Swamp Water / Golden Dragon a use for your abv/avb

spon

Well-Known Member
Hi All,

I'm 5 pages through this fantastically immense thread and promise to read it all, but wanted to ask a question. I've had my DBV for about a year now and haven't cleaned the glass wand at all. Can someone outline the best way to make tincture while cleaning the wand? I have a fresh bottle of Everclear as I'm planning to make my first batch of swamp water over the weekend. I'm hoping to make 2 batches - one swamp water from ABV and another batch from the cleaned wand. I'm just not sure how to do the cleaning.

Thanks!
 
spon,

Lo

Combustion free since '09
It is very easy. You soak the glass in the Everclear until it's clean, using just enough to cover the glass. Then you can reduce the tincture to make it more potent by evaporating out some of the alcohol if you'd like. Very easy to do and can knock you down hard!!
 
Lo,

spon

Well-Known Member
thanks Lo. I guess I didn't think it would be that easy. lol. I'll report back with how it goes (also with my first foray into swamp water)
 
spon,

spon

Well-Known Member
Quick question Lo, if you're around. About how long would you typically soak the glass? I haven't tried to scrap it off but after 5 hours it looks pretty much the same. The liquid is now a light yellow color so i'm guessing it's working is magic.
 
spon,

Tuck

Well-Known Member
try using a poker or a bamboo skewer to scrape some of the gunk off.
 
Tuck,

Lo

Combustion free since '09
I usually let glass soak for a few hours or even overnight. Takes awhile for the alcohol to dissolve the goodies and depends on strength of alcohol. I have also used a skewer to harvest some and then soaked the skewer ;)
 
Lo,

spon

Well-Known Member
So I started out with about 8oz of Everclear to clean my glass wand. Probably too much but I wanted to be able to soak the whole thing. Anyway, I soaked it for about 24 hours then scrapped it clean. I let the liquid sit for a few hours then stained it thru cheesecloth. The result was a nice yellow liquid that was very clear.

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At that point there was a little under 8oz. Before I let it evaporate down, I took a bit less than 1oz as a shot to gauge the strength. Very strong but not much herb taste. I waited a couple of hours but really didn't feel much of anything. Decided it definitely needed to be evaporated down so I put it in front of a fan for about 3 hours. It reduced quickly down to a little more than 5oz but for some reason it turned from crystal clear to a murky cloud.

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This is my first time so we'll see how it turns out. I bottled up the 5oz and will try some tomorrow on an empty stomach.
 
spon,

Vaporator

Member
I have made my first batch! I used 1 cup of ABV and two cups of rum 151. 24 hour saturate with shaking every few hours. Strained with cheese cloth.

Before I started evaporating, I tried a dropper full (about 35 drops). It had a very minor effect, so Im evaporating all night and well see if its more potent tomorrow.

When it comes to the particulate in the liquid, is there any harm in leaving it in?
 
Vaporator,

ShadowLink12

Activist
I decided to make my first batch of swamp water...and I just made a huge mistake that I am hoping I will be able to correct...

Rather than 1:2 ounces to ounces, I did 1:2 grams to ounces. So essentially, 10 grams ABV (+a heaping pile of kief), to 16-20 ounces of everclear...when it should have been ml's right? After this soaks for 24 hours, do you think I can spend some time evaporating the everclear significantly down to pump up the strength?
 
ShadowLink12,

momofthegoons

vapor accessory addict
@Vaporator, the particulants in your GD wont hurt anything IMO, but is not particularly (no pun intended!) appetizing in the liquid that is left over. I would strain it out, personally. This needs to be done, prior to evaporation, so maybe next time?

Shadowlink, I would think that this batch might be a little weak. The kief will help though. General rule of thumb, you just cover the abv with everclear. The 1:2 ratio is more for cannabutter, if I'm not mistaken.
 
momofthegoons,
Sorry if this is covered earlier in the thread...

Is everclear or other similarly very high proof spirit necessary? Could 80 proof claro Tequila be used, or 86 proof bourbon for instance?
 
charliedontsurf,

momofthegoons

vapor accessory addict
My understanding is that the higher proof works better for breaking down the oils.

For instance, I've noticed a huge difference in using 151 instead of iso for cleaning. The resin breaks down really quickly with the 151. I would think that the premise would be the same in breaking down the left over actives in the abv. Stronger alcohol would work better. This is not to say that the 80 proof wouldn't work at all; just not as efficiently.
 
momofthegoons,

Tuck

Well-Known Member
Alcohol is the stuff that does the extraction magic. Alcohol proof is 2x the percentage amount of alcohol. So 80 proof alcohol is 40% alcohol and 60% flavors and water. People suggest higher proof liquors because you can extract more with less. Also when/if you evaporate, you will be able to do so faster without having to evaporate excess water.

If you plan to use 80-120 proof alcohol, I would look at a vodka, since it is for the most part flavorless.
 
Tuck,

fiarrhea

Vapor Dog
Made my 1st batch of swamp water this weekend as well! Holy cow. 24 gs of broooown abv (4 months worth, last months worth is all zap duff, first 3 from genie (hence the darkness). Covered it with 153 proof grain alc. soaked/stirred for 5 hours, strained and evapped down to 2.25 shots. 3 doses at 3/4 shot, 8 gs of abv per dose.

I took one dose when i woke up aty 130 on saturday. 1.5 hours in and im baked. 2 more hours still high as fuck. At this time i feel i am not in danger of feeling it too strongly so i took a second dose. So so so high. I did not need to vape anything until 9 pm sunday, felt high the whoooole time.

Im really glad i did it on a weekend because i wouldnt have been able to function at work.

Even though it was a very sleepy high (woke up at 6pm sunday), it was fan-goddamn-tastic.

Not sure when ill take my last dose, any ideas how long itll last at room temp in an air tight, stainless steel flask?
 
fiarrhea,

Vaporator

Member
I seem to get nothing but a very mild effect. I wonder if the Volcano just sucks all the good stuff out, leaving little for the Swamp Water.
 
Vaporator,

medme

ex-smoker by choice
i made some "green dragon" from 1/4oz of bud,,, i had to take half of it to feel a buzz(i'm a VERY HEAVY user).. so when i make my swamp water i'm going to save at least a qt. jar of ABV, and go from there, i'll evaporate it way down, i'm making the swam water to help me sleep... oh, and a friend of mine came over, he was cleaning his pipe, i added the resin to a shot of swamp water i made from a small batch(decided i needed more so thats why the qt. jar now) and is just dissolved, made the golden dark swamp water BLACK, now i know what to do with the wife's resin when i clean her pipe.... i hope when my jar is full and i add my little jar and all is done i get something that works... i'll let ya know how it works, WHEN i get my jar full.......... keep vaping!
 
medme,

MacRadish

Well-Known Member
medme said:
i'm going to save at least a qt. jar of ABV, and go from there,

A qt sized Ball canning jar can hold up to 131 grams of ABV.

BTDT, each time I had kept the ABV damp with Everclear though, not sure I would have been able to squeeze 131 grams of fluffy dry ABV into a qt jar without getting it damp first.
 
MacRadish,

medme

ex-smoker by choice
i'll probably save up the jar,,, and then do it twice with 1/2 jar each time,, to make it twice as strong from the get go... i'll have time to decide....
 
medme,

fiarrhea

Vapor Dog
so today i realized it was incredibly wasteful to have split my 24g tincture into 3 doses. i took a teeeny sip, like only enough to feel the alc burn on my tongue hardly enough to even swallow, out of my flask a couple hoursago and i am definately a little medicated. i could have drank a tiny bit every day for a couple weeks and felt goood. although it was still fun to be so over medicated.
 

fiarrhea

Vapor Dog
I was wondering whats the most amount youve ever put in a tincture, and how low could you evaporate it with it not becoming too syrupy to drink, or put in candy...my next venture.
 
fiarrhea,

Vitolo

Vaporist
fiarrhea said:
I was wondering whats the most amount youve ever put in a tincture, and how low could you evaporate it with it not becoming too syrupy to drink, or put in candy...my next venture.
I just finished another batch of ABV tincture.
I used a mason jar, that is my avb collection jar. It was a one quart jar that was exactly half full. The weed weighed approximatly 17 grams(just over a half ounce)
I covered it with everclear (190 proof-95%alc) completely and shook vigorously, then set the jar in the sun for two hours. I shook again very vigourously.
Next I folded a coffee filter in 1/4s to make a traditional funnel. I poked the funnelled filter into a seperate clean mason jar, and poured the dark alchohol mixture through.
I squeezed the hell out of the filter when it was done dripping, to get the last drops.
I then evaporated it
(I use a pot of not quite boiling water... and I set a pyrex measuring cup within that hot water, then turn on vent, and pour the tincture in the measuring cup.. it works fast)
About it not becoming too thick
When it is well evaporated, I pour it into a clear amber glass bottle that has an eyedropper.
I leave the top off the bottle and let the bottle sit open for the afternoon, near an open window so that a breeze can touch the open bottle.
I check the bottle every couple of hours.. by "swirling it" to see how it sticks to the bottle walls. if at any point it clings to the glass, and coats it- I stop. I add from the clean still unused dropper ONE drop of everclear. I am done.
If it just barely coats the bottle, but does not actually stick to the walls.. I stop and add nothing it is perfect.
You can test it, by using the eyedropper, and put one drip on a dish. touch it with finger, and then "contact thumb to forefinger tip a couple times to see if it starts liquid, but becomes tacky after a couple touches.
The mix today started with 17 grams of herb, and it rendered about a cup of dark colored ( green) everclear. After all evaporation and the mixture was thickish but not tacky to the touch.
The resulting tincture is just a little bit under 1/2 of this bottle.
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I put 4 drops under my tongue ( watch out.. very bitter) and an eyedropper full down my throat, and I get pretty buzzed. This can be used in a candy recipe too, , by proportioning the amount of tincture vs water... there is very little alchohol left now.
Yesterday I did this project but with a bit more abv. I did it with olive oil instead, of alcholol, and cooked the weed in the olive oil in the oven for 30 minutes at 300. then let it cool and I strained and squeezed out every drop (medical examining gloves and a collander. squeeze it like handfulls o f dirt!).
The brownies from this oil are cooking now ( Saturday Morning fun).
I already have had a glass of apple juice ( room temp works best) with a full dropper of tincture.
In answer to the main thing you asked.... about it becoming TOO thick. I do final evaporation in the pictured bottle. The small top of the bottle gives you VERY controlled evaporation!
Oh... the most amount I personally ever put in a tincture was 1.5 ounces of avb. remember... the everclear must cover the herb, and you will need to have vessels that will not be cumbersome when it is time to pour, and transfer, and filter. I never use a jar that can not be covered. Mason jars are a good size, and wide mouthed .. and if you need to step away, just cover them up.
Everclear is the highest proof alcohol you can get. always stay venilated!
 
Vitolo,

Vitolo

Vaporist
fiarrhea said:
@ vitolo
How much liquid did you end up with after the 1.5 oz tincture?
Exactly half of that pictured bottle. 15 ml.
The bottle was full to it's shoulder, when I started it's final evaporation.
The 15 ml (half that bottle) has about 10 "light buzz" doses or 3 " kapows"
(batches vary in strength accordingly)
 
Vitolo,

fiarrhea

Vapor Dog
WOW! you fit an ounce and a half of duff into that small amount of liquid? and it only gave you 3 kapow doses? I got 3 out of 24 grams of duff, darrrk duff at that.

Your post makes it seem likev only 17 grms went into that half bottle. I would think 2.5 times the amount of duff, 42g / 17 g, would need more liquid.
 
fiarrhea,

Vitolo

Vaporist
fiarrhea said:
WOW! you fit an ounce and a half of duff into that small amount of liquid? and it only gave you 3 kapow doses? I got 3 out of 24 grams of duff, darrrk duff at that.
Your post makes it seem likev only 17 grms went into that half bottle. I would think 2.5 times the amount of duff, 42g / 17 g, would need more liquid.
Please read again. That was correct. That 15 ml. of tincture WAS only from 17 grams ( just 0ver a half ounce) of AVB.
The comment about the 1.5 ounces was an answer to the question "what was the most amount I ever put in to make a tincture. I followed this by saying that I did not go over 1.5 ounces, since I want the alcohol to fully cover it.. and don't want the vessels to be heavy or cumbersome. 1.5 ounces (56 grams) would obviously make more than 15 ml.
This means that 1/2 of that little tiny brown bottle's liquid was made from 17 grams of herb.
I get 3 kapow (ass kick) doses from that little tiny half bottle, or I can just get a mild high a bunch of times.
I admit to having a high tolerance... I vape all day long, it helps my condition (spasticity nausea etc).
I think that getting 3 "kapows" out of half that bottle is a great reward for the work.
Sorry if my post was not clear.
 
Vitolo,
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