The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

howie105

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The news channels needs to quit giving Trump so much coverage. CNN has been having him non stop free advertising, I realize ratings but they are helping to create a monster.

The news channels should have been using some responsible discretion in how much coverage they were giving Trump.
Spread the wealth a little amongst all the candidates.

One would hope the media would be neutral and honest when it comes to hiring an administration but in this land of already owned corporate media, objectivity is out and the "Masters Voice" is in. To be honest the 5th estate was compromised back to when the news was on one sided sheets of paper and the type was set by hand. As always you have to "read between the lines" to get even a glimpse of what is actually going on and ignore most of the headlines.
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
The National Review Confirms That It Is, Indeed, Worse than Donald Trump

I have argued somewhat controversially this weekend that as bad as Donald Trump may be, establishment conservatism not only created him but is actually more morally objectionable. This is because while Trump’s base is motivated by ugly and ignorant prejudices of all kinds, establishment conservatism is motivated by a far more morally objectionable ideology of economic royalism and callous indifference to the lives and aspirations of anyone but the richest and most comfortable. Between the two, Trump’s followers are far less terrifying than those of Ayn Rand, and not even Donald Trump’s rabid following cheers at the notion that the uninsured should die in the streets if they cannot pay for healthcare.

The establishment Republican ideology prioritizes capital above all else. For them, the market does not exist to serve people: people exist to serve the market. Unregulated capitalism can never fail; it can only be failed by those too lazy, useless and unproductive to serve and profit by it. It is a totalizing ideology as impractical as state communism but lacking the silver lining of its species-being idealism; as impervious to reason as any cult religion, but lacking the promise of community, salvation or utopia; as brutal as any dictatorship, but without the advantage of order and security. Worst of all, it blames its victims for its failure to provide solutions to their needs.

When those victims were mostly the underclasses and communities of color, establishment Republicans had no difficulty tapping into racist prejudices to excuse the failure of the unregulated market to adequately serve the needs of the whole population. But now that large numbers of previously comfortably employed white communities have been abandoned to the ravages of deindustrialization, automation and globalization, racism and prejudice alone no longer suffice. The communities left behind have found a new savior in a man who promises to give them all their jobs back and make America great again. The establishment has been left flat-footed in response, unable to win an all-out multi-front war against a reality-show buffoon.

That’s because the only ideologically consistent answer from the followers of Ayn Rand and Rand Paul is to declare those white communities also unfit to live in the new order. But that would be too politically damaging and grotesque to consider.

Except, that is, for the writers of the National Review and one Kevin Williamson in particular, who is happy to literally condemn his former constituency to death and squalor as undeserving of the middle class lifestyle to which they were previously accustomed:

“It is immoral because it perpetuates a lie: that the white working class that finds itself attracted to Trump has been victimized by outside forces,” the NR roving correspondent writes. “[N]obody did this to them. They failed themselves.”

“If you spend time in hardscrabble, white upstate New York, or eastern Kentucky, or my own native West Texas, and you take an honest look at the welfare dependency, the drug and alcohol addiction, the family anarchy—which is to say, the whelping of human children with all the respect and wisdom of a stray dog—you will come to an awful realization. It wasn’t Beijing. It wasn’t even Washington, as bad as Washington can be. It wasn’t immigrants from Mexico, excessive and problematic as our current immigration levels are. It wasn’t any of that,”

“The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible,” the conservative writer says. “The white American under-class is in thrall to a vicious, selfish culture whose main products are misery and used heroin needles. Donald Trump’s speeches make them feel good. So does OxyContin. What they need isn’t analgesics, literal or political. They need real opportunity, which means that they need real change, which means that they need U-Haul. If you want to live, get out of Garbutt [a blue-collar town in New York].”
Williamson doesn’t want to offer these communities any hope of relief at all if it interferes with his market deity. As with the sick uninsured, he would prefer that they simply die—as individuals, as lifestyles and as entire communities.

Say what you will about Donald Trump, nothing he has ever said is vicious and morally twisted as these words from Kevin Williamson. Between the two, Williamson and the National Review are far more worthy of condemnation.

by David Atkins
 
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grokit

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One would hope the media would be neutral and honest when it comes to hiring an administration but in this land of already owned corporate media, objectivity is out and the "Masters Voice" is in. To be honest the 5th estate was compromised back to when the news was on one sided sheets of paper and the type was set by hand. As always you have to "read between the lines" to get even a glimpse of what is actually going on and ignore most of the headlines.
I remember, I think it was mostly during during dubya's second term but it still happens sometimes. The headlines would directly contradict the central premise of the story beneath it, mostly in the newspaper. I remember thinking at the time that it almost seemed like some kind of psychological experiment. I think that was around the same time that I finally abandoned the printed newspaper as a source of news.
 
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little maggie

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All of my friends insist that Trump may run but will never be elected. Months ago they insisted that he wouldn't succeed in getting the Republican nomination. I can't imagine living in a country run by him but I don't see it as impossible. If I were younger I'd be thinking of leaving.
 

Gunky

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All of my friends insist that Trump may run but will never be elected. Months ago they insisted that he wouldn't succeed in getting the Republican nomination. I can't imagine living in a country run by him but I don't see it as impossible. If I were younger I'd be thinking of leaving.
There are moments when he scares me but keep in mind that he has yet to achieve even 50% of republican voters; he consistently gets around 35% of republican primary voters. Repubs account for about one third of all voters, so the bloc voting for him so far isn't actually all that big in relation to the total universe of voters. The only way he can win is if there is some other element such as a third party run or something. It is also important for dems to not savage either democratic candidate too much because losing to Trump (or Cruz or any of the republican candidates for that matter) would be disastrous.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Trump said the guy that rushed him on the stage during his speech had ties to ISIS which was quickly shown to be a hoax. I hope Trump feels a little frightened, it would serve him right. Maybe he will tone things down.

He also said he might pay for legal fees for the Trump supporter that sucker punched a protester that was being dragged away by the police.

Some years back I have protested my legal rights as an American. I never broke the law but held signs and locked arms with other protesters. I may protest in the future, especially if Trump comes to my town.

I don't believe in breaking the laws, like the guy who tried to get on stage with Trump.

I urge everyone's right to protest if they feel strongly about something.

Im curious is Trump's rallies private? If someone silently held a sign during a Trump rally and speech would they be escorted out?
 
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His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Im curious is Trump's rallies private? If someone silently held a sign during a Trump rally and speech would they be escorted out?

Escorted out for being peacefully/silently against Trump...doubtful....although I assume that peaceful protester would have to sneak in........., punched out by one of his backward thinking Trumpies... very likely.

My understanding is that these rallies are not private.

This perfectly highlights the difference between being presidential or not. Someone with the personality I.Q., temperament, maturity and morality to be president would not instigate a physical confrontation.

I don't know what's scarier....the possibility that he doesn't think about the possible danger he is putting people in with statements like 'I want to punch him in the face' or the possibility that he knows full well what he is instigating and is doing so simply to keep the campaign oxygen flowing.
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
I think anyone who thinks Trump doesn't know exactly what he is doing and who he is actually appealing to is either hopelessly naive or completely lacking in skills of observation. Donald knows just what he is creating, and if generating more hostility and fear will help him get elected he will gladly do it.

Donald Trump completely lacks a conscience, and if we elect him to the highest office in the land, the world will believe that WE AS A NATION suffer from the same deficit.
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
Obama delivers a harsh truth about today’s Republican Party

03/14/16 12:30 PM—Updated 03/14/16 01:26 PM

Last week, at a White House press conference, a reporter asked, President Obama, “Some of your critics have pointed to the incredibly polarized political climate under your administration as contributing to the rise of someone as provocative as Donald Trump. Do you feel responsibility for that?” He didn’t seem surprised by the line of inquiry.

“I’ve actually heard this argument a number of times,” the president replied. “I have been blamed by Republicans for a lot of things, but being blamed for their primaries and who they’re selecting for their party is novel.”
Pres. Obama: I’m not to blame for Trump
But Obama isn’t just deflecting responsibility for Trump’s rise in GOP politics, he’s also directing blame where he believes it belongs. The Washington Post published a partial transcript of the president’s remarks on Friday at an Austin fundraiser, in which Obama made a compelling case that the 2016 frontrunner is simply capitalizing on the conditions Republican officials themselves created.

“What is happening in this primary is just a distillation of what’s been happening inside their party for more than a decade. I mean, the reason that many of their voters are responding is because this is what’s been fed through the messages they’ve been sending for a long time – that you just make flat assertions that don’t comport with the facts. That you just deny the evidence of science. That compromise is a betrayal. That the other side isn’t simply wrong, or we just disagree, we want to take a different approach, but the other side is destroying the country, or treasonous. I mean, that’s – look it up. That’s what they’ve been saying.

“So they can’t be surprised when somebody suddenly looks and says, ‘You know what, I can do that even better. I can make stuff up better than that. I can be more outrageous than that. I can insult people even better than that. I can be even more uncivil.” I mean, conservative outlets have been feeding their base constantly the notion that everything is a disaster, that everybody else is to blame, that Obamacare is destroying the country. And it doesn’t matter whether it’s true or not. It’s not, ‘We disagree with this program,’ ‘We think we can do it better,’ it’s, ‘Oh, this is a crisis!’

“So if you don’t care about the facts, or the evidence, or civility, in general in making your arguments, you will end up with candidates who will say just about anything and do just about anything. And when your answer to every proposal that I make, or Democrats make is no, it means that you’ve got to become more and more unreasonable because that’s the only way you can say no to some pretty reasonable stuff. And then you shouldn’t be surprised when your party ultimately has no ideas to offer at all.”
It was a stinging rebuke, which had the added benefit of being accurate, though the president took time to make the case for an improved and more responsible Republican Party, which would challenge Democrats on substantive grounds, and force Dems to be better by questioning the party’s assumptions and “blind spots.”

Pres. Obama discusses legacy, jabs Trump
Obama added that he knows there are “good people in the Republican Party” who are “troubled by what’s happening inside their own party.” The president urged them, however, to acknowledge the circumstances that allowed for Trump’s success in the contemporary GOP.

“The notion [in some Republican circles] is, ‘Obama drove us crazy,’” he added. “Now, the truth is, what they really mean is their reaction to me was crazy and now it has gotten out of hand. But that’s different. I didn’t cause the reaction. The reaction is something that they have to take responsibility for and then figure out, ‘How do we make an adjustment?’”

That reckoning does not yet appear close at hand.

Postscript
: At the same Austin event, the president also took a bit of a victory lap, pushing back against GOP rhetoric that the nation has suffered in the Obama era. “When the cynics told us we couldn’t change the country, they were dead wrong; we proved them wrong,” he said. “Think about it: if somebody told you seven years ago we’d have 4.9% unemployment, 20 million newly insured, gas is $1.80, deficits cut by three-quarters, marriage equality a reality, bin Laden out of the picture, Wall Street reform in place you wouldn’t have believed me…. Imagine what Trump would say if he actually had a record like this – instead of selling steaks.”

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grokit

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I've been a fan of Jim Hightower for many years now.
He's the ex-agricultural commissioner of texas, and a long-time populist muckraker.


I've known Bernie a long time
A Message from RootsAction Endorser Jim Hightower on Bernie Sanders

I first met Bernie Sanders in the 1980s, after he pulled off a surprising upset to be elected mayor of Burlington. Throughout his time as a public servant, Bernie has never abandoned his working-class roots, remaining unusually free of the peacocking strut that afflicts too many in high office. For example, he's not "Senator Sanders" but just "Bernie" — as everyone calls him that. He lives modestly, flies coach class and considers $25 a major campaign donation. It's also worth noting that he has not used his official positions to get rich . . .

For Bernie, the key word in democratic socialism is "democratic" — rallying and organizing workaday people to reject the plutocratic corporate order and build "a society in which all people have a decent standard of living — not a society in which a few people have incredible wealth while 47 million live in poverty." Sanders comes straight out of America's historic continuum of progressive boat-rockers: the pamphleteers, abolitionists, suffragists, Populists, unionists, Progressives, New Dealers, anti-war protesters, along with marchers for women's equality, gay rights, the environment and the civil rights movement. . .

Bernie is serious about winning his run for the highest office. This is not a symbolic run to raise issues, nor is it an ego trip. "I am not running to fulfill some long-held ambition," he told Rolling Stone. "I never believed that I would ever become a mayor, a congressman or a United States senator (much less a president). ... I do not say 'Elect Bernie Sanders, I'm going to solve all these problems.' We need millions of people to stand up and fight back."

In other words, we need "a movement." . . . He's saying: Use me. I'll be your mechanism, your political tool in 2016 for building a democratic movement that can govern in the people's interest, rather than for the 1-percenters.

Bernie recognizes that the people's yearning for such a movement is what has created him as a presidential contender. He's not only aware of this basic truth, but he's turned it into an alter call, saying: "I can't do this. But we can."

-- Jim Hightower

Here's a quick way to help build the movement:
1) Vote for Senator Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary.
2) Sign our petition asking Superdelegates to vote the way the voters of their state vote.

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TeeJay1952

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@cybrguy When ever I read Obama or listen to him I weep. Thoughtful, eloquent, articulate and precise. Certainly can see his legal background.

Don't lose faith if it isn't Bernie or Hillery (depending on point of view) This is just a battle. War is in November.

Choice is clear. Those who inspire vs those who scare. Do you fear the future or welcome it as a challenge. My generation went from Woodstock to the War On Drugs. Politically we failed. Clinton & Obama (flaws notwithstanding) showed what liberal policies can do for our country. Talk it up. Get out the vote . Now for your pick, but in November FTW!
 

His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
I think anyone who thinks Trump doesn't know exactly what he is doing and who he is actually appealing to is either hopelessly naive or completely lacking in skills of observation.

Does Trump understand the potential for him to get someone physically, seriously hurt or killed with his rhetoric .... your answer is.... Trump is not stupid, can control himself and is able to think in advance of his tongue .......he knows exactly what he is doing. That would make him smart AND morally bankrupt. Deadly combination.

EDIT: I was hoping that when his jaw starts moving it causes the connection to his brain to disengage. The thought that he might actually know the potential exists for him to get someone hurt/killed frightens me......seriously.
 
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CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
@TeeJay1952 i know I admire Obama a lot and love to listen to him speak. He always takes the high road too when others talk about him. He has been a great role model for our young people. He did the best he could as our president. He probably needed to be harder on Wallstreet.

I sure do hope folks wake up and see Trump for the racist he is and see that he wouldn't be good for our country or for the people.
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
I think Trump honestly doesn't care about anyone but himself and his own. It is one thing to be full of yourself, but he is clearly way beyond that. Narcissism is a category of mental illness for a reason.
nar·cis·sism
noun
noun: narcissism
  1. excessive or erotic interest in oneself and one's physical appearance.
    synonyms:vanity, self-love, self-admiration, self-absorption, self-obsession, conceit, self-centeredness, self-regard, egotism, egoism
    "his emotional development was hindered by his mother's narcissism"
    antonyms:modesty
    • Psychology
      extreme selfishness, with a grandiose view of one's own talents and a craving for admiration, as characterizing a personality type.
    • Psychoanalysis
      self-centeredness arising from failure to distinguish the self from external objects, either in very young babies or as a feature of mental disorder.

    Added: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1519417-overview
 
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Snappo

Caveat Emptor - "A Billion People Can Be Wrong!"
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@TeeJay1952 i know I admire Obama a lot and love to listen to him speak. He always takes the high road too when others talk about him. He has been a great role model for our young people. He did the best he could as our president. He probably needed to be harder on Wallstreet.

I sure do hope folks wake up and see Trump for the racist he is and see that he wouldn't be good for our country or for the people.
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grokit

well-worn member
Not just a narcissist, but certainly at the very least. For starters, add bitter egomaniacal misanthrope.

I spoke with an old friend last night that's kind of a tea-bagger. He likes palin anyways, though I teased him about it while suspecting it wasn't really about her politics. Anyways he surprised me when he mentioned that he is really likes sanders. I had to bite my tongue about palin's trump endorsement, but if this guy of all people can get to bernie on his own, then there is hope that america will come to her collective senses.

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His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Yeah, we NEED Stewart back for THIS silly season. He is just sooo good at pointing out how ridiculous the pols really are. Other than SNL there isn't enough ridicule out there...

HBO is keeping the home fires burning with John Oliver and Bill Maher ...... but there was something special about Carlin and Bruce. There was a bite to the humor.

But I digress and derail thread wise so ..... to get back on track.... I'm going to leave you fine people to it and go vote in the primary. See ya!
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
As Carlin got older he just got more pissed off about stupid shit, government and politics included with that. I miss him too, loved him like an old friend. Was a bummer, sad day when he passed. We weren't ready to let him go.

I am so nervous about the primaries and caucuses today. Could make or break Trump. I want him to go down in flames. Anybody would be better than him. He is a fucking loose cannon in more ways than one.

I hope Kasich wins Ohio and Rubio wins Florida.

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Go figure, Trump is complaining that some are saying in Florida he's not on the ballot in a few areas. What the hell, that's Florida for ya.:lol: Fuck Ben Carson for giving his endorsement to Donald Trump. Carson is from Florida.

I've been reading articles about Trump. He maybe a hard worker and sleeps 4 hours a night but he is also treated like a king. I really wonder if his wife Melania wants him to become president? She's had a pretty good life so far. She just has to agree with him and sleep with him a few times a week. She's taking care of Baron most of the time, that's what she was saying. She doesn't always travel with her husband. She's just biding her time.
 
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lwien

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Who said the following statements, Donald Trump or George Wallace?

Answers below but don’t cheat.


1. "I love black people, I love white people, I love yellow people."
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2. "It's a sad day in this country when you can't talk about law and order unless they want to call you a racist."
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3. "I’m owned by the people! I mean, I'm telling you, I'm no angel, but I'm gonna do right by them!"
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4. "Somebody’s going to get killed before this primary is over, and I hope it’s not me."
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5. "That's a typical case of the press with misinterpretation ... they take a half a sentence. Then they take quarter of a sentence. They put it all together."
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6. "If you look at black and African-American youth, I mean to a point where they've just about never done more poorly; there's no spirit."
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7. "If any demonstrator ever lies down in front of my car, it'll be the last car he'll ever lie down in front of."
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8. "It seems that other parts of the world ought to be concerned about what we think of them instead of what they think of us. After all, we're feeding most of them and whenever they start rejecting 25 cents of each dollar of foreign aid money that we send to them, then I'll be concerned about their attitude toward us."
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9. "I'm not a racist. I don't have a racist bone in my body."
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10. "Protesters, they realize there are no consequences to protesting anymore. There used to be consequences. There are none anymore."
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11. "A well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market. I think sometimes a black may think they don't have an advantage or this and that."
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12. "We must not be misled by left-wing incompetent news media that, day after day, feed us a diet of fantasy telling us we are bigots, racists and hate-mongers."


1. George Wallace.
2. George Wallace.
3. Donald Trump.
4. George Wallace.
5. Donald Trump.
6. Donald Trump.
7. George Wallace.
8. George Wallace.
9. Donald Trump.
10. Donald Trump.
11. Donald Trump.
12. George Wallace.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-george-wallace-quotes_us_56e710efe4b0b25c9182d7e5


I hope Kasich wins Ohio and Rubio wins Florida.

Kasich has a shot. Rubio doesn't.

Edit: So here's the way I see this playing out. Rubio loses and drops out either tonight or tomorrow. Kasich wins in Ohio and stays in. Trump will NOT win enough delegates to secure the nomination and therefore, the GOP goes into a contested convention and totally implodes. The GOP establishment will nominate someone else other than Trump. Trump along with his supporters will form a third party. Hillary wins.

or

The GOP will rally behind Trump and nominate him but the outcome will be exactly the same...........Hillary wins.


If I was a bettin' man, I'd go with the first scenario. Either way, the GOP is fucked. They will lose the White House, the Congress and the Senate for the next decade, at least...........and.........we will end up with a liberal Supreme Court. And who do we have to thank for all this good news...............Donald Trump, that's who. He IS that proverbial blessing in disguise.



 
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grokit

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Rubio's out, he couldn't even carry florida. And sanders kept illinois close but the only state he won was missouri. Hillary won big in florida and ohio, she and the donald are going to be hard to stop now.

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