Tek Spiderman's Oil Extravaganza!

[eddyfrancis]

I've found that some strains ability to wax up better than others usually depends on how potent the weed is. It seems like the THC part of the oil is always pretty solid and it's the other random oils and waxes the tane picks up that makes it softer. I've had poorly grown strains come out like taffy, but the same strain grown well makes nice solid wax.

I've actually considered this but was never able to definitively say that was it. That the chlorophyll etc in the less potent leaves that gets extracted when you use a less potent grade, causes the end result to be soft as opposed to glass if unpurged, or wax if properly purged. I've thought about reducing the amount of butane I run through it thinking that amount over the amount needed to extract the thc was getting other unnecessary oils from the plant matter, but then again those undesirable oils may just get extracted right into the mix. What makes me doubt this theory is the fact that I've had less potent trim than Im using now wax up with no problem. The trim im using now is from high grade og kush and has alot of bud pieces in it.

Hmm that is interesting. Is it possible that some strains (like OG Kush) produce more oils and stuff as well as more THC?

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

I've found that some strains ability to wax up better than others usually depends on how potent the weed is. It seems like the THC part of the oil is always pretty solid and it's the other random oils and waxes the tane picks up that makes it softer. I've had poorly grown strains come out like taffy, but the same strain grown well makes nice solid wax.

I've actually considered this but was never able to definitively say that was it. That the chlorophyll etc in the less potent leaves that gets extracted when you use a less potent grade, causes the end result to be soft as opposed to glass if unpurged, or wax if properly purged. I've thought about reducing the amount of butane I run through it thinking that amount over the amount needed to extract the thc was getting other unnecessary oils from the plant matter, but then again those undesirable oils may just get extracted right into the mix. What makes me doubt this theory is the fact that I've had less potent trim than Im using now wax up with no problem. The trim im using now is from high grade og kush and has alot of bud pieces in it.

Hmm that is interesting. Is it possible that some strains (like OG Kush) produce more oils and stuff as well as more THC?

BHO actually contains a lot of essential oils .. so i guess the more stinky strains.. got more oils and flavonoids so i guess thats why you get more oil..

 

[eddyfrancis]

Wow I think that's a good explanation!

 

[stroh]

the learning curve on the eclipse is also pretty high. you have to be really really careful you do not overheat and burn your oil. Believe me you will know when it's burned though as you will try to hack up a lung after doing this. the oil reaches deep in your lungs and demands to get out long after you have had your hit. it's not very fun when you overheat it.

other than that though if you only gently heat your vial it works awesome and is very friggin tasty!

I highly recommend the eclipse stroh!

That said I have never used a swing, but i can't imagine it being much better than a hot knife. The only difference really is the added water filtration? Still smoking imo...

but i will smoke bho that is my exception to the no more smoking rule If i got my eclipse I will use that, but otherwise i will blaze it.

about "kush" I love it! but i am tired of it too! i told my dealer I don't want anymore kush cause i have tons of it. I have: purple, super og, double, another type of purple, afghan kush, master.. enough already! give me the other strains and let me try new flavours!

Sicne then he has hooked me up with: bubblegum, nothern lights, Sour D, grapefruit, lemon haze, super silver haze, sensi star(one of my new faves!), jack herer, I am forgetting some of them too! but it's awesome i love my dealer! He's away for a month though getting new supplies from BC atm thankfully i have a supply to hold me over

it is possible to achieve completely vapor on TI nails and pads, you just have to let the metal cool before dabbing, there is also somewhat of a learning curve to get perfect vapor hits. i mostly want one because i miss having glass pieces ever since converting to vapor, and to be able to reclaim my oil resin for later use!

about the kush, im not even sure if its actually kush, sometimes the nugs look quite sativa, its just one of those names people slap on to try and differentiate quality, terms like kush, dro, beasters, mids, etc. it quite irks me when people use the terms kush and dro in the wrong contexts, neither has anything to do with quality! though if you're growing kush hydroponically and its not quality, you are doing something very wrong

mmm those strains make my mouth water, i've sampled a few of them (bubblegum, lemon haze, northern lights, jack) but only a few times each, if not on a sole occasion. i would love to get my hands on some of those again, they were all memorable smokes

Spiderman, eddyfrancis, weedmon, clear dome etc...
1) What do you feel the best purge temp/temp range to acheive this is?

though i try to stay away from waxes and budders, higher temperatures in general lead to a more stable product. 190 sounds alright, my oil always turned to shatter when oven purged at 170 after the double boil. I've also had a batch wax up on me by purging with too hot of water, it was slightly under boiling.

in my personal opinion, purging using the least amount of heat possible for extended periods provides the tastiest and most potent oil, as less heat lessens the degradation of THC and terpenoids. it also lessens the chance of over purging, but one must be careful not to underpurge, though this isn't difficult.

2) How long do you feel say 5 grams of oil should take to butter/wax up? How long do you think is too long? (I've made the mistake in trial and error with batches that don't butter with my normal method, of cooking too long and it ends up tasting like shit)

i would say that is dependent on your personal technique, how much 'tane you use, strain dependent as well. i dont think there is a set amount of time for every given situation.

are you purging your oil until it budders/waxes up on itself? you can achieve similar results by whipping the oil and this will reduce the chance of over purging your oil, if it budders up too much you can always melt it back down.

3) Do you think the double boiler method I use is any better or worse than the oven method or another method?

the double boil method is fine

4) Did you discover that buttering/waxing is strain dependent thru trial and error Spiral?

i think budder/waxing is more technique dependent, though some strains have a higher affinity to budder/wax than others

 

[weedemon]

it is possible to achieve completely vapor on TI nails and pads, you just have to let the metal cool before dabbing, there is also somewhat of a learning curve to get perfect vapor hits. i mostly want one because i miss having glass pieces ever since converting to vapor, and to be able to reclaim my oil resin for later use!

You are right, I forgot about that with letting the metal cool before applying your dab. I had read that before but had since forgotten. thx for reminding me.

That sucks about it being used as a blanket term for high quality buds. but hey at least he has high quality buds for ya!

the sour diesel in oil form is pretty damn fine. i think i can taste the sour aspect a lot better this way. gonna do another run this weekend. blueberry, sensi star, or a haze? (I have lemon and super silver)... what do you guys think?

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

it is possible to achieve completely vapor on TI nails and pads, you just have to let the metal cool before dabbing, there is also somewhat of a learning curve to get perfect vapor hits. i mostly want one because i miss having glass pieces ever since converting to vapor, and to be able to reclaim my oil resin for later use!

You are right, I forgot about that with letting the metal cool before applying your dab. I had read that before but had since forgotten. thx for reminding me.

That sucks about it being used as a blanket term for high quality buds. but hey at least he has high quality buds for ya!

the sour diesel in oil form is pretty damn fine. i think i can taste the sour aspect a lot better this way. gonna do another run this weekend. blueberry, sensi star, or a haze? (I have lemon and super silver)... what do you guys think?

Go haze... I tried amnesia haze oil and this is tasty as heaven.. You will cry like a baby once this smell makes you feel like in your early childhood ...
Also have to add that blueberry and sensi would make some damn fine stony oil ..
Do you know that by baking your oil the THC/CBD ratio is being inchrease in favor of the CBD.. Most cannabinoids are actually THC that has fallen apart.. That is why you get more cannabinoids in late harvest and it tends to be more stoney .
I first spotted this pattern while my senses were maxed on acid.. Actually THC gives energy,boosts brain activity,stimulates... like a energizer, Cannabinoids like CBD are energy that fell apart and thats why the effect is opposite to the THC in my opinion(not scientific data).They make ya stoney and hungry and warm and buzzin

 

[weedemon]

thats interesting man, yeah i think i will do 2 runs, lemon haze and blueberry. gotta keep em seperate

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

Today i purged successfully with a hair drier.. after the liquid evaporated i turned the pyrex vessel vertical so the water drops can gather in one of the corners.. I blow on low with a hairdrier from distance.. I got some quick yellow bright crystals..

 

[captainhits]

the learning curve on the eclipse is also pretty high. you have to be really really careful you do not overheat and burn your oil. Believe me you will know when it's burned though as you will try to hack up a lung after doing this. the oil reaches deep in your lungs and demands to get out long after you have had your hit. it's not very fun when you overheat it.

other than that though if you only gently heat your vial it works awesome and is very friggin tasty!

I highly recommend the eclipse stroh!

That said I have never used a swing, but i can't imagine it being much better than a hot knife. The only difference really is the added water filtration? Still smoking imo...

but i will smoke bho that is my exception to the no more smoking rule If i got my eclipse I will use that, but otherwise i will blaze it.

I won't get into the debate of bho producing some level of smoke if the temps are high because there is zero residue left over on the Ti (when properly cooked) and the levels of combustion if any IMO are so minute its not worth discussing. In fact, I can compare 2 years of vaping herb daily through my glass bubbler, to 2 years of vaping bho daily through the same bubbler: The residue left on the glass and in the water (ie your lungs) after vaping herb for ONE DAY is the same amount as the residue left on the glass and in the water after vaping bho daily for 3 MONTHS!!! No BS. That is pretty compelling if I say so myself.

I'm a 15 year pot smoker, converted to a 2 year vaper, converted to a 2 year bho'er. My experience going from vaping plant matter to vaping bho for 2 years, then trying to vape plant matter again, gave me the same reaction when I went from smoking to vaping, then tried to smoke again. It made me choke, made my lungs hurt, my throat raspy, and frankly tasted nasty in comparison.

Digressing, I sell the eclipse and the essential and IMO they fail miserably and I would not recommend them. Yea the first hit on each fresh vial tastes decdent but thats it. The second hit and all there after taste like shit if you've ever used a swing or nail and know what you are comparing to. You ask 'does water makes any difference?' The answer is water makes all the difference in the world. Night and day. In fact perc bubblers with multiple water filtration make a night and day difference beyond just a straight downstem. And when I say night and day I mean night and day.

Today i purged successfully with a hair drier.. after the liquid evaporated i turned the pyrex vessel vertical so the water drops can gather in one of the corners.. I blow on low with a hairdrier from distance.. I got some quick yellow bright crystals..

water drops? How/Why is water in your bho??

BTW, shatter is just the stage before butter/wax. When you cook it just right until the glossy texture turns matte you get wax/butter and a stable product you can handle without the crazy glue effect of shatter. It also removes that subtle but harsh chem feel that shatter gives the lungs.

 

[StickyShisha2]

water drops? How/Why is water in your bho??

in my case, its condensation from the air into the cold butane not boiling off fast enough. happens in the summers

 

[weedemon]

I dunno cptn I gotta say I rally like my eclipse. I get good hits from it consistently. tastes good until my oil changes color from golden yellow. once my oil changes colour then the flavour that we know and love starts to diminish. when i load up a bowl in my eclipse though it generally lasts me 3 days. (im vaping herbs all day in between using it.) I would say the last 30% of the bolws life span and we are talking less tasty vapor.

I gotta say though I am really, really, REALLY careful not to ever overheat my vial when i am boiling oil. this is the key to it's use imo.

I have never tried a swing though... So Maybe I should try that before i am against them figured it would be like a hot knife though.

 

[High Sigh]

weeddemon, how much oil do you put in your eclipse at once? I found that the smaller the hit you put in, the better it tastes and easier it is to vape and not burn it.

 

[weedemon]

how much? i dunno, it's a small amount maybe the equivalent of 1 or 2 (3 if i go overboard) drops worth off my pokey from my ssv?

I agree with you High Sigh though less is more. just like bong tokes when i used to do em, small personal hits are better than a massive bowl

 

[weedemon]

Blueberry BHO!

7.3 g of material in. 0.5 on first wash. still purging the 2nd wash will comment on the yield again later

2nd wash:

0.2 on the 2nd wash. meaning i got roughly a 10% return. I know the strain blueberry is typically not the biggest yield. but any tips would be greatly appreciated. I tried purging at 190 this time. for 22 min, but i can't able to get it like wax. there was a bit that is quite crisp, but as you can see I still got oil too. maybe this strain doesn't want to do it either? I dunno

on the 2nd wash this time i completely busted up the nuggs and i didn't notice and greening of the final product. lucky i guess.

 

[stroh]

looks tasty weedemon! blueberry must make some darned delicious oil, love the aroma and flavor of it.

im interested in the difference in consistencies of the first run, the first picture looks like golden qwiso flakes i get when i freeze my iso alcohol. i have never ran blueberry, so perhaps it is a strain characteristic?

 

[captainhits]

I just reread you last post

The only difference really is the added water filtration?

The eclipse is actually a water pipe attachment so you are probably referring to the essential if you're not using water http://www.essentialvape.com/. The essential is the dry pipe version, and as you can attest, if you heat it even slightly too much it will make the best of us hack up a lung. And once it's slightly overheated the whole taste is burnt until you change the vial. I used one for some time and sell them so I have no interest in knocking it. It does work and it's definitely handy for portable use but personally I don't care for the drawbacks.

I have never tried a swing though... So Maybe I should try that before i am against them figured it would be like a hot knife though.

The swings and nails are like a hot knife but you can take as big or small a toke as you like. The difference is that every hit is taken from a fresh clean surface, whereas you only truly get that from the first hit off the vial (albeit the first few hits can be acceptable). However when it goes through water and it's off a fresh surface you don't ever get that cough up a lung for 3 hours feeling. In fact you don't get that feeling at all. Try it you won't regret!

 

[weedemon]

I might just have to pickup a swing off of you then im gonna have to buy a gg downstem for my bong too then. i think.

mine is actually called the eclipse, but yep i remember looking it up and it is exactly the same as the essential vaaape too

@stroh,

well i found when i had my dish flaoting in the water, for one reason or anotherone isde dunk deeper then the other. where the oil was thickest it didn't shatter up, but on the other side where it was thinner it was albe to looks like that glass candy stuff

both are amazingly tasty but I would prefer the dry more manageable stuff if i can help it

 

[captainhits]

I might just have to pickup a swing off of you then im gonna have to buy a gg downstem for my bong too then. i think.

mine is actually called the eclipse, but yep i remember looking it up and it is exactly the same as the essential vaaape too

Ah ya they did go through a change of ownership and had made changes a couple times involving the names.

@stroh,

well i found when i had my dish flaoting in the water, for one reason or anotherone isde dunk deeper then the other. where the oil was thickest it didn't shatter up, but on the other side where it was thinner it was albe to looks like that glass candy stuff

both are amazingly tasty but I would prefer the dry more manageable stuff if i can help it

Depending on the temp you were using, a bit more or longer on the heat will cause it all to wax up like the thinner part. If it normally turns to shatter, it will wax up with the right amount of heat.

When I use anything other than trim it always waxes up. My best conclusion for oil not turning to wax is when the ratio of thc to other plant oils is too low on the thc side. In which case it can still turn into a more managable product than shatter or oil, just not touchable.

 

[weedemon]

ahh ok, so i should have cooked it longer then eh? I as afraid of over cooking it you see

on the 2nd wash I did the water bath for 20 min a 190 f then becasue ti still wasn't dry looking, i put it in the over on 190 again and forgot about it so it got cooked for 40 min. still an oil came out though.

maybe it's the 2nd part of your theory, and that it has too much composition of other things in there?

it's still all a learning process, I have having fun and have not made any product that I have not been pleased with after

 

[captainhits]

ahh ok, so i should have cooked it longer then eh? I as afraid of over cooking it you see

on the 2nd wash I did the water bath for 20 min a 190 f then becasue ti still wasn't dry looking, i put it in the over on 190 again and forgot about it so it got cooked for 40 min. still an oil came out though.

maybe it's the 2nd part of your theory, and that it has too much composition of other things in there?

it's still all a learning process, I have having fun and have not made any product that I have not been pleased with after

It's a precise process with regards to heat and length of time to acheive wax. If you leave it just 1 minute too long it can either become too dry (high thc content) or it will remelt (lower thc content) and once it has gone past that point you cannot bring it back to the wax consistency. Some strains there is no mistaking it because as you whip it around it will literally turn into a solid ball of wax. Other strains will just produce a matte surface and thats as far as it will wax. If you whip that around it will just look like its melted but once you scrape it up and it cools and will stabalize somewhat. The more you heat it beyond that point however it will become less stable and more gooey.

 

[weedemon]

ty for the additional pointers. I will have to try this out more this weekend!

 

[Stu]

While I'm not really into oil, I saw this video of what I assume is a new Hitman piece with built-in glass torch. It's pretty sick. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7euDsKF3p8o

 

[weedemon]

wow! that's pretty amazing!

 

[drewper]

Gorgeous!

Blueberry BHO!
http://i51.tinypic.com/315ea21.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/25qg40n.jpg

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7.3 g of material in. 0.5 on first wash. still purging the 2nd wash will comment on the yield again later

2nd wash:

http://i54.tinypic.com/5aoler.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/1zqq5gk.jpg

0.2 on the 2nd wash. meaning i got roughly a 10% return. I know the strain blueberry is typically not the biggest yield. but any tips would be greatly appreciated. I tried purging at 190 this time. for 22 min, but i can't able to get it like wax. there was a bit that is quite crisp, but as you can see I still got oil too. maybe this strain doesn't want to do it either? I dunno

on the 2nd wash this time i completely busted up the nuggs and i didn't notice and greening of the final product. lucky i guess.

 

[stroh]

While I'm not really into oil, I saw this video of what I assume is a new Hitman piece with built-in glass torch. It's pretty sick. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7euDsKF3p8o

what is this witchcraft! that tube is insane, though i would be wary of dropping it when its fully filled with butane