I believe it's just for terpenes/essential oils, I don't think you can extract cannabinoids that way. AFAIK the waxes and fats have a higher boiling point so they don't come over.
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I believe it's just for terpenes/essential oils, I don't think you can extract cannabinoids that way. AFAIK the waxes and fats have a higher boiling point so they don't come over.
I certainly do!
IMO, yes, it's definitely a thing. As far as flower rosin, at the least it definitely affects color, it also seems to affect yield and flavor IME by smashing all the trichomes into the plant material. Yield is always a variable thing with flower so it's hard to say for certain, but those are my observations.
I certainly do!
IMO, yes, it's definitely a thing. As far as flower rosin, at the least it definitely affects color, it also seems to affect yield and flavor IME by smashing all the trichomes into the plant material. Yield is always a variable thing with flower so it's hard to say for certain, but those are my observations.
Hmm. Do you pre press at all then? Or just mildly
Hmm. Do you pre press at all then? Or just mildly
I do use a pre press, but just to make the puck fit between the plates, I try not to lean on it too much. Be interesting to hear what others think on the issue!
OK. Interesting. Thanks. What your saying makes sense, but yeah, be interesting to hear more perspectives.
Thanks again!
ginolicious
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I have way too much bud in my possession. Really looking at rosin pressing it to free up space with my mason jars.
I want to do hair straightener method cause I don’t have money to buy a press. What would I place the bud into as I don’t have any of the rosin bags. Can I use cheese cloth or something else to press onto the parchment paper?
I want to do hair straightener method cause I don’t have money to buy a press. What would I place the bud into as I don’t have any of the rosin bags. Can I use cheese cloth or something else to press onto the parchment paper?
Baron23
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I certainly do!
IMO, yes, it's definitely a thing. As far as flower rosin, at the least it definitely affects color, it also seems to affect yield and flavor IME by smashing all the trichomes into the plant material. Yield is always a variable thing with flower so it's hard to say for certain, but those are my observations.
OK. Interesting. Thanks. What your saying makes sense, but yeah, be interesting to hear more perspectives.
Thanks again!
I am def not trying to check anybody or be argumentative.
But it occurs to me that what we do in the press is....well, press. And press it into the plant material (and then out) and I just don't see the diff in that and pre-pressing.
Actually, given that we have heat melting the trichs, I should think that we push more desirable material into the plant matter when pressing then when pre-pressing.
The difference is the heat helps the oil run away from the puck/heat via capillary action. Not so when pre-pressing.
The whole bottle tech concept originally came out to avoid pre-pressing, while still getting the same consistent PSI of using bags. Many started pre pressing bottle tech style to press larger quantities due to narrow gaps between caged plates.
shredder
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I always pre press. I use a 2x4 aluminum pre press, 2x4.5 bags. I use 3x5 plates on a HF 20 ton press with an air assist.
My pucks are 10-14 grams depending on the herb. I'd say 12g for an average.
I crank my vise hard to get a hard puck in my pre press. Hard pucks stay together better and there's less blow outs.
When I say less blow outs, I mean I can press an lb or so before I have a blow out. It took some practice though. I press 20+ ounces a year.
I press horizontal, then fold the puck in half, up the temps by 10°F and repress the puck once.
Not sure if a comparison to bottle tech is helpful though as they're fundamentally different styles.
I don't press square pucks much, but they seem like they can more easily expand beyond the bag size if not pre-pressed pretty firm. I noticed that when I was beta testing a few pre press mouldsq for Dabpress.
I agree with you on the two methods being different, bottle tech seems more for small personal presses, with square pucks being better at maxing out the plates and moving through quantity. Some people on Reddit press bottle tech style (looseally filled bag) but horizontally instead of vertically, ends of the bag opened instead of folded, never have tried that method yet though!
I did this a few times over the last few months, not via reddit tho, but it just occurred to me to be a good way to do bottle tech, but pressing more at once.
That open bag end tho, I didnt like that
I always folded it into itself and never really liked it. I didnt research to see what others were doing tho.
I have done up to 2x25g botletech style presses with no real difference in yields or color, it is a pain to prepress that much though so I just stick to 10g or 10gx2 as it is easy to pack.
I also don't like the open-ended pucks.
Wow that's crazy, a 7g puck barely fits in my plates, how did you fit two 25g bottle tech pucks?
I notice many of the commercial rosin brands are pressing pretty small amounts (of hash) as it allows much less contact time on the plates versus pressing large pucks.
Hackerman
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In my never ending quest for wax, I ran some pretty neat experiments today.
One was comparing a pressed puck vs a loosely packed 70u bag containing the same amount. Sorry to report, nothing exciting. Both were about the same. Same yield. Same appearance. I am pressing 3 grams at a time in my 3x3 3-ton DabPress. Just messin' around.
I also tried a "hollow square" layout by rolling 4 "worms" in my rolling machine and placing them in a square. I was thinking it might give room for the rosin to run inside the square. I did a triangle the same way. Then, a peace sign. I made some awesome cannabis caramels today and.... I think they were working when I did those. LOL
One thing I did that was fun was using my temp probe INSIDE the puck while pressing.
The temp probe is a tiny wire with a tinier ball on the end (long since smashed flat from many such tests.) LOL
After I pre-pressed the standard 3-gram puck, I put a tiny hole in the side and inserted the probe wire. Then, insert the entire package into the parchment and into the plates. I was able to leave it in until the very last second of the final press. That wire is pretty tiny. I probably could have left it in but I didn't want the contamination in the rosin. I pulled the wire when the inside of the load reached plate temperature. Then, I final press. Took 2 or 3 minutes sometimes to get the load up to plate temp.
Pretty fun day, anyway. Got a ton more rosin to vape. LOL No wax
One was comparing a pressed puck vs a loosely packed 70u bag containing the same amount. Sorry to report, nothing exciting. Both were about the same. Same yield. Same appearance. I am pressing 3 grams at a time in my 3x3 3-ton DabPress. Just messin' around.
I also tried a "hollow square" layout by rolling 4 "worms" in my rolling machine and placing them in a square. I was thinking it might give room for the rosin to run inside the square. I did a triangle the same way. Then, a peace sign. I made some awesome cannabis caramels today and.... I think they were working when I did those. LOL
One thing I did that was fun was using my temp probe INSIDE the puck while pressing.
The temp probe is a tiny wire with a tinier ball on the end (long since smashed flat from many such tests.) LOL
After I pre-pressed the standard 3-gram puck, I put a tiny hole in the side and inserted the probe wire. Then, insert the entire package into the parchment and into the plates. I was able to leave it in until the very last second of the final press. That wire is pretty tiny. I probably could have left it in but I didn't want the contamination in the rosin. I pulled the wire when the inside of the load reached plate temperature. Then, I final press. Took 2 or 3 minutes sometimes to get the load up to plate temp.
Pretty fun day, anyway. Got a ton more rosin to vape. LOL No wax
shredder
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You think? Lol
ginolicious
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Last night I tried the bloody hair straightener method with some CBD buds. I placed them in parchment paper and squished. I didn’t get any rosin at all. Then when I checked on the nug it was basically completely dried out and crunchy. What gives? I figured I would get some return at least.
shredder
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Hemp buds?
I squeeze cannatonic #4. Not great returns, but rosin.
It helps to have 60% humidity to get the rosin moving, but you can't get blood out of a rock (hemp). And a hair straightener doesn't do great either.
When I used to do hair straightener method, some buds wouldnt return at all. How full of crystals does it look? Make sure any nugs are rock solid, and if not, see if you can squish them down to a tiny compressed ball. Obviously, some flower just wont stick together or become a solid tight ball.
Hair straighteners can only do so much, and tbh, full rosin presses can only do so much. The starting material needs to be suitable.
I used a 40mm prepress bottletech puck maker in my workshop vice, kept them compressed with Irwin clamps until I loaded them,
Hackerman
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@invertedisdead or whomever it was who was the local cart pro. I recall someone here giving tips on carts and how to do it.
I very occasionally make carts for a couple friends. I ran out of empty carts and I find eBay and Amazon banned them. I only need a dozen or so and I don't need anything super fancy. Plain Jane in a .5g size.
Can anyone suggest a good empty cart and a source?
Thanks
I very occasionally make carts for a couple friends. I ran out of empty carts and I find eBay and Amazon banned them. I only need a dozen or so and I don't need anything super fancy. Plain Jane in a .5g size.
Can anyone suggest a good empty cart and a source?
Thanks
Baron23
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I too use similar clamps to hold my bottle tech together until I put into the plates. works well.I used a 40mm prepress bottletech puck maker in my workshop vice, kept them compressed with Irwin clamps until I loaded them,
Hackerman
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A couple pages back @btka and I and a couple others were talking about how to dilute carts.
I know this sounds crazy but I have been reading about the e-cig people and it is very common for them to make their e-juice out of a mixture of VG and PG but I repeatedly see them all using the same thinner....... VODKA.
And, the more refined group is actually using Everclear.
WTF???? It's safe to vape Everclear? Why does this scream all wrong in my head. Still, at least so far, everything I have read leads to it.
Do a search of "thinning e-cig juice with vodka". There are a zillion results. And, apparently, it adds a pleasant flavor. LOL
The only bad write-ups I found were from the poison center and places like that warning kids about vaping TOO MUCH alcohol to get drunk. The tiny amount in e-cig juice does not seem to be a danger.
Apparently, the most common mixture is a 60/40 or PG and VG and then adding 10 to 12% vodka as a thinner.
Like I said, this screams WRONG to me but if it turns out to be a viable thinner, it simply couldn't be any easier. I am going to make one today and see how it turns out.
Just passing this on....
I know this sounds crazy but I have been reading about the e-cig people and it is very common for them to make their e-juice out of a mixture of VG and PG but I repeatedly see them all using the same thinner....... VODKA.
And, the more refined group is actually using Everclear.
WTF???? It's safe to vape Everclear? Why does this scream all wrong in my head. Still, at least so far, everything I have read leads to it.
Do a search of "thinning e-cig juice with vodka". There are a zillion results. And, apparently, it adds a pleasant flavor. LOL
The only bad write-ups I found were from the poison center and places like that warning kids about vaping TOO MUCH alcohol to get drunk. The tiny amount in e-cig juice does not seem to be a danger.
Apparently, the most common mixture is a 60/40 or PG and VG and then adding 10 to 12% vodka as a thinner.
Like I said, this screams WRONG to me but if it turns out to be a viable thinner, it simply couldn't be any easier. I am going to make one today and see how it turns out.
Just passing this on....
btka
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maybe @gunmetalshark has more insight he is using alcohol for winterizing as far as I remember...