The HI

timmahsan

timmahsan

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So, I just received my beautiful Walnut (from a recycled gun stock!) and ebony wood cap HI from Alan today after coming home from a nice mountain drive with the wife. I let her warm up at 12v and dropped her to 11.8. I am thoroughly impressed. It is light as a feather, and hits very hard. No wonder why everyone joins onto the wait list. I waited a little over a year, and it was well worth the wait.
 
Madcap79

Madcap79

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Good morning all, good to be home after a business trip. Anyway, I came home to a couple new toys to plays with, courtesy of @Alan ! I know these aren't strictly to do with the HI but adaptability comes from Alan so hopefully it's ok to post them here. It also came with a whip but I haven't fiddled with it too much. I'm way medicated. :freak: Thanks so much Alan, for my adapters!

Edit: Are all the pics sideways to anyone else?

Wine Cork Tube
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WCT Split
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Long direct draw to HI
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HT attachment for the HI. Gotta be careful though, a screen is supporting the weight so you can't just sit it on top of the WCT.
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Shorty direct draw for Versa and Cloud.......and future projects. ;)
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WT attachment for Versa.
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Bvapst

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So let's do a small first review after those few test-session with HI Glass Core (or heater cover) and wine-cork tubes ! Probably I'll repeat others but I think it's worth it and not too many reviews yet.

I have done a short break last night using my WW (SS) with the VK.

First I have to say is I used the HI dry at a low voltage through a jhook, and got several hits with an homogenize extraction. Something which may require more technique with a SS core. Of course those hits weren't lung-buster. Instead of getting a fast huge vapor (ss like) I could sip on it during several seconds and get a good size of light delightful vapor.

Took like 4 or 5 of those "light" hits and here you go :
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Then I thought it's cool, I get what I want on that point of view after a few test, but what else ?
Through different experiments I came to the conclusion I should use the wine cork manually and not like intended. Of course it's nice to be able to sit HI on it and use only one hand while enjoying the low heat vapor.
But the distance from where sit your medicinal herb and heating element was quite far IMO. I had 2 possibilities : dial voltage up or get in closer !
I'm almost sure it needs longer than my SS core log to be "hot" and ready to give high heat hits.
So I decided to : put voltage up to around 12.40-50 / give him time to be hot / use wine-cork manually. Results down the post and in following videos !

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Wine-cork consist of : the top part (left) and the down part (right : GG 14male). (Note the screens placed inside have are much finer than in other tubes !)
top part : the glass tube gets in +- in the middle where a screen is stuck. This is where your HI will be sitting.
down part : similar the glass gets in almost in middle where a screen is stuck. This where your bowl is.

It is easy to take of and put back in place the screen (just have done it) thanks to the diameter of glass and wine-cork cutting.
However you should think about pressing on the wine cork where the glass is when you decompose it. Sometime the glass tube will be snug in the top part instead of the down like it should. Not a big deal just to get used to it.

There is a lot of composition to do with those parts ! And breaking some wouldn't be a drama (depends which one).
For example you could use the top part directly onto the 14mm GG male glass tube (without wine-cork so)
You could also imagine making a double bowl ! Something which need higher temp on the top-part bowl and lower on down. Or even putting some bud or some organic fiber (hemp cotton...) to collect some of the essentials.

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All in place showing you the distance :
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Overall the wine-cork is really nice invention ! The only thing to care about I think is when you remove glass tubes and putt back them : to look for not having some wine-cork debris on your screen. When in place there is no connection at all between glass core, vapor stream and winecork.

Knowing I wanted some more consistent vapor while the heating element was quite far while using wine-cork the "classic lazy way"... I thought : Ok let's play ! So I've used only the down part and I've been marking where I should get for the heating element to be just on top of the load (that's easy ti find out : remove glass tube and check where it ends on the wine-cork).
Also by mistake I've been using the top part as a bowl directly.

This technique gave us much more consistent vapor. Here is 2 loads of Power Plan bubblehash after 1 hit !

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More pictures
http://imgur.com/a/Xjrzo#0
 
Bvapst

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On that video that's when I've been mistaking and used the WC full - putting the loads on top part and using it manually ! That was some vaped loads of bubble and flower mixed in the bowl.

Here using only the down part WC- manual way ! Only weed, dark-abv pieces you can see ( the leftover at the end of video) is in fact some hash which was still there ! Really evenly extracted ! The video don't show it good enough.


Thanks @Madcap79 ;) Nice pieces you have there to play too !
 
Scott A

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Couple questions for you guys. It seems that the general consensus is that the glass cores run cooler? Is that right? Am I wrong to think that a VVPS could make up for any heat difference? How is the heat retention during the hit between the two cores? Can the glass core get bogged down(lose to much heat during a hit)?

I already have an underdog so im leaning towards the glass core just for something different. Is the taste difference noticeable between the glass and stainless?
 
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Scott A said:
Couple questions for you guys. It seems that the general consensus is that the glass cores run cooler? Is that right? Am I wrong to think that a VVPS could make up for any heat difference? How is the heat retention during the hit between the two cores? Can the glass core get bogged down(lose to much heat during a hit)?

I already have an underdog so im leaning towards the glass core just for something different. Is the taste difference noticeable between the glass and stainless?
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That is the general consensus as far as I know. A vvps can also make up for it, AFAIK. I have the glass core (hybrid) and since I tend to take slower hits (my SSFG gridded inline works most enjoyably when hit slower, IMO), I can get my material dark enough at 12.15 volts to come out looking virtually the same as a level 5 on Solo, which is appx. 393 F (and some conduction, IMO)

I don't like to take my herb any further than that, but obviously if I just cranked it up a little more, I could. Frankly, the hybrid gets my herbs darker at lower voltages than I was expecting. It's still got plenty of power.

Also, my glass HI gets pretty darn warm above the middle when keeping it at 12 volts or more. Since it responds so fast, if I'm hitting it at that high of a temp, I turn it down to 11.5 in-between my mini-sessions.

I probably wouldn't want a glass HI without a vvps, really.

I've never had the hybrid lose too much heat, but I'm not taking lung-busting hits, so I can't say for certain. Based on the vids I've seen, the hybrid doesn't seem to produce the same thickness in clouds as the SS core, but they sure seem thick enough to me.

I would say the taste is noticeabley different than my UD or Nano. I have one friend who has recently used my HI as well as my old Nano and UD and he however said they all tasted the same to him. :shrug:

I'd say try the glass core version for something different. Just my opinion. :2c:

Oofta! Manic Monday morning.
 
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hoyo77

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EveryDayAmnesiac said:
That is the general consensus as far as I know. A vvps can also make up for it, AFAIK. I have the glass core (hybrid) and since I tend to take slow hits (my SSFG gridded inline works most enjoyably when hit slow, IMO), I can get my material dark enough at 12.15 volts to come out looking virtually the same as a level 5 on Solo, which is appx. 393 F, I think.

I don't like to take my herb any further than that, but obviously if I just cranked it up a little more, I could. Frankly, the hybrid gets my herbs darker at lower voltages than I was expecting. It's still got plenty of power.

Also, my glass HI gets pretty darn warm above the middle when keeping it at 12 volts or more. Since it responds so fast, if I'm hitting it at that high of a temp, I turn it down to 11.5 in-between my mini-sessions.

I probably wouldn't want a glass HI without a vvps, really.

I've never had the hybrid lose too much heat, but I'm not taking lung-busting hits, so I can't say for certain. Based on the vids I've seen, the hybrid doesn't seem to produce the same thickness in clouds as the SS core, but they sure seem thick enough to me.

I would say the taste is noticeabley different than my UD or Nano. I have one friend who has recently used my HI as well as my old Nano and UD and he however said they all tasted the same to him. :shrug:

I'd say try the glass core version for something different. Just my opinion. :2c:

Oofta! Manic Monday morning.
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good info....the videos that I have seen of the hybrid in action....the clouds look pretty damn thick to me.
 
Scott A

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EveryDayAmnesiac said:
That is the general consensus as far as I know. A vvps can also make up for it, AFAIK. I have the glass core (hybrid) and since I tend to take slower hits (my SSFG gridded inline works most enjoyably when hit slower, IMO), I can get my material dark enough at 12.15 volts to come out looking virtually the same as a level 5 on Solo, which is appx. 393 F (and some conduction, IMO)

I don't like to take my herb any further than that, but obviously if I just cranked it up a little more, I could. Frankly, the hybrid gets my herbs darker at lower voltages than I was expecting. It's still got plenty of power.

Also, my glass HI gets pretty darn warm above the middle when keeping it at 12 volts or more. Since it responds so fast, if I'm hitting it at that high of a temp, I turn it down to 11.5 in-between my mini-sessions.

I probably wouldn't want a glass HI without a vvps, really.

I've never had the hybrid lose too much heat, but I'm not taking lung-busting hits, so I can't say for certain. Based on the vids I've seen, the hybrid doesn't seem to produce the same thickness in clouds as the SS core, but they sure seem thick enough to me.

I would say the taste is noticeabley different than my UD or Nano. I have one friend who has recently used my HI as well as my old Nano and UD and he however said they all tasted the same to him. :shrug:

I'd say try the glass core version for something different. Just my opinion. :2c:

Oofta! Manic Monday morning.
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Thank you for your reply. I found some more videos of the glass core in action and im sold. It looks like it can produce the clouds im used to easily. Do the Heast Islands typically run at a lower voltage than underdogs? Do you know if it is possible to use the underdog VVPS with an HI?
 
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When my glass core HI and UD twig (new style core) are both thoroughly heat soaked and set to the same voltage my UD barely outperforms my HI. I can get about one or two more light, airy hits and a load that is slightly darker with the UD than I can with my glass core HI.

I went with the glass core to have a different experience than with my other logs, if I want lung-busting hits I just break out my Cloud. Not to say logs can't, but I use them to sip on and enjoy the vapor as opposed to killing a load in one or two hits.

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Thank you for your reply. I found some more videos of the glass core in action and im sold. It looks like it can produce the clouds im used to easily. Do the Heast Islands typically run at a lower voltage than underdogs? Do you know if it is possible to use the underdog VVPS with an HI?
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They use the same standard input voltage (12V) although they might roast a load to a different point at the same voltage. You can use the UD vvps with the HI, but as with the UD you can NOT plug the 17v (I think?) wall wart directly into the vape as it will likely damage it.
 
timmahsan

timmahsan

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I just wanted to come and leave another praise post about my recent HI! I have been vaping bubble hash on cotton at 12v, it is amazing.

I have never had so much control over my vaping experience. When I use flowers, I can really pull some amazing flavors. After, I can roast it a bit hotter for full extraction. Blamo! The WCT is great, very well designed IMO! I primarily vape my hash in my UD GonG stems and it works perfect on a slight bed of organic natural cotton.

Forgot to post a picture!

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exit

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Sorry guys but has anyone made a good post about all the different roasting tubes? I'm working backwards through the thread still, but this is the only part of the HI i haven't done my research properly for!

Well that and I'll need to pick a vvps.
 
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exit said:
Sorry guys but has anyone made a good post about all the different roasting tubes? I'm working backwards through the thread still, but this is the only part of the HI i haven't done my research properly for!

Well that and I'll need to pick a vvps.
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You'll also probably want a water tool adapter at some point. Alan's cork tubes are outstanding.
 
hoyo77

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exit said:
Sorry guys but has anyone made a good post about all the different roasting tubes? I'm working backwards through the thread still, but this is the only part of the HI i haven't done my research properly for!

Well that and I'll need to pick a vvps.
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@Vitolo has a very nice youtube video where he goes through most of the roasting tubes that @Alan has...he does not cover the WCT wine cork tube. Lots of people are loving that one.
 
way2

way2

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I highly recommend the voltage keeper vvps it works and looks great!!...as far as roasting tubes go there are soooo many to choose from. I went with an 18mm WonG, a WCT, and a u-tube. I use the WonG the most because I usually vape with a WT. The WCT is a really nice dry option IMO.
 
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hoptimum said:
You'll also probably want a water tool adapter at some point. Alan's cork tubes are outstanding.
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Not sure about the hi temp silicone but i know i am sensitive to SS and will probably avoid that.

I did not realize the cork tubes are somethink Alan was making, i thought that was a "3rd party" type thing, so good to know.

And i absolutely will get a water tool adapter, don't worry. I plan on using it with my hydratube like the above poster on this page? I can imagine it would get awkward or tricky rather quickly, but i will probably end up getting another normal inverted glass piece so i can use it with my new Lotus anyway.

@Madcap79 how exactly is that HT thingy you made put together? i wanna be able to use my HI through it!
 
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exit said:
Not sure about the hi temp silicone but i know i am sensitive to SS and will probably avoid that.

I did not realize the cork tubes are somethink Alan was making, i thought that was a "3rd party" type thing, so good to know.

And i absolutely will get a water tool adapter, don't worry. I plan on using it with my hydratube like the above poster on this page? I can imagine it would get awkward or tricky rather quickly, but i will probably end up getting another normal inverted glass piece so i can use it with my new Lotus anyway.
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Alan

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@Bvapst - You are welcome. Glad you are enjoying it. Thanks for posting the photos and videos. Looks like you found another way to use the wine cork tube. The vapor would condense on anything put in the middle tube when using the outer tube for roasting.

@hoyo77 - Log vapes do work for oil, but you need a large amount of surface area exposed to the hot air. Cotton or hemp fiber can provide enough surface area, but I find that it does affect the taste. Stainless steel wool or better yet gold wool also works, but could use a few more watts for a faster extraction. The stainless steel heater cover will provide hotter air for better extraction.
Thanks for posting the tube video. Have made so many more since then.

@Madcap79 - Thanks for posting the photos. They look alright on my phone. Hope you are having fun trying out all the different combinations of tubes and you get a chance to try the whip.

@timmahsan - Thanks for the pic. Sounds like it is working well.

@exit - You will need a wine cork tube tapered for 18mm to use with your HT. The HI and HT would each need to be held in a separate hand so that too much force is not applied to the screen in the WCT. Will just take a bit of coordination but should work well.
 
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