounts at first and then progressively adding more as you discover what works and doesn't.
We recommend you begin with dark thick juice with barely any EJmix (.3ml/30 drops) and taste a drop on the Infinite Wick. From there add 20 more drops and use the Infinite wick to sample the juice again. Continue until you've found the right blend for you. This is the same as a chef tasting his food while cooking.
Once you've found a concentration you like, experiment using it in the standard cartomizer, small amounts at a time (.1ml - .3ml) and then continue from there.
Please let us know if any of this is unclear of if you have any other questions. Thanks again!
Yoshimattsu
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Thank you sir!
But I must say, dealing with the folks over at Liquidizer.com has been really great so far and I haven't even gotten my package yet! They gave me a really great discount code for showing interest in their product, as I'm sure they have for many of you here.
Then today I received an e-mail with an order update, they wanted to thank me for my order and let me know when to expect my package, now because I am located in a rural part of our country, it's gonna take a couple extra days (something I am used to). To thank me for my patience, they threw in a couple extra "goodies"!!
These kinds of things are huge to me, and I wanted to share my positive experience. In a time when the majority of our purchases are done online, customer service and the interactions online retailers have with the individual buyer are of the utmost importance. It gives us (the buyer) a feeling of significance, and helps the retailer to stand out in this mess of choices we have!
So thank you folks at Liquidizer for everything so far, and keep up the amazing work!
darkrom
Great Scott!
Yep sums it up right. Very happy with Liquidizer and their product and customer service. Now I just need to do a run without spilling water in it, over purging etc lol. The setup makes it hard to screw up. The actual extraction was a piece of cake. I have to find some more quality butane locally and I can try another run without over packing the tube. I will say what I tried has been amazing so far!
