The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

[lwien]

It doesn't matter who wins at this point...

It matters to me..............a LOT !!! Just put my mail-in ballot in the out-going mail slot.

On another note, I wonder if we can get a running tally on the mail-in ballots as they're received.

 

[CarolKing]

I won't be made to vote for a presidential candidate because a spokesperson in Russia says so. This is bullshit!! Trump has created this horrible alienation with other countries. Not to mention Russia's hacking. Trump welcomed more hacking. Nobody is hacking anybody in the Republican Party. What does that tell us.

Now Trump is calling out the women who have accused him of inappropriate behavior. This guy doesn't have a clue. He keeps saying the wrong thing.

Putin ally says Americans must vote for Donald Trump or face war - NY Daily News - New York Daily News
New York Daily News › news › politics
11 hours ago - Voting for Hillary Clinton would set off “Hiroshimas and Nagasakis everywhere,” the Russian ... Vladimir

 

[lwien]

Ok, this kinda concerns me. I heard AC interview that lady who claimed that Trump molested her on a plane but I gotta be honest. I really question if she is just making this shit up ‘cause what’s she’s saying doesn’t make much sense. She said that he was all over her. That there was soooo much touching that it felt like she was being attacked by an octopus. That this went on for 15 minutes and it all happened in the first class section of the plane with other passengers present.

Umm………..something just doesn’t seem right about this and if she gets discredited, that’s a major plus in Trump favor, so much so that it wouldn’t surprise me if he actually planted her in this story for this very purpose.

Edit: Damn, I almost feel like making myself a tinfoil hat.

Putin ally says Americans must vote for Donald Trump or face war - NY Daily News - New York Daily News
New York Daily News › news › politics
11 hours ago - Voting for Hillary Clinton would set off “Hiroshimas and Nagasakis everywhere,” the Russian ... Vladimir

A quote from that article.....“Most Americans should choose Trump because men have been leading for millions of year,” he said. “You can’t take the risk of having one of the richest, most powerful countries led by a women president."

 

[CarolKing]

I think Trump really asked for all the issues regarding inappropriate touch. He doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut. I don't know if I believe the woman from the plane? I believe Trump has touched women sexually without permission. Most would be hard to prove. It is he said, she said.

Trump bragged about inappropriately touching women. He thinks he can do whatever he pleases. He has that sense of entitlement. Trump will make all this worse.

I want to get back to issues. I want Hillary to ignore and just talk issues in the next debate. Make Trump look small and petty. Trump is a dirty old man.

We already know about what Bill Clinton did but Bill isn't running for president.

Sometimes I feel like we live in two Americas. I can't relate to the Trump supporters in the least.

 

[lwien]

Latest Fox News Poll out just a few minutes ago............Clinton leads Trump by 7 points nationally.
In some of the battleground states, the spread is even wider.

Some interesting details here:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/13/fox-news-poll-clinton-leads-trump-by-7-points.html

LOL.....Tom Hanks just referred to Trump as a "self-involved gas-bag".

 

[grokit]

Trump bragged about inappropriately touching women. He thinks he can do whatever he pleases. He has that sense of entitlement.

Killary bragged to her donors about misleading the american voters. She thinks she can do whatever she pleases. She has that sense of entitlement. See how easy this is, we're playing right into their hands.

I want to get back to issues. I want Hillary to ignore and just talk issues in the next debate.

I don't think either one wants to talk about actual issues
We gave them both town-hall style questions, which were for the most part ignored.

I'm not saying that one is worse than the other; they're both horrible choices in different ways

 

[lwien]

they're both horrible choices in different ways

Depending on ones point of view though, some of those "different ways" are either more or less dangerous than the others, eh? (piss poor english, I know, but I couldn't think of another way to say it."

 

[Farid]

So I have to ask, does anybody here really want Trump to drop out? I ask because talking about the pussy comment and other personal flaws are more likely to ruin Trump personally than to ruin the Trump Pence ticket. I think Mike Pence is the most dangerous person in politics today. If Trump was unable to run, I think Pence could take over the ticket.

I do not plan on voting for Clinton, but for people that do, have you considered how much harder it would be for Clinton to win against Pence? I hate saying this, but from a strategic perspective, the Clinton, Johnson, and Stein campaigns have to ride a fine line when attacking Trump because of this. They need to stick to issues and make him unelectable without forcing him to drop out.

The problem is, if you stick to issues, Clinton and Trump agree on too much on one hand, and on the other hand she has her own skeletons in terms of her positions on issues. Another reason Sanders would have destroyed Trump.

 

[lwien]

I do not plan on voting for Clinton, but for people that do, have you considered how much harder it would be for Clinton to win against Pence?

Yes and that's why I was happy when Trump won the primary and I definitely don't want him to drop out for the exact same reasons. Hillary isn't winning this election. Trump is losing it.

If Jeb or Rubio or Kasich won the primary, this election could very well be a WHOLE different story.

 

[lwien]

Penguin channels Trump. Need I say more?

 

[gangababa]

...
Sometimes I feel like we live in two Americas. I can't relate to the Trump supporters in the least.

It is objectively observable that there are those of USA (us all) who are living in alternate realities made up of subjective spin and ignorance of veracity (deliberate refusal to learn).
Having some subjectivity is the truth of all; it is not a problem.
Having too much subjectivity alienates one from reality.
Resisting reality with religious fervor is rarely rational and definitely unsustainable.

Killary bragged to her donors about misleading the american voters. She thinks she can do whatever she pleases. She has that sense of entitlement. See how easy this is, we're playing right into their hands.
...

My subjective spin based upon the same objectively suspect emails (sources) is that Hillary was scamming the donor class, pulling the wool over their eyes, prevaricating to the penthouse capitalists so she could actually use their resources to better the lives of natural persons.

That is the "Truth" in my country.

 

[grokit]

Penguin channels Trump. Need I say more?

I saw that; gotham is well-written
South park is also playing off this election, in their unique way

 

[jay87]

I really don't see Donald Trump as being intelligent enough to make any sort of economic, civil rights, or foreign relations improvements as president of the United States.

"Russia is very new in nuclear while we are old and tired in nuclear" -Donald Trump


What does he have to offer? I've listened for his whole campaign and I have yet to hear anything of substance. Like literally, he has said absolutely nothing at all about issues, policies, strategies, he's given absolutely nothing.

"I'm gonna make America great!" ...Ok, how?

 

[grokit]

These 25 answers are two weeks late today, and fully due on the 29th of this month.

The 25 questions Clinton must answer UNDER OATH on her secret server - including whether she directly ordered the destruction of thousands of missing messages

• Conservative group Judicial Watch has presented Clinton with questions she must answer under court order by September 29.
  
• The group tried but failed to force Clinton to have to testify
• Instead, the former secretary of state will provide sworn responses
• Questions probe Clinton's original decision to set up a private server – who she consulted about it and why she did it
• Why was suggestion from Huma ignored?
• Asked if she ever read memo that using Blackberry on State's top floor was 'highly vulnerable'
• Quizzed on federal record keeping laws
• Must reveal whether State officials ever asked about her private email for records searches
• Pressed on 'matter of convenience' excuse
• 'When did you decide to use a clintonemail.com email account to conduct official State Department business and whom did you consult in making this decision? '
• Limited by federal rules to 25 questions

The questions and much more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-destruction-thousands-missing-messages.html

Her "answers" were on the predicable side...

US Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton has said she cannot recall key details about using a private email server while secretary of state, documents show.

She had been asked to give sworn responses to 25 written questions from a conservative legal group.

At least 21 responses used variations of "does not recall", the documents, provided by her lawyer, show.

Mrs Clinton denies handling classified information in her private emails.

 

[thisperson]

I live in a vote by mail county and haven't received my ballot yet here in CA.

I'm itching to call and get it but I'll wait until mail time today to see if I don't.

 

[Tranquility]

While listening to the radio this morning, there was a talk on Brave New World by Huxley and it reminded me of a cartoon:
https://biblioklept.org/2013/06/08/huxley-vs-orwell-the-webcomic-2/

Go through it and see how our candidates match up on what Huxley and Orwell feared--especially on how this election has gone so far.

I won't be made to vote for a presidential candidate because a spokesperson in Russia says so. This is bullshit!! Trump has created this horrible alienation with other countries. Not to mention Russia's hacking. Trump welcomed more hacking. Nobody is hacking anybody in the Republican Party. What does that tell us.

Seriously? Either they are far more careful about information security, or they have been hacked as well. Perhaps the private conversations of the Democrats differ enough from the public pronouncements to make them more interesting to post. (By the way, no matter who is president, LOTS of countries will hate us.)

"Russia is very new in nuclear while we are old and tired in nuclear" -Donald Trump

While not an elegant quote that will stir the masses to change things, the factual basis behind it is something reasonably a part of the election.

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/USNuclearModernization
http://time.com/4280169/russia-nuclear-security-summit/
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-doubling-nuclear-warheads/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...e-means-the-nuclear-arms-race-is-back-on.html
http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-russia-nuclear-missiles-20150617-story.html

 

[ataxian]

Seriously? Either they are far more careful about information security, or they have been hacked as well. Perhaps the private conversations of the Democrats differ enough from the public pronouncements to make them more interesting to post. (By the way, no matter who is president, LOTS of countries will hate us.)

While not an elegant quote that will stir the masses to change things, the factual basis behind it is something reasonably a part of the election.

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/USNuclearModernization
http://time.com/4280169/russia-nuclear-security-summit/
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-doubling-nuclear-warheads/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...e-means-the-nuclear-arms-race-is-back-on.html
http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-russia-nuclear-missiles-20150617-story.html

 

[lwien]

I live in a vote by mail county and haven't received my ballot yet here in CA.

I'm itching to call and get it but I'll wait until mail time today to see if I don't.

I live in CA too. Got my ballot two days ago.

 

[thisperson]

While listening to the radio this morning, there was a talk on Brave New World by Huxley and it reminded me of a cartoon:
https://biblioklept.org/2013/06/08/huxley-vs-orwell-the-webcomic-2/

Go through it and see how our candidates match up on what Huxley and Orwell feared--especially on how this election has gone so far.

I did. It's scary how accurate that is. I remember being 14 and looking at party culture and thinking it was a foreshadowing in real life of what he said regarding sex/drug parties for the youth to distract them. I was/still am quite the square, I think. lol. I can acknowledge that.

Edit: Yeah I'll have to call them if it doesn't come today in the afternoon. I wonder if they'll tell me it got lost in the mail again, just like in the primary. :/

 

[Tranquility]

Best ever NYT defense to Trump's demand letter to remove purportedly defaming remarks:
https://www.scribd.com/document/327479319/Nyt-Letter?platform=hootsuite

For defamation against a public figure, Trump would need to prove actual malice to succeed. The letter mentions the due diligence of the paper and the fact the item was talked about extensively in the news to show it is of public importance. This was to go to the basic defenses of the paper. The thing that makes it the best ever is the claim that defamation has to do with reputation. Since the paper's reporting is actually confirming things Trump has said about himself in general, there is nothing in the article to change anyone's opinion on his reputation.

 

[lwien]

Was just was listening to Obama's speech in Cleveland. He's good. He's REALLY good.

All I gotta say is, I wonder what kind of EPIC debate goes on between him and his wife when they disagree. I hope their kids keep their ears and eyes open because when those disagreements happen, as they always do in a marriage, and when they confront those disagreements, the clinic that that would be provided to them would be something to treasure for a lifetime.

 

[Tranquility]

If running for president, she'd beat them both:

 

[cybrguy]

 

[Tranquility]

Her "answers" were on the predicable side...

US Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton has said she cannot recall key details about using a private email server while secretary of state, documents show.

She had been asked to give sworn responses to 25 written questions from a conservative legal group.

At least 21 responses used variations of "does not recall", the documents, provided by her lawyer, show.

Mrs Clinton denies handling classified information in her private emails.

Looks like she could be a millionaire and never pay taxes.

 

[grokit]

Sanders is going all-out against the Dakota Access Pipeline, while Clinton is dodging the issue.

On Thursday, Bernie Sanders and four other senators sent a letter to President Obama asking him to require a full environmental and cultural assessment of the controversial pipeline project, which would carry fracked oil from North Dakota to Illinois.

The letter calls for a halt the pipeline’s construction while the review is carried out, arguing that the project is “a violation of tribal treaty rights” and would “have a significant impact on our climate.” It doesn’t call for an outright rejection of the pipeline, but it does call for a stringent review and approval standards that would make rejection pretty darn likely.

Sanders himself has been calling for a complete rejection of the pipeline for months, starting as far back as January, when he was running for the Democratic nomination — long before pipeline protests made national news. Last month, Sanders gave an anti-pipeline speech to a crowd of protestors.

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton is not saying what she thinks of Dakota Access. Her campaign chair, John Podesta, gave a vague answer when Grist’s Ben Adler asked him about it on Wednesday.

Donald Trump, for his part, has invested in the company that’s building the pipeline.

https://grist.org/briefly/sanders-i...s-pipeline-while-clinton-is-dodging-the-issue