Rosin Technique....Easy DIY Solventless

[Dangus]

Just wanted to post up to say the 'pucker' from domeless is working out great. Last evening I quickly and easily made up a bunch of 2 & 3 gram pucks. Super simple. I found that sugar trim pucks up decently as well, but it was usually a mix of trim and larf.

Using a 1/2 ton arbor press and 3x3 plates(cencalrosin), so the 1" pucks are just about perfect for my needs.

Cheers

 

[vapedtoblaze]

Hi fellow dabbers!

I have finished my Rosin Press yesterday. I am using 9*9*4cm 7075 Aluminium Plates and 2*170W 220V cartridge heaters per plate. The temperature is read by a K-Type thermocouple.
I am using an XMT7100 PID-controller.

My problem is that with the autotuned PID values (P=1,8/I=520/D=130) the plates take about 30 minutes to heat up to 100°C. When I use the PID values I use for my DIY Enail (P=3,6/I=42/D=8), the plates only take about 3 minutes to heat up, but overshoot to about 160°C.
When using the autotuned values, the heater cartridges get hot, when using the Enail values, the cartridges glow orange hot.

I really love to tinker and figure stuff out by myself, but this PID stuff is a little over my dabbed out head (the endproduct is nervertheless very mind altering)^^
Could someone please help me figure out more suitable PID values?
So that I won't have to wait for 30 minutes on initial heat up, but also won't have 60°C overshoot and wait 30 minutes for the plates to cool down to 100°C again. Also I have read that glowing orange hot shortens the lifespan of the heater cartridge, which i would like to avoid.

I hope someone of you guys could help me out!

Dabs&Terps

vapedtoblaze

 

[Cannabis-Hardware-Ed]

newVape will debut our latest 100ton rosin press at the june 2017 Nor-Cal cannabis cup. Stop by and check it out if you're at the show.

 

[Hogni]

100t?? How large are your plates? Even 10' x 20' would still have 2000 psi!?

 

[miguelovic]

I call bullshit on their claim of 34%.

Solvent extractors don't see those numbers and most question breeders/growers claims that high. HighTimes doesn't, but that speaks to the value of their word.

500-1500PSI is sufficient. 6000+ is excessive.

 

[dabsonthemountain]

I call bullshit on their claim of 34%.

Solvent extractors don't see those numbers and most question breeders claims of such numbers. HighTimes doesn't, but that speaks to the value of their word.

500-1500PSI is sufficient. 6000+ is excessive.

definitely. How could you yield even higher than the thc content of the flower?

 

[Cannabis-Hardware-Ed]

@Hogni the plates on the 100 Ton are 7" x 11" https://www.newvape.com/mighty-100-ton-rosin-press
It can be seen at the NorCal Cannabis Cup. As with all our other DIY press parts.

 

[invertedisdead]

Don't you think for $8,000 the controller should tell you the actual real time temperature of the plates instead of the end user having to compensate based on a reading hundreds of degrees off? I recently used a press which uses an enail controller, and found the whole experience frustrating not knowing what temperature the plates were actually registering at.

definitely. How could you yield even higher than the thc content of the flower?

terpenes? CBD? All the other actives? There should be a lot more in cannabis extracts than just THC. That would be an isolate.

 

[herbivore21]

terpenes? CBD? All the other actives? There should be a lot more in cannabis extracts than just THC. That would be an isolate.

This exactly! I am surprised to see the equivocation of THC with resin content in this day and age! If cannabis resin is a sandwich, then THCA is the bread. The boring part that gets made interesting because of the other parts of the sandwich (in this analogy, the terpenes and other cannabinoids of which there are many other compounds than CBD).

 

[miguelovic]

Yeah still bullshit. Pressing anything leaves a residue, even with 30% cannabinoids and 3-5% terpenes/"actives", you're never going to perform a complete extraction.

Considering the high standards set by the mass of those in the cannabis industry, adulteration with kief or the like is more believeable.

JungleBoys seem solid. 9/10 rosin press retailers do not.

@Hogni the plates on the 100 Ton are 7" x 11" https://www.newvape.com/mighty-100-ton-rosin-press
It can be seen at the NorCal Cannabis Cup. As with all our other DIY press parts.

What wattage are the heaters? Heat up time?

 

[invertedisdead]

Maybe. Im just the messenger. But Jungle Boys grows that fire.

 

[miguelovic]

Maybe. Im just the messenger. But Jungle Boys grows that fire.

No worries, likesay, it is their (Nugsmasher) claim, not yours.

And yes, fire. Haven't seen their flower in person but hope to soon.

 

[invertedisdead]

No worries, likesay, it is their (Nugsmasher) claim, not yours.

And yes, fire. Haven't seen their flower in person but hope to soon.

Well Im not too far from Nugsmasher. I might go check them out and see whats really good.

 

[herbivore21]

Yeah still bullshit. Pressing anything leaves a residue, even with 30% cannabinoids and 3-5% terpenes/"actives", you're never going to perform a complete extraction.

Considering the high standards set by the mass of those in the cannabis industry, adulteration with kief or the like is more believeable.

JungleBoys seem solid. 9/10 rosin press retailers do not.

Man I do think that you're being hasty in calling bullshit. Whilst in my experience, much of the less than top quality flower out there does not even return 20% usually (15% is probably more reasonable if you flower is good, but not great), what we also must consider is that some varieties and phenotypes and plants that have been taken to full maturity in flowering will contain DRASTICALLY MORE RESIN than others.

I've seen material from the same source from different plants where one was harvested earlier than the other yield return drastically different amounts of resin. The less mature plant harvested two weeks earlier than the more mature would return 1/2-2/3 of the quantity of resin when pressed vs the more mature nugs harvested weeks later in flower.

Some varieties are absolutely soaked in trichomes. Some of the super dense, high resin broad leaf varieties for example. Then again, the airier, less dense narrow leaf varieties produce much smaller resin glands which necessarily contain less resin per gland. A narrow leaf variety that produces less resin coverage would be expected to return incredibly low yields compared to the broad leafed examples above.

I have achieved returns of 20% on material that is by no means the most resinous I've seen. To me, it is very much possible that the right material of the right variety/pheno and maturity of resin will be able to return these incredibly large quantities in those limited cases. To make a claim that this could be achieved by most people in most cases is still problematic of course lol

 

[miguelovic]

While I prefer to press sativa, the majority of my work is not. That is simply my preference. 20% on lowers is achieveable with many strains sold publicly.

I dispute that top quality flower is synonymous to high extraction yield, if that is what you mean. Scales determine yield, not quality.

I am a skeptic. Yield claims are a red flag if I've ever seen one, more so when they start with a 3.

I am also aware of basic knowledge on cannabis growth and resin.

I don't recall saying it was impossible, but that rosin is not a complete extraction. I'll even add that videos on social media aren't compelling evidence of a unicorn yield.

 

[herbivore21]

While I prefer to press sativa, the majority of my work is not. That is simply my preference.

I am a skeptic. Yield claims are a red flag if I've ever seen one, especially when they start with a 3.

I am also aware of basic knowledge on cannabis growth and resin.

I don't recall saying it was impossible, but that rosin is not a complete extraction. Videos on social media aren't compelling evidence of a unicorn yield.

I agree that yields of 30% or more would be very unusual in my experience. What I'm saying is that if we agree that they are possible and if the burden of proof when calling bullshit is to have evidence to reject the individual claim at least on the balance of probabilities, then you haven't given any evidence to satisfy that burden. We seem to both acknowledge that the claim could be expected to be true in a number of outlying cases when we consider the relevant variables.

There are clearly enough people squishing around the world to assume that a handful of such outlying reports would appear online evidencing these kinds of yields, and that this is reasonably possible given the above. This doesn't mean that these yields should be touted as something that everyone can do, because obviously, if all of the above is true, then only few of us will ever see results like that in the right circumstances.

If large quantities of these claims from too many different individuals were observed online that suggested more than just outlying examples, from what we appear to agree on, we might be skeptical of the overall quantity of these claims. Still, when applying scientific methods to use of statistics, what I'm saying is that we cannot dismiss any individual claim to yields this high solely on the basis that this is unusual and should only be expected from statistical outliers. Individual claims may indeed be examples of such individual statistical outliers!

 

[invertedisdead]

I think its like hitting the lottery, I believe its happening but that it's just a random event from a really prime bud once in a while. I watched my buddy get a 25% return from my hair straightener plates in a bench vise on an old nug that had been laying around for a while so I don't think it's impossible. Just that you might get a good one once in a while.

Also, like "live resin" I think you can squeeze a little but more juice out from the higher terpene percentage in a fresher plant. Ive seen extracts test with 10% terpenes so that + 30% THC + other actives... maybe.

 

[herbivore21]

I think its like hitting the lottery, I believe its happening but that it's just a random event from a really prime bud once in a while. I watched my buddy get a 25% return from my hair straightener plates in a bench vise on an old nug that had been laying around for a while so I don't think it's impossible. Just that you might get a good one once in a while.

Also, like "live resin" I think you can squeeze a little but more juice out from the higher terpene percentage in a fresher plant. Ive seen extracts test with 10% terpenes so that + 30% THC + other actives... maybe.

Agreed, this view is very illustrative of what I'm saying above. Maybe not as rare as winning the lottery, but maybe as rewarding to the dab enthusiast

 

[miguelovic]

They knew they were making a bold claim. I see nothing to support it, nor did a quick browse of their FB and IG reveal anything but two posts of no substance.

But it was enough to see they lie in the 9/10.

That is not to say one can't make good rosin with their gear but that once you've squished a few lbs you probably know more than they do.

 

[invertedisdead]

Their main instagram got deleted a few days ago. They had a lot of squish videos.

 

[shredder]

I agree that yields of 30% or more would be very unusual in my experience. What I'm saying is that if we agree that they are possible and if the burden of proof when calling bullshit is to have evidence to reject the claim at least on the balance of probabilities, then you haven't given any evidence to satisfy that burden. We seem to both acknowledge that the claim could be true in a number of outlying cases.

There are clearly enough people squishing around the world to assume that a handful of such outlying reports would appear online evidencing these kinds of yields, and that this is reasonably possible given the above. This doesn't mean that these yields should be touted as something that everyone can do, because obviously, if all of the above is true, then only few of us will ever see results like that in the right circumstances.

If large quantities of these claims from too many different individuals were observed online that suggested more than just outlying examples, from what we appear to agree on, we might be skeptical of the overall quantity of these claims. Still, when applying scientific methods to use of statistics, what I'm saying is that we cannot dismiss any individual claim to yields this high solely on the basis that this is unusual and should only be expected from statistical outliers. Individual claims may indeed be examples of such individual statistical outliers!

I think 30+% is crazy high myself. As a long time grower, im used to over hyped products and internet claim, so m sceptical.

Once these presses are in use we should be hearing reviews and that should tell us more. And high yields don't nessasarily mean high quality.

And high thc does not equal a good experience either. I'm growing Jesus OG right now, a high thc strain. But even some of my experienced patients tap out on this one. It does yield nice rosin amounts, but it is in no way a happy time buzz because of the intensity. I personally would rather have a more balanced cannabinoid / terpenes experience.

 

[herbivore21]

And high thc does not equal a good experience either. I'm growing Jesus OG right now, a high thc strain. But even some of my experienced patients tap out on this one. It does yield nice rosin amounts, but it is in no way a happy time buzz because of the intensity. I personally would rather have a more balanced cannabinoid / terpenes experience.

Oh man you couldn't have more closely said what I think on the topic than this. High THC %'s are not all that they are cracked up to be. Gimme the high terps any day of the week.

Once these presses are in use we should be hearing reviews and that should tell us more. And high yields don't nessasarily mean high quality.

Couldn't agree more, also I think people that are thinking in terms of 'this press can yield this % and other presses yield these %'s' are looking at it in a very superficial way. How much flower is being pressed for example? You can get equally high yields from a hair straightener if you squish a small enough amount of bud with enough force as you would get with a larger amount of flower on a larger press. By the same token, there is very little value to a manufacturer saying that their press can achieve 30% yields, because like we all agree, most flower is not going to achieve that and again, 30% yields from how much flower? The percentage alone does not demonstrate what sets the press apart from other products.

To give any such comparison in a useful way, they should be pressing the same flower in different presses and recording the yields and providing all of that data for comparison.

 

[Hogni]

@NewVape710

Nice setup! Looks very well proceeded and engeneered.
A turnable (vertical-horizontal standing plates) I'm developing myself too. Much easier than turn the whole press for df.

 

[papig1]

Hi
I was just thinking to use my rosin plates to decarb my weed.
Anyone tried this? Should work, no?
What is the best way to do that? using paper and both plates?
Thanks

 

[MileHighHuman]

Hi
I was just thinking to use my rosin plates to decarb my weed.
Anyone tried this? Should work, no?
What is the best way to do that? using paper and both plates?
Thanks

No rosin chips are considered partially decarbed. So people making rosin, still have to throw the nugs in the oven to complete the decree process.

If your wanting to skip the oven process, you could vape them.

Hope this helps