Tek Spiderman's Oil Extravaganza!

StickyShisha2

Well-Known Member
the Wikipedia page on extracts and BHO mentioned using R134a refrigerant as a solvent option. Anyone know anything about this?
at the autopart store they sell many different pressure-cans of 134a. Most of them contain some kind of PAG oil lube or "O" ring conditioners or stopleak or red dye.

i got a can that didn't say anything about additives. Sprayed a bunch, liquid, into a glass pie dish, and let it boil off. It seems to be clean, but i still don't know if i trust it.

i like the idea of using a gas that can put out a fire instead of one thats extremely flammable.
 
StickyShisha2,

quomist

Rock the Casbah
Made an OG Kush run with toastytoast yesterday and here is what we got:

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quomist,

B.

War Criminal
this thread needs some revivin
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i have found that even after running bud twice i cant get more than 12 or 13%.

I use an okief tube.

any tips? i pack tight. how dry do you go? does it need to be so dry its brittle and fragile?i havent dried it out that much, just left it in the open for a day.


does the SSTB give better yeild %s?
 
B.,

StickyShisha2

Well-Known Member
B. said:
i have found that even after running bud twice i cant get more than 12 or 13%.

I use an okief tube.

any tips? i pack tight. how dry do you go? does it need to be so dry its brittle and fragile?i havent dried it out that much, just left it in the open for a day.


does the SSTB give better yeild %s?

i've gotten as much as 20% with the SSTB, but it is with top quality herb.
 
StickyShisha2,

StickyShisha2

Well-Known Member
i was thinking of cutting the top end off of an empty butane can to make an extracting tube. a can opener should do the job nicely.
 
StickyShisha2,

VWFringe

Naruto Fan
StickyShisha said:
the Wikipedia page on extracts and BHO mentioned using R134a refrigerant as a solvent option. Anyone know anything about this?
at the autopart store they sell many different pressure-cans of 134a. Most of them contain some kind of PAG oil lube or "O" ring conditioners or stopleak or red dye.

i got a can that didn't say anything about additives. Sprayed a bunch, liquid, into a glass pie dish, and let it boil off. It seems to be clean, but i still don't know if i trust it.

i like the idea of using a gas that can put out a fire instead of one thats extremely flammable.

i think what you're getting at here is a super-critical fluid extraction, I've been reading a bit about them, I'm not sure, but it seemed like you could use a pressure vessel and dry ice, just need a way to drain off the fluid. Mycotopia or other boards will probably have more info on alternate fluids that are available, but a quick google shows several threads about R134a (didn't read them tho).

i know that was a while back but wanted to add my dry ice thing - it lead me to learning about the dry ice hash process - that seems to be the ticket for herbs (not ABV), just dry ice and a bubble bag, too easy.
 
VWFringe,

weedemon

enthusiast
I did a run of BHO last night

with 11.5 grams of master kush nugs. got 1.8 grams out of my first wash going to do the 2nd one tonight. 15.6% return so far. not to bad.

Man o man is this stuff tasty though. I was very pleasantly surprised!

How do you guys know when the herb is spent and it's not worth doing any more washes?

about vaccum sealing how about this?

http://www.shoptoit.ca/foodsaver-na.../17597172?postalCode=n4n-3v1#InstoreRetailers
 
weedemon,

eddyfrancis

Active Member
weedemon said:
How do you guys know when the herb is spent and it's not worth doing any more washes?

I've been wondering about that too. Usually I just run it through till the butane comes out clear. :shrug:
 
eddyfrancis,

StickyShisha2

Well-Known Member
eddyfrancis said:
weedemon said:
How do you guys know when the herb is spent and it's not worth doing any more washes?

I've been wondering about that too. Usually I just run it through till the butane comes out clear. :shrug:

as was i, but a friend took that spent herb, ground it and ran it again. and got some greenish creamy oil.
 
StickyShisha2,

weedemon

enthusiast
very cool :) im gonna do a run of super OG kush tonight i think.


I was just goggling for more machines to do this then i remembered from my own jam making days just heat up the jars! It works on the principal that hot air takes up the same amount of space as less air at room temp. so when the air inside cools, it will create a slight vaccum. not good enough?

like this:
http://www.ehow.com/how_5650286_vacuum-seal-mason-jar.html


WIll this work or will the empty space to too large for it to be effective?
 
weedemon,

B.

War Criminal
i have a vaccum marinator that is way bigger than a jam jar, and I can get a gram of bho to react, so i don't think volume is a concern. i only did a vaccum purge a couple times, i am cool with the results of just the regular purge, i use an electric skillet on low.
 
B.,

eddyfrancis

Active Member
Made a batch of wax yesterday, forgot to weigh the green but didn't get a full run anyway as the stuff was so sticky it all started to work its way through the coffee filters. In the mean time while I find another type of screen, I managed to get 6 grams of the stuff through the slowly tearing coffee filters -- trainwreck mixed with fruity chronic juice. It smells like fruity gasoline and has quite a soaring sativa buzz! :brow:

Not sure if it's been discussed before but what kind of filters have you all been using?

Edit: Just finished reading the whole thread, some delicious looking BHO in here! It looks like most people are also using coffee filters.

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eddyfrancis,

weedemon

enthusiast
thast some nice looking wax eddie :)

how much material did you run to end up with 6 g's?

I wrote up a brief tutorial on running bho so i just thoguth I would share it here too:

making BHO is really very simple.


Materials needed:

1 turkey baster (glass or stainless steel)
hose clamp
screen/filters
butane
oven mitts
a pyrex pie plate or dish
a larger dish that the pyrex one will fit in.
kettle
torch lighter
razor blade


1. You take a glass or stainless steel turkey baster (the smaller diameter tubes work the best for yield I am told. Mine is 1 inch) and pack it full of buds(don't break them up or anything). you can also add cotton balls in first before adding your buds if you don't want to use that much material[the whole turkey baster] to begin with.


2. place some unbleached coffee filters or 50- 100 micron screen over the open end of the turkey baster and fasten it on with a hose clamp. I used a broccoli elastic twisted many times to make it tight.


3. boil the kettle and have the hot water on standby


4. setup the hot water bath and float the dish in the later one of hot water. (be careful not to let the water get in your pyrex dish. Do this outdoors as it is not safe to run butane like this indoors. unless you have a fume hood or some lab equipment for ventilation. It's best just to do it outdoors though for safety's sake.


wrap a towel around the baster, or use oven mitts to hold the baster. this next step will make it mighty cold to the touch.


5. Using whatever adapter makes the bottle of butane mate up to the small end of the turkey baster use that and spray the butane through the baster. a yellowish liquid will come out and immediately begin evaporating on the hot pyrex dish. Continue spraying until the liquid runs clear.

6. once the dish has no real pool of liquid to speak of present you can bring the hot water bath indoors. This will prevent bugs and crap from the wind getting into your oil. change the water a couple times to keep it hot. I have been told 2x after 15 min time spans. (w/e works for you is good though)

7. after this pop any bubbles that remain with your torch lighter Pop the Pyrex dish in the oven at he lowest setting possible [170F on mine. 150 is better.] and bake for 5-20 min. (you can experiment and see what you like best) Now let the pan sit over night. (optional but worth it imo)

8. the next day pop any more bubbles that have come back. (the longer you wait the better becasue more butane will have come out.) then use the razor to scrape up the golden delicious oil!

9. now you can take out the bud that you processed, grind it or break it up and run it a 2nd time. this 2nd wash is not as good as the first, but it is definitely worth collecting.

One thing to note though, butane is obviously a dangerous gas to be working with. No flames around during the evaporation process. (once there is no pool of liquid left in the dish it is safe to work with again.)

Also you want to use the best butane you can get. the most popular brands to use are Vector(the best) Colibri, and London (both made by the same company and right up there too. I use London brand just becasue it's what they have locally.) the lower the impurities the better. cheap butane is not worth using at all. Make sure you have the good stuff. less than 30-50 ppm impurities and you are good to go!

If you like though I will do a pictorial to go with my steps the next time I run a batch of butane. (maybe even tomorrow night :D) It may sound a little intimidating, but it's really not. also expect about a 10-20% return on your initial investment. 10 g;s of herbs should be 1-2 grams of amazing oil.


comments an tips are welcome!! :)
 
weedemon,

eddyfrancis

Active Member
It was maybe around 80-100 grams of trim and small buds, I found a huge glass extraction tube for cheap at a hydro store and it holds quite a bit. It was ground up on the first run so that's probably why it came out so dark. I finished off the first bottle of tane after I switched the coffee filters and got another 1.7 grams.

Just did another run with all Trainwreck, decided not to grind it up so the oil wouldn't try to come out all at once and tear the filters again. Got only 5.5 grams but the quality is much better. The smell is incredible. The best way I've seen it described is "mentholated dead whale soaked in lemon gasoline."

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eddyfrancis,

stroh

errl enthusiast
been wondering where all the oil threads were at!

my third BHO run, slowly improving my tech. incredible tasting oil

unknown strain ~21% yield

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been dabbing away at that lil pile since friday, its shrank in size since, but remains as potent as ever :ko:
 
stroh,

StickyShisha2

Well-Known Member
i got to try an others oil and they mine. Friend's oil may have been more potent, but we are agreed that mine tasted better.
 
StickyShisha2,

weedemon

enthusiast
looking good stroh!

love he colour. I did a run of sour diesel last night. really tasty also! :)

think i will run blueberry next time :) heard the yield on that strain will be lower though.
 
weedemon,

stroh

errl enthusiast
good to hear weedemon! im jealous of all the strains you have access to, my new connect refers to the quality herbs as "kush" (a pet peeve of mine! along with dro), so lately i haven't really known what i've been getting. the one time he had a name he said it was sour diesel, but it was most definitely not, unless it was some strange phenotype that was very dark and smelled extremely fruity. i miss the days when i always knew exactly what strain i was smoking on, though i spose i can't complain too much considering i still get very potent buds that are covered in delectable trichomes.

i also really need to invest in an oil rig. the launchbox works great, but its a challenge to dab people up due to the learning curve and it just doesn't look as cool :D
 
stroh,

weedemon

enthusiast
the learning curve on the eclipse is also pretty high. you have to be really really careful you do not overheat and burn your oil. Believe me you will know when it's burned though as you will try to hack up a lung after doing this. the oil reaches deep in your lungs and demands to get out long after you have had your hit. it's not very fun when you overheat it.

other than that though if you only gently heat your vial it works awesome and is very friggin tasty!

I highly recommend the eclipse stroh!

That said I have never used a swing, but i can't imagine it being much better than a hot knife. The only difference really is the added water filtration? Still smoking imo... :p

but i will smoke bho that is my exception to the no more smoking rule :p If i got my eclipse I will use that, but otherwise i will blaze it.

about "kush" I love it! but i am tired of it too! i told my dealer I don't want anymore kush cause i have tons of it. I have: purple, super og, double, another type of purple, afghan kush, master.. enough already! give me the other strains and let me try new flavours!

Sicne then he has hooked me up with: bubblegum, nothern lights, Sour D, grapefruit, lemon haze, super silver haze, sensi star(one of my new faves!), jack herer, I am forgetting some of them too! but it's awesome :) i love my dealer! He's away for a month though getting new supplies from BC atm :p thankfully i have a supply to hold me over :D
 
weedemon,

captainhits

Well-Known Member
Retailer
eddyfrancis said:

SpiralArchitect said:
No. I've only heard of a few folks talking about 'auto-buddering' actually.

My guess is that is from a variety & combination of moisture in material, improper purge technique, them messing with the oil too much, or vacuuming it too much.

Remember,...budder is also extremely strain dependent. ;)

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I've been making oil for a few years now, and my goal is always to make it into stable wax. I find the flavor is at its peak in that form, it vaporizes the best with no residue and its easiest to handle. :peace:
 
captainhits,

eddyfrancis

Active Member
I'm a big fan of wax too, and I always purge mine straight into wax as well. My method is a little more primitive though. I just wait until all of the butane is gone from the initial hot water purge then scrape it onto a plate above an electric range on "warm" and whip it up until it's completely melted and slightly bubbling. I think the bubbles are terpenes since any butane should have evaporated by now, so that's how I tell it's done. Then I just let it cool off and it hardens into a nice wax.

I've found that some strains ability to wax up better than others usually depends on how potent the weed is. It seems like the THC part of the oil is always pretty solid and it's the other random oils and waxes the tane picks up that makes it softer. I've had poorly grown strains come out like taffy, but the same strain grown well makes nice solid wax.
 
eddyfrancis,

weedemon

enthusiast
I'm pretty new to the concentrates games too and have never had a batch budder up yet. I have had the edges of my dish have a budder like substanace, but i s just added it to my batch and melting it all together.

I want to get it like that now that you have educated me on it's benefits and how to do it! :p

cheers captainhits!
 
weedemon,

captainhits

Well-Known Member
Retailer
eddyfrancis said:
I've found that some strains ability to wax up better than others usually depends on how potent the weed is. It seems like the THC part of the oil is always pretty solid and it's the other random oils and waxes the tane picks up that makes it softer. I've had poorly grown strains come out like taffy, but the same strain grown well makes nice solid wax.

I believe the chlorophyll etc in the less potent leaves that gets extracted when you use a less potent grade, causes the end result to be soft as opposed to glass if partially purged, or wax if fully purged with the right technique.
 
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