Discontinued Supreme Vaporizer

[BadDog No]

Pulled the trigger and should have my very own "El Supremo" in early August. I'm so confident of my ability to rig an alternate heat source that I'm not even going to buy a torch; well OK maybe later for a picnic or something, but not at home. You know those YouTube videos where the guy has a torch in each hand just blazing away on both sides of El Supremo? Picture me with a Steinel heat gun in one hand and a whip from the Arizer EQ in the other...No, you're right, I can't either. Either yes, but not both. Cool thing is they both have digital readouts so less guesstimation on heat and I can keep the EQ fan running on low. We'll see.

So one of the video reviewers on Youtube mentioned you have the choice to do the warmup either with it loaded or empty. He felt bigger clouds with a preheat of the "biomass" but said inserting after warmup gave a purer more convection experience. The instructions say insert first and let everything warm up, but I was wondering what you guys prefer?

 

[justvapin]

I have warmed up every bowl so far loaded. It gets so hot I just haven't tried or really thought about an empty preheat.
Guess I'll give it a whirl sometime.....on the first session of the day......

 

[GTAVaper]

I have used it both ways. But I will finish off a bowl at high temp ~210-215C and then as it cools past the point of vapor production for the high temp spent herb I will then load in a fresh tube using needle nose vice grips (grips covered in silicone tubing) to quick remove the hot bowl and load the new bowl in and rip it at less than 175 and thereby start the new bowl off with a lower temperature pure convection rip.

When I reheat later - it is with the tube still installed and reheating to 185 or so still accesses most of the vapour fraction at that temperature since the first hit was so mild because the act of inserting a new tube will speed up the rate of cooling. Pop in a fresh tube at 190C and pretty soon it is at 175 without even hauling on it as the bowl's thermal mass pulls heat into the cooler new metal bowl.

 

[NevadaPradah]

Hey Nevada,
Too wrecked to give us a virgin's
update !?

Lol. Well it took me multiple hours to figure out.
And I'm still having some user error.
i need to do more experimenting later today.

But ok so, after a few attempts, the 1 successful hit i got literally had me more high than in a year or more
if i can get this vape to hit like that every time then i have most definitely found my new favorite toy!!!!!!!
No other would compare


But, i have to figure out what I'm doing wrong
Because i need this vape in my life

i feel that my user error is how I'm packing the bowl.
The drag just feels a little more restrictive than in my other vapes.

Im supposed to stuff 100% of the bowl with whole nugs correct?
Place bowl into Sv3
Heat up to ~215C
Then, start to inhale?

i didn't try grinded material yet, but i will today.
Maybe I'm just not used to whole nugs?
When using whole nugs, they get crammed into the tube correct? Or am i supposed to break up the nugs into smaller sized chunks to where it has more air flow?

This is not my review, because i haven't figured out this vape entirely yet, but i will say the 1 successful hit i had really did leave an amazing impression on me.
As i literally stop testing out the unit just to enjoy the high that i have missed
Then after some food, it was time to hit the sheets!


But no doubt, more testing will go on today.
Hopefully i get my user error solved. If so, i will be super super happy

Any advice?

 

[vapirtoo]

Just place the nugs in the tube do not press them in at all ,heat to around 180-185 and see what happens.
There should be minor restriction , but the pull should be easy

 

[nosmoking]

Or am i supposed to break up the nugs into smaller sized chunks to where it has more air flow?

This is the correct way. I find if I stuff oversized pieces in they will greatly restrict air flow and vapor production. It also often results with the heater side of my ABV very dark and the latter side is still green or yellow.

To prevent this it is best to use nugs that are more cylindrical shaped rather than spherical and have a diameter slightly less than that of the Supreme loading tube. As vapirtoo said, you should not need to push the nugs in. Just drop them in and they should pretty much slide down. A little help may be neccessary but you should never feel like your cramming it in.

 

[NevadaPradah]

Just place the nugs in the tube do not press them in at all ,heat to around 180-185 and see what happens.
There should be minor restriction , but the pull should be easy

This is the correct way. I find if I stuff oversized pieces in they will greatly restrict air flow and vapor production. It also often results with the heater side of my ABV very dark and the latter side is still green or yellow.

To prevent this it is best to use nugs that are more cylindrical shaped rather than spherical and have a diameter slightly less than that of the Supreme loading tube. As vapirtoo said, you should not need to push the nugs in. Just drop them in and they should pretty much slide down. A little help may be neccessary but you should never feel like your cramming it in.

Good to hear. i really hope this is my issue.
i kinda feel that i was cramming..

So you do load 100% of the bowl tube correct?

 

[subway13029]

I use small nugs when i use my mestizo adapter but i tend to grind my material when using with the stick bowls..and i heat the block up to temp then i insert my bowl and my god.the convective taste and the clouds start rolling in..i heat with bowl inserted only when i top it off with some concentrates for.that extra bit of heat..

And i only load about half of tube..

 

[justvapin]

Yep, I like to tear the bud by hand for the supreme, and drop small pieces in the bowl close to the top (usually about 3/4 full) then insert into the vape. It should not feel very restricted. This vape is very easy to use once you figure out the technique, and I find that I can get perfectly consistent results time after time, regardless of bud quality or moistness etc.......I love that you can get decent hits from lesser quality bud. Also, starting at 215c is probably a bit high, I'd heat up to about 180-185 as stated above and go from there.

 

[nosmoking]

Yep, I like to tear the bud by hand for the supreme, and drop small pieces in the bowl close to the top (usually about 3/4 full) then insert into the vape. It should not feel very restricted. This vape is very easy to use once you figure out the technique, and I find that I can get perfectly consistent results time after time, regardless of bud quality or moistness etc.......I love that you can get decent hits fro
m lesser quality bud. Also, starting at 215c is probably a bit high, I'd heat up to about 180-185 as stated above and go from there.

Nailed it. Thats how I have always been doing it. I tried every other method of pack and temp but what justvapin has said is the method I find myself going back to for the best flavor and effect.

 

[GTAVaper]

Yep, I like to tear the bud by hand for the supreme, and drop small pieces in the bowl close to the top (usually about 3/4 full) then insert into the vape. It should not feel very restricted. This vape is very easy to use once you figure out the technique, and I find that I can get perfectly consistent results time after time, regardless of bud quality or moistness etc.......I love that you can get decent hits from lesser quality bud. Also, starting at 215c is probably a bit high, I'd heat up to about 180-185 as stated above and go from there.

When I do nugs I do pretty well the same thing. Nugs will fill more of the chamber since they are fluffed up from the equivalent tamped ground load.

I only fill to near the top with ground herb if the herb is crap......I had some crap herb given to me that I can extract with the Supreme but is too frustrating to deal with in other vaporizers......very mellow lift that is good for some situations but not what you want for most.

Just load the tube about 2/3 to 3/4 full (from the indent to the top of the bowl - not including the lower part of the bowl before the indent) with broken pieces of nugs that slide easily into the tube (no cramming required) and then pull the screen out again and weigh what you have.

Then grind some more of the same herb and weigh out the same amount and then fill and tamp (lightly to densify a little) and then try these bowls back to back (preferably with a friend since that will be a lot of vapour at once) and then compare the draw, the total amount of vapour, the intensity of the vapour and decide what you prefer more.

The one thing about loading nugs is that it is quick, no grinder required (but make sure the herb is dried properly for vaporizer usage) and you can mix varieties more easily.

But there really is no wrong way to load a bowl ......except if you pack/cram too tightly and restrict the airflow too much.

Just keep playing with your loading options and you will find what you like.

I usually start at about 180C and hit that until the temp drops and then either reheat immediately to about 190....or wait until I want more later.

Then for my third and last extraction I heat to anywhere between 205 and 215C and finish things off at that temp and then if I still want a little more I will insert a loaded tube into the cooling Supreme at around 190C (when I am no longer getting vapour from the high temp hits) and hit is for a couple of cooler, low temp hits at about 165-170C - since loading a cold tube into a cooling unit will drop the temp from 190 to around 170C fairly quickly.

 

[justvapin]

I've loaded a couple of coarse ground loads.......if you don't pack tight, it works fine......almost too good.....If I do that, seems I finish the bowl in significantly less hits......BIG, POWERFUL, LUNG BUSTING HITS......

 

[sam urai]

Another approach I HIGHLY suggest is to start lower:
round 1: 145C, round 2: 165C, round 3: 180C

Two hits each round, provides a full spectrum dominance high.

 

[GTAVaper]

Another approach I HIGHLY suggest is to start lower:
round 1: 145C, round 2: 165C, round 3: 180C

Two hits each round, provides a full spectrum dominance high.

But what about the 200C+ finishing hit? Have you never went higher than 180?

If so, then I don't believe that you have captured the full spectrum, since more excellent vapour comes off at just over the 200C mark.

But perhaps you just don't like the higher temp effects that are more closely aligned to the effects of smoking your herb......but without the nasty taste?

 

[sam urai]

But what about the 200C+ finishing hit? Have you never went higher than 180?

Haha you exposed the truth, I HAVE NOT sampled above 200 (lowers head in shame).
The Blazer GB2001 torch has the temps rising the whole time i'm taking a pull but haven't gone past 195C. Will take your advice and report back!

Starting at 180 and above is awesome but like others have stated, material is spent after one or two hits. So starting lower can prolong the ineveitable and at least keep your mind guessing.

Variety makes life that much more enjoyable.

 

[NevadaPradah]

Yeah this thing does hit hard. obviously as its taken me long to post my review

i was stuffing the nugs too much too so i took me a day to figure it out

i kinda like grinded material with 2 plug nugs. 1 up front and 1 in the back

but i switch it up sometimes to only nugs

but yeah i like it a lot. just took some adjustment and experimentation

extraction rate is super fast. will whitewall a piece pretty fast. almost instantly.

i took a hit at around 450 F and didn't combust. it was black abv with a tad bit of ash, but not much at all, and also there was no spark/ignition in the material which is awesome to know

i did it by accident also. i usually never want to chance combustion

but i have been hitting it otherwise around 400 F - 430 F

i usually dump it and repack and 1 hit, but it depends on how big of a hit i took.

it definitely packs a punch. hard hitter thats for sure

i really recommend 2 bowls. More if you want

i use them with the red seals so i can pull them out by hand. no other tools required to remove the bowl

vapor flavor is fantastic on low temps from the few hits i had at 347 F by accident

and it does good for the high temps too

cloud size is above average as said already in other post

i cant wait to test out concentrates

be careful not to torch the temp sensor wires. its somewhat easy to do.

be careful not to burn your self with the block or tube too

pulling out the vape from your piece can sometimes be difficult but if you stick the seal just enough and not too much into the piece's joint then it will be easier to pull out when it time to clear the hit

worth the $170? Yes

This will be my main weekend vape.

it would be great for the outdoors and nature trips too

thanks Ed for the freakin awesome device!

and also thank to FC for the recommendation!

 

[GTAVaper]

Yeah.....the Supreme is AWESOME

I believe that you have the new (reported) record for a high temperature hit.....I've only went as high as the 220's or so - I think I posted what it was in an earlier post here.

I actually thought it was alright at that temp even though I was worried about nearing combustion - just a little toasty tasting.

I only hit it accidentally through a moment of inattention with the Blazer Big Shot since I would normally keep my last high temp hit landing somewhere between 210C and 220C (410 to 428) in my aim to reach the magic number of 215C which is 420F

But it is nice to know that even if I screw up more than I have already with my last high temp hit ......that there is a little bit more headroom before things go completely to ashes.

Good to hear that you are loving the Supreme V3 .......this vape is a hidden gem that everyone who gets one - loves it - but it is almost a word of mouth spreading of the Supreme Gospel .....lol

Almost makes me want to break out the colander and commune with the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster through the assistance of my Supreme Vapour Vessel

 

[Mister G]

I never thought I'd say this about ANY vaporizer but the Supreme v3 is almost TOO STRONG.

Who am I kidding, I love this aspect of the device, but you do really need to think ahead when you use it and ask yourself if whatever you're doing immediately afterwards can still be done effectively being that medicated.

It continues to surprise sometimes, especially when I use top shelf. This thing has really spoiled me, everything else often seems too weak by comparison.

 

[vapirtoo]

Mr.G
That is some vaporist wisdom.
As Clint Eastwood would say, " A man has to know his limitations ".
This vape hits so hard that I really would not want to drive my car .
On another thread I boasted about never having a car accident while high. I can drive really well high, but this vape is so enveloping that my wife ( fucking Mario Andretti ) would have to take the wheel.
I only light this up when I'm in total do nothing mode.
Last comment, I have been inserting the bowl but just enough to stay put and heating the block and then easily pushing in the bowl for the first full convection hit at 170 the actual drawing in temp.
I then do like you folks and ramp up the heat with the bowl inserted.
Practice practice practice

 

[Grizzly_Adams]

ok so im getting wispy vapor again still large amount of vapor but its very wispy i kinda thinking its the new flowers i have but i my block is kinda leaning to the left and makes me question the sensors and i do have a good buzz from 2 hits. but i just dont understand why i cant get thick clouds my bud isnt even damp? i have a new piece and its a fritted perc and it could be clean right now but anyone think it could be that?

So i just checked my bud and shined my led on it and not very crystaly so found the proplem its a shame such a pretty flower

 

[NevadaPradah]

I seem to be going through more material than usual with this vape.

Anyone else also?

Maybe i should not fill it up all the way?

 

[subway13029]

I only fill about halfway..maybe an 1/8 of a gram and i usually get 3 monster hits and im ripped for hours. I usually go through less bud with the s3..

 

[vapirtoo]

Very small nugs yield 3 super hits when I turn off my torches at 170.
What color is the ABV from this weak herb because usually even poor herb gives great clouds.
You may have to reposition your temp sensor.

 

[NevadaPradah]

I only fill about halfway..maybe an 1/8 of a gram and i usually get 3 monster hits and im ripped for hours. I usually go through less bud with the s3..

Yeah I've still been experimenting with my favorite way to load. And when i was grinding i was using more than with the whole nugs. Hits are just as thick with nugs, plus the flavor is better to me when using with whole nugs for sure.

When using grinded material, sometimes the abv would come out in a cylinder stuck together as if it were whole nugs had been loaded, but even with the fully shredded material put in, the blast of heat the Sv3 has just cooks the load like crazy

Its not difficult to take back to back hits either. Just grab the red seal, twist and pull
The tube slides out with ease this way, and then just insert the next tube

i just love how fast its extraction is.
Now it seems all the other vapes usually take too much time to get the vapor going
This is much more similar to a bong or dab hit since its milks my piece literally instantly
Anyone else getting much more vapor condensation in their pieces than usual or just me?
I've had to clean my pieces much more than usual these past few days
im assuming its because of all that vapor thats been running in it

Honestly, my only complaint is its a torch vape
But this is just because plug ins are way better for my life
Plus not to mention.. I'm so scared of torches

Electric Sv3???
PLEASE

 

[shaolinmilk]

Yeah I've still been experimenting with my favorite way to load. And when i was grinding i was using more than with the whole nugs. Hits are just as thick with nugs, plus the flavor is better to me when using with whole nugs for sure.

When using grinded material, sometimes the abv would come out in a cylinder stuck together as if it were whole nugs had been loaded, but even with the fully shredded material put in, the blast of heat the Sv3 has just cooks the load like crazy

Its not difficult to take back to back hits either. Just grab the red seal, twist and pull
The tube slides out with ease this way, and then just insert the next tube

i just love how fast its extraction is.
Now it seems all the other vapes usually take too much time to get the vapor going
This is much more similar to a bong or dab hit since its milks my piece literally instantly
Anyone else getting much more vapor condensation in their pieces than usual or just me?
I've had to clean my pieces much more than usual these past few days
im assuming its because of all that vapor thats been running in it

Honestly, my only complaint is its a torch vape
But this is just because plug ins are way better for my life
Plus not to mention.. I'm so scared of torches

Electric Sv3???
PLEASE

When I use the SV3, I definitely have to clean my bong much more frequently/often. Nothing in my arsenal can get me as medicated as the SV3. It's just another level.

If I were to rate my top 3 in terms of how high you get, it would be like this:

1. Supreme V3 by a mile
2. Cloud EVO
3. Sticky Brick

The big downside like you said... it's a butane vape! So many things can go wrong... I always have to be extra careful when using the SV3, however I use it at the end of the night because it can bring me to uncomfortable levels like dabs and edibles can.