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Custom Flower Hardware

Custom Flower Hardware

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Zenpen said:
I'm afraid you're mistaken, we simply stated that we would try to satisfy demands for videos and reviews. I can tell you right now, it is unlikely that you will see a review before we deliver on the indiegogo orders. We will most likely make additional videos.

Thank you everyone for your input on the new video! Only three days left!
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/grasshopper-vaporizer/x/5419428
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Thank you Grasshopper.:tup: This video confirmed my initial thoughts after seeing the first videos. This is a kick-ass, sleek, high-performance portable convection vape. Those clouds and technique (pretty good for a first time vaper;)) were reminiscent of those that were seen in the first Cera videos from Noah. The temp here again is 360. Imagine this at the 390-400 range.:rockon:With my Cera I can get clouds of all shapes and sizes because the convection aspect gives you, the user, control opposed to the conduction, hit it before its cooked up, aspect.:shrug: (IMO) It didn't seem to make the user flinch even slightly while loading/unloading/holding, which if you touch a Cera in the "hot spot" you'll do more then flinch;) so Bravo insulation. I have to also touch on the stealth aspect again:clap:C'mon people it looks like a flippin pen! Anyway that all being said, I can't wait to get a chance to try it! :D
 
stickstones

stickstones

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that video was impressive to me. During his first session I was concerned because he was taking very long slow draws, which indicates a heater that is easily overwhelmed. But those second and third sessions were short draws with good vapor production...and at a temp I don't even use, as I start at around 190C. It looks good so far, but do we still not know what the expected retail price is?
 
jdee

jdee

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How does it work to donate to the stretch goals since they aren't one of the available purchase options. Do you just add the correct amount in your head and donate that much hoping someone on the other end knows what it's for?
 
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paytonpenn

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jdee said:
How does it work to donate to the stretch goals since they aren't one of the available purchase options. Do you just add the correct amount in your head and donate that much hoping someone on the other end knows what it's for?
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You can purchase accessories listed below by adding the additional cost to your contribution amount, or by contributing again if you've already paid.

Send a quick email to custom@grasshoppervape.com to let us know what options you've added.
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Yeah, pretty much add the amount for the for what you want, email the email above and simply put something like "46 dollars, upgrade to Colored Pen" or "25 dollars, SS Case"

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I mentioned a system called backerkit to them, hopefully they utilize it or something similar for when we do actually choose our products and accessories.
 
jdee

jdee

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Thanks!

Noticed the oils front end shipping at a later date. Was it ever specified who will be eating the shipping cost for the 2nd shipment (are we expected to pay shipping twice, or did zenpen say it was covered) ?
 
2clicker

2clicker

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ShayWhiteGrow said:
I have to also touch on the stealth aspect again:clap:C'mon people it looks like a flippin pen! Anyway that all being said, I can't wait to get a chance to try it! :D
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good point but if your flowers are super stinky like mine are, then stealth goes out the window at that point. sure people may think its a pen when not in use, but as soon as you fire it up, draw on it (who sucks on pens like that?), and blow a smelly cloud out everyone in odor range will know whats up.

when not in use it is way stealth though.

the ultimate in stealth medicating is oil prepared correctly, liquidized, and used in a reg ol ecig. no odor at all.
 
invertedisdead

invertedisdead

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2clicker said:
good point but if your flowers are super stinky like mine are, then stealth goes out the window at that point. sure people may think its a pen when not in use, but as soon as you fire it up, draw on it (who sucks on pens like that?), and blow a smelly cloud out everyone in odor range will know whats up.

when not in use it is way stealth though.

the ultimate in stealth medicating is oil prepared correctly, liquidized, and used in a reg ol ecig. no odor at all.
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I have to say I agree. I guess everyone has different considerations for a "portable vape" but for me, something I can take snowboarding or to the beach ticks my boxes, but might not necessarily be something I would hit in the movie theater. Maybe in my car before the movie.

I have an Organa Labs O-Pen that uses C02 carts available from dispensary's and it's the stealthiest vape I have used thus far, and I HAVE hit that in a movie theater. It's the size of a pencil, with virtually no odor, even on exhale (I think this is because of the C02 oil?) and the cart holds a gram of oil so I never have to reload for a week! IMO, no matter the SIZE of a vape, the frequency of stirring or reloading is every bit as much a determining factor of a true "portable" vaporizer. I would also say the potency of concentrates makes it easier for public situations as I definitely tip my hat in less draws compared to flower, so it feels a bit more discrete.

This is more of a generalization, as I have no clue how stealthy the Grasshopper will be without it's case; however if the case is small enough, storing in there doesn't really bother me. I don't really have a problem vaping in my car though either, but I understand not everyone can wait for that opportunity depending on you medical conditions.
 
Custom Flower Hardware

Custom Flower Hardware

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2clicker said:
good point but if your flowers are super stinky like mine are, then stealth goes out the window at that point. sure people may think its a pen when not in use, but as soon as you fire it up, draw on it (who sucks on pens like that?), and blow a smelly cloud out everyone in odor range will know whats up.

when not in use it is way stealth though.

the ultimate in stealth medicating is oil prepared correctly, liquidized, and used in a reg ol ecig. no odor at all.
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O yea. They smell wonderful! :ko: Stealth to me is a vape I can throw in a case and conceal in my pocket easily. The GH coupled with the smell proof case (which cant be too much bigger then the pen itself) I think will even have the pax beat. My experience with my Cera is that after a good tissue wipe on the bowl and mouthpiece while its still hot after a session pretty much takes care of the smell. The pax on the other hand definitely needs a case to conceal odor.
 
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harley

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The Firefly is stated to have a heating element that achieves as high as 40W, and for that they have massive insulation and it still gets warm to the touch. Additionally, their state-of-the-art battery gets drained pretty well by that. They did it anyway, to achieve the glorious clouds.

How will the GH live up to its makers' claims of 30W without anywhere near as much insulation? Defying physics? Both companies had access to NASA materials, so I don't think they can claim they have something no one else has.

Additionally, how is the GH's magical $5 battery going to put out that kind of power, let alone last for the ridiculous periods of time they claim? Not possible.

To me, a best case scenario for the GH is that it is a reasonable pen vape, outperforming some of the existing ones, but not breaking the ground they claim it will break. You get what you pay for, folks.

Crohnie said:
Encouraging video. Keep in mind that was at 360F. Lighting conditions weren't ideal for seeing vapor production either. Others experience/vapes may differ, but I don't get huge clouds from any of my vapes at 360F. Would be interesting to see 380-390F.
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I think that they showed it at a low temperature because they can't show that sustained of a vape session at the higher temperatures. That battery ain't gonna cut it. One or two clouds tops.
 
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jdee

jdee

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harley said:
Additionally, how is the GH's magical $5 battery going to put out that kind of power, let alone last for the ridiculous periods of time they claim? Not possible.
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I'm also trying to figure out how this is even possible... because even with an 18650 @ 3400mah (way bigger than the $5 zenpen battery which is more like a 14500 size battery @ 700mah) assuming output voltage of 3.7v, the 30watts would mean 8 amps, or if they're stacked batteries at 7.4v then 4amps. Looking into battery runtime charts, and knowing that a battery discharged below 3.2v needs to recharged (not drained to empty, effectively killing the battery prematurely), you can see that there is no such thing as a battery of that size, offering that much power, for that long. I'm curious for the people who believe that this unproven company has indeed revolutionized battery technology, what evidence do you have to support this?

Something that would change my mind is seeing a video of the grasshopper in a clamping device to make it always on, set a timer for 2 hours and 55 minutes, when it beeps, load a bowl, and blow clouds, all in one take.
 
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harley

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jdee said:
I'm also trying to figure out how this is even possible... because even with an 18650 @ 3400mah (way bigger than the $5 zenpen battery which is more like a 14500 size battery @ 700mah) assuming output voltage of 3.7v, the 30watts would mean 8 amps, or if they're stacked batteries at 7.4v then 4amps. Looking into battery runtime charts, and knowing that a battery discharged below 3.2v needs to recharged (not drained to empty, effectively killing the battery prematurely), you can see that there is no such thing as a battery of that size, offering that much power, for that long. I'm curious for the people who believe that this unproven company has indeed revolutionized battery technology, what evidence do you have to support this?
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That's what bugs me. Take away the claims that seem impossible, and they should still have a nice vape pen on their hands. Why do they feel the need to make them, then? Is it because they don't feel their product differentiates itself from the crowd otherwise? At the price they are asking, even if it performs like a typical vape pen, they should have a lot of interest based on form factor alone.
 
norealmonsters

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jdee said:
I'm also trying to figure out how this is even possible... because even with an 18650 @ 3400mah (way bigger than the $5 zenpen battery which is more like a 14500 size battery @ 700mah) assuming output voltage of 3.7v, the 30watts would mean 8 amps, or if they're stacked batteries at 7.4v then 4amps. Looking into battery runtime charts, and knowing that a battery discharged below 3.2v needs to recharged (not drained to empty, effectively killing the battery prematurely), you can see that there is no such thing as a battery of that size, offering that much power, for that long. I'm curious for the people who believe that this unproven company has indeed revolutionized battery technology, what evidence do you have to support this?
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They have stated that the heater activates "on demand". You're looking at the wrong question; It's not "How did they make a super powered magic battery?" it's "How do they use existing power more efficiently?".
 
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harley

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norealmonsters said:
They have stated that the heater activates "on demand". You're looking at the wrong question; It's not "How did they make a super powered magic battery?" it's "How do they use existing power more efficiently?".
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When it comes to heating, energy usage is pretty straightforward. At the maximum stated level of power demand (30W), there really isn't a way to "use power more efficiently". It's on, or it's off. Consider the Firefly, another "on-demand" heated unit in a similar high wattage range. They have a much bigger battery, with a much shorter life between charges, and much more insulation (yet it still gets warm even with all that metal). The FF's designers both had access to extreme high tech for design and also clearly did not skimp on the build. Their unit is real world at this point, and to my mind, effectively disproves the claims of the GH people.

1) If the GH carries a similar heating load as the FF, then it cannot do so with a dramatically smaller battery.

2) Even if it could, it could not do it with much longer battery life than the FF

3) And while there is likely no material in the world that would keep the body of the pen from getting warm, there is absolutely none that could do it for their price point.

My gut is telling me, and this is reinforced by the videos so far, that it will be a really short battery life at high power levels.
 
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luckypucky

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I will be Waiting for Feb patiently.. I'm hoping it really is what it claims to be! I'm intrigued about how the magnetic ring charger works as well as other elements. Opted for the stainless steel smell proof case/extra battery and the color dark grey to be stealthy..

Like the MFLB they sold me on the lifetime warranty claim.. So when we get betas in feb.. We will see how good they are, and how many get sent back/issues if any

I'm excited!!
 
BLAZING OG

BLAZING OG

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Zenpen said:
I'm afraid you're mistaken, we simply stated that we would try to satisfy demands for videos and reviews. I can tell you right now, it is unlikely that you will see a review before we deliver on the indiegogo orders. We will most likely make additional videos.

Thank you everyone for your input on the new video! Only three days left!
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/grasshopper-vaporizer/x/5419428
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Congrats @Zenpen
I jumped on board finally and made my contribution!!!!!

The video looks great ,especially at 360!!!
Now expect the next wave of demands , the the grasshopper has to be a pocketable cloud!!!:lmao::rofl::lmao:

:shrug::doh::doh::shrug::shrug::doh::doh::horse:
 
lwien

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BLAZING OG said:
Now expect the next wave of demands , the the grasshopper has to be a pocketable cloud!!!:lmao::rofl::lmao:

:shrug::doh::doh::shrug::shrug::doh::doh::horse:
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Lots of smilies there and on this note, I got a comment. It seems that for the most part, those that have made a contribution feel the need to be condescending to those who are debating and questioning the efficacy of the GH. Why do you do that? Why not just enter into the discussion without trying to invalidate the concern of others. You made the decision to contribute. Others are a bit more skeptical. The way I see it, there's no need to cop this condescending attitude with those whom you disagree with, eh?

While I don't think that anyone thinks its going to be a pocketable Cloud, most of the expectations have been set by the manufacturers themselves, eh?
 
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