The ethnobotanical thread

[CuckFumbustion]

If you cave, I would at least try cutting it fine and be ready for some possible water to be released as a result. Or just a small amount since you have two stalks already. Good luck.
I would find it hard to resist too. Already, know how good it is. EUREKA! Oh the scissors and shotglass trick! Plus I can set the cyclone and wand on top of my glass 'space needle' and not contaminate my setup. Since the heat has to travel, I won't even bother lowering my temp. No brainer.

 

[kellya86]

Right so it's harsh and horrible this wet, as expected, similar to vaping freshly picked cannabis in the harshness and excess moisture taste. I don't think anything can be vaped fresh....

I will let it dry a bit. And retry every day until I figure out the best moisture content for vaping lemongrass. But it definately needs to be drier than this....

 

[CuckFumbustion]

I remembered the shot glass and scissors trick, But I used my potpourri bowl as the shot glass. The finer bits fall through the hole as expected. So I could collect that as the finer materials for an elbow pack If I choose. This will come in handy when I want to break down other oddly textured or shaped materials.

Kind of figured you'd run into that, @kellya86. Did you get anything out of it? Perhaps if you want, you can slow dry a small amount of lemongrass in one of the EQ's at 50c? Then properly cure what else you have.

I've thought about drying food for backpacking and have seen 18mm platter looking glassware and other things to give me ideas.
I should be an herbalist with the amount of natural plants growing natively in my area. Dry, harvest and vape what I find legitimately. Just never got that familiar with the subject before. I already can talk to some locals who are already harvesting local plants for food, health and medicine.

Always read about scientist reaching out to shamans and tribal medical doctors trying to recover this lost knowledge for some of these soon to be extinct plants.
Found that subject fascinating. Well I plan on talking to my local shamans and tribal elders for advice.

 

[kellya86]

Much more pleasant today, a nice lemony vape...
I will now experiment with blends...

Is it possible to make bho from the lemon grass..??? I do like making bho

 

[CuckFumbustion]

Not entirely sure about BHO. Quite probable. It sure is possible to make essential oil. Several youtube videos on the subject. And they do sell essential oils commercially.
It has several uses including mosquito repellent. So there is plenty of sources and info for that particular plant. One person on Esty even has a homemade soap.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/255864729/vanilla-lemongrass-organic-hemp-and-cbd

 

[CuckFumbustion]

Much more pleasant today, a nice lemony vape...

Since it has had more time to dry, are you getting a little something-something when you vape the lemongrass? I'm curious.

I remembered the shot glass and scissors trick, But I used my potpourri bowl as the shot glass. The finer bits fall through the hole as expected. So I could collect that as the finer materials for an elbow pack If I choose. This will come in handy when I want to break down other oddly textured or shaped materials.

Mentioned it a little more on the EQ thread. It works great for getting finer bits of dried lemongrass. Which has caused me to resurrect my Flowermate 1.0 and add a glass mouthpiece arrangement. The another thing with dried lemongrass is it doesn't cut/connect well with a blade as well. So the scissors method is great for that and I presume several other odd shaped, textured plant matter.

 

[Copacetic]

Much more pleasant today, a nice lemony vape...
I will now experiment with blends...

Is it possible to make bho from the lemon grass..??? I do like making bho

How about a rosin squish?
Ive often considered (once I get a setup in place!) squishing all sorts of sun-dried, or other mostly dehydrated fruit or vegetable matter just to see what comes out!

I doubt it'd be safe to vape undiluted, but maybe the results could be used in very small amounts to flavour BHO or THC e-juice?
Or just aromatherapy.
(I'm most keen to try dehydrated strawberries myself)

I have some dried lemongrass, but it's too dry and 'woody' to vape effectively.
You do get a slight flavour when slightly rehydrated and ground, but it's so tough that it's a bitch to grind.
Hops from the home-brew shop were more effective (but the pre-vape smell of the hop variety I had-target- was quite unpleasant, vape wasn't so bad though)
When I eventually get more, I plan to get undried or fresh plant and chop/dry it myself.

 

[CuckFumbustion]

How about a rosin squish?
Ive often considered (once I get a setup in place!) squishing all sorts of sun-dried, or other mostly dehydrated fruit or vegetable matter just to see what comes out!

I doubt it'd be safe to vape undiluted, but maybe the results could be used in very small amounts to flavour BHO or THC e-juice?
Or just aromatherapy.
(I'm most keen to try dehydrated strawberries myself)

I have some dried lemongrass, but it's too dry and 'woody' to vape effectively.
You do get a slight flavour when slightly rehydrated and ground, but it's so tough that it's a bitch to grind.
Hops from the home-brew shop were more effective (but the pre-vape smell of the hop variety I had-target- was quite unpleasant, vape wasn't so bad though)
When I eventually get more, I plan to get undried or fresh plant and chop/dry it myself.

You could make your own fruit roll ups. But definitely a wide subject.

I was successful with the shot glass trick and Dried lemongrass. I can use a grinder for large amounts, Just a small pita to clean with a brush.
The EQ potpourri and the toy scissors allowed me to make elbow packable lemongrass.

 

[kellya86]

I found an acrylic grinder in its side seems to work ok... well enough for an elbow pack.

Not too sure on any effects as I was already under the influence...

 

[shark sandwich]

@Copacetic

I've had success making rosin from both lavender and hops.

Hops must be partially dried to press well, so I use boveda 62 packs to get the moisture level just right.

Lavender presses well when fresh, at least for me. I think it has a naturally lower moisture content.

Both are delicious and enjoyable when dabbed alone or added to other rosin.

The lavender rosin is so potent that all your dabs will taste like it afterwards, so be ready to clean your rig, or have one dedicated to "aromatics".

 

[Copacetic]

@Copacetic

I've had success making rosin from both lavender and hops.

Hops must be partially dried to press well, so I use boveda 62 packs to get the moisture level just right.

Lavender presses well when fresh, at least for me. I think it has a naturally lower moisture content.

Both are delicious and enjoyable when dabbed alone or added to other rosin.

The lavender rosin is so potent that all your dabs will taste like it afterwards, so be ready to clean your rig, or have one dedicated to "aromatics".

Good to know, thanks!

Can I ask if the hops you have smell pleasant?
And if not, does the rosin smell any better?

I ask as my hops were very unpleasant straight out of the vacuum pack, but the vapour tasted better.
Left a nasty smell on my 'test vape' though (crappy Aida which I don't mind contaminating).

I'd life to try lavender rosin, that sounds good.

 

[shark sandwich]

@Copacetic

No problem!

My hops smell great, but they are also home grown!

I use nugget and cascade hops, which are two of the most common varieties. Every variety has its own flavor and aroma, just like cannabis strains. You may have purchased a specific variety that doesn't appeal to you.

Additionally, just like any other plant, hops must be grown and processed with care in order to achieve a high quality and pleasing end product. Rosin reflects its source, and lower quality source material will always produce lower quality rosin.

I find that rosin tastes substantially better than the starting material used to make it. I would describe the smell and taste of my starting material as really good, and the rosin as great. It sounds like your starting material is lacking quality, especially since you describe the smell as "nasty".

Lavender yields better than hops, and I definitely recommend trying it. Use the best quality possible- if you can't get homegrown, try fresh material from a grocery store.

 

[To_thy_cloud]

Does anyone have any information on how to best get rid of the chamomile flavor ? It was a pain to clean but the taste is still lingering in the PAX. I didn't like the flavor that much, it tasted like hot cinnamon.

 

[CuckFumbustion]

Does anyone have any information on how to best get rid of the chamomile flavor ? It was a pain to clean but the taste is still lingering in the PAX. I didn't like the flavor that much, it tasted like hot cinnamon.

You might need to do a thorough cleaning. The oils in the flowers may have formed some residues too. I dip q-tips in ISO and allow for a few seconds to evaporate and then clean out the trench. Maybe toothpicks for the vapor path and tight areas. You might want to get with the PAX forum at FC for other cleaning pointers. There is some bad ways to clean that could cause damage your PAX. So I'd use caution with ISO. I own a PAX myself and can go further into detail if you like also.
If you try chamomile again, try the lowest temp range. Because you want to release the oils to get the effects. As opposed to roasting the flowers. If that helps.

I have had success with my EQ and chamomile and other teas, but that is capable of working as low as 50C. Good luck!

 

[jojo monkey]

@To_thy_cloud
I've had good luck using hydrogen peroxide on things that smell.

 

[draakjeszijnlief]

Today i will receive my order of herbs I ordered hop, chamomile, wild thyme, lemon balm, lemon grass, damiana and lavender. I am really looking forward trying this out

 

[CuckFumbustion]

All locally grown herbs. Dried peppermint. Some other mint blend with apple mint. Lemon Balm. Get to know what can be grown and dried in your area. If you are lucky enough.

I thought Lemongrass oil is dangerous to use in a vaporizer. So I put a few drops in a mix and stirred it and it left open overnight and used it loosely in a Flowermate 1.0. Because I felt the oil needed to have room to work and vaporize and mix with the air well. And I only paid $40 or something for the vape pen or something. Modded the Flowermate with a near 6 inch glass tube and was able to get enough air, heat and draw to kinda stir the vapor. Could get it to taste it as a vapor and not a nasty oil. Which is what most will occur without a method. Glad I never tried it in my EQ. It does produce heavy vapor that goes downward and could damage say the elements.

I will go back to dried lemongrass when it becomes available. Is there a safe way to vaporize oils? Or should I be dissuaded?

 

[draakjeszijnlief]

So I ordered way too much herbs haha, i think i have a life supply lol.
I was wondering if you smoke it pure or if you mix different herbs together?
Do you mix it together with weed? or do you first vape X then Y and Z ?

Is there a safe way to vaporize oils? Or should I be dissuaded?

I have been wondering and trying to research this as well. Personally i have decided not to do it cause i can not find enough proof that it is safe. The biggest concern to me is that i just cant be sure that its ''pure''. A lot of essential oils are not something you would want to ingest and many things called "essential oil" aren't just that. At the other hand, i have a steamer machine for when i have a cold. You stick your head in there and it produces a lot of steam. You can add oils to it. I assume the company researched if that is safe. You are supposed to inhale that steam. The only difference is that with that machine you mix it with water. So its not pure oil.

 

[CuckFumbustion]

So I ordered way too much herbs haha, i think i have a life supply lol.
I was wondering if you smoke it pure or if you mix different herbs together?
Do you mix it together with weed? or do you first vape X then Y and Z ?


I have been wondering and trying to research this as well. Personally i have decided not to do it cause i can not find enough proof that it is safe. The biggest concern to me is that i just cant be sure that its ''pure''. A lot of essential oils are not something you would want to ingest and many things called "essential oil" aren't just that. At the other hand, i have a steamer machine for when i have a cold. You stick your head in there and it produces a lot of steam. You can add oils to it. I assume the company researched if that is safe. You are supposed to inhale that steam. The only difference is that with that machine you mix it with water. So its not pure oil.

Just to clarify, you want to vaporize these at lower temps. Release the oils. Smoking will just make you feel like you got burnt. There has been some discussion about terpenes in things like lemon grass, etc. that might work with doing X then Y or Y with X. But I wouldn't mix the two simply because they work at different temps. One would scorch before the other material barely got warmed up. that kind of problem. I'm guessing the inhalation is different or should be?Anyone want to interject?

That settles it. Guess I'm giving upon oils for vaping. I'm with you now as far as oils having to mix for a longer period with more vapor and the outside air to reconstitute it self in some air form. What I kinda arrived to with what I tried earlier. I do scrutinize and refine what makes an essential oil, and an extract and a tincture. There is some oils available that claim to be 100% extraction. Hmm. Lemongrass in a steamer? I'll ponder that next time I'm congested.

 

[kellya86]

@CuckFumbustion I completely agree that herb and lemongrass work at different temps, and like you say, by the time the herb is at a suitable temp, the lemongrass has already released the best it has....
But vaping lemongrass then vaping flowers, is almost like mixing them, the lemon grass seems to alter your pallet. Bringing out previously unnoticed flavours.

I was thinking about trapping some lemongrass in the FM mouthpiece (between the screen and the 5 holes)
Then loading herb to the oven and vape, maybe this will work, as the correct temp herb vapour will the pass through the lemongrass in the MP, at a lower temp as the herb has conducted the majority of the heat..
Making sense????

I'm trying this later...will report back in 10 hours...

 

[CuckFumbustion]

@CuckFumbustion I completely agree that herb and lemongrass work at different temps, and like you say, by the time the herb is at a suitable temp, the lemongrass has already released the best it has....
But vaping lemongrass then vaping flowers, is almost like mixing them, the lemon grass seems to alter your pallet. Bringing out previously unnoticed flavours.

I was thinking about trapping some lemongrass in the FM mouthpiece (between the screen and the 5 holes)
Then loading herb to the oven and vape, maybe this will work, as the correct temp herb vapour will the pass through the lemongrass in the MP, at a lower temp as the herb has conducted the majority of the heat..
Making sense????

I'm trying this later...will report back in 10 hours...

That might be a hard one to pull off. I would think you would have to have enough warm air at the right concentration for the right duration. It being a woody plant and all. You would be getting an aftertaste, just no vapor. But if you succeed.

It is possible to work with it with convection heat, I've found. I have been successful at having a 14mm short bowl and wand stacked on top of a full short 18mm with say an adapter with success in the EQ. Plus the EQ handles lower temps well of you just go with that. So you could do MJ flowers in the 18mm and lemongrass in the 14mm.
Do you think the inhalation should be as different as well?

My Flowermate one has a 4 inch glass straw attached to it. With the right type of draw. I can actually get clouds with mint! Came up with a way to pack it in the chamber better also. Trying to come up with some safe dry methods to reconstitute lemongrass essential oil for vaping. Flowermate 1.0 has been fully resurrected as the tea master.

Have you been getting your hands on fresh or dry lemongrass lately? I will find out more and share what I know. Really grown to liking it and my local teas. Will find out what more is native and vapable. Want to get some straight apple mint.

Any thoughts about catnip? My ex-neighbor left some in a free pile with some in a vial. He must have been doing more than giving it to his cat. It grows wild here.

 

[kellya86]

I think I would do this after iv already had a session on my FM, so my mp is nice and hot, this should add some much needed convection to the mix...
I'm convinced this will work well...
I will report...

Iv been using dried lemongrass lately, I have to say it vapes better than the fresh that I dried..

Still enjoying vaping teas too..

I get pull 1 ok cloud from my FM loaded with lemongrass...I grind and chop very fine..

As for catnip, think I smoked it once when I was a lad, but have not vaped it...
Thanks for the tip, this is next on my list, now to find some good quality catnip..

 

[draakjeszijnlief]

So i assumed that i should vape dried herbs. But re-reading this, i wonder do you vape non dried lemon grass for example? Or did i miss understand? (sorry English is not my first language)

 

[kellya86]

No sorry if I was unclear...
I vape dry lemon grass, but you can buy it fresh, but then you have to dry it...
Will not vape fresh, too much moisture.

 

[CuckFumbustion]

No sorry if I was unclear...
I vape dry lemon grass, but you can buy it fresh, but then you have to dry it...
Will not vape fresh, too much moisture.

@draakjeszijnlief Your English is probably fine, you probably came in the middle of the conversation.

Long story short. Minus the backstory. Go back at least a few pages on this thread if you would like to get with that and see how that developed.

@kellya86 has been trying to find ANY lemongrass where they are at. Found and bought some fresh home from a market. Tried that - no good. Dried it and I presumed vaped it. Later found a more local source for dried lemongrass.

Now @kellya86 is experimenting with the flowermate glass tip as a heat pass and will report back later.

I'm considering buying the fresh stuff and let it dry. Might be cheaper where I'm at? @kellya86 did you happen to come up with any advance/preferred way of drying the fresh stuff?

My Flowermate 1.0 is starting to pay for itself. Got it for $50 plus a grinder on 4/20 at Puffitup.com. I keep forgetting it has the right form factor like an Arizer air and works great upside down with my water tool.