Great info.. The question I still have is, what is the recommended whip or tubing to use with the SSV ground wand. I have been using the DDave F/F adapter with great results. I wanted to add the SSV wand, but now I realize I will also need the tubing and mouthpiece. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Hey OBG, Thanks for the kind words.
Will keep this updated as new info becomes available.Hi icemeltman,
If I remove the elbow from the arizer tubing, I can insert the tubing inside the ssv glass wand. Would this be satisfactory?
Thanks OBG!
icemeltman, I ran mine this way for quite some time. Works fine, just not as flexable as the silicon.
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For those thinking about getting the SSV tubing, I noticed that all tubing on the SSV site is buy one get one free for Black Friday. iirc, the deal lasts through the weekend. I picked up 2x10' foot ropes of it myself. What is the SSV tubing made from then? Everyone here says it's better in multiple ways as compared to the EQ stock tubing. I just noticed my stock EQ tubing says "70 F" on it. I hope that doesn't mean it's only rated up to 70 degrees Fahrenheit. That would explain the horrible taste.
Hi OBG, absolutely, the SSV tubing would be far more desirable than the stock Arizer tubing. When I ordered, wasn't sure any of the mods would work, so didn't order the entire SSV whip, only the wand itself. Thanks for providing the link to the tubing!
I'm still relatively new to vaping so there are plenty of things I'm still pondering. One of these things is the harshness of vapor, the way it can irritate your throat. Obviously I see that many, if not most of the folks here use water/glass to help reduce the heat & irritation.I need to do a mea culpa here.
The NSF 51 standard essentially describes criteria a commercial/industrial material must conform to if it comes into contact with a material intended to be ingested. For tubing specifically, typical examples are food/water/medicine/chemical transport and storage and delivery, air conditioning/furnace drainage, laboratory and medical activities, bottling, and many more.
When I investigated a replacement for the Arizer PVC a few years ago, I looked at other choices as sold by McMaster-Carr, US Plastics, Amazon, etc. and found that all had a temp tolerance up to 500F. To be perfectly honest, I don't recall how the Klearon K010 got lumped in with these. Materials conforming to NSF 51 can acceptably vary in tolerances, depending on the material and its application. When looking again today for the Klearon spec, the only K010 I could find is Series 73. I don't know if that is exactly the same that was used when I bought the Q or if this is what Arizer currently uses. However, what is certain is that at least the Series 63 K010 temp tolerance is 150F, which is obviously far lower than 500F. I have to presume that I erred somewhere.
But before panic sets in, a couple of things to keep in mind: First, the temp at the tubing is significantly lower than the Q's heater setting. The second is that a material softening or even breaking down does not automatically translate into "leeching"; while it may not be suitable for its intended use any longer, it's not necessary harmful.
So for perspective I set up a test using my IR gun, with the Q set to 500F for 1 hour followed by Fan 3 running for ~20 minutes. At that point I took these readings:
Heater exterior = 300-425F (a wide range depending on where the beam is pointed, with the 425F looking down the center airway opening)
Cyclone bowl = ~350F
Glass elbow = ~220F
Elbow glass connector with PVC fully attached = ~170F
Tubing 1-2" from connector = ~130F
Tubing 6" from connector = ~100F
Tubing 12" from connector = ambient (so vapor entering the bag will drop to ambient very quickly)
While the tubing was still within spec, it did soften considerably just after the connector although it still maintained shape. I was surprised at how fast the heat dissipates. In any event, even sustained at full throttle, the tubing never reached its upper heat tolerance.
I also took the readings without the fan running: The whip did not rise above ambient.
Bottom line: The stock PVC works OK and is safe, but NSF 51 silicone is vastly superior (and costs more, too).
Hopefully the above is satisfactory penance for my error.
Depends on the delivery and thrmal mass of the vape. Hard pulls on convection vapes need lots of cooling. A super short whip or just a glass mouthpiece will not make it.
The smoke has to travel through all the herbs before its gets into you. The herb filling acts as a good heat filter being more effective than half metre of hollow tubing. The huge surface area of the smoke-path in a cigarrete/joint makes it a powerful passive cooling devide.
Good point! I recall more coughing fits when finishing up a joint than at the start.
Hey bench88,
SavageCore, I've tested both the original Cyclone and 18f/18f adapters with the SSV Wand. There is a definite performance increase with the shorter adapter. A side-by-side picture is at the top of this post:
