The ethnobotanical thread

[Ansel]

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[iowcatalyst]

from what I read about lobelia inflata or Indian tobacco it sounds quite habit forming, some people were reporting amphetamine like effects and became addictive if used for to long. I believe Native Americans used to smoke it. Or that is what I was told, I used to work at a botanical gardens which had a medicinal garden filled with plants ranging from slight antiseptics to herbs used in tribal rituals to induce visions like Belladonna and Datura

 

[Ansel]

from what I read about lobelia inflata or Indian tobacco it sounds quite habit forming, some people were reporting amphetamine like effects and became addictive if used for to long. I believe Native Americans used to smoke it. Or that is what I was told, I used to work at a botanical gardens which had a medicinal garden filled with plants ranging from slight antiseptics to herbs used in tribal rituals to induce visions like Belladonna and Datura

i agree with you it sounds addictive but if you like me you are trying to get off nicotine MAYBE it can quell the urge for nicotine... but be less addictive than nicotine.

 

[iowcatalyst]

Just ordered some pink lotus flower and calamus root, anyone tried vaping these? Will report back when I have tried them, I wouldn't mind knowing what to expect effects wise, if any,if anyone knows.

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

vaping roots.. sux IME . Pink Lotus is just delicious if you got a good batch . Even some clouds there.. Well its kinda sexual stimulant and sedative.. for sure some endofin rush there.. Blue Lotus is better IMO ..

 

[iowcatalyst]

I am hoping it is a mix of calamus root and leaves as I have heard the leaves have a very aromatic sweet smell and might taste ok, it certainly looked herby in the picture . They were pretty cheap so I thought it would be worth ago. Will try the blue lotus some when if the pink is any good, I have heard good things about the blue but it was out of stock

 

[iowcatalyst]

I tried the pink Lotus, only had a bowl or 2 , definitely felt something, felt stoned at first then it changed into a weird feeling, similar to doing a very small amount of mushrooms with a stimulant. Almost like a caffeine + ephedrine buzz, wasn't sure if it was placebo but it certainly felt like a chemical effect. Will have to try it again to see whether I actually like that effect.
Anyone tried pineapple sage? When I did horticulture at college that was my favourite smelling herb , for taste purposes I think it would be good in a vaping mix. They also had Salvia Splendens which I used to read trip reports about some years ago, they sounded very promising . I smoked a bit years ago and my memory of it is a very slight ecstasy feeling, music sounded good and had spine tingles. But that could well have been placebo and my memory adding things that weren't there. Would be interested to know if anyone had tried it.

 

[Radio]

Did a small write-up on the remedial effects of vaping ladender over at my 'Guide to Herbs' thread.
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/guide-to-herbs.14182/#post-604711

Herb: Lavender (Lavandula)
Vape Temp: 100°C to 125°C (212°F to 257°F)
Technique: Heat your vape / bowl for a bit at max temperature (260C on my Arizer Extreme Q) and then place the herbs into the bowl and allow them to get nice and heated (Use a bit pinch of the herb. Not too much though so that it will restrict the airflow or overfill the bowl). Drop the temperature of the vape to the recommended 110C and begin gently inhaling. Do so until you are satisfied with the dosage (Roughly 10 minutes of regular use) or crank it up to 150-200 for a short-lived but more intense dose of the lavender. At these higher temperatures, you may find the essential oils of the herb collecting in your throat, and due to the rich amount of oils in this plant is is ideal for producing slightly more visible vapor than your average herb. This level of vapor is still nothing compared to what a cannabis vaper is used to seeing.
Vapor Info: Gets a 2 out of 5 in regards to the amount of visible vapor it produces. The taste and relaxing effects are evident as soon as the herb has heated up and the first hit is taken at anything over 110 degrees (Celcius).
Getting in the higher temps (150C+) produces a more visible vapor which can help gauge how much of it's essential oils and actives you are taking in.
Other techniques: Try filling your vape bowl as much as you are comfortable with (the more the better) and put it on 90 degrees Celsius. Turn it on the first fan setting and aim the whip in the air or in your general direction. It will produce a good 10 minutes of pleasantly scented air flowing your way.
Taste: Strong floral tones to it, and maybe a little bit soapy. It's aroma is what is important though, and the aroma is wonderful.
Remedial medicine value: Assists in the recovery of skin conditions. (Fungal, eczema) but is primarily useful for relaxation and the promotion of sleep. Alleviates stress and anxiety also.
History: It's documented use goes back 2,500 years as an Egyptian perfume. It is also often mentioned in the Bible in relation to purification of the body, and is used today in medicine, clothing and aroma products.
Where to buy it: http://www.australherbs.com.au/shop/category/?search_custom_tsv=lavender
(Buy a 250-500 gram dried bag of the herb. This is an amount that should last 1 year of REGULAR use, and a lifetime of spontaneous / specifically medicinal use during times of great stress / sleeplessness )
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Conclusion: Overall, this herb is great for a quick chillout sesh. I use it when I lie down to sleep but find myself tossing and turning with minor pains or mental worries. It's always worth the effort to get up, turn on the computer and browse FC while I vape a nice big pinch of it and slowly fall into a meditative state of light relaxation. The aroma helps in this department as well, as the natural scent of fresh lavender is known to induce instant tranquility. When dried and heated up to a decent temperature, this can make your whole room smell phenomenal and makes for a very peaceful environment.
10/10 herb! A must for anybody who owns a vape and enjoys their aromatherapy and general relaxation. Please note however that this herb does not SEDATE you as much as 'other' herbs that you are used to vaporizing but it still relaxes you. The known fact that 2 drops of essential lavender oil on the pillow will give you a good sleep is true, but I prefer to vape it before bed to feel its effects immediately.

Enjoy I highly recommend the use of this herb on a daily basis!

 

[Ansel]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khat

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khat

Khat's nice.. MCAT is made from it which is not nice..
Last summer i had prepared myself a soma mix.. which i too on occasion and worked wonders..
Kanna powder 10 g ,Cayene pepper extract 10x 1gm Kava powder extract 10:1 2 g, 20 g .Khata edulis, 10 g powdered blue lotus,10 g Bali Kratom,.. Iused to just put a teaspoon in my juice or smoothie.. anytime it gave me a nice warm buzz with boost of thoughts and vivid dreams afterwards ..
Haven't used khat alone though..

 

[darkdane1125]

Bump! Hey guys, I know I haven't been too active on here, but I've been reading through all the good info on this thread after vaping some chamomile and finally picked up some new herbs to try out!

Ordered from iamshaman and had a great overall experience (although their credit processing said I may be charged an international fee, despite both the company and me being in the states, still not sure about that one).

Blue lilly -dried flowers
Wild Dagga - Lion's tail flowers
Wild lettuce
Hops
Kava root powder
Kratom - Bali powder

Completely new to all of these so I'm still unsure where to start. I don't expect to vape the kratom or kava, but still wanted to try them as tea. From what I've read, it should be quite the experience.

Cheers!

Edit: Seeing as I have the patience of a 3 year-old, I decided to make some of the kratom tea for the afternoon, to be followed later with either hops or blue lilly in the vape. Haven't eaten for a good 4 hours, popped a ginger-capsule to avoid any stomach aches, mixed 2 rounded tsp with about a shot of strawberry lemonade and downed it. Decent flavor and I've heard the lemon helps activate the alkaloids. It's only been maybe 15 minutes and I already feel a nice, warm body buzz. This is pleasant =).

 

[darkdane1125]

I can't edit my last post, but wanted to let everyone know I was not charged any international fees.

Side note, can anyone here shed some light on what to look for in alternatives to bud for vaping? When trying new teas for instance, are there certain compounds to look out for that might indicate similar results? Or are CBD, THC etc. pretty much unique in that regard?

The reason I ask is because I'm incredibly interested in trying new herbs, but don't want to waste time or take any risks. I've been trying to do my own research, but seem to keep hitting research papers behind paywalls. Any alternative sources would be great! I have the urge to discover something new to share!

 

[iowcatalyst]

Just wanted to ask what the best bits of hops are to vaporize, they are starting to bud at work and picked a few buds and some of the new budding bits, that actually look a lot like early flowering cannabis. It's the only plant I have seen to have the white hairs when growing that look just like cannabis [I know it is a close relative]

 

[Reflexion]

Not sure if itbhas already been mentioned, but pedicularis is worth looking into , although it's not exactly cheap. It does grow wild in the US though. It and lotus flowers are the best tasting and most effective herbs besides cannabis, IME. Clip dagger/wild Dagga flowers aren't bad either. And papaver somniferum flowers can be effective

 

[darkrom]

Has anyone vaporized kratom? I occasionally take it for pain, but I'm finally at the point where I'll consider vaping things other than cannabis :/

 

[canj00digit?]

Did a small write-up on the remedial effects of vaping ladender over at my 'Guide to Herbs' thread.
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/guide-to-herbs.14182/#post-604711




Enjoy I highly recommend the use of this herb on a daily basis!

Indeed!
I also vape lavender on the daily to treat anxiety and swear by it. I often mix it with cannabis.
Smells and tastes great. Leaves the entire house smelling awesome. My cats love it also.

Lavender seems to me to in fact enhance the effects of cannabis.
This anecdotal observation is supported with the concept of 'the entourage effect' with cannabinoids and terpenes. Of the main terpenes in lavender, linalool, is also present in cannabis.

THC, CBD And More: The Entourage Effect Of Whole-Plant Cannabis Medicine

Taming THC: potential cannabis synergy and phytocannabinoid-terpenoid entourage effects

 

[Radio]

Indeed!
I also vape lavender on the daily to treat anxiety and swear by it. I often mix it with cannabis.
Smells and tastes great. Leaves the entire house smelling awesome. My cats love it also.

Lavender seems to me to in fact enhance the effects of cannabis.
This anecdotal observation is supported with the concept of 'the entourage effect' with cannabinoids and terpenes. Of the main terpenes in lavender, linalool, is also present in cannabis.

THC, CBD And More: The Entourage Effect Of Whole-Plant Cannabis Medicine

Taming THC: potential cannabis synergy and phytocannabinoid-terpenoid entourage effects

Wow! I find that a lavender tea about 10 mins after a vape sesh can cause the high to 'plateau' at a very comfortable and relaxing level. It clears my head-space and makes me feel very present and content
I'll look into the entourage effect, very interesting!

 

[Ansel]

some further reading for some of you here: https://www.scribd.com/doc/241927335/Magical-and-Ritual-Uses-of-Common-Herbs-pdf

 

[Shadowz]

I've heard that if you mix tea leaves or other herbs with bud, there's less thc in the vapor. Is that true?

 

[RUDE BOY]

Your bud still contains the same amount of THC whether you mix it with other herbs or not. If you fill a bowl with half 'tea' and half herb it'll have half the THC of the bowl when filled with only bud.

 

[MinnBobber]

I've heard that if you mix tea leaves or other herbs with bud, there's less thc in the vapor. Is that true?

I think the THC would be diluted but you'd get the same amount of THC per gram used. If you have a "load" that is all cannabis you'd get X amount of THC. If your "load" is half cannabis and half herb, you'd get 1/2 X of THC. But if you do another load of half cannabis and half THC, you'd end up with the same amount of THC from the same amount of cannabis used -- but diluted over two loads.

 

[Tengukashi]

Hey guys, migrating over from the DMT-Nexus for some answers. We over at the nexus have been trying to create an e-juice method that can bring us to breakthrough. I suggested using RDAs, but someone over there mentioned the temperature would degrade the DMT too much. I was considering the Abyss Coil by rip trippers since it supposedly produces a cooler vapor, but I'm still unsure. Does anyone have any knowledge on the matter?

 

[Dawntreader]

Ordered from iamshaman and had a great overall experience (although their credit processing said I may be charged an international fee, despite both the company and me being in the states, still not sure about that one).

Blue lilly -dried flowers
Wild Dagga - Lion's tail flowers
Wild lettuce
Hops
Kava root powder
Kratom - Bali powder

Completely new to all of these so I'm still unsure where to start. I don't expect to vape the kratom or kava, but still wanted to try them as tea. From what I've read, it should be quite the experience.

Cheers!

Edit: Seeing as I have the patience of a 3 year-old, I decided to make some of the kratom tea for the afternoon, to be followed later with either hops or blue lilly in the vape. Haven't eaten for a good 4 hours, popped a ginger-capsule to avoid any stomach aches, mixed 2 rounded tsp with about a shot of strawberry lemonade and downed it. Decent flavor and I've heard the lemon helps activate the alkaloids. It's only been maybe 15 minutes and I already feel a nice, warm body buzz. This is pleasant =).

So glad u bumped this thread and for the reccomendation for Iamshamen. I did not even know the world of ethnobotanicals existed! i am really exited to make an order of my own Thanks!

 

[darkrom]

Is it safe to throw this on my oil pad in my crafty, or vape a drop in my vapexnail? I've never vaped anything besides cannabis really, and I'd like to not kill myself doing something stupid. I hear it helps with muscle pain to vape lavender, but what about 100% essential oil from it? I have plenty of vapes that could handle a drop of liquid, I just don't know if I can/should?

 

[zymos]

I'd really recommend not doing that.
Put it in a diffuser or something, or on a lightbulb in your room.

Essential oils are just so concentrated, and I worry that lately people are becoming much too casual about using them.