The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

ataxian

PALE BLUE DOT
Well the uncivilized reich wingers I know have told me just the opposite.
They have told me and I quote, "If someone has a billion dollars they are qualified to lead this country because to have that much money means you are much smarter than the rest of us. Unless it is a Liberal billionaire."
You might know I love reading NON-FICTION.
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS is my all time favorite writer.
If he was still alive image what he would say about our choices?

I agree with BILL MAHER!
"No way can we let an ORANGUTAN ruin our country"!

VOTE to save us!

CIVILIZED?
 

ClearBlueLou

unbearably light in the being....
...she knew she would win not only by tweaking him in his space, but also by knowing how the press will handle things if he doesn't stand stoically at his podium.
Are you falling for the lamest spin attempt I've ever heard? Did you not see the thing?

Unlike Al Gore who may have lost when he approached on Bush without the desired effect, Hillary had nothing to lose. Well played.
please tell us whatever it is you're trying to tell us.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Jack Kingston is trying to defend the indefensible on CNN. The lawyer Alan Derschowitz just cut him to the quick with the way Trump is handling the women that have come forward regarding sexual accusations. Trump indicating that these women are too ugly for him to grope. Handling this whole situation in an insane manor pretty much. Mocking the women who are making allegations.

Just listening to Trump at his rally today he sounded like a crazy guy. I don't know if he is getting the applaus like he had been getting some weeks back? I don't know if maybe his followers are realizing he is unbalanced?

Trump seems to be living in his own reality world. He's coming across as pathetic and angry.

Im surprised KellyAnn Conway is still there? She must be getting paid a lot.

Bernie was on Bill Maher, he's still feeling pretty bad about not getting the nomination for president. I could tell. I believe Bernie can still make a difference in the Democratic Party. He has more power now. It got a little testy with Andrew Sullivan disagreeing with Bernie at one point.

Bill Maher can put things in the right perspective. I needed some political humor.

More and more people from Trump's reality show The Apprentice are coming forward with how Trump acts and how lewd he is and how he degrades women and minorities. So far 20+ people.

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This whole bullshit about Trump's comments are locker room banter is making my head hurt, Jack Kingston won't be voted back in with his statements. i know he is no longer in office now, maybe this kinda stuff is why? He's hooking himself up to the wrong person. He would be better off keeping his distance from Trump - he's a sinking ship.

Just wait until the debate this Wednesday night. I hope Chris Wallace keeps Trump in check.

I'm curious too why would anybody give Trump a loan? He doesn't pay his bills.

Terrorism is the same no matter who causes it. If they are foreign or home grown. If they kill and harm someone it's all the same. Right? A person can only die once.
 
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jay87

Well-Known Member
So just for the record, Donald Trump has been this same unintelligent(no policies, no plans), sexist(which example would you like?), egotistical(all of his speech and behavior shows this), megalomaniac(most accurate way to describe Donald) for his entire campaign and since before he started running.

People pretending any of this is news is mind boggling. :bang:
 

Tranquility

Well-Known Member
Are you falling for the lamest spin attempt I've ever heard? Did you not see the thing?
Do you not understand camera angles and how video perspective works? All I did was put out a graphic representation of the movements involved. Except for the personal space designation for Trump (Which I feel makes him look bad to claim it.), I think it useful to see. Did Hillary intrude on Trump's space? Was Trump "menacingly stalking" her?

Personally I think neither is true and the fact that we are even talking about this nonsense is because of a pre-debate planned strategy from the Clinton Campaign to talk about it. "Spin" indeed.

please tell us whatever it is you're trying to tell us.
In 2000, Gore approached Bush during the debates for no apparent reason. It is speculated the odd behavior was based on the theory the size differential would intimidate Bush, showing him to be weak and unable to stand up to our enemies. It was a theme of one attack thread of the Gore campaign and had been getting some play in the news of late. I suspect if Bush did not handle the situation well, the next day a bunch of pre-written stories would have come out about his weakness.

The story died down after the debate.

 

ClearBlueLou

unbearably light in the being....
Jack Kingston is trying to defend the indefensible on CNN.

Just listening to Trump at his rally today he sounded like a crazy guy. I don't know if he is getting the applaus like he had been getting some weeks back? I don't know if maybe his followers are realizing he is unbalanced?

Trump seems to be living in his own reality world. He's coming across as pathetic and angry.

Im surprised KellyAnn Conway is still there? She must be getting paid a lot.
If she's getting paid, I think that makes her the only one - a pile o' peeps left when they found out that they weren't gonna get paid at all...he he's paying her in kisses?

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This whole bullshit about Trump's comments are locker room banter is making my head hurt, Jack Kingston won't be voted back in with his statements. i know he is no longer in office now, maybe this kinda stuff is why?
Like most of the original Confederacy, Georgia is run like a plantation, tho they've had their saner moments. Kingston is just another Slaver functionary, only out of the House because he was running for the Senate & lost.

He doesn't give a rat's ass about Trump, he's all about the Agenda: restoring (some version of) slavery & the color-coded class structure, cementing the control of old-school wealth and power, running things like a better machine than the 3rd Reich had - maybe restoring the aristocracy outright, maybe just continuing to dominate from the shadows. Restoring everyone to a state of fear and desperation...for which they can turn to The Lord(tm) for help, 'cause "the general welfare" isn't supposed to include them...

This is a thing: this is real. Get Trump in office and see how fast the 20th Century gets rolled back...

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Do you not understand camera angles and how video perspective works? All I did was put out a graphic representation of the movements involved. Except for the personal space designation for Trump (Which I feel makes him look bad to claim it.), I think it useful to see. Did Hillary intrude on Trump's space? Was Trump "menacingly stalking" her?
Why yes, I DO understand camera angles and perspective shifts, thanks. I was speaking to Trump's apparent inability to distinguish between his usual balcony and the town-hall format in use that night for the debate, and his willingness to whine ever so toughly when he's not happy-happy. For the record, I'm so sorry he felt invaded by Madame Machiavelli.
Personally I think neither is true and the fact that we are even talking about this nonsense is because of a pre-debate planned strategy from the Clinton Campaign to talk about it. "Spin" indeed.
Well-spun. With the Clintons personally responsible for so much minute oversight, and so much better at all the shady stuff, it's a miracle he's brave enough to be on the same stage.

If she can make him wet himself, that means she wins, right?
In 2000, Gore approached Bush during the debates for no apparent reason. It is speculated the odd behavior was based on the theory the size differential would intimidate Bush, showing him to be weak and unable to stand up to our enemies. It was a theme of one attack thread of the Gore campaign and had been getting some play in the news of late. I suspect if Bush did not handle the situation well, the next day a bunch of pre-written stories would have come out about his weakness.

The story died down after the debate.

Thanks for the clarity. I do remember this, but it was not as important at the time as you suggest - although I'm sure someone somewhere set great store by it. Moynihan(?) said "politics ain't bean-bag", but as tactics go that is small beer indeed, didn't work, move on....

OTOH, at the debate the other night, here's what I saw: I saw her acting like herself - the 'herself' she's been getting more comfortable with in recent weeks, a 'realer' version than the cartoon HRC; and I saw him acting - well, like a real-life Donald Trump cartoon, w/ flashes of Howard Beale's evil twin...
 
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CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
@OldNewbie i don't need anybody to tell me what Trump was trying to accomplish during the debate last Sunday. The way he encroached on Hillary Clinton's space was creepy to say the least. Yes I understand camera angles too. I think most folks here found it strange. He was plain and simple trying to use intimidation. You could see his anger boiling over the way he grasped the back of the chair out of frustration.

Trump is a bully and it's about time that people are bringing it to everyone's attention. I'm really not sure how anybody in their right mind could vote for such a slime ball? I will not try to defend anything that this man does. This election is giving the average American a big pain in the ass.

Three men were just arrested because after the election they were going to blow up Somali Muslims. I think Trump's rhetoric with all the anti Muslim talk had something to do with planting a seed. Wait until after the election. I'm really worried.

I'm afraid some people will go off the deep end protecting their rights as Americans because the democrats stole the election. Trump's talk is so dangerous, he needs to be held reponsible for that if anything terrible happens.

Trump continues to call the Central Park Five guilty when they have been proven innocent. Somebody else was found guilty for the crime. These men were vilified by Trump and he continues to say that these men are still guilty. It's plain and simple racist. Why isn't Trump made to be held accountable for his lies and bullying?

When Mike Pence tries to explain Trump it really pisses me off. He is an absolute idiot. I have to change the channel or turn him off.
 
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Tranquility

Well-Known Member
What of the seeds planted by Hillary with the Russian reset along with allowing them in with huge numbers of military into Syria, inability to negotiate a status of forces agreement with Iraq and a declaration of a red line that was later ignored?

We could go on with the Arab Spring and the Libyan invasion, but it is harder to draw a direct relationship to the problem that seems about to explode.

Syria is a mess. Alliances are shifting away from us as a broker of anything and our military is getting missiles shot at them. The U.S. is accusing Russia of cyberattacks against us and seems to be preparing some proportional response. The Russians deny culpability and are taking numerous steps in what appears to be a warning war, including nuclear war, is a real risk.

http://defconwarningsystem.com/2016/10/14/defcon-warning-system-update-101316/

 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
The election has caused a lot of the rhetoric that we are hearing now from the Russians. It's obvious who they want for president for the U.S. Someone Putin can manipulate.

This election has an impact on how other countries view us. Hillary's policies don't jibe with my ideas but I cannot risk a Trump presidency. Most folks realize he is an unbalanced bully a very bad attribute for a president.

I'm unwilling to risk my vote with Stein or Johnson. Your vote is your right to decide on.

At this point folks know what the stakes are in this election. If some folks haven't decided yet they never will. I guess they can decide not to vote at all.

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Lately the RNC isn't spending any money on Trump ads. Republicans worry about their support because of this whack job presidential candidate that they have chosen.

I would like to hear more policy on debate night. I want to hear what Hillary plans to do to improve on Obamacare. It's great for the poor, if you live in a state where the governor accepts federal funds for the poor to pay for medical.

Some governors arent utilizing federal funds for Obamacare for their poor citizens. They are still left with no medical insurance and people continue to die because of it. That is a crime and those governors need to be held accountable. In the media I want to hear more about that. Those are the people voting for Trump.
 
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His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
I saw a women on CNN describe how Trump groped her and when questioned further gave answers that made me shout 'get her off the TV now'! The answers were not believable. She was almost certainly telling the truth but the responses 'sounded' contrived. It only takes one contrived 'looking' example to infect the others with a smidgen of doubt. People wonder whether some of these ladies are coming forward for their 15 minutes of fame or for some other self-serving reason. The last thing we need is 'doubt'. When Anderson Cooper asked her about the friends who were with her when Trump groped her she said 'Unfortunately I'm not in contact with them anymore'. I'm torn between wanting ALL these ladies to be able to tell their story and not wanting to give the Trumpeters an opening.

In my role of Mr. Obvious.....

Trump has most certainly made many women angry and when people get angry they look for a way to punish the person who angered them. What's the best way for a woman to get back at a misogynist narcissist political candidate?? By voting for a woman competitor who is most likely to win of course. It's the perfect revenge play and a HUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGEEEEEE demographic. Put a fork in him ....he's done.
 

ataxian

PALE BLUE DOT
The election has caused a lot of the rhetoric that we are hearing now from the Russians. It's obvious who they want for president for the U.S. Someone Putin can manipulate.

This election has an impact on how other countries view us. Hillary's policies don't jibe with my ideas but I cannot risk a Trump presidency. Most folks realize he is an unbalanced bully a very bad attribute for a president.

I'm unwilling to risk my vote with Stein or Johnson. Your vote is your right to decide on.

At this point folks know what the stakes are in this election. If some folks haven't decided yet they never will. I guess they can decide not to vote at all.

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Lately the RNC isn't spending any money on Trump ads. Republicans worry about their support because of this whack job presidential candidate that they have chosen.

I would like to hear more policy on debate night. I want to hear what Hillary plans to do to improve on Obamacare. It's great for the poor, if you live in a state where the governor accepts federal funds for the poor to pay for medical.

Some governors arent utilizing federal funds for Obamacare for their poor citizens. They are still left with no medical insurance and people continue to die because of it. That is a crime and those governors need to be held accountable. In the media I want to hear more about that. Those are the people voting for Trump.
I'm a pretty easy going person usually!
It doesn't matter what I think.

Your comments are shared with me as well as others!

Remember the owner of the CLIPPERS?

TRUMP is like him!
 

Tranquility

Well-Known Member
The election has caused a lot of the rhetoric that we are hearing now from the Russians. It's obvious who they want for president for the U.S. Someone Putin can manipulate.
Or, the fact one person says:
I believe an easing of tensions, and improved relations with Russia—from a position of strength only—is possible, absolutely possible. Some say the Russians won’t be reasonable. I intend to find out.​

While the other says:
Well, my relationship with [Putin], it’s—it’s interesting. It’s one, I think, of respect. We’ve had some very tough dealings with one another. And I know that he’s someone that you have to continually stand up to because, like many bullies, he is somebody who will take as much as he possibly can unless you do.​


Lately the RNC isn't spending any money on Trump ads. Republicans worry about their support because of this whack job presidential candidate that they have chosen.
There is no doubt a schism in the Republican party between different factions. If Bernie's Buddies were in charge of the Democratic party for long enough to take all the leadership positions, would the party be full on for Hillary now or would they be shifting to the down ballot people? Trump has done all he has with far less spending than Hillary. Let's see if that theory can work.

Trump connections to the Republican party are pretty weak. He has seized on a few emotional memes to build a weak coalition of people who think they've been left behind by the powers that be. Long-standing core issues of the party have been tossed aside because a reality show star had his finger on the pulse of the U.S. and addressed how people feel rather than what they think. But, make no mistake, Hillary is every bit as much a construct as Trump. The difference is, he seems to build the falsity on his own, where she has a well-paid committee using modern marketing and information techniques to build up her facade.

I would like to hear more policy on debate night. I want to hear what Hillary plans to do to improve on Obamacare. It's great for the poor, if you live in a state where the governor accepts federal funds for the poor to pay for medical.

Some governors arent utilizing federal funds for Obamacare for their poor citizens. They are still left with no medical insurance and people continue to die because of it. That is a crime and those governors need to be held accountable. In the media I want to hear more about that. Those are the people voting for Trump.
Policy would be great. I would say "save" and not "improve" the ACA, but I would love to hear the plans of each.

As to if it is "great for the poor", by what measure? There is no doubt more people are covered. Are they being served?

My step son is on the spectrum and is a regional center consumer and will be considered disabled for the rest of his life. He is an adult and the birthday ago, he was too old to be on our (the parent's) insurance. We are in CA and got him his insurance through the exchange. Since he has no assets or income, it is Medi-Cal. Try to find health care with such fine insurance. But, he's covered. Good thing he doesn't need it yet.

Agreeing to the decreasing federal funds to cover those in the gap between being poor and eligible for medicaid and those earning enough for the subsides (About 3 million.) commits states to federal control over funding levels for medicaid in the future. The funds were a bribe in the hope state's would look only to the short-term benefit and not the long-term costs. Unless the "multiplier effect" of cash flowing through the individual states' health care pipe is set higher than I think reasonable, states are generally going to lose money by agreeing with the medicaid expansion. (I say generally as a few will benefit.) The economics from a federal perspective on the ACA is not the same as the states'.

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Just wait until we talk about how Medicare is affected. Where do you think 1/2 of the cost of the subsidies is coming from?
 
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CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I'm not going to dwell on medical insurance even though it is an issue in this election. We can start a new thread for that. My son who is drug addicted and homeless has medical insurance. It might not be perfect but it was better than what he had before which was nothing. I know it doesn't help those paying high medical premiums with their insurance but it gives me peace of mind. My husband pays sky high premiums and I pay extra through my employer for my insurance.

I'm not going to go down the what if rabbit hole about Bernie Sanders. i voted for Bernie at my caucus on a Saurday morning for 2 hours. Hillary and Trump are the nominees now and that's all we have. Get busy and change election reform before the next election. I agree Bernie was screwed but we can't do anything about it right now because it would split the ticket too badly and Trump would win.

I don't know if there are any good alternatives in Syria. It looks like a quagmire. I feel sad for the people. I don't know enough about it to respond. Obviously they need a new president. They have a dictator now. Putin isn't a president either. He is a dictator.

Republicans will need to rid themselves of the Trump and Brietbart stench or they arent going to survive.

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Maybe there was a part during the debate between Gore and Bush was a bit weird but I've never seen anything like the last 2 debates with Hillary and Trump. Trump is an unbalanced fool that made an absolute idiot out of himself. Leaving sane Americans scratching their heads as to who would be stupid enough to vote for this bafoon?

Trump has decided to take down the Republican Party along with himself. He keeps this whole story alive about these women accusers by continuing to talk about it. Maybe he really doesn't want to win anyway. That's the way it seems to me.
 
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Tranquility

Well-Known Member
Thanks for the clarity. I do remember this, but it was not as important at the time as you suggest - although I'm sure someone somewhere set great store by it.

Gore's mannerisms lost him the debate.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...sh-al-gore-2000-presidential-debate.html?_r=0

"The 8 Biggest Unforced Errors in Debate History"
http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...errors-mistakes-gaffes-biggest-history-214279
7. 2000: Gore sighs, eye-rolls and miscalculates in a confrontation with Bush

Entering the debates in 2000, Vice President Al Gore and his supporters were pretty confident that they were up against a political lightweight in George W. Bush. Gore had been in high-profile debates before, and his team was confident that the debates would show American voters that Bush, a relative lightweight known to stumble over his words, lacked the clarity and gravitas needed to be president.

During the first debate, Gore’s overdramatic attempts to emphasize how exasperated he was with Bush backfired big time. At several points, microphones caught Gore loudly sighing in response to Bush’s answers, which played into Republican arguments that he was arrogant and condescending. And as Bush criticized the Democrat’s plans for their “fuzzy math,” Gore was seen on the split screen rolling his eyes and shaking his head in frustration.

At the third debate, a town-hall-style affair, one of the oddest moments of this or any other debate happened: Gore walked right up to Bush as he was speaking, as if to physically intimidate him. Looking up with an annoyed glance, Bush seized the moment, nodding his head with a smirk, and continuing on with his statement, making Gore’s action look odd as the audience laughed.

Donna Brazile, who ran Gore’s campaign, believed that Gore won the debates on policy but “on mannerisms and the takeaway, he ended up losing … many of us remember the split-screen, and Al Gore was sitting there, rolling his eyes, perhaps, looking at George Bush, and basically he started to sigh.”​
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
In my view this is a big part of the problem with Donald Trump. It is a "normalizing" or mainstreaming of bad behavior. It is a cheapening of the American conversation and a corrupting of the way children (in particular) are led to view the world...

This Is Who They Are
by D.R. Tucker
October 15, 2016 11:30 AM

It is, perhaps, the least surprising story published this year.

A supporter of [Republican] presidential candidate Donald Trump is accused of threatening to beat a black woman and calling her racial slurs after being kicked out of a grocery store Monday night, Albany [New York] police spokesman Steve Smith said.

Officers responded to a 911 call at a ShopRite on Central Avenue at about 8:20 p.m.

Smith said Todd M. Warnken, a 55-year-old white man from Albany yelled, “Trump is going to win and if you don’t like it I’m going to beat your ass,” punctuating the sentence with a racial slur.

“I didn’t do anything to this man and I didn’t even know him,” victim Sharavia Moore said. “I’ve never been called that word in my life.”

Warnken was escorted out of the store by staff members after “being disruptive inside,” Smith said.

Moore said the store manager told her Warnken was removed from the store after an incident in the express lane. Warnken allegedly told two Hispanic customers with more than 20 items to get out of line and grabbed their groceries when they didn’t leave, Moore said. When the cashier asked him to stop, Warnken called her “colored,” Moore said.

The 27-year-old Albany resident said she was standing outside the store alone, waiting for a cab with her groceries, when Warnken walked out cursing and screaming, followed by store employees.

“He yelled, ‘You (racial slur) had your time. Your eight years are up.’ That’s when he looked and pointed at me,” Moore said. “The assistant manager got in front of me and got him to move along.”​

Donald Trump has infected the American body with a virus far more dangerous than Zika or Ebola. He has taught millions of Americans that hate is an honor, that contempt for people of color is commendable.

Thirteen years ago this month, former Massachusetts Congresswoman Louise Day Hicks passed away at the age of 87. A right-wing Democrat, Hicks was perhaps best known for her tenure as head of the Boston School Committee, where she steadfastly refused to comply with requests to integrate Boston’s public schools in compliance with the Supreme Court’s 1954 ruling in Brown v. Board of Education–a refusal that ultimately led to the late US District Court Judge W. Arthur Garrity’s courageous June 1974 ruling mandating the desegregation of the public schools, and the white backlash that led to vicious attacks on black Boston residents.

Nearly three years later, another far-right former Boston School Committee member, Elvira “Pixie” Palladino, passed away at the age of 74. In their obituary, the Boston Globe observed:

As the federal courts imposed busing in 1974, she rose to prominence with another vocal mother, Louise Day Hicks (who died in 2003), to help found the anti-busing group ROAR, which stands for Restore Our Alienated Rights…

Supporters of [Garrity’s desegregation efforts] say they have a hard time not remembering her as a racist.

“She stood for everything exactly opposite of what I stood for,” said Jean M. McGuire, executive director of Metco Inc. She said Mrs. Palladino used to follow her when she spoke about the program outside Boston and heckle her with racist language.

“Racism is prejudice plus power,” McGuire said. “I think she reflected the beliefs of the day, of hundreds of thousands of people. She was probably a bit more outspoken about it.”​

If Hicks and Palladino–who made no secret of their loathing of people who didn’t look like them–were alive today, they’d be sitting in first class on the Trump Train, even as it seems to derail. Bigotry is a powerful thing–and its power binds Trump’s supporters to him no matter what.

Millions of Americans will still vote for Trump in November 8–Americans who regard their fellow citizens as takers and moochers and welfare queens, who see America as having declined since the 1950s, who think diversity is discrimination and equality is evil. The teenagers who threw rocks and bottles at black kids on the streets of Boston in 1974 are older now, but they’re just as intolerant…and they will proudly cast a ballot for the bigot in a little over three weeks.

Three years before the desegregation riots, Marvin Gaye declared that only love can conquer hate. Gaye had it backwards; hate can indeed conquer love. If hate could not conquer love, Trump’s campaign would have made it about as far as one of Pat Paulsen’s efforts, instead of being able to win the nomination of one of our major parties.

As Bill Maher suggested last night, Democrats and progressives shouldn’t start celebrating yet. As unlikely as it may seem right now, Halloween could still come a week late this year–and the Orange Goblin could still trick-or-treat his way right into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. There’s still a lot of hate out there…and three weeks remain until we find out just how intensely it burns.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
There's a lot to be assumed in a Clinton admitisration but Bernie has a powerful voice now and a lot of followers. Some of his ideas were on the extreme side but a happy medium would be welcomed.

I am an Obama lover and I really like having such a gracious First Lady who is such a marvelous spokesperson for women in general - black, brown or white. What an amazing couple and amazing speakers. They will be missed.

I don't want to continue controversy after the election. People are exhaustedand the county needs a break. I'm afraid Trump and his followers won't allow that. They are talking about taking up arms iF Trump doesnt win. WTF?

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People are talking about maning the voting sites with armed volunteer guards. That makes me nervous,
 
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Vicki

Herbal Alchemist
Trump’s Supporters Talk Rebellion, ASSASSINATION (WTF?)
at His Rallies


I think it is time the federal government start arresting people making violent threats and that includes Trump himself.

By Matt Viser and Tracy Jan GLOBE STAFF OCTOBER 15, 2016

CINCINNATI — In an arena normally reserved for ice hockey, the Donald Trump crowd was on edge.

Some wore shirts with slogans like “[Expletive] Your Feelings” or, in reference to the female Democratic nominee, “Trump that Bitch.” Others had buckets of popcorn, ready for the show. When the media entourage entered, thousands erupted in boos.

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Anger and hostility were the most overwhelming sentiments at a Trump rally in Cincinnati last week, a deep sense of frustration, an us-versus-them mentality, and a belief that they are part of an unstoppable and underestimated movement. Unlike many in the country, however, these hard-core Trump followers do not believe the real estate mogul’s misfortunes are of his own making.

They believe what Trump has told them over and over, that this election is rigged, and if he loses, it will be because of a massive conspiracy to take him down.

At a time when trust in government is at a low point, Trump is actively stoking fears that a core tenet of American democracy is also in peril: that you can trust what happens at the ballot box.

His supporters here said they plan to go to their local precincts to look for illegal immigrants who may attempt to vote. They are worried that Democrats will load up buses of minorities and take them to vote several times in different areas of the city. They’ve heard rumors that boxes of Clinton votes are already waiting somewhere.

And if Trump doesn’t win, some are even openly talking about violent rebellion and assassination, as fantastical and unhinged as that may seem.

“If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.” (Dan Bowman needs to be arrested and locked up --- he is a fucking criminal)...

entire article link below...

The Boston Globe: Trump’s supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Because of these crazy ass Trump supporters who advocate violence and rebellion, we will be getting a gun, for the very first time. They scare the hell out of us.
 

Vicki

Herbal Alchemist
Donald Trump:
We Should Take A Drug Test Prior To Next Debate With Hillary Clinton


Seriously? This really pisses me off, probably because I have been given well over a hundred drug tests. In Ronald Reagan's Navy where it seemed like they were doing random drug tests constantly. You had to piss in a bottle that went into a box with like twenty-four other samples and I guess they would check one per box so you had a chance not to fail. Failing a drug test would get you booted. It was absolutely crazy what we would do to 'study' for a piss test. I hated, I mean hated this practice with every fiber in my being. Now when people have asked me to provide them with pee in a bottle I tell them that I do not allow people to play with in urine. Tell people seeking your pee to fuck themselves.


In this case, I say test them both!
 
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