CrazyDiamond
HAL is a StarChild
@Been Vapin what type of screen is that and where do we buy them from? I have two small slick sheets I will try as well when I'm ready.
Rosin Technique....Easy DIY Solventless
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GuyLeDuche
^ "Eat a bag of Dick's!"
Umm, I can't see it very well in the pic, but I think that iron may be the wrong kind 
. are the plates flat?
Also, I can't speak for WalMart parchment, but dollar store stuff definitely left fibers in my Rosin. I only buy Reynolds now, it's only $3 a box at the grocery store, well worth it IMO.
. are the plates flat?Also, I can't speak for WalMart parchment, but dollar store stuff definitely left fibers in my Rosin. I only buy Reynolds now, it's only $3 a box at the grocery store, well worth it IMO.
Quetzalcoatl
DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
I used unbleached coffee filters (washed and dried) to rosin some hash in a pinch. Google says coffee filters average around 20 micron going as low as 5 even... It worked for me although I feel that I lost a tiny bit to the paper (I used minimal filter material for this reason). I threw the filters and pucks into some ISO alcohol. Will reclaim at a later date.ok , so this is what I've picked-up for starters .
c-clamp
curling iron
parchment paper
cheese cloths for screen
Still would like to get a cheap thermistor
and a wooden clamp for better stability .
also would coffee filters work for screens ?
@GuyLeDuche i think the reflection from the plastic is making it look like that, it looks like a flat iron but he may have mistakenly called it a curling iron. Hell, if my mom weren't a cosmetologist, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference either!
poonman
Well-Known Member
ya it's a flat iron ,
the 1st press at the highest temp ,
I got the cheese cloth , resin stained .
Most of it got on the cloth , and I couldn't reclaim it .
So I ditched the cloth idea and used the parchment paper only .
I'd used 1/2 g of indica and 1/2 g of sativa separately .
10 to 20 second compresses with the c-clamp .
I didn't disassembled the iron , just straight clamped it .
The buds came out flat , dry , and I was able to crumble it up .
I'd also vaped the dried buds and got medicated .
So I don't think it worked for me .
The parchment paper had a ' grease mark ' at the
crease fold of the paper . Smelled Awesome !
But couldn't scrape up any to do anything with it .
questions
What am I doing wrong ?
Use more buds ie 2 g ?
longer compresses ?
tia
the 1st press at the highest temp ,
I got the cheese cloth , resin stained .
Most of it got on the cloth , and I couldn't reclaim it .
So I ditched the cloth idea and used the parchment paper only .
I'd used 1/2 g of indica and 1/2 g of sativa separately .
10 to 20 second compresses with the c-clamp .
I didn't disassembled the iron , just straight clamped it .
The buds came out flat , dry , and I was able to crumble it up .
I'd also vaped the dried buds and got medicated .
So I don't think it worked for me .
The parchment paper had a ' grease mark ' at the
crease fold of the paper . Smelled Awesome !
But couldn't scrape up any to do anything with it .
questions
What am I doing wrong ?
Use more buds ie 2 g ?
longer compresses ?
tia
weenstoned
Well-Known Member
Ya you are more likely going to want to set it to the lowest temp, not the highest. Pressed nugs should be flat but not dry enough to crumble. Definitely don't need to mess with cheesecloth with nugs.
Also put the non sticky side of the parchment on an ice pack for a few seconds (or leave it there) to make it easier to scrape up rosin.
Also put the non sticky side of the parchment on an ice pack for a few seconds (or leave it there) to make it easier to scrape up rosin.
2clicker
Observer
@herbivore21... and others pressing bubble...
how long is the bubble process? i realize you are pressing it over flowers because of the increased yield, but doesnt that add a ton of time to the process from flowers to rosin?
aways wanted to try bubble, but never have.
how long is the bubble process? i realize you are pressing it over flowers because of the increased yield, but doesnt that add a ton of time to the process from flowers to rosin?
aways wanted to try bubble, but never have.
weenstoned
Well-Known Member
Making bubble is kind of labour intensive, but it will definitely cut down a lot on the pressing time compared to just pressing buds. Also arguably your rosin from bubble would be higher quality as less plant matter could end up in your final product. I am sure there will be extra time but maybe not as much as you would think. If I had access to the material necessary to make bubble I would definitely do it.
Quetzalcoatl
DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
Your starting material is dry? Is the clamp applying a lot of force? That was key for me. I use like .2 - .3g nuggets. Try to rub a little piece of cotton on the grease smudge, it should come off onto the cotton, and if you roll it up a bit tight before you start it should not release many fibers. This can then be put in a vaporizer! I'm not sure why it comes out like that, very occasionally mine comes out really greasy and not wanting to come off the paper either, and every other time it's the pretty splatters like in the thread. I know that the terpenes are sticky like that and don't like coming off, and that decarbed oil is very sticky and sappy as well (my flower BHO/ISO runs always came out shattery or like pull-and-snap sap, but my ABV runs always came out super sappy/sticky/didn't want to come off parchment paper). I press for roughly 7 seconds, two presses, although with my particular batch the second press doesn't yield an awful lot and it's noticeably darker (chlorophyll for sure and then a little bit of re-heated oil). Were the bud chips easy to crumble? The first few times I pressed the bud chips were hard to break up when they cooled because they were "glued" by the oil (I was doing this by hand then, and just starting out!).
Been Vapin
Fringe Class
I take a small piece of 25u screen and pinch the dab off off the danger I nto the middle of the screen. Then fold up to seal all sides. Then press it as hard as possible I'm clamp hair iron rig. It is important to match the siZe of screen to size of what your pressing. Too much screen and rosin gets robbed in the screen. Too little screen and you risk a blowout. I also only use the screens once before tossing into 190'proof spirits.
I would like to give calico/muslin a try. I read on another forum people were using refillable tea bags to coffee filters with success.
These can be purchased at hydroponic store or online. 20 inch x 20 inch 25u screen for around $10.00
http://harvestersedge.com/Product/Details/HEMP820
Next up is to source yards of 25u for cheap.
I only use the piece of screen once, but others reuse em.
Could be a number of things. There are lots of variables. What's the moisture of your bud like? Try to press it into a puck or coin before pressing with iron.
what does the bottom of your clamp look like? Does it have an option to over tighten once clamped? Probably not enough pressure sounds like the issue.
The conair has lots of plastic and spaces in it. Clamp it as hard as it will go and over tighten the shit out of it.
I would also advise to read through the whole thread starting from page one (not to sound like an asshole), but there is lots of great info and discussion in previous pages that will educate and inspire.
We have come a long way since February 25. Thanks for starting the thread @darkrom
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GuyLeDuche
^ "Eat a bag of Dick's!"
Is this the stuff?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-yard-25-W...Mesh-Fabric-/291015433916?hash=item43c1df1ebc
I've been sourcing 200micron to make my own TrimTrays lol, poly is WAY cheaper but SS looks smarter...
Been Vapin
Fringe Class
Not sure if that's the right stuff. This is the lpi to micron conversion sheet.bubbleman is claiming under pressure some silk screen deforms and changes micron size. I'll have to look into it more. This is where I was going to get it from.
http://www.dickblick.com/search/?q=Polyester+screen&x=0&y=0&sp_cs=UTF-8
I stole all the info below from bubblemans post. The below content is not my work.
"LPI is lines per inch, which is the same as U.S. Mesh. In real world applications in the United States, silk screen may be sold simply as 155 mesh. This would be the same as calling it 155 lines per inch, or 155 U.S. Mesh.
--- A micron is equal to one twenty-five thousandth (1/25,000) of an inch, or one millionth (1/1,000,000) of a meter. A millimeter is equal to one thousandth (1/1,000) of a meter.
--- Screen mesh made out of multifilament polyester should not be used for sieving hashish because it is not as good and will not last as long as other types of mesh materials. You can tell multifilament polyester by a mesh rating with xx in it. Example 10xx, 12xx, 14xx, 30xx plus, etcetera.
--- When making hashish, you can vary the mesh size from about 65-125 microns (about 120-230 lines per inch). If the particles are larger than 125 microns, they are not very potent. As the particle size decreases down to 125 microns, the potency increases.
At about 125 microns, the powder is what most people would consider good hash. The potency increases as the particle size decreases down to 65 microns. At 65 microns, the trichome particles are at a point that most consider optimal. Particles smaller than 65 microns tend be broken or immature trichomes (medium " bubbleman post on silkscreen
MileHighLife
Blower of glass, grower of grass
I think making and pressing dry ice hash is going to be the way to go for me once I finally get my d nail press in. Making dry ice hash is way way less labor intensive and you don't lose terps like you do with water (bubble) hash. It's far less pure than good bubble but that doesn't matter if you're planning to press it out anyway.
Been Vapin
Fringe Class
Once your technique is down, not counting prep time, one bubble bag process should take about an hour, but you can run the material up to 4-5 times.
It really doesn't take that long to process from flowers to rosin vs a full solvent run and purge.
Watch the yield of 45u the ladies pull in this video. Biggest single pull I have seen. (Suppose those 300gallon bubblebags would beat it)
Look into dry sifting with a tumbler. It's real easy, but you need a lot of material. The tumble now is awesome but $$$
herbivore21
Well-Known Member
You really should try calico/musclin man, it is so much better than the outlandish prices of 25u pressing screens and I have both and get the same quality of results.
You are spot on on the amount of screen you wrap around your rosin puck. You need to put as little screen around as possible (but of course enough to keep the inside material from spurting out everywhere and making a mess lol). Otherwise, especially if you have loose bits of screen hanging off to the side, the earl you squish will just wick into the loose parts of the screen which aren't tightly wrapped around the material.
Musclin/Calico is great for the spirits cleaning too, I clean mine in ISO after a few squishes and it comes out brand new
I was the first to use teabags (at least on FC, maybe overall) and refillable teabags seemed alright, but calico/musclin is much cheaper and many (not all) teabags are not safe to press with heat. Remember, heat resistance alone is not enough, the pressure is gonna fuck with woven fibers and any composite material made of more than one substance (especially depending on what this substance is). Unbleached coffee filters worked alright, but I find these are too easy to rip/break
Hey brother! The bubble process with a machine is super duper quick, the longest part is rinsing/cleaning the bags after collecting each one lol - be thorough here, you do not want shit getting moldy/funky in your bubblebags lol
I would say about an hour is accurate, of course you gotta freeze and dry but for rosin purposes the freezing is the longest part here, only need to dry for an hour or so after microplaning and moisture aint no issue anymore
BTW @Been Vapin holy jesus bro that 45u yield was GIGANTIC!
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poonman
Well-Known Member
Thanx guys ,
The ceramic plates sticks out from the iron .
My buds were moist , not dry , I thought that would
produce a bigger yield . Clamp was def. tight , but will try again .
Buds were flatten but Not easily crumbly but it does crumble .
And I'd vaped the flatten buds and got medicated .
That's why I don't think I had success .
I'll try lower temps too .
Smaller nugs .
Maybe even kief when I collect enuf .
Tighten more on the c-clamp .
The ceramic plates sticks out from the iron .
My buds were moist , not dry , I thought that would
produce a bigger yield . Clamp was def. tight , but will try again .
Buds were flatten but Not easily crumbly but it does crumble .
And I'd vaped the flatten buds and got medicated .
That's why I don't think I had success .
I'll try lower temps too .
Smaller nugs .
Maybe even kief when I collect enuf .
Tighten more on the c-clamp .
BoogerMan
Well-Known Member
I haven't but i will definitely try it when I start making rosin!
If anything I'll try a no heat purge on some ice water hash before I press it.
I beleieve @CubanGrower has done a no heat vacuum purge of some of his ice water hash to help remove excess moisture (he may actually do this at like 50F. At least I know that's around the temp he sifts at IIRC. From what I've heard others say, you cant get much better than what he produces. Don't get me wrong there are some others that make amazing hash and rosin, but the man and his wife have the hash game on lock. Definitely check out his IG if you haven't already).
I am actually looking to buy a set of 4-5 sifting screens. @Hashtag46&2 recommended Pocono Screens. Has anyone ordered these? They don't seem to have the standard micron size (220, 150, 70, 25u etc). They have funky sizes like 230, 158, 61, 38u etc.
Does it really make much of a difference?
Here is what they have available:
http://www.poconoscreen.com/Cat-29-1-13/wood.htm
Should I buy elsewhere or would I be good with getting this setup from Pocono?
Size: 20"x24"
1x 230u
1x 180u
1x 125u
1x 86u
1x 38u
I have 3 of the 25u drying screens (that come with the bubble bag kit) so I figured I wouldn't need a 24u sifting screen.
Does this seem like a good start or should I buy elsewhere and get the more standard micron sizes?
Thanks for the help all you hash heads out there
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Monsoon
Well-Known Member
I'm thinking of going the dry sift route too for pressing but I might try to get a TumbleNow/Pollinator instead to semi-automate it. Anyone see any downside to it besides cost? I figure I could also use the sift for QWET or QWISO to hopefully get a slightly cleaner product (and much less evap time).
I got to try some rosin for the first time last weekend and it was some of the best tasting oil I've tried before. It really got the gears going in my head to try to figure out the best way for me to make it.
I got to try some rosin for the first time last weekend and it was some of the best tasting oil I've tried before. It really got the gears going in my head to try to figure out the best way for me to make it.
BoogerMan
Well-Known Member
Yeah I was looking at the tumblenow as well, but for my small personal runs I will be doing, it just didn't seem necessary. I will at max do an oz at a time to make a couple weeks supply of oil.
Does anyone use the tumblenow or a similar machine for smaller runs? Or mainly just larger 2-5oz runs?
I also like having the option of multiple different screen sizes compared to only having the two that come with the tumblenow, but maybe 5 screens is overkill for what I need?
Lol idk.
Monsoon
Well-Known Member
Yeah I was looking at the tumblenow as well, but for my small personal runs I will be doing, it just didn't seem necessary. I will at max do an oz at a time to make a couple weeks supply of oil.
Does anyone use the tumblenow or a similar machine for smaller runs? Or mainly just larger 2-5oz runs?
I also like having the option of multiple different screen sizes compared to only having the two that come with the tumblenow, but maybe 5 screens is overkill for what I need?
Actually after checking around the TumbleNow is sold out everywhere, I'd probably go with the Pollen Master instead which as a bonus for me is Canada based. For QWISO I do 3oz runs so it would be would definitely be worth it to me.
Regardless of included screens you can transfer the kief to your own set, but I don't know if there's an advantage to cleaning and grading it before pressing since the pressing screen should filter out most undesirables.
BoogerMan
Well-Known Member
Hell now you are making me rethink this. Maybe I'll just get 1 screen around 220 or 150u and just use the 25u blotting sheet when pressing to filter out the impurities?
Then if I really want I can get some finer sifting screens (70 or 24u) to try and make some full melt
possibly incorporate the static tech to attempt 99% heads 
Monsoon
Well-Known Member
That makes sense and then you're ensuring you get most of the cannabinoids since they're spread out across the grades. I mean there could be a quality difference but it's probably not huge. I'm sure you'll get a chance to see for yourself in time, for SCIENCE!
I just worked out the math on using kief instead of bud for QWISO and the time and cost savings are pretty huge. I'm going to look into it further but I may get the Pollen Master soon and then I'll have it handy whenever I figure out a rosin tek that works for me.
herbivore21
Well-Known Member
Anyone wanting to vac out moisture from bubble drop me a PM with your local barometry and I'll hook you up with the right chamber pressure to cold boil water in there, or a bit lower to avoid losing the more volatile terps