The Herbalizer
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Been Vapin
Fringe Class
Here is alternative tubing via Amazon for you Prime Members.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000FOWGGW/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new
I picked up an updated complete whip package, 4 pack of squeeze valves, and some KoolGrips today. Using dirty/sticky happiness balloons sucks.
Herbie time!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000FOWGGW/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new
I picked up an updated complete whip package, 4 pack of squeeze valves, and some KoolGrips today. Using dirty/sticky happiness balloons sucks.
Herbie time!
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
Just an update, my Herbie has offically been declared my new daily driver! This thing continues to impress me in every way and I just can't see myself going back to any vapes on a regular basis. I actually started using the stock whip again after a few good iso soaks and can't detect any smell/taste anymore to the silicon. My favourite delivery method is still using @lazylathe little silicon adapter that has been performing flawlessly with a HT...the taste at ANY temperature is just awesome. I also tried the vxl curved dry mouthpiece, and that works okay, but only a lower temps....great flavour, but still hot on the lips, just like it is with the Cloud/Evo. I'm also really warming up to bags, and especially for concentrates with the pads. I don't have any luck using the HT or whip for concentrates...it's like the fan is needed for a period of time to get it all going.
I look forward to more testing and experimenting......I love these toys!
I look forward to more testing and experimenting......I love these toys!
letter never sent
reckoner
Did they fix the squeeze valves yet?
Engineer
Well-Known Member
Dear FC’rs,
This is Josh, founder of the Herbalizer. Some of you know me, most know of me. For reasons of legal concerns I’ve remained muted, until now. You may find my January 2012 post of thread titled Thoughts On The State Of The Vaporizer Industry interesting. I think I’ve succeeded, what do you think?
I have been silently observing for longer than most of you have been on this forum. Listening, indirectly interacting, taking your advice.. and building. Many of you suspect as much, and I am here to confirm for you that FuckCombustion has had HUGE influence over the creation of the Herbalizer. In many ways, you created it.
My position with Herbalizer changed – I had a disagreement over the strategic direction of the company and the product roadmap, and so now I am a free agent.
And so now I welcome, even invite, questions you may have. Your questions will be answered wholly and truthfully to the best of my ability. Have you questions about the vaporization technology? Questions about the science and theory of cannabinoid extraction and vaporization? Anything..
You have been paying attention to this thread for a reason; and you understand there is something different here. And this is only the beginning of what is to come.
- Josh, founder of The Herbalizer.
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This is Josh, founder of the Herbalizer. Some of you know me, most know of me. For reasons of legal concerns I’ve remained muted, until now. You may find my January 2012 post of thread titled Thoughts On The State Of The Vaporizer Industry interesting. I think I’ve succeeded, what do you think?
I have been silently observing for longer than most of you have been on this forum. Listening, indirectly interacting, taking your advice.. and building. Many of you suspect as much, and I am here to confirm for you that FuckCombustion has had HUGE influence over the creation of the Herbalizer. In many ways, you created it.
My position with Herbalizer changed – I had a disagreement over the strategic direction of the company and the product roadmap, and so now I am a free agent.
And so now I welcome, even invite, questions you may have. Your questions will be answered wholly and truthfully to the best of my ability. Have you questions about the vaporization technology? Questions about the science and theory of cannabinoid extraction and vaporization? Anything..
You have been paying attention to this thread for a reason; and you understand there is something different here. And this is only the beginning of what is to come.
- Josh, founder of The Herbalizer.
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Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
My sentiments as well. I really do love my Herbie, and am grateful you helped develop it!
Been Vapin
Fringe Class
I am not sure they made any changes yet, probably no.
grokit
well-worn member
Sounds juicy, I got all day
Engineer
Well-Known Member
You are welcome kind sir! Hmmm... develop another device. I've got some fresh ideas brewing. Herbie 1.0 is only the beginning.
Ahh, people always want a story about a train wreck (which for those who remember, that story was 100% true). For now, I will leave it at this: I wanted to pursue a low-cost stripped down Herbie and my partners felt differently. I'm a creator at heart not in it just for the money. Nuff said.Sounds juicy, I got all day
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lazylathe
Almost there...
All i can say is Thank You Josh!!
I was one of the first 50 to receive my precious Herbie and I have never regretted the purchase!!
It is my 100% go to vape and i LOVE IT!!!
I wish you all the best for your future endeavours and hope that we may sway you once again with our influences!!
Now onto some real questions!!!
1- The smell you get when the fan is on at full temp. Is that just dry hot air we smell?
I know a few have commented on this smell.
2- Some members have noted a smell in their whips, kind of a tangy, sweet smell/taste.
Any idea what this may be? Seems to go away after a long ISO soak.
3- Was there a technical reason a latching lid mechanism was not incorporated into the design?
The slightly flimsy lid is my only niggle about Herbie and 99,9% of the time i never think about it!
Noticed some are removing the top section entirely.
4- Can you name some of your favourite vaporizers that may have had some influence in Herbies design?
5- Will there ever be a stripped down, portable Herbie??
Mrmrmrmr
Well-Known Member
Engineer
Well-Known Member
@lazylathe, good questions. And thanks for the props.
1- The smell you get when the fan is on at full temp. Is that just dry hot air we smell?
I know a few have commented on this smell.
>>> (should be) Just hot dry air. The air pathways is what it is claimed, inert. The halogen lamp has a quartz body, and is surrounded by anodized aluminum (a process that essentially converts the surface from aluminum into ceramic). There are two pieces of stainless steel, a small silicone plug and the thermal sensor and a couple dots of high-temp epoxy - all of the components are rated above intended operational temperature.
That being said, you have one of the first 50... and I can remember building those a few days before Christmas. There was a lot of pressure, and the calibration and installation technique was not as tight as it is today. If yours is running hot then perhaps something is outgassing - you'll know if its running hot because your herb will become blackened. Black = burned, and that shouldn't happen. Maybe that smell is nose hairs?
2- Some members have noted a smell in their whips, kind of a tangy, sweet smell/taste.
Any idea what this may be? Seems to go away after a long ISO soak.
>>> That's probably from the DeFunk essential oil that's living in the mezz. Essential oil is incredibly strong and volatile. If that bottle isn't really tight, or has even a little spillage on its side, then its scent will permeate the whip. Best not to store the essential oil in the mezz.
3- Was there a technical reason a latching lid mechanism was not incorporated into the design?
The slightly flimsy lid is my only niggle about Herbie and 99,9% of the time i never think about it!
Noticed some are removing the top section entirely.
>>> Honestly, I am SO happy that this is the main complaint! I couldn't have asked for a better one I like it because a) I totally agree and at one time there was a magnetic lid closure designed in, and b) it really isn't that big of a deal (in my opinion). The alpha prototype ("Alphalizer") had a magnet lid closure, where one side of the magnet was in place of the front white vent, and the other behind the lid vent. It was a nifty feature and worked well.
The Alphalizer had a major drawback though - vaportherapy and aromatherapy both used the bowl and the same air pathway, there was no separation - so you would always be mixing herbs and essential oils in the bowl. The cross contamination issue became an obvious flaw pretty quickly, yet the design was mostly complete and the startup funds running out. So Herbie needed a design change or to have aromatherapy scrapped all together (I know I know, so many people would be missing it). So Herbie was retrofitted, and the decision was made to sacrifice the magnetic lid closure for the aromatherapy function.
Man, it sure feels good to get that off my chest
4- Can you name some of your favourite vaporizers that may have had some influence in Herbies design?
>>> Nope. There wasn't one. I started designing the core of the system without ever having purchased or tried another vape (I had however read a lot of reviews on FC). This is how you get a quantum leap break-through - by stating your goals and searching for the optimal solution, without relying upon anything existing to give you the starting point.
5- Will there ever be a stripped down, portable Herbie??
>>> Possibly. But what exactly do you mean by that?
>>> Off to the float tank. Back later.
1- The smell you get when the fan is on at full temp. Is that just dry hot air we smell?
I know a few have commented on this smell.
>>> (should be) Just hot dry air. The air pathways is what it is claimed, inert. The halogen lamp has a quartz body, and is surrounded by anodized aluminum (a process that essentially converts the surface from aluminum into ceramic). There are two pieces of stainless steel, a small silicone plug and the thermal sensor and a couple dots of high-temp epoxy - all of the components are rated above intended operational temperature.
That being said, you have one of the first 50... and I can remember building those a few days before Christmas. There was a lot of pressure, and the calibration and installation technique was not as tight as it is today. If yours is running hot then perhaps something is outgassing - you'll know if its running hot because your herb will become blackened. Black = burned, and that shouldn't happen. Maybe that smell is nose hairs?
2- Some members have noted a smell in their whips, kind of a tangy, sweet smell/taste.
Any idea what this may be? Seems to go away after a long ISO soak.
>>> That's probably from the DeFunk essential oil that's living in the mezz. Essential oil is incredibly strong and volatile. If that bottle isn't really tight, or has even a little spillage on its side, then its scent will permeate the whip. Best not to store the essential oil in the mezz.
3- Was there a technical reason a latching lid mechanism was not incorporated into the design?
The slightly flimsy lid is my only niggle about Herbie and 99,9% of the time i never think about it!
Noticed some are removing the top section entirely.
>>> Honestly, I am SO happy that this is the main complaint! I couldn't have asked for a better one
I like it because a) I totally agree and at one time there was a magnetic lid closure designed in, and b) it really isn't that big of a deal (in my opinion). The alpha prototype ("Alphalizer") had a magnet lid closure, where one side of the magnet was in place of the front white vent, and the other behind the lid vent. It was a nifty feature and worked well.The Alphalizer had a major drawback though - vaportherapy and aromatherapy both used the bowl and the same air pathway, there was no separation - so you would always be mixing herbs and essential oils in the bowl. The cross contamination issue became an obvious flaw pretty quickly, yet the design was mostly complete and the startup funds running out. So Herbie needed a design change or to have aromatherapy scrapped all together (I know I know, so many people would be missing it). So Herbie was retrofitted, and the decision was made to sacrifice the magnetic lid closure for the aromatherapy function.
Man, it sure feels good to get that off my chest
4- Can you name some of your favourite vaporizers that may have had some influence in Herbies design?
>>> Nope. There wasn't one. I started designing the core of the system without ever having purchased or tried another vape (I had however read a lot of reviews on FC). This is how you get a quantum leap break-through - by stating your goals and searching for the optimal solution, without relying upon anything existing to give you the starting point.
5- Will there ever be a stripped down, portable Herbie??
>>> Possibly. But what exactly do you mean by that?
>>> Off to the float tank. Back later.
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How about a handheld herbie/thermovape combo withe the same type bowl just smaller and sleeker with ac power and portable also. Temp button fan button digi read out wand like ergo! Hey a guy can dream!
Vapodudule
Well-Known Member
Very touched by your intervention Josh/ @Engineer , glad you can talk freely here now.
I enjoy herbie LE/1.0 as a daily driver for months now, he managed to equal nano on the vape station. By its ease and preciseness he even won the 1st place.
What about the bag blowing problem, does the fans lack a bit of power (high flowing pressure)?
I enjoy herbie LE/1.0 as a daily driver for months now, he managed to equal nano on the vape station. By its ease and preciseness he even won the 1st place.
What about the bag blowing problem, does the fans lack a bit of power (high flowing pressure)?
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
Wow, what a treat - huge welcome and props to @Engineer for not only helping to design what I think is the best vaporizer on the market, but also to grace us with his presence and knowledge. We are very, very appreciative that you are now a regular part of this thread! I was SO excited reading through the last page of posts from my mobile at work, but now i'm able to contribute and ask some of my own questions (@lazylathe stole them all) 
I think what @lazylathe meant by his last question was, will there be a more affordable, stripped down, sleeker smaller Herbie down the road? Unless i'm mistaken, and he's inquiring about a battery operated portable or similar? I assume Josh, that you have a greater plan ahead of you? I also assume, that Herbalizer will be biz as usual, and nothing else is really affected?
The reason i'm asking about the sleeker cheaper alternative is that i'm a huge fan of simplicity and minimalism. I choose quality over quantity every time, and i've already made some cost cutting modifications to my unit. These are just my own personal opinions/observations: I took the lid mechanism right off....I have zero use for it, and opening/closing became pointless so I removed the entire lid/mezz. I still don't understand how proprietary the mezz is, meaning you must only fit that tiny bottle of defunk, and IMO it seemed like something quickly thrown together...I would have much preferred the latch and no aromatherapy.. why even include that option? Am I doing something wrong? With defunk, or any of my 2 dozen aromatherapy oils, I literally have to be smelling right above the unit to get any effect, unless that's the point. Regardless, I could very easily live without it...my E-Nano does a much better job at diffusing with a tiny bit of water in a glass aromatherapy cup.
Even with what was mentioned in the airpath, the taste of this vape is awesome! The odour that was coming from the heater port is pretty much gone, or at least just smells like "hot" now. Great explanation for the tubing smell/taste! I had no idea! I actually love using the whip now that it doesn't have its own taste. Do you recommend any other tubing other than the stock white silicon? Are the easy valves replaceable, if so do you have any recommendations to purchase bags to use with the existing valves?
I don't have issues with leaking bags....I find the fan works awesome and a bag is filled in a half minute. I actually love using the fan, and I think it's the best way to get the most out of the load.
Is the buzzing noise anything to be concerned about when the unit is plugged into a/c power and yet not powered on? I assume this is a normal sound from transformer?
Thanks again Josh! I feel so fortunate to be a part of the limited edition Herbie family! I have NEVER EVER experienced such smooth and comfortable vapour even at higher temps. Thanks for changing the game!
PS. What's with this easter egg thing I keep reading about? lol Is it the screen saver that pops up after being on for a while?
Like you, I love my E-Nano....the thing is bombproof and can have more intense flavour than the Herbie. For some reason though, I keep using the Herbie over Nano, but maybe it's due to the honeymoon period, but there will always be room in my arsenal for the Nano. Or maybe it's just because the Herbie is so dang awesome.
Edit: Just wanted to add, that it is a very weird feeling not having VAS anymore! I'm done (until the Grasshopper hehe).
I think what @lazylathe meant by his last question was, will there be a more affordable, stripped down, sleeker smaller Herbie down the road? Unless i'm mistaken, and he's inquiring about a battery operated portable or similar? I assume Josh, that you have a greater plan ahead of you? I also assume, that Herbalizer will be biz as usual, and nothing else is really affected?
The reason i'm asking about the sleeker cheaper alternative is that i'm a huge fan of simplicity and minimalism. I choose quality over quantity every time, and i've already made some cost cutting modifications to my unit. These are just my own personal opinions/observations: I took the lid mechanism right off....I have zero use for it, and opening/closing became pointless so I removed the entire lid/mezz. I still don't understand how proprietary the mezz is, meaning you must only fit that tiny bottle of defunk, and IMO it seemed like something quickly thrown together...I would have much preferred the latch and no aromatherapy.. why even include that option? Am I doing something wrong? With defunk, or any of my 2 dozen aromatherapy oils, I literally have to be smelling right above the unit to get any effect, unless that's the point. Regardless, I could very easily live without it...my E-Nano does a much better job at diffusing with a tiny bit of water in a glass aromatherapy cup.
Even with what was mentioned in the airpath, the taste of this vape is awesome! The odour that was coming from the heater port is pretty much gone, or at least just smells like "hot" now. Great explanation for the tubing smell/taste! I had no idea! I actually love using the whip now that it doesn't have its own taste. Do you recommend any other tubing other than the stock white silicon? Are the easy valves replaceable, if so do you have any recommendations to purchase bags to use with the existing valves?
I don't have issues with leaking bags....I find the fan works awesome and a bag is filled in a half minute. I actually love using the fan, and I think it's the best way to get the most out of the load.
Is the buzzing noise anything to be concerned about when the unit is plugged into a/c power and yet not powered on? I assume this is a normal sound from transformer?
Thanks again Josh! I feel so fortunate to be a part of the limited edition Herbie family! I have NEVER EVER experienced such smooth and comfortable vapour even at higher temps. Thanks for changing the game!
PS. What's with this easter egg thing I keep reading about? lol Is it the screen saver that pops up after being on for a while?
Like you, I love my E-Nano....the thing is bombproof and can have more intense flavour than the Herbie. For some reason though, I keep using the Herbie over Nano, but maybe it's due to the honeymoon period, but there will always be room in my arsenal for the Nano. Or maybe it's just because the Herbie is so dang awesome.
Edit: Just wanted to add, that it is a very weird feeling not having VAS anymore! I'm done (until the Grasshopper hehe).
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Engineer
Well-Known Member
While I'm not opposed to glass, I don't see the benefit of it compared to other materials, except possibly for the aesthetic. If the materials are inert and do not outgass (e.g. glass, ceramic, stainless steel, anodized Al, etc.), then they physically cannot impart flavor.
There should not be a bag blowing problem, the fan is quite powerful. If you're having issues then the bowl is too packed, the bowl screen is clogged, or the bag is worn out and sticky or twisted up. Usually its a clogged screen - it won't look clogged to the naked eye. To test, use an unpacked bowl with the screens removed and fill an empty bag. It should take 35-45 seconds. A loaded bowl filled loosely (not packed), clean screens, etc., should still not take more than 45 seconds to fill a bag.
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The benefit to a designer is that a substantial number of vapourizer users disagree with you and feel that glass is superior.