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Bazinga
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Thank so very much for asking me to clarify my post. I am NOT in favor of ICE unless it's in my Marqarita. We can discuss ICE later. I was referring to the violence and destruction only. I believe I did mention in one of long winded posts that I thought that the military was brought in prematurely. There is your context.The entire context of this discussion is the military being brought in to LA. What did you mean by this if you weren't referring directly to the Marines and National Guard being sent to LA in response to people standing up to ICE? What other possible context could there be for this:
Well, I am responding here as a private citizen and i don't think anything Bazinga has said to me above is over the line anyway.
ACAB, including mods.
Vapviking - it doesn't matter if it's a moderator or poster. Stating something is a lie doesn't differentiate. I have shown emphatically what he said was untrue. Take my challenge and prove me wrong. You won't either. Because you can't. I have nothing against Grass. In fact, he has helped me with my posting issues. In doing that he has been nothing but helpful. He has been never been condescending up to now. If he going to criticize me he needs to be factual. He wasn’t. With this post he had the courtesy to ask me for clarification that I've provided. In fact, I have respect for the moderators as I imagine they are unpaid and have to put up with a lot of nonsense from posters (including me).
What does ACAB mean?
Grass - thanks again for allowing me provide the clarification. Thanks for not being confrontational.
As far as I'm concerned our prior posts relating to this post never happened.
My last post was made prior to seeing this one. No need to apologize. I appreciate your posts and discussions. Please don't stay away long.
Time for me to rattle Florduh`s cage - evil laugh here.
Oh rats. I just realized I posted back to pack.
You asked the question:
It absolutely was the government. It was ICE. Everything follows from that. The people of Los Angeles are defending themselves from the government (ICE).
Just to be clear, I think you are being disingenuous. I think you plainly know why the military was brought in, and who is responsible for the "riots". If not, that was why I recommended you turn off the right wing media.
It is a common acronym. Essentially it means that anyone working for the police, no matter their intentions, is acting for evil. There are no cops because the institution of policing is corrupt in its founding, organization, and daily function. To be a cop is to be complicit in gang style violence and destruction.
turk
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…pardon me if I submit a couple of points..the police are hired (in sf.) by a civil service commission. The police behave the way they do because that’s what the people who hire them want them to behave..it’s really that simple…the people on the civil service commission are there because they were appointed by the people we elect..to become a police officer you have to pass a series of exams (written test, physical exam…and then interviews…along with background checks etc)…Americans feel that the exam process identifies the “best candidates “…this is a false assumption…the purpose of the exams is to limit the applicant pool…there needs to be some accepted methodology to reduce candidates which eliminates or discourages litigation…thus the exams..the police will not change..until you change civil service commission…(good luck with that..I see no “political will” to do that)…
…interesting fact…the police are actually the most powerful union in this country..and they are not on my side..only ones even close to them in power..the sports athletes unions..(because Americans of all political/religious stripes love…to be entertained)…I add weed to this equation…it’s a form of entertainment…
..the police areen’t changing…don’t look for it..it’s not happening…you must address civil service and that’s definitely not happening…
…interesting fact…the police are actually the most powerful union in this country..and they are not on my side..only ones even close to them in power..the sports athletes unions..(because Americans of all political/religious stripes love…to be entertained)…I add weed to this equation…it’s a form of entertainment…
..the police areen’t changing…don’t look for it..it’s not happening…you must address civil service and that’s definitely not happening…
Bazinga
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You are absolutely wrong. I have to reason to be disingenuous. My comments had nothing to do with who came first. I'll take your word that ICE came first. I will state again I'm only referring to the violence and destruction caused by the unruly group. Businesses were looted, vehicles were set ablaze (haven't figured out why they burned Waymos), etc. And, more than likely it wasn't the folks who ICE was arresting committing these crimes. I have no issue with peaceful protests. I've been there. Certainly, you will continue to blame ICE. People are responsible for their own behavior. What would have happened if along with the violence the "peaceful" protestors robbed a bank. Would you still put the blame on the government and/or ice? I'd really like you to answer this.
Yes, I watch right wing media. But, I also watch media that leans to the left. How else would I be able to form an objective opinion without listening to both. Don't you do the same? If not, try it.
You and I can respectively disagree with your opinion of the police. I firmly believe the police need more training. Disrespecting the police claimihg that all police corrupt without proof is, I will borrow your word, is disingenuous.Want an eye opener? Take a ride with a cop. Spend the day with them.
Yes, I watch right wing media. But, I also watch media that leans to the left. How else would I be able to form an objective opinion without listening to both. Don't you do the same? If not, try it.
You and I can respectively disagree with your opinion of the police. I firmly believe the police need more training. Disrespecting the police claimihg that all police corrupt without proof is, I will borrow your word, is disingenuous.Want an eye opener? Take a ride with a cop. Spend the day with them.
This is why I said you are being disingenuous. You literally replied to a message where I quoted you saying:
Who came first? The government.
Stop changing your story. I only replied because you asked who attacked first: it was ICE.
I would happily disrespect any individual cop or the police as an institution. However I was merely stating historical facts. Policing was created out of existing slave patrols in the nineteenth century. They were converted to their current form in order to violently suppress the labor movement. They continued to rain down state violence on our communities as part of the war on drugs. Any claim of friendly policing or protecting individuals is ahistorical propaganda.
florduh
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From April, months before the protests
Waymo's Driverless Cars Revealed to Be Narcs as Cops Use Them to Probe Crimes
Footage from robotaxis is the newest data source for law enforcement.
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Bakin4Life
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Bazinga said:
What would have happened if along with the violence the "peaceful" protestors robbed a bank
Wait, what?
In what scenario does peaceful protesting (quote marks eliminated by necessity) result in... a bank robbery ?
By the protesters? Maybe by some third (or second!) party using it as cover for their own actions, because they knew of the date in advance. But even that's far-fetched. Bank robberies are rare. But you had to play the 'what-if' game, again. You're equating protests with riots / looting, and they are not the same thing.
As for 'second' party I mention above... I'll let you chew on that for a bit. LIHOP / MIHOP aren't fables. Actually, I'll say it overtly -- government agents acting as clandestine saboteurs (remember Minneapolis / George Floyd?) There are other myriad examples. Entire books have been written on them.
My friend... you are never, ever going to get this board to shift en masse with you to siding with LE / military, without question. Too many of us have been harmed firsthand by their nefarious actions (and, no, we didn't 'have it coming'.) Spend your energies on people who are deserving of empathy. LE has overwhelming firepower, the executive, and the courts behind them, with the media erecting pedestals for their collective worship. Cue Lee Greenwood.
Exactly *what* do 'we the people' have as our advocate, now? SCOTUS? They just gave away *more* power to the executive, knowing that they were the very last guardrail in place. We have no one except ourselves, and half of us fight the other half, while the 1/10th of 1% literally laugh at the plebes, who are so easily duped into working against their own best interests.
Thus, we have no CHOICE now, but to take mass public action, and see if TPTB decide, 'Fuck it... Tienanmen worked out just fine for the ruling party" Want to take bets as to whether we'll be fired on? I'm willing to cover any and *all* bets that we will be fired upon.
And the same result will be had from it -- nothing except increased compliance with a totalitarian state.
"Governments should fear their people, not the other way around."
What would have happened if along with the violence the "peaceful" protestors robbed a bank
Wait, what?
In what scenario does peaceful protesting (quote marks eliminated by necessity) result in... a bank robbery ?
By the protesters? Maybe by some third (or second!) party using it as cover for their own actions, because they knew of the date in advance. But even that's far-fetched. Bank robberies are rare. But you had to play the 'what-if' game, again. You're equating protests with riots / looting, and they are not the same thing.
As for 'second' party I mention above... I'll let you chew on that for a bit. LIHOP / MIHOP aren't fables. Actually, I'll say it overtly -- government agents acting as clandestine saboteurs (remember Minneapolis / George Floyd?) There are other myriad examples. Entire books have been written on them.
My friend... you are never, ever going to get this board to shift en masse with you to siding with LE / military, without question. Too many of us have been harmed firsthand by their nefarious actions (and, no, we didn't 'have it coming'.) Spend your energies on people who are deserving of empathy. LE has overwhelming firepower, the executive, and the courts behind them, with the media erecting pedestals for their collective worship. Cue Lee Greenwood.
Exactly *what* do 'we the people' have as our advocate, now? SCOTUS? They just gave away *more* power to the executive, knowing that they were the very last guardrail in place. We have no one except ourselves, and half of us fight the other half, while the 1/10th of 1% literally laugh at the plebes, who are so easily duped into working against their own best interests.
Thus, we have no CHOICE now, but to take mass public action, and see if TPTB decide, 'Fuck it... Tienanmen worked out just fine for the ruling party" Want to take bets as to whether we'll be fired on? I'm willing to cover any and *all* bets that we will be fired upon.
And the same result will be had from it -- nothing except increased compliance with a totalitarian state.
"Governments should fear their people, not the other way around."