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PeteSeattle
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Ok cool. Just wanted to clarify.
justvapin
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I was looking at all the glass pieces I had last night when it hit me. I took the glass tube I've been using, and was able to attach the 18mm male stem I got from @DDave to the end of it simply using a piece of silicone tubing. It's a tad long (5 inches), but works a charm. I mean excellent. I pushed the 2 glass pieces completely together, so in essence it is a complete glass path. I can now put the Supreme into my bubbler, and it will sit there no hands perfectly straight. It's not wobbly or anything. A perfect prototype, just a little long. However, the length is also a bonus to some extent, as it is really easy to handle right after a hit (no heat on bottom half).
This works so well. Cannot believe I had all the parts to do this for months and never thought of it. I can also swap out a 14mm stem no problem.
I am more anxious than ever to get a real one-piece glass stem, in both 14 and 18mm.
This works so well. Cannot believe I had all the parts to do this for months and never thought of it. I can also swap out a 14mm stem no problem.
I am more anxious than ever to get a real one-piece glass stem, in both 14 and 18mm.
PeteSeattle
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Hi all,
I'll have to purchase the 18mm forming tool. Probably won't be until next month after I get paid.
This week has been both productive and frustrating. My 14mm joint former broke on me. So while I've got a good amount of 14mm stems I'll probably send what I have until I can buy new tools.
I must confess initially I thought "no problem ... I can get it out in a week." Well, reality sets in and it's not a one week deal. Learned my lesson ... be more realistic about turn around time.
Hope you all have a great weekend and to those in the US a solemn Memorial Day (always sounds weird to say, "Happy Memorial Day").
justvapin
Enthusiastic Cannabis Consumer
OK, so now I took the 14mm stem I got from @DDave and mentioned earlier (the one that came with the concentration station and happens to fit in the Supreme, but has a glass screen on the end etc....), and I got out my dremel, mask, diamond cutting wheel, and glasses....and I cut the glass screen off of it! (SORRY @DDave !! But it was in the name of science and I just had to try it 
) Way easier than I thought it would be, by miles......
I tried to fit a screen up in it to create a "bowl", and had success, but that restricted the draw too much......didn't really work well no matter how I positioned the screen, or what type of screen I tried, but did work. SO......I got out my torch, and heated up the 14mm stem right at the point I needed it, and took a straight needle, and............. I pushed a pinch into the stem!!!!! I cannot believe I did this.....seriously, I actually pushed a pretty decent pinch into the stem. It is nearly perfect. I had no idea what I was doing, and have no idea how it will hold up. But damn, I did it.
Although the "bowl" is a tiny bit smaller than I'd like (I really like huge hits), I now have a perfect working 14mm stem. To be honest, I still like the 18mm I fashioned earlier, as it is even less restricted, but this 14mm also works extremely well.
I continue to have difficulty containing my excitement for the prospect of the stems being created by the glass masters in this thread.
Edit: Just tried the 14mm with my Mobius NUC.....what a nice pairing. I'm in vape heaven at the moment.......
) Way easier than I thought it would be, by miles......I tried to fit a screen up in it to create a "bowl", and had success, but that restricted the draw too much......didn't really work well no matter how I positioned the screen, or what type of screen I tried, but did work. SO......I got out my torch, and heated up the 14mm stem right at the point I needed it, and took a straight needle, and............. I pushed a pinch into the stem!!!!! I cannot believe I did this.....seriously, I actually pushed a pretty decent pinch into the stem. It is nearly perfect. I had no idea what I was doing, and have no idea how it will hold up. But damn, I did it.
Although the "bowl" is a tiny bit smaller than I'd like (I really like huge hits), I now have a perfect working 14mm stem. To be honest, I still like the 18mm I fashioned earlier, as it is even less restricted, but this 14mm also works extremely well.
I continue to have difficulty containing my excitement for the prospect of the stems being created by the glass masters in this thread.
Edit: Just tried the 14mm with my Mobius NUC.....what a nice pairing. I'm in vape heaven at the moment.......
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justvapin
Enthusiastic Cannabis Consumer
So a new day, and a new discovery....I had originally ordered 2 of the straight glass Vapolution stems to use with the Supreme, and was planning to cut them down someday. Then @VAPEHUNTER offered some for sale that were already cut ( I am pretty sure he ordered bent stems and cut them as opposed to the straight stems I ordered), so I bought a couple of those, and put away the ones I had for another day.
I wanted to try to shorten the 18mm set up I had made (couple posts back) as much as possible, and decided that with my new found glass cutting ability and bit of knowledge, I would go ahead and finally cut those long stems I had. And I could shorten them a by about 1/3" on the end that goes into the silicone, which is why I was anxious to try it.
When comparing stems to decide on length, I noticed it.......these straight stems I had were made of really thin glass. Much thinner than the stems I got from @VAPEHUNTER (remember--he used bent stems). Which made the inside of the tube (THE BOWL) noticeably larger......and the draw restriction was significantly less!!! By quite a bit. That has always been the issue with these glass tubes to me----- the draw restriction! The aluminum bowls/stem don't have as much issue with this, unless you pack them too tight.
These 2 straight stems I have are darn near as thin walled as the aluminum. They really are thin. I know they will be fragile, but I feel like this is a huge improvement. I don't want thick walled glass here. Better airflow is king for me. If I break these, I can easily make more (another bonus).
So I got out the dremel and safety gear, and BAM, I had them both cut in minutes. It is really so easy to cut this glass I am amazed. Then I polished the edges with my torch, another 15 seconds each or so, and I had 2 more glass bowls.
I put the shorter one onto my 18mm glass stem, and now have a 4 1/2 inch or so stem for the Supreme! And I can load quite a bit more without restricting the draw, and it hits EVEN better because of the improvement in draw. I am probably going to take another 1/3" off the 18mm stem portion so I can have this down to about 4 inches total.
My Supreme is now actually performing better with this thin glass. Makes a large difference. The draw restriction with this particular glass is identical to what I experience with the original aluminum tubes.
I just want to stress that the draw restriction improvement seems dramatic to me. The setup I have now is absolutely perfect.
SO, going forward, I suppose a design consideration that I can now say is critical will be the thickness of the glass used for the bowl portion. Ideally, the thinner here the better, but I understand breakage will still have to considered as well.
P.S.....none of this is meant to be any kind of slight toward the tubes I got from @VAPEHUNTER...they were perfect in every way!!!! ....I'm just pointing out the difference in the thickness of the glass...
I wanted to try to shorten the 18mm set up I had made (couple posts back) as much as possible, and decided that with my new found glass cutting ability and bit of knowledge, I would go ahead and finally cut those long stems I had. And I could shorten them a by about 1/3" on the end that goes into the silicone, which is why I was anxious to try it.
When comparing stems to decide on length, I noticed it.......these straight stems I had were made of really thin glass. Much thinner than the stems I got from @VAPEHUNTER (remember--he used bent stems). Which made the inside of the tube (THE BOWL) noticeably larger......and the draw restriction was significantly less!!! By quite a bit. That has always been the issue with these glass tubes to me----- the draw restriction! The aluminum bowls/stem don't have as much issue with this, unless you pack them too tight.
These 2 straight stems I have are darn near as thin walled as the aluminum. They really are thin. I know they will be fragile, but I feel like this is a huge improvement. I don't want thick walled glass here. Better airflow is king for me. If I break these, I can easily make more (another bonus).
So I got out the dremel and safety gear, and BAM, I had them both cut in minutes. It is really so easy to cut this glass I am amazed. Then I polished the edges with my torch, another 15 seconds each or so, and I had 2 more glass bowls.
I put the shorter one onto my 18mm glass stem, and now have a 4 1/2 inch or so stem for the Supreme! And I can load quite a bit more without restricting the draw, and it hits EVEN better because of the improvement in draw. I am probably going to take another 1/3" off the 18mm stem portion so I can have this down to about 4 inches total.
My Supreme is now actually performing better with this thin glass. Makes a large difference. The draw restriction with this particular glass is identical to what I experience with the original aluminum tubes.
I just want to stress that the draw restriction improvement seems dramatic to me. The setup I have now is absolutely perfect.
SO, going forward, I suppose a design consideration that I can now say is critical will be the thickness of the glass used for the bowl portion. Ideally, the thinner here the better, but I understand breakage will still have to considered as well.
P.S.....none of this is meant to be any kind of slight toward the tubes I got from @VAPEHUNTER...they were perfect in every way!!!! ....I'm just pointing out the difference in the thickness of the glass...
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PeteSeattle
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So the glass I'm using is the same as what @VAPEHUNTER sent me. That's 9mm with 1.5mm walls allowing 6mm of chamber.
If I were to order thinner 9mm glass (I guessing you used 1mm walls) I can try it out.
How durable is the tube you're mod? You're right about the chances of frequent breakage.
Is there any way you can post photos to go with your detailed experience?
Thanks!
justvapin
Enthusiastic Cannabis Consumer
I'm not keen on photos here, but I can get them to you another way if you want to PM me.....yeah, they are
definitely not the 1.5mm glass, likely 1mm, not sure but noticeably thinner and much more volume in the bowl.......and WAY better airflow.
The ones I cut down are these, the 9mm ones....read about what they even say about draw and bowl size:
https://vapolution.com/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=VAP2-STRAIGHT-BOWL
Using a 2/3" piece of silicone, I mate it to the @DDave 18mm stem, like the one seen here......
https://www.ddavemods.com/store/p14/Milaana_Stem_Mod_Kit_V1.html
There is barely a seam between the two using the silicone, just makes it one 4 inch stem that sits on my bubbler as if it were one piece. Phenomenal.
EDIT:: these are the ones @VAPEHUNTER cut his stems from:
https://vapolution.com/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=VAP2-BENT-BOWL
Check what it says, "they are 50% thicker than their straight bowls"....that explains it perfectly!!! His are 1.5mm and the straight ones I have and linked here are 1mm!!!! Never noticed that before.
Makes a HUGE difference.
definitely not the 1.5mm glass, likely 1mm, not sure but noticeably thinner and much more volume in the bowl.......and WAY better airflow.
The ones I cut down are these, the 9mm ones....read about what they even say about draw and bowl size:
https://vapolution.com/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=VAP2-STRAIGHT-BOWL
Using a 2/3" piece of silicone, I mate it to the @DDave 18mm stem, like the one seen here......
https://www.ddavemods.com/store/p14/Milaana_Stem_Mod_Kit_V1.html
There is barely a seam between the two using the silicone, just makes it one 4 inch stem that sits on my bubbler as if it were one piece. Phenomenal.
EDIT:: these are the ones @VAPEHUNTER cut his stems from:
https://vapolution.com/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=VAP2-BENT-BOWL
Check what it says, "they are 50% thicker than their straight bowls"....that explains it perfectly!!! His are 1.5mm and the straight ones I have and linked here are 1mm!!!! Never noticed that before.
Makes a HUGE difference.
Gray Area
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@justvapin thanks man, that's good to know (that the straight stems have thinner walls).
I have exactly the same issue with @VAPEHUNTER 's cut down bent stems... the restriction is so much more fun with the stock aluminium ones...
@PeteSeattle I'd prefer as large an ID as possible, but dunno how easy it'd be forming the joint from 1mm thick tubing... that pinch would be pretty thin too...
I'd be considering blowing the joint separately using bigger/thicker walled tubing and welding the tubing to it afterwards
You'd also be able to drop the pinch and just add a couple of dots around the bottom of the tube before making the weld..?
Just a thought
keep up the good work man 
I have exactly the same issue with @VAPEHUNTER 's cut down bent stems... the restriction is so much more fun with the stock aluminium ones...
@PeteSeattle I'd prefer as large an ID as possible, but dunno how easy it'd be forming the joint from 1mm thick tubing... that pinch would be pretty thin too...
I'd be considering blowing the joint separately using bigger/thicker walled tubing and welding the tubing to it afterwards
You'd also be able to drop the pinch and just add a couple of dots around the bottom of the tube before making the weld..?
Just a thought
keep up the good work man
PeteSeattle
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Thanks for everyone's input. I have 10mm with 1mm walls that I can play with in the flame before committing to 9mm. There is a method of condensing the glass on one end to thicken the glass up for the 14/18mm joint.@justvapin thanks man, that's good to know (that the straight stems have thinner walls).
I have exactly the same issue with @VAPEHUNTER 's cut down bent stems... the restriction is so much more fun with the stock aluminium ones...
@PeteSeattle I'd prefer as large an ID as possible, but dunno how easy it'd be forming the joint from 1mm thick tubing... that pinch would be pretty thin too...
I'd be considering blowing the joint separately using bigger/thicker walled tubing and welding the tubing to it afterwards
You'd also be able to drop the pinch and just add a couple of dots around the bottom of the tube before making the weld..?
Just a thought
I'm going to try it tomorrow... taking advantage of this holiday weekend as much as I can
justvapin
Enthusiastic Cannabis Consumer
^^^ Ahhhhh, closer and closer.....
@PeteSeattle you asked about how durable I thought the 1mm glass is.....I think it is fine the way I am using it. If dropped on a hard surface it might break, but I did drop it on my deck (wood) and it survived, so there's that......I doubt I will ever break one to be honest. But if there was a male end attached, making it longer, it would likely be even more fragile.
Just don't drop it.
@PeteSeattle you asked about how durable I thought the 1mm glass is.....I think it is fine the way I am using it. If dropped on a hard surface it might break, but I did drop it on my deck (wood) and it survived, so there's that......I doubt I will ever break one to be honest. But if there was a male end attached, making it longer, it would likely be even more fragile.
Just don't drop it.
PeteSeattle
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Oh, btw ... I thought it'd be interesting to show you all how I score and just snap glass in a studio.
(Vid is not mine ... just for visual reference)
(Vid is not mine ... just for visual reference)
Gray Area
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@justvapin does that straight glass vapolution bowl have a pinch already... like the bent ones we've been using (kind of looks like it on the picture)?
VAPEHUNTER
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Don't worry man, I'm not taking anything personal. It's just evolution at it's finest.
I'm very excited about the way things have progressed over the past few days. I'm all for anything that improves airflow.
PeteSeattle
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Hiya all! Hope the weekend treated you right.
I've been in contact with DDave and he is busy with a lot of projects so we're on our own.
I haven't moved forward until DD and I had some communication between us. So I have a lot of gongs without any dimpling.
I think so far let's stick with 14mm while I try out the 18mm.
These wall are 1.5mm as original. I'll need my paycheck in a few days to get more tools and supplies
I know everyone loves pics so here's so glass mod porn ...
... mind you, some of them will be going back into production just because I don't like some.
Anyway, hang in there all!
I've been in contact with DDave and he is busy with a lot of projects so we're on our own.
I haven't moved forward until DD and I had some communication between us. So I have a lot of gongs without any dimpling.
I think so far let's stick with 14mm while I try out the 18mm.
These wall are 1.5mm as original. I'll need my paycheck in a few days to get more tools and supplies
I know everyone loves pics so here's so glass mod porn ...
... mind you, some of them will be going back into production just because I don't like some.
Anyway, hang in there all!
justvapin
Enthusiastic Cannabis Consumer
So I ordered these from @DDave :
https://www.ddavemods.com/store/p52/Quad_(4)_Preload_18mm_Stem_Pack.html
I was hoping to get lucky and they would fit into the Supreme. Guess what---they do! If they were longer and had a dimple at the point the stem gets slim, we'd have a bowl. BUT----the glass in the stem is 1.5mm thick at least, and the draw restriction is once again quite limited. But it does fit.
I actually ordered these just to see if they would fit, and also to cut down and use with the set-up I have outlined above. So I cut about 3/4 inch off of one of them, and attached it to the bowl portion I have (which I also cut down as far as I could), and now I have a working set-up that is exactly 3 7/8 inches long.
I am using the thin walled stem/bowl, and I simply cannot stress enough how excellent this is. Getting it shorter didn't change anything except making it more user friendly. The reduced draw restriction is what makes all the difference.
Can't wait to see the final product @PeteSeattle comes up with. It is going to be phenomenal.
https://www.ddavemods.com/store/p52/Quad_(4)_Preload_18mm_Stem_Pack.html
I was hoping to get lucky and they would fit into the Supreme. Guess what---they do! If they were longer and had a dimple at the point the stem gets slim, we'd have a bowl. BUT----the glass in the stem is 1.5mm thick at least, and the draw restriction is once again quite limited. But it does fit.
I actually ordered these just to see if they would fit, and also to cut down and use with the set-up I have outlined above. So I cut about 3/4 inch off of one of them, and attached it to the bowl portion I have (which I also cut down as far as I could), and now I have a working set-up that is exactly 3 7/8 inches long.
I am using the thin walled stem/bowl, and I simply cannot stress enough how excellent this is. Getting it shorter didn't change anything except making it more user friendly. The reduced draw restriction is what makes all the difference.
Can't wait to see the final product @PeteSeattle comes up with. It is going to be phenomenal.
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PeteSeattle
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Hey! That's is great information
subway13029
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this thread can be so confusing with no pics of all of these glass setups that all of yall are using..i just wanna see a supremem with the glass stems inserted..
PeteSeattle
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I second this as I don't own one. Does anyone have a non-functioning model for test fitting? How easy is it to contact Ed?
VAPEHUNTER
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I don't think there is such a thing as a "non-functional" Supreme vaporizer. I think it would take someone deliberately trying to destroy it to make it not be able to function.
PeteSeattle
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Thank you!
I don't think there is such a thing as a "non-functional" Supreme vaporizer. I think it would take someone deliberately trying to destroy it to make it not be able to function.
Also I was looking at this wondering if we can come up with something similar from this post to a thread. Some of you may be part of that conversation.