The Herbalizer
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John Lewus
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As awesome as this is I think $300 is the price that makes me jump in. I'll pre-order to get the notification and reserve my spot in line if I don't have to use my credit card. I have avoided VAS since the cloud but this device is the most interesting alternative for me to date. So my debate is a third, actually fourth, desktop vaporizer or save for a better portable. Argggggggh
Who knows maybe this will be like the original cloud thread where pre-orders ended up being cheaper than the actual product. The forums were bursting with ppl trying to get one after all the initial reviews which I think drove up the price to its current level.
Who knows maybe this will be like the original cloud thread where pre-orders ended up being cheaper than the actual product. The forums were bursting with ppl trying to get one after all the initial reviews which I think drove up the price to its current level.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
don't even bother, john...no way this thing is $300. My money's on double that.
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
$300 is a nice down payment, how would you like to take care of the rest?
mmafighterthe25
Well-Known Member
Yea its def gonna be 500 or more easy
grokit
well-worn member
I agree that it's kind of weird, but I see it as more of an expression of interest than an actual pre-order. There's no commitment by either side, especially without a price point.
Edit: admiralalpacha beat me to it
I think that the technology here looks impressive, but we shall see if that translates into a superior vaping experience. The sublimator is caveman tech and offers arguably the best, so a microprocessor isn't always necessary.
It seems bait plasticky to me for the $5-600 price point, I would love to see this at $399 list/$329 street; I think they would get decent market penetration there if it works as advertised.
To be honest, I didn't go to the website to see what it actually was. The URL says "pre-order" and I went with that. Now that I look at the page it says:
The page title is "Pre Order". It's US-centric too, no place to enter your country and "State" is a required field.
John Lewus
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Yeah I doubt it will be 300 or less which means I'll have to sit this one out. I really hope it does well though . These are the times I wish I did not have to consider the needs of my family.
The problem with asking people to pre-register without knowing the price, is it will be a poor gauge for the company. Say 500 people sign up now...how many will drop out as soon as they find out that it is out of their price range?
If it is feasible, they should just announce the price, and have a limited release to gauge interest. Sublimator sort of did something similar.
If it is feasible, they should just announce the price, and have a limited release to gauge interest. Sublimator sort of did something similar.
Anonymouse
Sith I care
Let's not fall all over ourselves to remove any pricing pressure. Personally, I'd likely still be interested if the unit comes in over US$500, but it'd be a back-burnered purchase at best. I'd probably wait for a sale, price drop or a good used one. I'd like to see it in the $300-400 range, but those numbers are based on the highly-scientific approach of pulling them arbitrarily out of my ass, which has shown only limited effectiveness in the past. Still, it'd be kinda sad if this thing ends up being only a toy for folks with bulk disposable income, rather than an accesible tool for legitimate medical patients.
Yeah, this makes me worry that it's going to be 110v-only. :c
Yeah, this makes me worry that it's going to be 110v-only. :c
Primasilva
Professional Procras... I'll finish this later ;-)
I dunno, the Herbalizer might be less than $500 - I've heard that using a 3D printer is fairly cheap. And the dudes are supposed to be super brilliant NASA engineers, so they should be able to MacGyver something for a relatively low price. I guess it depends whether they're making this more for luxury/fun or for helping sick people. If it IS expensive, maybe they'll at least do a payment plan-type thing for the seriously needy. That'd be pretty awesome!
Anywho, I read on Facebook that they're announcing the price this week. Fingers crossed that it's affordable!
Anywho, I read on Facebook that they're announcing the price this week. Fingers crossed that it's affordable!
The 3d printing was for the prototype. They invested in molds...which are not cheap.
Primasilva
Professional Procras... I'll finish this later ;-)
Oh, I missed that part! Oh well, still hoping. I'll probably end up getting it at some point, anyway :-P
mmafighterthe25
Well-Known Member
A payment plan is great idea, except no companies do it
TommydCat
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They call them credit cards
Anonymouse
Sith I care
Well, yes and no. Injection moulds do indeed cost a metric fuck-ton (seriously, even a very small mould for a couple of small parts like switches would be in the fat end of ten grand), but once you have them, your manufacturing cost per unit on parts is cents. And the machine can spit a sprue out (which generally contain several parts) every few seconds. Compare this with 3D printing when each piece printed costs dollars, maybe rather a lot of dollars, and takes ages. And then you have pay someone to sand and polish it, where and if necessary.
I think he was referring to the cost of have a prototype 3d-printed, though, which sounds all fancy and Blade-Runner-meets-James-Bond, but is actually not that unusual these days, and perfectly economically viable for a startup to use as a rapid-prototyping tool.
The impression I got, was that he was inferring the cost of the unit should be lower, due his assumption they were using a 3D printer for the main manufacturing, and not just for the prototype... hence his response...
IMO, even though the future costs may drop, the initial start up costs are what they have to make money to offset. So till then, the product may be higher than individuals would hope. Not that unusual for most start ups.
I really cant see it being priced more than $499. Which i think is what it will ultimately be released at.
When the vivape was first released it was $459 and it goes for $399 now.( Or really $299 since they have special sales for everything.) i think the vivape will be the main competition for the herbalizer since they are very similar concepts vaporizer wise. If i was in the market for a desktop vape and its only a difference of $100-$200 dollars depending on if the vivapes on sale i would go with the herbalizer hands down. However, I feel like the temperature of my vivape is accurate enough and everything else is similar that so if the herbalizer is more than $500 i just dont see it worth purchasing over the vivape.
grokit
well-worn member
though.
Primasilva
Professional Procras... I'll finish this later ;-)
She, not he
Tweek, you're right - I was talking about 3D printing everything. And Anonymouse, you're right - I thought a 3D printed prototype would be cheap. Didn't know they'd bought molds.
But if they have enough investors, start-up costs (including the price of molds) should be pretty much covered and the buyers shouldn't have to suffer too much, right?
Tweek, you're right - I was talking about 3D printing everything. And Anonymouse, you're right - I thought a 3D printed prototype would be cheap. Didn't know they'd bought molds.
But if they have enough investors, start-up costs (including the price of molds) should be pretty much covered and the buyers shouldn't have to suffer too much, right?
She, not he
Tweek, you're right - I was talking about 3D printing everything. And Anonymouse, you're right - I thought a 3D printed prototype would be cheap. Didn't know they'd bought molds.
But if they have enough investors, start-up costs (including the price of molds) should be pretty much covered and the buyers shouldn't have to suffer too much, right?
Not about buyers suffering...it is about making money. Investors don't want to break even...they want their money back and then some. Don't forget, the people at Herbalizer have to pay their rent, feed their kids, etc, etc..
It is still a niche market...not everyone wants a vaporizer, the way they want a big screen TV. Supply and demand would dictate that you would have to up the price per unit, in order to make back as much as you reasonably can with each sale.
Edit: Sorry ma'am
re: 3D printing for production ... i did a simple calculation to print my 2" cube and it will take an hour each, and that's with 50% open spaces and only 1/8" thick walls.
re: price ... if you have to ask, forgetaboutit. i'm hoping it is >$750. cause, hey, computer temperature control is really exotic, eh?
re: price ... if you have to ask, forgetaboutit. i'm hoping it is >$750. cause, hey, computer temperature control is really exotic, eh?
I don't see the harm in asking about price. I have a feeling this is all going to get moved, as we've taken it off course a bit...but I think a healthy discussion about vape pricing is a good thing. We often assume we are being taken for a ride, and that may be the case at times, but not always. We don't know what their costs for start up are, etc.
Now if we want to point fingers at an overpriced vape, Volcano would be where to start. I think they have been in business long enough to offer a price break...but they don't.
Now if we want to point fingers at an overpriced vape, Volcano would be where to start. I think they have been in business long enough to offer a price break...but they don't.