Tafée Bowle

[TigoleBitties]

I wish, but its the same strains I've been using for awhile.

Most likely I'm just too sensitive.... I'm normally a mouth to lung dude with my other pieces. Fairly low tolerance as well, only vaping 2-3 times a week.

Yea as far as I know I'm the only person who's had this issue so I think its probably a "me" problem. Almost everyone everywhere talks about how smooth the vapor is (they are true! I don't cough at all), but for some reason this irratation only happens with the Bowle. I use temp settings 3 and 4

I think the extra terps may be playing a role because they can definitely irritate the throat. You're correct in thinking that convection devices may also irritate the throat as they generally require longer draws of very hot air. There are some things you can do to mitigate this though.

First, I would keep your stem clean as much as possible. Dirty stems can irritate your throat. Then I would try taking side breaths or "pipe puffs" during your draw to help with reducing inhaled air temp.

Also, a higher temp like level 4 may sometimes be easier on your throat than level 3. Level 4 temps will vaporize your material faster leading to a shorter draw of hot air. You can kill the heater any time you like during the draw to account for things getting too hot for your throat.

Have a look at this thread. Hope it helps.

Tafée Bowle

Just received my Bowle tonight and very excited to try it out. I received the short and stubby stem with my order and the short stem has the finish slightly rubbing off in a few areas. My stubby stem looks perfect. Should I be concerned about this? I read some posts from much earlier where...

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[BH491]

Any makers on here who'd consider working with me to make this more accessible? A whip attachment would be amazin

I feel like ive seen a ton of people want some form of wpa for the tb1 and 2.
Maybe i saw once or twice that someone figured out some diy, but i can't remember and i dont think ive ever seen specifics.

Its always bothered me, how can this be? that people with all their vapes and accessories, cant find some silicone tubing wide enough to stretch around the mp and connect a whip in that?
Even just a regular whip can stretch quite a bit, and might stetch over the mp, but theres wider whips and tubing available.

Can it really be no ones tried this?

I thought maybe most just dont like silicone, so no ones gonna ruin the flavor of the tb with a silicone tube, but idk that doesnt make too much sense as plenty do use whips.

Or does nothing common stretch wide enough?

I guess this is a question for everyone else, and no help to you, but if no one has tried this(which is hard to imagine), maybe just need to find some wider or more stretchy tubing...

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[dimmusp]

You're correct in thinking that convection devices may also irritate the throat as they generally require longer draws of very hot air.

That's very interesting, and makes intuitive sense.

But then why does almost everyone say that the Bowle has the smoothest vapor of all and doesn't even need a water pipe?

Wouldn't vapes with more conduction like S&B/Firewood/Arizer or Lamart (BAKx) be gentler on the throat and lungs?

 

[TigoleBitties]

That's very interesting, and makes intuitive sense.

But then why does almost everyone say that the Bowle has the smoothest vapor of all and doesn't even need a water pipe?

Wouldn't vapes with more conduction like S&B/Firewood/Arizer or Lamart (BAKx) be gentler on the throat and lungs?

The Bowle just happens to have very effective native cooling. The entire stem is anodized aluminum, a metal that conducts heat readily and absorbs a lot of the heat from the vapor. The real magic happens at the 90deg bend where the metal is thicker and there is maximum turbulence to absorb the most heat. The flat, wide rectangular shape also maximizes the surface area that comes into contact with the vapor and cools it more before reaching the mouthpiece.

In general, hybrid vapes require less of a long draw and overall less effort to coax vapor out of your flower. They can be easier on your throat by minimizing the length of your draw, but this isn't the whole story. If the stem doesn't provide enough cooling then your throat will still suffer. Also, due to the uneven heating nature of some hybrid ovens (really hot near the oven walls but less hot in the middle), this can cause some acrid vapor that's near combustion temps and is almost smoke-like and irritating with a poor taste.

 

[dimmusp]

Just got a reply from Tafée! What a class act.

Thank you for your message and for your thoughtful questions.

Please accept our sincere apologies for the delayed response as your message was incorrectly flagged.


Bowle Series II was engineered with both performance and safety in mind, using only carefully selected materials throughout the air and aerosol path.


The air and aerosol path in Bowle Series II includes the following materials:


Aluminum and stainless steel (Stem and device enclosure)

Ceramics (used in the device engine and pots)

High-temperature food-grade silicone gaskets (used to ensure tight airflow seals between components)


Importantly, there are no plastics like PEEK used in the air or aerosol path.


The heating element is constructed from a proprietary ratio of biocompatible-metal alloy, fully isolated from electronics for consistent, reliable performance and pure aerosol delivery.


Regarding your question about the glass drinkware, we are finalizing the production plans of our glass drinkware and expect it to announce availability via our newsletter and website.


We appreciate your interest and hope to get the opportunity to deliver you with pleasant aromatherapy with Bowle

 

[Dr. G]

That's very interesting, and makes intuitive sense.

But then why does almost everyone say that the Bowle has the smoothest vapor of all and doesn't even need a water pipe?

Wouldn't vapes with more conduction like S&B/Firewood/Arizer or Lamart (BAKx) be gentler on the throat and lungs?

I always thought it was the other way around...that the smoother of the two was the convection...go figure. I learned something today....

 

[Con Rodeo]

First, I would keep your stem clean as much as possible. Dirty stems can irritate your throat. Then I would try taking side breaths or "pipe puffs" during your draw to help with reducing inhaled air temp.

Also, a higher temp like level 4 may sometimes be easier on your throat than level 3. Level 4 temps will vaporize your material faster leading to a shorter draw of hot air. You can kill the heater any time you like during the draw to account for things getting too hot for your throat.

Taking a little time off from vaping to let the irritation / possible inflammation completely go away before I get back to it. But these are good tips! Thank you!

Regarding the "pipe puffs", you don't worry about screwing up the sensor by having the fire button going but no air flow for that brief second?

 

[Shit Snacks]

That's very interesting, and makes intuitive sense.

But then why does almost everyone say that the Bowle has the smoothest vapor of all and doesn't even need a water pipe?

Because that's a useless metric? You are not taking into account what each of those people are comparing it to, taking a full tally of those who disagree etc... so this is just a perception you focused on (water pipes don't make things better by default either, many people like me say how they want more connectivity from TB, so this will lead other people to reply that they think the TB is so smooth it doesn't need water, but it's not about being smooth or needing water... Sure there are some people that maybe relied on that stuff and now don't need it with TB, but again that is subjective, don't know what else they're comparing it to or other variables and everyone is different) yes it has a built-in right angle hook with heating element above bowl, that is a smart pathway for a great use experience, however it is not unique to the TB can be done with others using a separate hook (Delta 3D even made an adapter so you could use other things like the Grasshopper with TB mouthpiece stem as hook, but that didn't appeal to me much as I would prefer different materials for hook and mouthpiece personally, like all glass)

Wouldn't vapes with more conduction like S&B/Firewood/Arizer or Lamart (BAKx) be gentler on the throat and lungs?

Yeah there are too many other factors, you've got temp settings and pathway, materials and other variables... Hybrid and conduction is much more harsh for me typically, whereas convection feels smoother with the open airflow, etc...

I always thought it was the other way around...that the smoother of the two was the convection...go figure. I learned something today....

It's totally subjective, but I feel the same way, convection is smoother always for me... Comparing one to one

 

[TigoleBitties]

Taking a little time off from vaping to let the irritation / possible inflammation completely go away before I get back to it. But these are good tips! Thank you!

You're most welcome. Hope you find a solution to the throat irritation.

Regarding the "pipe puffs", you don't worry about screwing up the sensor by having the fire button going but no air flow for that brief second?

Yeah, I'm not worried about it. As long as you're quick enough not to trip the sensor I think you're good. This is based on the fact that the airflow sensor timeout is a couple of seconds for a reason. The heater can handle a brief period with no airflow and the pipe puffs not only help with taming the vapor but they allow the smell to permeate your senses while you're drawing, enhancing taste.

 

[dimmusp]

NOOOOOOOOO!

I had nearly convinced myself to buy a TB2 and it's out of stock!

I thought it was available at VapeFully for €439 (expensive but much cheaper than Verdampftnochmal's crazy €499), but actually it doesn't seem to be in stock anywhere in the EU.

Vapefiend has it but they're charging £GBP 486.94, which is outrageously expensive (€571 or $666).

Does anyone know a way to get it in the EU for a reasonable price?

Thanks

 

[dimmusp]

Interesting reply from Tafée about materials safety and the glass drinkware:

Your concerns regarding materials such as aluminum and silicone are completely valid, and we’d like to offer some clarity. Historically, caution around those materials in aerosol devices has stemmed from their proximity to direct heat sources. However, the Bowle Series II was purposefully engineered to differ entirely from traditional systems in that regard. Our design intentionally separates all structural materials—like stainless steel, aluminum or food-grade silicone—from high-heat contact points. By the time the aerosol reaches the mouthpiece, it has already passed through a cooled, indirect flow path that ensures it arrives at a safe thermal state, minimizing the potential for material interaction.


At this time, we do not yet offer a version of Bowle without drinkware, but we are certainly open to offering a more modular configuration when we can support it.

We also appreciate your transparency regarding budget considerations, and it’s feedback like yours that helps guide our efforts in making Bowle accessible to those who are thoughtfully seeking a refined aromatherapy experience.


We hope you’ll find the upcoming glass drinkware option aligns better with your preference, and we will be sure to share more details once it’s officially released.

And one from Vapefully (EU reseller) about their stock of Bowle 2s (long wait ):

I received information that it will definitely not be earlier than mid-July. I would assume the second half of July.

 

[vaporo]

mannnnn where is someone with an adapter so we can use glass stems. love this thing, just want a better stem. imagine if it had the same possibilities as tinymight

 

[Cdwhit]

Anyone with a 3D printer and the skills to model (I have the printer, not the skills) could print out a replacement mouthpiece for the silicone bit that went to a tube fitting to a water piece.

If you REALLY want to use a water piece, look for a piece of food safe silicone tubing that will fit over the mouthpiece and a connector from the tubing to a water pipe. I was doing this with my Mighty+ for a while before I discovered ready made adapters, and I still use it from time to time.

Just eyeballing it, you’d need about 3/4 inch tubing to fit over the mouthpiece, then adapters from about 20mm to whatever size glass you use.

There is a guy, I think he posted it here, that made a really nice water pipe adapter for the TB, but apparently he just did it as a one of, he’s not selling them that I have seen.

 

[vaporo]

Anyone with a 3D printer and the skills to model (I have the printer, not the skills) could print out a replacement mouthpiece for the silicone bit that went to a tube fitting to a water piece.

If you REALLY want to use a water piece, look for a piece of food safe silicone tubing that will fit over the mouthpiece and a connector from the tubing to a water pipe. I was doing this with my Mighty+ for a while before I discovered ready made adapters, and I still use it from time to time.

Just eyeballing it, you’d need about 3/4 inch tubing to fit over the mouthpiece, then adapters from about 20mm to whatever size glass you use.

There is a guy, I think he posted it here, that made a really nice water pipe adapter for the TB, but apparently he just did it as a one of, he’s not selling them that I have seen.

Those are all great ideas but I actually have no desire to run it through water. I'd just like to have some cool glass stems with cooling balls/pills, similar to what high artisan and The Rogue Wax Works does for tinymight.

So the adapter would be something that has the fitting for the ceramic pot, but instead of the stem, an opening that can fit 8mm or whatever glass stems.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Exactly, whole point is to bypass the current metal stem and silicone completely, and it's not about water... I don't know why others seem to have trouble retaining that here

 

[LAWTHEONE]

This is the OG version. Pretty sure my daughter’s not giving me the V2 back ever. lol

 

[vapviking]

Had yet another great RMA experience, my repaired Series 2 Bowle is on its way back to me.
I had made inquiry about the 2 different thickness o-rings. My thought was that the thinner ones had been for Series 1 and thicker for Series 2. Wrong!
Here's the reply I got,

Regarding your thoughtful question about the red o-rings:

The thinner red o-rings are the current standard and are designed specifically for optimal use with Bowle Series II. The thicker o-rings were originally included with select batches first-generation Bowle. While both types are generally interchangeable and compatible across puck generations, we do recommend using the thinner ones, especially with Series II, as they provide the best fit and seal in most conditions.

At the moment, we are out of stock of the older thicker o-rings and do not anticipate replenishing them until the end of August.

 

[dimmusp]

Had yet another great RMA experience, my repaired Series 2 Bowle is on its way back to me.
I had made inquiry about the 2 different thickness o-rings. My thought was that the thinner ones had been for Series 1 and thicker for Series 2. Wrong!
Here's the reply I got,

Regarding your thoughtful question about the red o-rings:

The thinner red o-rings are the current standard and are designed specifically for optimal use with Bowle Series II. The thicker o-rings were originally included with select batches first-generation Bowle. While both types are generally interchangeable and compatible across puck generations, we do recommend using the thinner ones, especially with Series II, as they provide the best fit and seal in most conditions.

At the moment, we are out of stock of the older thicker o-rings and do not anticipate replenishing them until the end of August.

What was wrong with your Bowle that required another RMA? Was it a V1 or a V2?

I'm glad it wad a good experience, but it's also a bit concerning that you had more than one RMA.

 

[borbjorbis]

What are some tips for flavor chasing with the Bowle? Grind consistency, packing style, inhalation techinque, anything like that.


Been experimenting with the TB2 recently – loving the effects, loving how weird it is, honestly loving the cup. But I have to say, I feel like the flavor on my hits have been pretty muted so far. Like I can sense a lot of detail and tasting notes in the herb, but all of those notes are further away and less in your face compared to my other flavor chasers. Been primarily using Temperature 2.

An important qualification is that I've been using some exceptionally dry and stale bud, haven't been able to re-up since I borrowed the Bowle. At the same time, however, this bud has been giving me plenty of flavor in my Simrell, Vapman, and BAKx.

A thought that I had – and this may not have any basis in scientific reality – is that maybe conduction devices do a better job bringing out all the flavor left in dry bud. I feel like conduction hits are drier, roastier, and harsher to begin with, and maybe something about this heating profile really highlights the remaining flavor compounds in stale weed.

On the other hand, since convection hits are brighter and juicier, maybe fresh, moist bud is more of a requirement to get the best results. Guess I'll find out once I re-up.

 

[TigoleBitties]

What are some tips for flavor chasing with the Bowle? Grind consistency, packing style, inhalation techinque, anything like that.

I would try level 2 or 3 with a medium grind (not fine) and no tamp and all, just scoop up some bud and wipe off the top. Then take long slow and constant draws with little side breaths or pipe-puffs in between to keep the heater going until timeout (around 20s). I find the little pipe-puffs really help you taste the weed by smelling the little vapor that escapes during these side breaths.

Also, keeping these side breaths short and maxing out the heater until timeout transfers the most heat to the bowl. A convection vape only heats while you draw so use this to your advantage by maxing out your draw.

Your weed may be the culprit but for me the Bowle 2 is always flavor-forward.

 

[vapviking]

What was wrong with your Bowle that required another RMA? Was it a V1 or a V2?

I'm glad it wad a good experience, but it's also a bit concerning that you had more than one RMA.

Let me preface by saying that I use the Bowle a lot. Idk, 15-20 pots/day? So my wear and tear may accrue a little faster than most owners'.

I love the Bowle experience. Wife and I have each had a Series1 and now Series 2. All have had some service issue along the way. We have given an S1 away to an infrequent user, who loves it. Still have an S1 that Tafee, at one point, serviced for free even though it was long out of warranty period.

There a couple of important points that support my flimsy rationale for having and using these, even while I know from experience that the Bowle will very very likely require returns for service.

First, I can afford it. While not wealthy, I feel I can afford to balance this vice into my obligations reasonably. I have other devices that will probably last many years, but I don't think Bowle is quite that simple, nor far enough down its own path, to provide carefree use for years on end., at least not with my use-pattern.

There's also "reasonable" math! Over the 2 year warranty period, 80 cents per day would more than cover purchase, accessories, and some postage money if needed.

Customer Service itself has been absolutely great, for years.

End of Preface, on to your?

This RMA is a Series 2. There was a degradation of performance over a few days' time, then it was hardly putting out heat at all. I've had it 14 months. This was its 2nd rma (similar issue the first time, too). In these instances alll shipping was paid by Tafee. Turnaround has been 2 weeks or less and always some nice freebies along with.

They've indicated that repair was made to my device, i.e. they are not sending a replacement/new one. This has been more common with Series 2, where a Series 1 return more often resulted in a new unit. This must be saving them money on the returns, the fact they can do a repair in house. Though I suspect they do a modular swap of the top plate and the "guts", while not having to replace the body of the puck itself. Puck comes back with original Seriel # on the bottom.

To be sure, I have not tolerated so many repair returns to many products in the past -- the Grasshopper being an exception. I came to see Hopper ownership more like a lease program (it doesn't really end!).

 

[Shit Snacks]

since convection hits are brighter and juicier, maybe fresh, moist bud is more of a requirement to get the best results.

always, imo, especially with on demand pure convection using course grind... I haven't been vaping much at all in so long, because it has been so long since I've had nice fresh tasty bud... So much is prepackaged dry garbage now and dabbing is just easier

 

[borbjorbis]

I would try level 2 or 3 with a medium grind (not fine) and no tamp and all, just scoop up some bud and wipe off the top. Then take long slow and constant draws with little side breaths or pipe-puffs in between to keep the heater going until timeout (around 20s). I find the little pipe-puffs really help you taste the weed by smelling the little vapor that escapes during these side breaths.

Also, keeping these side breaths short and maxing out the heater until timeout transfers the most heat to the bowl. A convection vape only heats while you draw so use this to your advantage by maxing out your draw.

Your weed may be the culprit but for me the Bowle 2 is always flavor-forward.

Will definitely be trying this out! Which stem do you normally use? And notice any difference in flavor between the two silicone tips? I figure minimizing silicone where I can wouldn't be a bad idea.

Sometimes when I hit my most flavorful vapes, my tongue gets so intensely coated with flavor its almost incapacitating. If I can get this effect out of the TB2, it would easily earn its place among my most highly regarded vapes.

 

[TigoleBitties]

Will definitely be trying this out! Which stem do you normally use? And notice any difference in flavor between the two silicone tips? I figure minimizing silicone where I can wouldn't be a bad idea.

I use the longest stem with the silicone tip as well. The silicone doesn't impact the taste for me but it might give you a slightly more open draw without it if you want that.

Sometimes when I hit my most flavorful vapes, my tongue gets so intensely coated with flavor its almost incapacitating. If I can get this effect out of the TB2, it would easily earn its place among my most highly regarded vapes.

Yup. I call it "terp-tongue" and you should be able to get it fairly easily with the Bowle and some quality bud. I've also gotten the "terp sneezes" with the Bowle when the notes are really intense. Good luck!

 

[vapviking]

I've also gotten the "terp sneezes" with the Bowle when the notes are really intense.

Same. It's nice, and I laugh thinking about the arcane habit of dipping "snuff"!