The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

[CarolKing]

America has many socialistic types of programs that's already been discussed here earlier in the thread. So having a democratic socialist as president could be a benefit for America IMO. Racism will probably raise its ugly head because Bernie is Jewish.

I was never around any Jewish racism, even as an adult. Maybe because of the area where I live. I was around black racism because of my dad. I had to hide my black friends as a teen. I could never understand racism. There is good and bad in all races and religions. We all stand under our own merits.

 

[Magic9]

Obama didn't actually claim to be a socialist; he just played one in republican fantasies and turned out in fact to be a middle of the road dem. Bernie actually claims to be a socialist. This is a pretty significant difference.

I wasn't replying specifically to the poll that asked if people would vote for an unnamed label. That has been discussed many times over. It was more of a comparison of how in 08, a virtually unknown, too progressive, without enough experience, hadn't faced the GOP attack machine, isn't one of us, considered unelectable by many, ran an insurgent campaign and took the inevitable nomination from Clinton.

Yes. I'm well aware of the differences, but that doesn't mean I don't find the striking similarities amusing. Magic wands and all.

I wonder what would of happened (which I thought we all agreed that polls are bullshit?) if that poll would have asked if people would vote for a reality TV star?

 

[1DMF]

. I could never understand racism. There is good and bad in all races and religions.

Here, here, which is why people like Will Smith and Halle Berry can kiss my furry little butt!

 

[lwien]

"After Trump endorsement, NASCAR leader faces the fallout"

"I was frankly, very surprised, that my diversity efforts for my whole career would have been called into question over this, in my view, a routine endorsement." France said Wednesday in an interview with The Associated Press"--
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...nascar-leader-faces-fallout.html?intcmp=hpbt1

Very surprised ?? Routine endorsement ?? ......Just when NASCAR is trying to be more inclusive. Corporate sponsors, NASCAR'S lifeblood is having second thoughts about their support.

It just goes to prove that you can be totally clueless even though you run a very successful enterprise.

He can obviously support anyone who he wishes to support but when you go public with it, think about the fucking ramifications, you idiot.

And now he's claiming that he wasn't aware of all of his policies before endorsing him..........and that is supposed to make it all better? Endorsing someone whose policies and statements you are not aware of? WTF??

I ran a company of 350 employees. Compared to this guy, I was a nobody small fry but even I was acutely aware of the ramifications of what I said or did.

 

[Gunky]

Here, here, which is why people like Will Smith and Halle Berry can kiss my furry little butt!

Above makes absolutely no sense to me.

 

[1DMF]

Above makes absolutely no sense to me.

Oscars? There is no such thing as positive discrimination, it's an oxymoron!

 

[Gunky]

Oscars? There is no such thing as positive discrimination, it's an oxymoron!

Uh oh. Now I am not sure if I want to find out what you mean. We do have a lot of non-white actors directors, etc here and 2 years with no non-white nominations stinks. If thinking that means I'm supposed to kiss your posterior, I guess it's ignore for you...

 

[CarolKing]

Oscars? There is no such thing as positive discrimination, it's an oxymoron!

I don't understand either. Did I miss something or did something go over my head?

 

[little maggie]

The missing details from Bernie Sanders’ general-election pitch

03/09/16 12:56 PM—Updated 03/09/16 01:28 PM

In Sunday night’s debate, Anderson Cooper asked Bernie Sanders about how he’d approach a general-election match-up against Donald Trump. The Vermont senator didn’t have to think much about the answer.

“I would love to run against Donald Trump, and I’ll tell you why. For a start, almost, not all, but almost every poll has shown that Sanders vs. Trump does a lot better than Clinton vs. Trump.

“Right here in Michigan there was a poll done, I think yesterday, or today, had me beating Trump in Michigan by 22 points. Secretary Clinton beat him as well, but not by so much. And, that’s true nationally, and in many other states.”​

There’s simply no denying the accuracy of Sanders’ boast. The polling data is publicly available, and most of it looks exactly the way the senator described it: both of the Democratic candidates lead Trump in a hypothetical general election, but Sanders’ advantage is larger.

Just yesterday, the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll reinforced the thesis with national results that showed Clinton leading Trump by 13 points, but Sanders ahead by 18 points. The latest Washington Post/ABC News poll showed similar results. So did the most recent national USA Today/Suffolk poll. So did the most recent national Quinnipiac poll.

If one or two of these showed outlier results, it’d be easier to question the reliability of the numbers, but when there’s polling unanimity, the observation is much tougher to question.

And so, Sanders and his supporters point to these polls, loudly and repeatedly, as a way of deflecting questions about the Independent senator’s electability. And really, who can blame them? Most voters are reluctant to throw away a vote on a candidate who’s bound to lose, and the Vermonter and his campaign allies appear to have quantifiable proof that he’s a safe choice –perhaps even the safer choice.

But some caveats are in order. The problem isn’t that Sanders’ argument is wrong – the data clearly backs him up – but rather, that the argument is incomplete in a broader context.

For example, while general-election polling at this stage is interesting for establishing baselines, it’s also unreliable. Vox published a piece last week pointing to the available political-science research.

In an interview, [Robert S. Erikson] told me that general election polling from this time of year is “pretty meaningless,” and said he was surprised his work had been cited to argue for Sanders’s general election chances. “Bernie can look good in some polls, but I don’t think anyone who follows politics thinks those would hold in November,” Erikson said.

It is for this reason that some, like Seth McKee, a political science professor at Texas Tech University, regard such early polls as “absolutely worthless.” Relatively few voters have made up their minds this long before the election, McKee says.​

Even if you put this aside and take the early polling very seriously, there are other areas of concern. Revisiting our discussion from a couple of months ago, Hillary Clinton has been a high-profile national figure for many years, and her public reputation has been shaped in part by attacks from Republicans who’ve hated her, on a professional level, for the better part of a quarter-century.

Sanders, in contrast, has never sought national office and has never been subjected to the full weight of the GOP Attack Machine, in part because his re-election bids in Vermont have been so easy. Indeed, much of the public, which is not yet engaged in the presidential campaign, probably has very little idea about who the senator is and what he believes.

And so the question for Democrats is not just which candidate has a poll advantage now, but also which candidate seems likely to withstand the onslaught of attacks that would inevitably come in the fall.

Sanders obviously wants voters to believe he’s that candidate. It is, however, a speculative question – no one can say with certainty whether or not he’s correct. That said, experts can make educated projections. GW political scientist John Sides noted last month that Sanders’ views and ideology “creates the risk of a penalty at the ballot box.”

He highlighted a Gallup report published last summer that asked Americans, without mentioning any candidates’ names, whether voters would be comfortable with different kinds of presidential candidates. For example, 93% of Americans said they’re fine with voting for a Roman Catholic, and 92% of voters are on board with supporting a woman.

Further down the list, just 60% said they could vote for a Muslim, and atheists did a little worse, at 58%.

Socialists, however, finished dead last at 47% – the only group that finished below 50%.

If you’re a Sanders backer, you might make the case that the senator’s message is so compelling, he could change voters’ minds about the dreaded “s” word. That may be true. But if there’s a discussion underway about the general-election viability of national candidates, horse-race snapshots from early March only show us part of a bigger picture.

To me the irony of this poll is that Evangelical Christians scored lower than Gay/Lesbian candidates. And Mormons scored lower than women, Catholics, Jews, Hispanics and Blacks.

 

[CarolKing]

The Trump rallies are getting so violent among the crowds it's only a matter of time before someone gets seriously injured. I'm surprised there's only been one person arrested so far for assault.

 

[grokit]

This was written by of bill clinton's white house advisors.

It should be over for Hillary: Party elites and MSNBC can’t prop her up after Bernie’s Michigan miracle
Trade, wages and the corrupt political class are the new key issues. Bernie and Trump finished off the party elites

It should be over for Hillary: Party elites and MSNBC can't prop her up after Bernie's Michigan miracle
Hillary Clinton (Credit: Reuters/Randall Hill)

You wouldn’t know it from watching TV last night or reading the national papers this morning but Bernie Sanders’ Michigan win ranks among the greatest upsets in presidential primary history.

Should he win the nomination it will be go down as the biggest upset of any kind in American political history.

If he wins the election it will change the fundamental direction of the nation and the world.

Some key lessons, obvious to everyone but the media:

1. The old politics is over. The fault lines of the new politics are not cultural issues like guns, abortion and same-sex marriage that divide the Democratic and Republican bases. They are issues of political reform and economic justice that divide both party’s elites from both parties’ bases, and the American people from their government. On these issues we find the elites of both parties shockingly alike. Among them: global trade; financial deregulation and prosecution of financial crimes; the social safety net including Social Security, Medicare, a living wage and health care for all; above all, the “soft corruption” of pay to play politics.

There’s a name for the bipartisan consensus of party elites: neoliberalism. It is an inconvenient name for many reasons but mostly because it seems odd that the worldview of the Republican elite would be an ideology with the root word ‘liberal’ in its name but it is true, nonetheless. and may even shed a little light on the open, bitter breach between GOP elites and the party base. Democrats stayed loyal longer to their elites for two reasons. One is their love of two very talented politicians, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, whose charm and verbal dexterity masked deep differences with the base. The other is their fear of Republicans.

I often talk to Democrats who don’t know Obama chose not to raise the minimum wage as president even though he had the votes for it; that he was willing to cut Medicare and Social Security and chose not to prosecute Wall Street crimes or pursue ethics reforms in government. They don’t know he dropped the public option or the aid he promised homeowners victimized by mortgage lenders. They don’t know and don’t want to know. Their affection for Bill and Barack — and their fear of Republicans — run too deep.

2. Hillary Clinton has neither their deft personal touch nor protean verbal skills. When she tries to distract the base or paper over its differences with elites, voters see through her, even if, in their hearts, they don’t want to. In Michigan she tried to smear Sanders as a foe of the auto bailout. Before that she sent Chelsea and Bill out to say Bernie would kill Medicare. Each time she ended up only hurting herself. She has tried to co-opt Sanders’ positions on global trade, climate change, military adventurism, a living wage and universal health care.

It’s always too little, too late. Voters sense she’s just moving pawns on a chess board in part because she can never explain her change of heart and often doesn’t even try. She switched horses on global trade in a blog post, on the Keystone pipeline at a grammar school event. In a recent debate she left fracking to the GOP governors who covered themselves in glory on Obamacare, as if it were a states’ rights issue. With her Super PAC (and hers and Bill’s breathtaking haul of $153 million in mostly corporate speaking fees), she is the living avatar of pay to play politics. She shouldn’t be the Democratic nominee for president because she doesn’t even know it’s wrong.

She remains woefully out of touch with the public mood in other ways. This week she began telling voters she and Bernie were pals and that it was time to wrap up their little primary so she could focus on the Republicans. As anyone outside her tone deaf campaign could have told her, she came off as entitled, presumptuous and condescending. The voters aren’t done deciding yet. When they are, they’ll let the candidates know. When party and press elites parroted her line, it had the same effect on Democrats as Mitt’s anti-Trump speech had on Republicans.

3. The performance of the press has been abysmal. Watching CNN and MSNBC last night was painful, as was reading the Washington Post or the New York Times this morning. The TV coverage was of a piece with all other 2016 election coverage. Last night FOX, CNN and MSNBC kept cameras glued on Trump for 40 minutes as he delivered a bizarre, rambling rant in which he talked about himself, his opponents and some steaks he was either selling or giving away.

As Bernie made history, CNN kept sending poor John King to its political trivia JumboTron to relate what various Michigan counties did in primaries or caucuses eight or 20 years ago. An MSNBC panel consisting of Brian Williams, Rachel Maddow, Gene Robinson, Lawrence O’Donnell and Chuck Todd dove right into a discussion of who Hillary might choose as her running mate; an actual progressive perhaps, given Bernie’s little showing in Michigan. They agreed it would probably be Elizabeth Warren, who sat this one out; or Sherrod Brown, the Ohio populist whose wife they all knew and liked. Really. The segment closed with everyone sharing a laugh about how mad Brown’s wife would be to hear them flatter her. The hour ended with Maddow summarizing the state of play this way: “The frontrunners had a good night.” This morning the Times led the story this way: “Senator Bernie Sanders’s defeat of Hillary Clinton prolongs a race she seemed to have locked up, although she won Mississippi handily.” He sure did.

Clinton has been helped in her quest by her party, by big business, and by top-down endorsements from progressive lobbies many of which broke members’ hearts to deliver them. But no one’s helped her more than the media. I know full well this hasn’t always been true for the Clintons and I also know not all the help is intentional. But the media helps her in several ways.

One way it helps is just by sharing her ideology. This is especially true of younger journalists at establishment venues like the Times and NBC or at web sites like Vox. These are mostly very bright people who see the world as Hillary does. (I’d call it neoliberalism 2.0 but it’s just like the Beta version.) They are Democrats first for cultural issues. They identify with elites, even know a few power couples and view the current corrupt rules of the game as laws of nature. It’s one reason why not one of them saw any of this coming.

But it’s not the only reason. Their employers put horse-race journalism ahead of all else, so nothing ever gets illuminated — not Trump’s business resume or Hillary’s or Bernie’s political resumes, or their very real policy differences. When Hillary sweeps vital differences under the rug to be replaced with stale tactical arguments, the reporters are perfect patsies — because all they know are tactics.

In the end, thinking only tactically makes you a bad tactician. When revolution’s in the air polls, money and ads mean far less. Reporters who know nothing else can’t conceive how voters choosing among a democratic socialist, a pay-to-play politician and a fascist might pick door number one. They bought Hillary’s myth of inevitability, but as Lawrence of Arabia told Prince Ali in the desert, nothing is written. If Democratic voters really use their heads, they’ll see through the tactical arguments just like the voters of Michigan did — and then walk into voting booths all over America and vote their hearts. Then there will be change.

Bill Curry was White House counselor to President Clinton and a two-time Democratic nominee for governor of Connecticut. He is at work on a book on President Obama and the politics of populism.

https://www.salon.com/2016/03/09/it...t_prop_her_up_after_bernies_michigan_miracle/

 

[howie105]

The Trump rallies are getting so violent among the crowds it's only a matter of time before someone gets seriously injured. I'm surprised there's only been one person arrested so far for assault.

The conflict between political expression and free speech, sadly you are right at some point someones choice is going to get someone hurt. I just hope when it happens its worth the price.

 

[Gunky]

It's unfortunate that Trump looks like getting the Republican nomination, because until conservatives run somebody like Cruz or Rubio and are repudiated, they are going to keep coming around again each cycle with their 'low taxes for rich job creators' and no investments in infrastructure because that would be 'big government'. This ideology has been vanquished by history and evidence, it's high time these zombie beliefs are interred so that those of us not sworn to uphold oligarchy have a chance to develop and progress again.

 

[grokit]

This dude's out there, but beneath his revolutionary rantings usually lie some real insight.

It meanders a bit but this is an excellent (imo) and unique take on the trump phenomenon.


Vampire technocrats fly to Jekyll Island to stop Trump

By Jon Rappoport
March 10, 2016

It's such a secret place, only heavy hitters and big shots can fly in, from private airports---which, by the way, have no TSA security. So they could have been packing heat for all we know. Or bags of blood for nighttime drink fests.

Sea Island is where they met. It's in the same Georgia gaggle as the infamous Jekyll Island, where the Federal Reserve was born many moons ago. But now the goal was narrow: stop the crazy cowboy; stop Trump.

Were secret effigy-burning rituals held? Hard to say. Did one of the tech giants unveil a new algorithm that would suddenly direct all Trump remarks to a new Hitler Facebook page?

Here are some of the Island attendees, according to the Huffington Post ("At Secretive Meeting, Tech CEOs And Top Republicans Commiserate, Plot To Stop Trump," 3/7/2016). Get this:

"Apple CEO Tim Cook, Google co-founder Larry Page, Napster creator and Facebook investor Sean Parker, and Tesla Motors and SpaceX honcho Elon Musk all attended. So did Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), political guru Karl Rove, House Speaker Paul Ryan, GOP Sens. Tom Cotton (Ark.), Cory Gardner (Colo.), Tim Scott (S.C.), Rob Portman (Ohio) and Ben Sasse (Neb.), who recently made news by saying he 'cannot support Donald Trump.'

“Along with Ryan, the House was represented by Energy and Commerce Committee Chair Fred Upton (Mich.), Rep. Kevin Brady (Texas) and almost-Speaker Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), sources said, along with leadership figure Cathy McMorris Rodgers (Wash.), Budget Committee Chairman Tom Price (R-Ga.), Financial Services Committee Chairman Jeb Hensarling (Texas) and Diane Black (Tenn.).

“Philp Anschutz, the billionaire GOP donor whose company owns a stake in Sea Island, was also there, along with Democratic Rep. John Delaney, who represents Maryland. Arthur Sulzberger, the publisher of The New York Times, was there, too, a Times spokeswoman confirmed.”

Quite a collection. And they all have hernias and a major case of red-ass about the crazy cowboy running for President.

At the confab, Karl Rove, the old grubby prince of darkness, opined that stopping Trump was a matter of emphasizing how un-Presidential he is. Karl's come a long way down since his glory days with George W. I'm told he's about to launch his own Daily Racing Form.

Henry Miller, the American writer who, in his time, in his own way, was as reviled and infamous as Trump is now, once wrote (paraphrasing): People say America needs a President who will restore sanity to the country. That's wrong. What American needs is a President who'll drive everybody crazy.

Well, here he is. Trump. The gilded, self-inflating hustler who's never met a success story (of his own) he didn't love. Trump. The master of off-the-cuff. The ham-fisted swaggering hair stylist's nightmare who pushes open the swinging doors to The Secret Club bar and strides in, bat-shit angry, to lecture snooty tight-ass titans on how to make America great again.

"I was telling my wife the other day I should buy Alaska. And by the way, we're going to dump Common Core, and vaccines cause autism."

What's the algorithm that stops that?

Regardless of what happens from this point on, Trump's major contribution to Presidential elections is smashing standard political rhetoric; and that's no small accomplishment. Next to him, Hillary and Obama and Mitt and Marco are 100% pharmaceutical-grade Thorazine on a slow Sunday afternoon.

Hillary, in particular, can make bloodthirsty war-mongering with torn bodies lying everywhere come across like row-row-row-your-boat at a picnic in the park, in between her coughing fits.

But here's the thing, Donald. You haven't gone far enough.

To destroy the walking-dead politicians of our time, you need to get a lot crazier---on your own live-streaming webcasts, night and day, to five million, 10 million, 20 million people around the world. From your car, by your fireplace in Trump Tower, in a Burger King, in the men's room at the Pierre Hotel, in a homeless encampment in San Diego, on a lonely snowy street in Cleveland at 3 in the morning. Ramp it up.

You're standing in the field of a family farm in the Midwest with a hollow-faced man whose life has been blown away by Monsanto, with its GMO crops and cancer-causing Roundup. There you are talking to him, the farmer, destitute, his family destitute, near a giant acre of weeds eight feet high that resisted Roundup and didn't die. His crop yield shrank. His expenses, courtesy of Monsanto, grew. He went down. Talk to the man. Listen to his story. Beam it out to 20 million people. Tell him how you're going to help him put himself back together. Lay out a plan to resurrect the small farmer in America.

Stand inside a building in Chicago where people have built their own urban farm and grow vegetables for the local poor community, for themselves. Show what a success it is. Listen to these people. Tell them how you're going help them build 5000 of these urban farms in poverty-stricken inner cities across America. People are going to rise up. They're not going to be a permanent underclass eating government cheese for the rest of their lives.

Sit in a homeless camp with veterans of wars and listen to their stories, listen to how the VA threw them in the garbage heap, after they served their time. Get busy, Donald. These vets are all over America. They have something to say. Don't hold back. Tell them what's happened in Iraq and Afghanistan since they were there. Some of them already know. Let them tell you how those countries have gone down the toilet. Raise hell.

In a trailer park, talk to a few former members of the American middle-class, who were shoved down into debt and unemployment by the fanatic Globalist export of jobs to faraway hell holes where workers slave for 3 cents an hour. In fact, under heavy guard, visit a few of those overseas hell holes and expose what they look like and feel like and are. Go the distance.

Travel the southern border of America. Live-stream what's happening. Talk to US border personnel. Listen to their stories. Emphasize that the US already has 60 million immigrants living here, which makes it the most generous country, per capita, in the world. Talk to Mexican corn farmers coming up into America. Let them describe how 1.5 million of them were put into bankruptcy, because the NAFTA trade treaty allowed US companies to flood Mexico with cheap corn.

Crack the egg of slumber in the Big Cocoon. With your live webcasts, pull in more viewers than NCIS and CSI. Drive your former employer, NBC, crazy.

Talk to truckers and limo drivers and shoe salesmen and working wives and newly minted PhDs who can't find work. Talk to people on the street, people in bars, people coming out churches and strip clubs and malls.

Tear down the walls between politicians and people...


(more)
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/...chnocrats-fly-to-jekyll-island-to-stop-trump/

 

[1DMF]

I think it's a USA thing, just ignore me!

 

[Gunky]

Apparently what we call 'affirmative action' in America is referred to as 'positive discrimination' in Britain. Presumably you concluded that actors boycotting the Oscars were calling for a yearly quota of blacks or something like that. That is certainly not how we read Oscar boycotts here. I look at two years of white only nominations and wonder how is it possible that not even one of our many, talented non-white actors, directors, etc is even in the running? With that many nominations? Hard to credit and suggests something is rotten.

 

[howie105]

The last place to look for reality in racial matters is an industry founded on story telling. Hollywood is dream land and handing out awards one night a year isn't going to address the real problems between all the races in a nation as diverse as America. IMO

 

[CuckFumbustion]

The last place to look for reality in racial matters is an industry founded on story telling. Hollywood is dream land and handing out awards one night a year isn't going to address the real problems between all the races in a nation as diverse as America. IMO

Or any form of reality for that matter. I feel that celebrity worship is a real problem in this country. It was Reality TV that made Trump a household name and also a bunch of no talent celebrities. The Oscors are a self congratulatory exercise anymore. Forget about the shit show music awards.

 

[CarolKing]

Trump is a devider and polarizes the country. A huge clash of anti Trump protesters today. The ugliness has begun. I hope someone doesn't decide to harm Trump. Some of us are old enough to remember George Wallace.
Trump is taking no responsibility for this.
CK




CHICAGO - A Donald Trump rally at the University of Illinois at Chicago has been shut down due to security reasons.

The rally was called off little more than half an hour after the scheduled 6 p.m. start time. Throngs of anti-Trump protesters packed into the free event, which only required online registration, while thousands more gathered outside surrounded by a police perimeter.

“I have never seen anything like it. It’s amazing,” CNN’s Jim Acosta said. The network said approximately 8,500 people at the rally.

“Tonight’s rally will be postponed,” a Trump campaign staffer announced, as a sea of protesters celebrated and tore apart Trump signs inside the UIC Pavilion.

“Mr. Trump just arrived in Chicago and after meeting with law enforcement has determined that for the safety of all the tens of thousands of people that have gathered in and around the arena, tonight’s rally will be postponed for another date," a statement from the campaign said. "Thank you very much for your attendance, and please go in peace.”

 

[Gunky]

Muslim women cheered after Trump event cancelled:

You can't punch us all, Donald Trump.

 

[mestizo]

I look at two years of white only nominations and wonder how is it possible that not even one of our many, talented non-white actors, directors, etc is even in the running? With that many nominations? Hard to credit and suggests something is rotten.

A Mexican director has won the last two years in a row, a Chilean team of two won I think a short film nomination, and the short documentary went to a non white female, those are the ones from the top of my head.
I could be wrong on the specific name of the Oscar nomination, but those are some I remember.
Now back to politics.

 

[howie105]

Trump is a devider and polarizes the country. A huge clash of anti Trump protesters today. The ugliness has begun. I hope someone doesn't decide to harm Trump.
CK


CHICAGO - A Donald Trump rally at the University of Illinois at Chicago has been shut down due to security reasons.

The rally was called off little more than half an hour after the scheduled 6 p.m. start time. Throngs of anti-Trump protesters packed into the free event, which only required online registration, while thousands more gathered outside surrounded by a police perimeter.

“I have never seen anything like it. It’s amazing,” CNN’s Jim Acosta said. The network said approximately 8,500 people at the rally.

“Tonight’s rally will be postponed,” a Trump campaign staffer announced, as a sea of protesters celebrated and tore apart Trump signs inside the UIC Pavilion.

“Mr. Trump just arrived in Chicago and after meeting with law enforcement has determined that for the safety of all the tens of thousands of people that have gathered in and around the arena, tonight’s rally will be postponed for another date," a statement from the campaign said. "Thank you very much for your attendance, and please go in peace.”

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I have little liking for Trump but I have even less liking for anyone suppressing peoples right of political expression. Yes I know there are all kinds of reason to go after Trump but imagine you could not express them because someone didn't want you to.

 

[CarolKing]

I am all for freedom of speech and freedom to assemble. You don't scream fire in a filled theater. That's what Trump has been doing. He is enciting anger among groups of people.

 

[Gunky]

A Mexican director has won the last two years in a row, a Chilean team of two won I think a short film nomination, and the short documentary went to a non white female, those are the ones from the top of my head.
I could be wrong on the specific name of the Oscar nomination, but those are some I remember.
Now back to politics.

I don't really give a hoot about the Oscars but the you know, sort of white backlash tone of that bothered me. Hollywood is racist and sexist. Surprise surprise this is America (not however denying that a lot of places are worse; at least here people push back). When actors like Halle Berry say wtf, I think they are right.

 

[howie105]

I am all for freedom of speech and freedom to assemble. You don't scream fire in a filled theater. That's what Trump has been doing. He is enciting anger among groups of people.

Please pause for a moment and consider what it would mean to us all if you were not allowed you response. Trump will come and go, you and i will come and go but if we allow and encourage suppression that will do damage to our nation long after we are gone.